Chronic Fatigue

[Guest guest]

, I eliminated my Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia in 2 months

taking some supplements that one of my clients told me about. My doctor

can't believe it's gone...neither can I! But I just kayaked the river for 6

1/2 miles and never got sore or tired or hurt.....plus I just planted...all

by myself, while my husband was sleeping...a 20' aspen tree...I dug the

hole, pushed rocks out of the way, manhandled it into the hole and built a

berm for it all without pain or soreness. The QX confirms the change in my

health. I have always had skewed varhope readings and high numbers in

matrix. Now, my varhope scores are so normal, my ph is balanced and I

hardly ever show any red in the matrix anymore and the numbers are all very

low....like 105. Please contact me if you want more information. I've used

the QX for 3 years to keep me healthy as I could, but it was never enough.

www.advancedbiofeedback.com

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Hi ,

Would be very interested to know what you took for your chronic fatigue!

Re:chronic fatigue

, I eliminated my Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia in 2 months

taking some supplements that one of my clients told me about. My doctor

can't believe it's gone...neither can I! But I just kayaked the river for 6

1/2 miles and never got sore or tired or hurt.....plus I just planted...all

by myself, while my husband was sleeping...a 20' aspen tree...I dug the

hole, pushed rocks out of the way, manhandled it into the hole and built a

berm for it all without pain or soreness. The QX confirms the change in my

health. I have always had skewed varhope readings and high numbers in

matrix. Now, my varhope scores are so normal, my ph is balanced and I

hardly ever show any red in the matrix anymore and the numbers are all very

low....like 105. Please contact me if you want more information. I've used

the QX for 3 years to keep me healthy as I could, but it was never enough.

www.advancedbiofeedback.com

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[Guest guest]

An important part of my getting thru chronic fatigue was amino acids

-- ALL BASIC MONTIFF a good one. They perked me right up after years

of fatigue and toxicity -- check out www.thewayup.com. Dr. Priscilla

Slagle has her book THE WAY UP FROM DOWN on her site (it's out of

print now and worth reading for depression which accompanies chronic

fatigue). is Rotella, M.Ac., Arnold, Md.

> Hi ,

> Would be very interested to know what you took for your chronic fatigue!

>

> Re:chronic fatigue

>

>

> , I eliminated my Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia in 2 months

> taking some supplements that one of my clients told me about. My doctor

> can't believe it's gone...neither can I! But I just kayaked the

river for 6

> 1/2 miles and never got sore or tired or hurt.....plus I just

planted...all

> by myself, while my husband was sleeping...a 20' aspen tree...I dug the

> hole, pushed rocks out of the way, manhandled it into the hole and

built a

> berm for it all without pain or soreness. The QX confirms the

change in my

> health. I have always had skewed varhope readings and high numbers in

> matrix. Now, my varhope scores are so normal, my ph is balanced and I

> hardly ever show any red in the matrix anymore and the numbers are

all very

> low....like 105. Please contact me if you want more information.

I've used

> the QX for 3 years to keep me healthy as I could, but it was never

enough.

> www.advancedbiofeedback.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ............................................

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I did... In 1990....then again in 1994

-- [ ] chronic fatigue

anybody have chronic fatigue diagnoses and severe anxiety and found it

was lyme disease?

eric

[Guest guest]

> anybody have chronic fatigue diagnoses and severe anxiety and found it

> was lyme disease?

Yes'm also had Lupus, Mono, Arrythmias, arthritis, Fibro and 'possible'

MS all were Lyme

[Guest guest]

chronic fatigue syndrome...Yes; severe anxiety...No

Laureen

>anybody have chronic fatigue diagnoses and severe anxiety and found it

>was lyme disease?

>eric

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, yes, yes---CFS dx and/or anxiety turns out to be Lyme-- I think we're

up to nine out of ten of our CFS support group members who have tested

positive by Igenex for Borrelia. The one " negative " would probably be a

positive on the antibiotic challenge urine test.

I don't think any of them have found an Oregon doc who's willing to treat.

