Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Actually Armour, naturethroid etc are from pigs. Gracia > BR, just a thought..... Armour is made from cattle, it is bovine thyroid > gland... if that makes a difference as far as one's religious beliefs are > concerned. I think Nature-Throid is also made from cow's thyroid. I'm not > sure if there are any sources of natural thyroid replacement that aren't. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 it sounds as though you are having an addisons crisis all on your own - this could be due to fluctuating cortisol levels and you might be just about to crash badly again - have you been overdong it lately or had more stress than usual? Kerry Re: Re: adrenal support Hi Sorry to trouble you again. After I sent the last post, I read further down these messages, and the list of this to notify GP about with long term H/C treatment. I ve listed the symtoms out of the list that I have without having used H/C for over two years. Appearance of Moon Face ( I can hardly see, because of the amount my eye area is puffed up Enlargement of some fat pads The appearance of fat in the mid section Adnormal fat around back of neck (below hairline) General Obesity put on around 6 stone in past 5 years Muscle weakness Not had blood pressure taken for a while No sugar although I shake and feel faint quite often then have to eat to feel better Easy of spontaneous bruising any ideas would be greatly appreciated Gail Re: Re: adrenal support If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 6 drops of Lugol's in a glass of chocolate milk. Now I take it in the morning and at night. --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > Mike, how are you taking the Lugol's, what dose? > > > > > Re: Re: adrenal support > > > > Speaking of Iodine, I just started taking Lugol's > > Iodine everyday. I have noticed a calming effect. > I'm > > also taking Armour at 1.5 grain daily. > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Hi Bev Im new to this site, but was very interested to read on a previous thread that you had cushings syndrome. Potted history, neglected thyroid function for years, CFS, Over the past couple of years been self medicating, had nightmare times with Thyroxine, with Armour Thyroid 2.1./2 grains. About 8 weeks ago I began to start going downhill, then 6 six weeks ago had wisdom tooth removed, need I say more. 2 weeks ago, had bloods tests done via NPTech last weeks results Free T3 6.2 Free T4 17.0 TSH < 0.005 Temp is OK between 36.5 - 36.7 each morning All seems well, but not so, I had a look at a couple of cushings site, on one is a diagram and symptoms, and it looks just like I do, including symptoms. On one of the sites was a list of symtoms. Out of 17 I have 12, would be 13 be I had a hysterectomy in 1988, aged 32 yrs. I have a salivery test as home, from NPTech which I intend to do on Monday, is this test enough, and if it comes back with high level cotisol what should I do next, as after having a couple of really bad times with the endo and my local hospital, he's out of the question, Any advice would be gratefully accepted bye gail Re: Re: adrenal support Hi Gracia, What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just make you feel better? thanks Bev Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed ALL adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good effects right away, certainly within a week. Gracia > Hi Gracia! > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > BR > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal glands. > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses of > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > Gracia > > > >> Hi ! > >> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds for > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > >> ordinary > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > >> > >> Please clarifiy me. > >> > >> B.R. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Hi I dont think Ive been overdoing it, I started to go downhill around the beg. April, then I had a wisdom tooth + some bone removed at the end of April,pain pain pain. Since then I just seemed to have ground to a halt. You mention having an addisons crisis, Im confused (doesnt take much) could all my symtoms be caused by lack of cortisol and well as too much Thanks Gail Re: Re: adrenal support If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 adrenaline is the accelerator and cortisol is the brakes. Rapid heartbeat and pulse are a symptom of needing cortisol. Gracia > I'm confused....in this post, LaCretia said by taking Cortef, you are > basically > giving yourself " adrenalyn " ....it is my understanding that > adrenaline(Epinephrine) > and Hyrodrocortisone are two entirely different things, produced in different > areas > of the adrenal gland...Epinephrine, being the hormone responsible for > dilating blood > vessels, as to give us more oxygen during times of stress..and hyrocortisone, > being the hormone that regulates the use of our food energy, and also helps us > recover from the initial stimulation of the Epinephrine by basically bringing > us > back " down " ... > Did I miss something? