Re: I am really worried &... (Catholic Church)

[Guest guest]

This is not the place to attack the Catholic church. I will be glad, privately,

to defend the history, etc, of the Catholic church, but since we should not take

over this chelation forum with something so OT, I feel the attack should not be

made here, since it would be wrong to spend forum time and space in response.

But this is my church, and I am tire of taking PC punches of it in the media,

etc.

>

> The Catholic church is occult, and it has perpetrated occult leadership for

> centuries. This polarizes a community into subordinating to occult leadership

> and the Rex, the mother of them being the Dionysians (Belgium, Whales and

> Switzerland). The recent Tucson shooting incident was a Dionysian

stage-managed

> child sacrifice ritual in the face of America, and these monsters culled the

> public into participating in it's meditative moment of silence afterward,

> meaning even this child's parents were unwittingly schmoozed into

participating

> in the sacrifice of their own child. Such is designed to create hysteria that

> networked SSO cohorts will use to attempt to formulate legislation directed at

> circumventing the 1st amendment, an oversight policy that was designed to

> protect us from the very people who are trying to take it away under cover of

US

> policy. This is an example of Dionysian subversion, and the sooner people

> figure this out the more capable we will be to rout them from the senate in

> 2012, regardless of their debauchery activities.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

>

> Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 8:24:20 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call

everyone's

> attention here to McCarthy's

>

>

> I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

> time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

> church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

> taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

> comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

> planets revolve around the sun. "

>

> Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

> him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

> under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

>

> He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

> research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

> si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

>

> They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

> trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

> now, and still the truth will not die.

>

> It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

> to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

> Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

> persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

> won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

> truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

> time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

> my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

> international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

> stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

> politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

> but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

> what is right.

>

> So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

> least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

> companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

> low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

> working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

> false gods, and many will fall down before them.

>

> Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

> Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

> drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

> one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

>

> If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

> companies, then that's worth something.

>

> My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

> still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

> medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

> " suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

> he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

> consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

> going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

> him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

> following night in his sleep.

>

> I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

> not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

> " retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

> something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

> pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

> sleep.

>

> Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

> other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

> unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

> giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

> stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

>

> How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

> have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

> over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

> the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

> boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

> immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

> stronger. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. The slander of the Catholic church really is not appropriate or on

topic for this list and I can't see where it contributes anything productive at

all to the discussion. Lots of people living with the kind of stress that list

members here have turn to religion to help make it through a very dark time in

their lives. They should feel comfortable posting here and not feel the need to

defend their religion.

For the record: I'm not religious and I have plenty of scathing opinions

related to religion, but this is completely not the place for something like

that.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

> >

> > The Catholic church is occult, and it has perpetrated occult leadership for

> > centuries. This polarizes a community into subordinating to occult

leadership

> > and the Rex, the mother of them being the Dionysians (Belgium, Whales and

> > Switzerland). The recent Tucson shooting incident was a Dionysian

stage-managed

> > child sacrifice ritual in the face of America, and these monsters culled the

> > public into participating in it's meditative moment of silence afterward,

> > meaning even this child's parents were unwittingly schmoozed into

participating

> > in the sacrifice of their own child. Such is designed to create hysteria

that

> > networked SSO cohorts will use to attempt to formulate legislation directed

at

> > circumventing the 1st amendment, an oversight policy that was designed to

> > protect us from the very people who are trying to take it away under cover

of US

> > policy. This is an example of Dionysian subversion, and the sooner people

> > figure this out the more capable we will be to rout them from the senate in

> > 2012, regardless of their debauchery activities.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@>

> >

> > Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 8:24:20 PM

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: I am really worried & want to call

everyone's

> > attention here to McCarthy's

> >

> >

> > I would like to state that in history, the leading governing power of the

> > time -- the Catholic Church, was extremely nasty to one Galileo. The

> > church taught that the planets revolved around the Earth. This is what they

> > taught everybody, and MOST of the population believed it. Then Galileo

> > comes along and says, " Wait a minute. It's not that way at all. The

> > planets revolve around the sun. "

> >

> > Good Lord! How dare he! They ordered him to shut up, thought about killing

> > him, indicted him for heresy, and he wound up spending the rest of his life

> > under house arrest, and his book was not allowed to be published.