Two went to Texas, one is following the Marshall Protocol with the help of

another out-of-state doctor, some have gone to California or aren't yet

being treated. I don't mind telling you that Oregon Health Sciences

University in Portland (the state's largest medical institution...and

teacher of our next generation of doctors) tells one patient after another

that they can't possibly have Lyme. They claim Oregon doesn't have

ticks-which we do! Also, they fail to acknowledge that borrelia can be

passed any other way. People are being underserved-not to mention demeaned

and discouraged in their fruitless effort to find quality care. Many

speculate (some in the know about such things) that the fact that Oregon is

home to some powerful HMO's and medical insurance companies. It doesn't

help that forestry is a huge industry here. You can be sure they don't want

us to be a " Lyme " state because of what it'll cost in medical insurance

premiums for their employees.

Now, aren't you glad you asked a simple little question??? You happened to

hit one of my hotspots. (smile...) Elaine

anybody have chronic fatigue diagnoses and severe anxiety and found it

was lyme disease?

eric

[Guest guest]

...I was told (by my ex-doctor) that I had CMV (cytomegalovirus - which is

very similar to CFS) in 2001 / 2002. I had all of the symptoms then that I

still have today. I saw a neurologist this summer for my RLS (restless leg

syndrome) - yes, I also have RLS - had it since early childhood. Anyway, the

neurologist reviewed my CMV tests and told me that I do NOT have CMV and did not

have CMV in 2001. A few months later I was given a WB Lyme test - which came

back abnormal (but still didn't meet the CDC requirements for reporting).

That's when the red flags went up and I started doing Lyme research - Shazam -

it all clicked. The more research I do, the more I realize that Lyme has been

creating most of my health issues for the past 3+ years (chronic sinus

infections, major fatigue, stiff / painful knees, etc.). FYI, my family doctor

refilled my doxycycline at 8:30 PM last night, but I didn't pick it up because I

started feeling better around 5 PM yesterday - after 6 days + of major flu

symptoms (herxing?). It's been an adventure, and I have a feeling that it's

just beginning (since I haven't even seen a Lyme specialist yet)! One day at a

time...Tom

RE: [ ] chronic fatigue

Yes, yes, yes---CFS dx and/or anxiety turns out to be Lyme-- I think we're

up to nine out of ten of our CFS support group members who have tested

positive by Igenex for Borrelia. The one " negative " would probably be a

positive on the antibiotic challenge urine test.

I don't think any of them have found an Oregon doc who's willing to treat.

Two went to Texas, one is following the Marshall Protocol with the help of

another out-of-state doctor, some have gone to California or aren't yet

being treated. I don't mind telling you that Oregon Health Sciences

University in Portland (the state's largest medical institution...and

teacher of our next generation of doctors) tells one patient after another

that they can't possibly have Lyme. They claim Oregon doesn't have

ticks-which we do! Also, they fail to acknowledge that borrelia can be

passed any other way. People are being underserved-not to mention demeaned

and discouraged in their fruitless effort to find quality care. Many

speculate (some in the know about such things) that the fact that Oregon is

home to some powerful HMO's and medical insurance companies. It doesn't

help that forestry is a huge industry here. You can be sure they don't want

us to be a " Lyme " state because of what it'll cost in medical insurance

premiums for their employees.

Now, aren't you glad you asked a simple little question??? You happened to

hit one of my hotspots. (smile...) Elaine

anybody have chronic fatigue diagnoses and severe anxiety and found it

was lyme disease?

eric

[Guest guest]

<<<anybody have chronic fatigue diagnoses and severe anxiety and found it

was lyme disease?>>>>

Yes, CFS, FMS, Anxiety, Depression, Sarcoidosis. PLMS (of which I really

have)

Conniek nwnj

[Guest guest]

I had " chronic fatigue " but no anxiety since the late 1980s, and I had a

positive Bowen test a few months ago. Absolutely, there's plenty of Lyme

in Oregon. I lived in the Medford area for 17 years before recently

moving to Texas. A friend of mine, a vet, says she treats dogs for Lyme

" all the time. " We lived in the woods for a few years, which is where I

was when I got the tick bite.