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 The problem here is the improper use of steroids, promoted by drug companies, and why Jefferies MD wrote the book Safe Uses of Cortisol. Empyhesema/bronchitis are symptoms of adrenal insufficiency, best treated with low dose cortisol and other hormones (estrogen and progesterone etc.) Docs do not use bio-identical hormones, there just is no money to be made from bio-identicals since they can't be patented. Drug companies make $$$$ off of synthetics. This is crisis medicine tratment, with it's vicious cycle. No wonder we hear all the scary things about steroids. I quite agree---when they are used wrong they are dangerous. Gracia http://www.fudgedesign.co.uk/tuk/faq.htm#q29 http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm > LaCretia, > > > A therapeutic dosage is going to be higher than a replacement dosage. The > goal of replacement dosage is to achieve a normal level of hormone in the > body, to replace what the body is not making or utilizing properly. > > A therapeutic dosage is a dose given over and above the body's normal levels > to effect a treatment response. My mother, for example, has emphysema and > right now is battling bronchitis. The doctor put her on a therapeutic > dosage schedule of 60 mg a day for several days, and then will be decreasing > it by 10 mg a day for a few weeks, until she is tapered to nothing. > > The reason this is done is because when people are receiving high doses of > cortisol/steroids and have normally-functioning adrenal glands, the adrenals > will stop producing coritsol in the interim, as the body's feedback > mechanism senses there is a lot of cortisone in the system and so tells the > adrenals not to make any more. As the level of cortisone (or prednisone, > etc.) is decreased gradually, the body's mechanism detects the lower levels > and tells the adrenals to start making a little more. Gradually as the > therapeutic dosage is reduced, the adrenals increase their production, so > when the medication is stopped, the adrenals will be at their normal full > production rate. > > If the medication is stopped abruptly at a high dose, they will end up with > inadequate amounts of cortisol in their system because the adrenals > basically have been on vacation during this time and they don't kick right > back in, it takes them some time to gear up production, and so the person > will end up having symptoms of hypo adrenal function...which can even be a > crisis situation in some. > > Keep in mind that all of this pertains to normally functioning adrenal > glands - if a person has lost adrenal function and are perpetually hypo > adrenal, that is a different situation and they will always need replacement > hormone. > > I will say that 20 mg four times a day sounds very high to me, even for > therapeutic dosages.... but there is such a tremendous variation among > individuals, from size to metabolism to every other parameter. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 HI Gail, The salivery test that is done at home, do you send it away for lab results? Bev darren ashmore <dashngail@...> wrote: Hi Bev Im new to this site, but was very interested to read on a previous thread that you had cushings syndrome. Potted history, neglected thyroid function for years, CFS, Over the past couple of years been self medicating, had nightmare times with Thyroxine, with Armour Thyroid 2.1./2 grains. About 8 weeks ago I began to start going downhill, then 6 six weeks ago had wisdom tooth removed, need I say more. 2 weeks ago, had bloods tests done via NPTech last weeks results Free T3 6.2 Free T4 17.0 TSH < 0.005 Temp is OK between 36.5 - 36.7 each morning All seems well, but not so, I had a look at a couple of cushings site, on one is a diagram and symptoms, and it looks just like I do, including symptoms. On one of the sites was a list of symtoms. Out of 17 I have 12, would be 13 be I had a hysterectomy in 1988, aged 32 yrs. I have a salivery test as home, from NPTech which I intend to do on Monday, is this test enough, and if it comes back with high level cotisol what should I do next, as after having a couple of really bad times with the endo and my local hospital, he's out of the question, Any advice would be gratefully accepted bye gail Re: Re: adrenal support > > > > --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 This sounds like a really bad situation. You need to find a competent doc for sure. High T3 only means that it is not getting into the cells. I think you might feel better with some DHEA too. Where do you live and how old are you? Gracia > Hi > After reading your last post, I've just had a look at a cushings site. > A few years ago I had a syacthen (excuse spelling) to which I was called back urgently to the hospital, for what I now think was a cortisone injection, then told to go home. After looking at this site, I am still not sure whether I have this. My life is a nightmare, a few weeks ago I started to become very ill again, no energy, no interest and blowing up. My face, neck and abdomin is huge, to the extent that my back is hurting very much because of the weight of my abdomin. My husband and I have just looked at the photographs on the site, and they look just like me. > I am so desperate for some help. I remember vaguely when I have the syacthen test someone saying it wasnt very good, is this true, if so what test should I have. > I gave up with Endo. quite a while ago, and have been self medicating with Armour Thyroid for around 18 months and been OK. but the story has now changed massively. Last week my blood results showed that my T3 was up, and I felt like I was dying, so I stopped the meds. and I must admit I do feel different, but still ill. I have been taking H/C for the past few days. > > > Bye > Gail > Re: Re: adrenal support > > > If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. > Bev > > LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too > quickly... hope this helps. > > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids > > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients > have no, or only minor, side effects. > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: > > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): > Appearance of " moonface " > Enlargement of some fat pad areas > The appearance of fat in the midsection > Abnormal fat deposits > General obesity > Muscle wasting and weakness > High blood pressure > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) > Osteoporosis > Thinning of skin > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: > Nausea > Fatigue > Loss of appetite > Difficulty breathing > Lowered blood pressure > Joint and muscle aches > Fever > Dizziness > Fainting > General body discomfort > Digestive tract problems: > Nausea > Vomiting > Increased appetite > Weight gain > Indigestion or heartburn > Bloating > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) > Peptic ulcer > Stomach pain > Rectal bleeding > Local pain or burning with enemas > CNS (central nervous system) problems: > Convulsions or seizures > Increased pressure in the brain > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion > Headache > Behavior changes > Sleeplessness > Hiccups > Mood swings > Depression > Psychotic manifestations > Clumsiness > Exaggerated sense of well being > Circulatory system problems: > Heart failure > High blood pressure > Thrombosis (clot formation) > Skin changes: > Impaired wound healing > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin > Changes in pigmentation of skin > Acne > Excessive body hair growth > Rash or hives > Easy or spontaneous bruising > Facial flushing > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations > Increased sweating (very common) > Other changes or problems: > Salt and water retention > Potassium loss > General body discomfort > Abnormally low calcium > Muscle weakness > Loss of muscle mass > Bone density loss > Bone fractures > Menstrual irregularities (women) > Growth suppression (children) > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance > Increased blood sugar levels > Cataracts > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure > Bulging eyes > Aggravation or masking of an infection > Rare instances of blindness > Tendon rupture > Suppressed reaction to skin tests > Kaposi's sarcoma > Hip or shoulder bone degradation > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness > Muscle twitching > Exaggerated rapid eye movement > > > > > >Hi Gracia, > >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just > >make you feel better? > >thanks > >Bev > > > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high > >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed > >ALL > >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc > >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very > >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in > >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, > >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I > >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he > >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good > >effects right away, certainly within a week. > >Gracia > > > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > > > BR > > > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > >glands. > > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses > >of > > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > > Gracia > > > > > > > >> Hi ! > > > >> > > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds > >for > > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > > >> ordinary > > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > > >> > > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > > >> > > > >> B.R. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Gail - as far as I understand it the cycle with cortisol is that it goes up very dramatically before it bottoms out in extreme adrenal fatigue - I think we have all been at many points on that continuum at different times - some with worse symptoms than others - this is just my opinion based on some reading I have done from Dr lee and others. I would say the wisdom tooth is the factor here - your gum might have been infected and the stress your body is going through to fight it or keep it under control could be what is causing your problems. If you resonate with this you might want to load up on vitamin C and some antioxidants and immune support to help your system deal with the shock. IMO I had severe after effects when I had my last lot of amalgams removed and at the same time I had my front teeth re-capped - too much stress for my exhausted adrenals but I just didn't know it at the time. Kerry Re: Re: adrenal support Hi I dont think Ive been overdoing it, I started to go downhill around the beg. April, then I had a wisdom tooth + some bone removed at the end of April,pain pain pain. Since then I just seemed to have ground to a halt. You mention having an addisons crisis, Im confused (doesnt take much) could all my symtoms be caused by lack of cortisol and well as too much Thanks Gail Re: Re: adrenal support If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Yes the salivery test kit is from NPtech. Im going to do it tomorrow. My husband is just downloading a photography taken this morning, hopefully I could post to the site for ideas. Do