> >

> > He died with the Catholic church still trying to discredit him and his

> > research. It is said that when he was being sentenced, he whispered, " Eppur

> > si muove. " --- " And yet it moves. "

> >

> > They could not in the end dispel the truth he had found. They have been

> > trying to dispel the truth that vaccines contribute to autism for many years

> > now, and still the truth will not die.

> >

> > It took the Catholic Church *400 years* to exonerate Galileo. They can try

> > to dispel the truth all they want. I believe in the end, the name of

> > Wakefield will be remember in a positive light, and those who have tried to

> > persecute him? No one will remember their names. It is just sad that we

> > won't be here to see it. They have to get past this generation before the

> > truth can be accepted. Why? Because, if the truth becomes accepted in a

> > time when these vaccines have been sold all over the world, it is not just

> > my claim or your claim, but thousands and thousands of domestic and

> > international lawsuits, and think of what that would do to the economy, the

> > stock market, the pockets of the drug makes who line the pockets of the

> > politicians. They will never concede the truth in our children's lifetimes,

> > but for us there is not other choice than to fight for the truth. That is

> > what is right.

> >

> > So if we can win people over to the truth one person at a time, then at

> > least there will be some children spared. Unfortunately, I believe drug

> > companies are Machiavellian. I believe if a drug company's profits sank too

> > low, they would themselves unleash some of that pandemic research they are

> > working on that would have people clamoring to them to " Save us. " They are

> > false gods, and many will fall down before them.

> >

> > Some day I even imagine there may well be a needle stuck a top the

> > Washington Monument for good measure. I laugh when I hear, " Don't do

> > drugs. " These companies sole goal is to have every human being addicted to

> > one or more of their drugs for the rest of their lives.

> >

> > If I can keep health and quality without being changed to doctors and drug

> > companies, then that's worth something.

> >

> > My father passed away suddenly four years ago. He was eighty four. He

> > still went to work the day before he died. His mind was sharp. He took no

> > medications I know of except for the two weeks before he died. I said,

> > " suddenly " because my dad assured me everything would be all right. He knew

> > he had developed , " a little heart problem, " and he told me he was going to

> > consult with a surgeon the following week. but I think he knew he was

> > going and there really was nothing they could do. because when I spoke with

> > him, he said he would rather die suddenly than to die slowly. He died the

> > following night in his sleep.

> >

> > I could not have borne it to see my father suffer through a long illness --

> > not a man as active and vibrant as he was. He did not believe in

> > " retirement. " he had fun and took more days off, but he loved working at

> > something. I am glad he did not have to be chained to taking eighteen

> > pills a day. I miss him like crazy, but I am glad he went peacefully in his

> > sleep.

> >

> > Each person has to decide for themselves whether to believe in vaccines or

> > other drugs. I believe in natural health. I don't like to take anything

> > unless I absolutely have to -- I mean synthetic drugs. I have a hard time

> > giving money to the people I believe poisoned my son. I wouldn't buy their

> > stock (not that I have any money with which to buy any).

> >

> > How can a profession --the medical mainstream concede the problems which

> > have arisen out of the over use of antibiotics not see the danger in the

> > over use of vaccines? It boggles the mind. In the long run, vaccines make

> > the human race much weaker as a whole. If the population can't get their

> > boosters for whatever reason, God help those who have not strengthened their

> > immune systems the way God intended. " That which doesn't kill us makes us

> > stronger. "

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hope you guys weren't jinking I was slandering the church. I was raised

Catholic, too, and I respect the church. I was just stating historical fact

regarding Galileo and did not mean it as a slander, just making the

correlation to how long it took for them to accept Galileo was right. The

Church at that time was THE governing body, so they were much like our

government today.

Any entity resists change. We like things comfortable and to stay the

same. It is human nature. it is often very hard to get the populous to

accept new idea.

AS far as the other post regarding the church. It was so FAR OUT there that

I just ignored it. Sometimes if you ignore people who like to engage in

fanatical prejudice, they go away.

I rely on my faith and prayer everyday!

[Guest guest]

I didn't. I felt your point was " new ideas are frequently not warmly welcomed,

even ideas that later earn great respect/acceptance " , basically. I thought the

post after that really went quite a stretch to use your remark as a jumping off

point for their views.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

> Hope you guys weren't jinking I was slandering the church.

[Guest guest]

Me too! it was so way out there that I just ignored it. Sometimes when

people do that, they are just baiting other people. Thanks.