And don't even get me started on OHSU. They were responsible for one of

those medical horror stories you hear about when they treated my brother

for a non-malignant brain tumor. He'll never be the same. I think their

specialty is being a major regional trauma center. . . (certainly not

Lyme).

Dana B.

>>Yes, yes, yes---CFS dx and/or anxiety turns out to be Lyme-- I think

we're

up to nine out of ten of our CFS support group members who have tested

positive by Igenex for Borrelia. The one " negative " would probably be a

positive on the antibiotic challenge urine test.

I don't think any of them have found an Oregon doc who's willing to

treat.

Two went to Texas, one is following the Marshall Protocol with the help

of

another out-of-state doctor, some have gone to California or aren't yet

being treated. I don't mind telling you that Oregon Health Sciences

University in Portland (the state's largest medical institution...and

teacher of our next generation of doctors) tells one patient after

another

that they can't possibly have Lyme. They claim Oregon doesn't have

ticks-which we do! Also, they fail to acknowledge that borrelia can be

passed any other way. People are being underserved-not to mention

demeaned

and discouraged in their fruitless effort to find quality care. Many

speculate (some in the know about such things) that the fact that Oregon

is

home to some powerful HMO's and medical insurance companies. It doesn't

help that forestry is a huge industry here. You can be sure they don't

want

us to be a " Lyme " state because of what it'll cost in medical insurance

premiums for their employees.

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[Guest guest]

He could have an infection of Lyme who knows. I talked with a man for an

hour who lives in Conn. who told me his life's mission (he was an Investment

Trader on Wall Street) is to go into psych hospitals and make sure doctors test

for neuorologic Lyme, that some patients may have slipped through and not

know that's what they really have and deserve to be at least tested if have

symptoms. He's a lay person-he's driven lLyme moved in and affected his

family-it in turn affected him motivating him to try to help others.

I don't know much-I'm trying to learn-I do know I think this-if someone on

here once said syphilis is similar to Lyme, and that Lyme was stronger-well

didn't syphilis cause terrible mental problems in some people left untreated?

I'm trying to learn as you all are.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth, I'll vote for Lyme. If he hasn't been tested, he

should be thru Igenex Lab or Bowen Lab. If the doc his folks have lined up

is really knowledgeable, he's moving into a good phase of this journey.

From: eric_s11050 [mailto:eric_s11050@...]

Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:26 PM

I have a friend who has bin ill for 14 years with devastating fatigue,

he has a disorder where he does not want to leave the house and sits

isolated in his own house, his parents have been dealing with this for

years. he has a doctors appointment with one of the foremost doctors

on leuro lyme

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I think that Tamara Lorensen looked at EEG signatures for CFS in her Masters Thesis. I'm not sure of the outcome, but have a feeling there might have been something in the Journal of Neurotherapy.

Mark Darling

chronic fatigue

Hi Pete, and folks

I have just seen a client (and done a TLC) who has many

presenting problems, but the one concerning her most at

present is CFS.

Is there a signature for CFS, and are there any protocols

that have been found to be helpful.

This lady has been suffering greatly, and I would love to

be able to make a difference.

Thanks in advance,

Jan Osgood

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Chronic Fatigue is usually a really wound up ANS (long-term Tone issues), so it

can be related to any of the various strategies for dealing with Tone. Look for

them in the order you normally would follow and try training each in that order.

Remember with this kind of client you will want to address possible secondary

gain issues by helping the client find a way to take some control of her own

life, reducing incoming stress by 10% is what I aim for. Use technologies

(breathing or heart-rate variability) to begin impacting the parasympathetic

tone. And test the hypotheses for which cortical strategy she is using to

protect against/lock in the subcortical drive issues.

One thing I would look for is potentially very high alpha, either with eyes open

or closed, which often goes along with chronic fatigue or chronic pain

syndromes.

Pete

>

> From: " Jan Osgood " <josgood@...>

> Date: 2005/04/15 Fri AM 02:27:44 EDT

> < >

> Subject: chronic fatigue

>

> Hi Pete, and folks

> I have just seen a client (and done a TLC) who has many

> presenting problems, but the one concerning her most at

> present is CFS.

>

> Is there a signature for CFS, and are there any protocols

> that have been found to be helpful.

>

> This lady has been suffering greatly, and I would love to

> be able to make a difference.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Jan Osgood

>

>

Van Deusen

http://www.brain-trainer.com

16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157

305/251-0337 or (cellular) 305/321-1595

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete,

I'm planning to introduce her to HRV next time I see her. her stress is huge

but self generating. Out of proportion to her life events.

Jan

chronic fatigue

> >

> > Hi Pete, and folks

> > I have just seen a client (and done a TLC) who has many

> > presenting problems, but the one concerning her most at

> > present is CFS.

> >

> > Is there a signature for CFS, and are there any protocols

> > that have been found to be helpful.

> >

> > This lady has been suffering greatly, and I would love to

> > be able to make a difference.

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Jan Osgood

> >

> >

>

> Van Deusen

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> 16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157

> 305/251-0337 or (cellular) 305/321-1595

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

It usually is.

Pete

>

> From: " Jan Osgood " <josgood@...>

> Date: 2005/04/17 Sun PM 02:53:29 EDT

> < >

> Subject: Re: chronic fatigue

>

> Thanks Pete,

I'm planning to introduce her to HRV next time I see her. her stress is huge

but self generating. Out of proportion to her life events.

Jan

[Guest guest]

It may / may not be an infection. If it is, the only place people have

not tried is the skull..or at least did not report trying it. I've not

been convinced that it's microbial, but does not rule it out.

bG

>

> Any ideas for applying Godzilla for chronic fatigue?

>

> There does not seem to be a focus of infection.

>

>

>

> Marge

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All

I am a new and very excited EPFX practitioner as well as a homeopath

and an RMT, however I have chronic fatigue syndrome and I did a search

here and found the topics regarding the product 'Stem Enhance " . It

sounds like something I would definitely be interested in trying. My

questions are, who do I contact, as I am located here in Toronto

Canada to purchase this product? Also, I am just curious to know if

this is in any way similar to the ''s Stem Cell Stimulator'? Has

anyone ever tried both and had more success with one or the other?

Please understand that this message is intended in no way to undermine

anyone's product line as I am certain that they are all excellent. I

only write in consideration of being a busy mom with a young and very

active son who needs some help.

Thanks for any input

Sincerely,

BT

[Guest guest]

i am also interested in selling the stemcells but live in australia.

Does anyone know about their availability?

On May 0520072005, at 9:22 AM, btrentadue wrote:

> Hi All

> I am a new and very excited EPFX practitioner as well as a homeopath

> and an RMT, however I have chronic fatigue syndrome and I did a search

> here and found the topics regarding the product 'Stem Enhance " . It

> sounds like something I would definitely be interested in trying. My

> questions are, who do I contact, as I am located here in Toronto

> Canada to purchase this product? Also, I am just curious to know if

> this is in any way similar to the ''s Stem Cell Stimulator'? Has

> anyone ever tried both and had more success with one or the other?

> Please understand that this message is intended in no way to undermine

> anyone's product line as I am certain that they are all excellent. I

> only write in consideration of being a busy mom with a young and very

> active son who needs some help.

> Thanks for any input

> Sincerely,

> BT

>

>

Clear Temple Healing

Fiona House

PO Box 124

Aldgate 5155

South Australia

[Guest guest]

Hello BT.

I am a StemEnhance distributor. I can give you all the information you wish. Just send me an email at: stemcells4u@...

It really is an amazing product.

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[Guest guest]

i am also - and i already forwarded my info to BT

sometime ago. gail

--- Body Speak <bodyspeak@...> wrote:

> Hello BT.

>

> I am a StemEnhance distributor. I can give you all

> the information you wish

> Just send me an email at: stemcells4u@...

> It really is an amazing product.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks for the link.

There seems to be common agreement amongst CFS experts on the need to

help the thyroid, adrenals and supplement high levels of Vitamin C,

B's, Magnesium and CoQ10. Only by addressing these areas will the

symptoms of CFS go away.

cheers

paul

[Guest guest]

Absolutely - but WHY oh WHY don't doctors know this? It just is so much common sense!

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila,Thanks for the link. There seems to be common agreement amongst CFS experts on the need tohelp the thyroid, adrenals and supplement high levels of Vitamin C,B's, Magnesium and CoQ10. Only by addressing these areas will thesymptoms of CFS go away.cheerspaul

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>

> Absolutely - but WHY oh WHY don't doctors know this? It just

is so much common sense!

I can't speak for current medical wisdom, but when I went down with

ME nineteen years ago (BEFORE I spent several years working in a lab

with daily organophosphates, there's the irony) ME wasn't known. It

slowly became more mainstream and from reading the occasional

newspaper article about yuppie flu, as it was then called, I

gradually realised that was what I had. No help was forthcoming

though - every time I levered myself off my bed to see a doctor I was

given a pregnancy test and told I looked the picture of health.

Cut to several years later, when I was hospitalised for severe

depression. There was a girl on the ward called ; such a

sweet child. She was only seventeen years old so had no say in her

treatment. Her parents made the decisions and she had no choice. So

she was in a psychiatric ward. She was practically bed-bound with

severe fatigue and had terrible asthma and infected eczema.. not a

well girl at all. She had been feeling so ill, and felt worse

whenever she ate so stopped eating, and had an anorexic label slapped

on her. The hospital treated her health problems as a psychiatric

condition and completely ignored her physical condition, apart from

imposing conditions on her that made it all worse. They insisted she

ate a salad sandwich for lunch and a yoghurt for tea, never mind it

made her feel so much worse. Wheat and dairy forced on her every day

when she *knew* these made her feel ill. And they made her walk all

the way to the day room every day, which prostrated her for the rest

of the day. I doubt whether anyone ever tested her adrenals or

thyroid or investigated her for candida or for food intolerances. I

suspect not, as they were convinced it was all in her attitude.

Wherever she is now, I hope she has survived and will write a book

about it all.

If checking hormone levels and supplementing with various keys things

is now the approach du jour, common sense it may be, but it is a sea-

change compared with fifteen years ago.

Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

Oh Rosie - what a very sad story, and like you, I too hope she finally got a correct diagnosis and treatment. In the old days, they used to put such people in the work-house and leave them there until they eventually died. We have come a long way, and hope we will carry on improving how doctors reach a diagnosis and treat.

Luv - Sheila

>> Absolutely - but WHY oh WHY don't doctors know this? It just is so much common sense!I can't speak for current medical wisdom, but when I went down with ME nineteen years ago (BEFORE I spent several years working in a lab with daily organophosphates, there's the irony) ME wasn't known. It slowly became more mainstream and from reading the occasional newspaper article about yuppie flu, as it was then called, I gradually realised that was what I had. No help was forthcoming though - every time I levered myself off my bed to see a doctor I was given a pregnancy test and told I looked the picture of health.Cut to several years later, when I was hospitalised for severe depression. There was a girl on the ward called ; such a sweet child. She was only seventeen years old so had no say in her treatment. Her parents made the decisions and she had no choice. So she was in a psychiatric ward. She was practically bed-bound with severe fatigue and had terrible asthma and infected eczema.. not a well girl at all. She had been feeling so ill, and felt worse whenever she ate so stopped eating, and had an anorexic label slapped on her. The hospital treated her health problems as a psychiatric condition and completely ignored her physical condition, apart from imposing conditions on her that made it all worse. They insisted she ate a salad sandwich for lunch and a yoghurt for tea, never mind it made her feel so much worse. Wheat and dairy forced on her every day when she *knew* these made her feel ill. And they made her walk all the way to the day room every day, which prostrated her for the rest of the day. I doubt whether anyone ever tested her adrenals or thyroid or investigated her for candida or for food intolerances. I suspect not, as they were convinced it was all in her attitude.Wherever she is now, I hope she has survived and will write a book about it all.If checking hormone levels and supplementing with various keys things is now the approach du jour, common sense it may be, but it is a sea-change compared with fifteen years ago.Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.Rosie

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