you know if this is acceptable I just dont look like me at all, can hardly move my neck so full and stiff. Re: Re: adrenal support > > > > --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi So the fact that I look like someone with cushings, it could be that my cortisol levels are so high to keep me going, then if I understand they just crash. Next question what actually happens then Thanks Gail Re: Re: adrenal support If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Im doing an adrenal profile salivary test tomorrow. Im also going to speak to a well known Dr. who is on our side, on Tuesday evening, the Endo consultant in my area is Prof. Weatman, and Ive had dealings with him, all to which came to nothing. I live in Sheffield and am 49 yrs. old. I actually started being ill in 1988, but for years dr.s said I was depressed, Yes OK. and have tried all sorts, I really thought that feeling well for quite a while now, that I have cracked it. I had a hysterectomy in 1988 and spent some time with the Dr.s giving me HRT nothing worked only. In the end I took all the empty and half emtpy packets to the consultant and told him, if he thought these products were so good then it might be best if he took them himself, (I had a good relationship with him, so we were still friends after) Ive included a photo taken this morning and I look nothing like I did only 2 weeks ago, and it gets worse daily. Someone on another site has said that at one time she was displaying both Cushing and symtoms. I waiting for a reply as to the ins and outs of this and how she managed it. Thanks for your reply Bye for now Gail Re: Re: adrenal support > > > If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. > Bev > > LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too > quickly... hope this helps. > > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids > > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients > have no, or only minor, side effects. > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: > > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): > Appearance of " moonface " > Enlargement of some fat pad areas > The appearance of fat in the midsection > Abnormal fat deposits > General obesity > Muscle wasting and weakness > High blood pressure > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) > Osteoporosis > Thinning of skin > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: > Nausea > Fatigue > Loss of appetite > Difficulty breathing > Lowered blood pressure > Joint and muscle aches > Fever > Dizziness > Fainting > General body discomfort > Digestive tract problems: > Nausea > Vomiting > Increased appetite > Weight gain > Indigestion or heartburn > Bloating > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) > Peptic ulcer > Stomach pain > Rectal bleeding > Local pain or burning with enemas > CNS (central nervous system) problems: > Convulsions or seizures > Increased pressure in the brain > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion > Headache > Behavior changes > Sleeplessness > Hiccups > Mood swings > Depression > Psychotic manifestations > Clumsiness > Exaggerated sense of well being > Circulatory system problems: > Heart failure > High blood pressure > Thrombosis (clot formation) > Skin changes: > Impaired wound healing > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin > Changes in pigmentation of skin > Acne > Excessive body hair growth > Rash or hives > Easy or spontaneous bruising > Facial flushing > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations > Increased sweating (very common) > Other changes or problems: > Salt and water retention > Potassium loss > General body discomfort > Abnormally low calcium > Muscle weakness > Loss of muscle mass > Bone density loss > Bone fractures > Menstrual irregularities (women) > Growth suppression (children) > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance > Increased blood sugar levels > Cataracts > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure > Bulging eyes > Aggravation or masking of an infection > Rare instances of blindness > Tendon rupture > Suppressed reaction to skin tests > Kaposi's sarcoma > Hip or shoulder bone degradation > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness > Muscle twitching > Exaggerated rapid eye movement > > > > > >Hi Gracia, > >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just > >make you feel better? > >thanks > >Bev > > > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high > >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed > >ALL > >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc > >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very > >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in > >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, > >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I > >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he > >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good > >effects right away, certainly within a week. > >Gracia > > > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > > > BR > > > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > >glands. > > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses > >of > > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > > Gracia > > > > > > > >> Hi ! > > > >> > > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds > >for > > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > > >> ordinary > > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > > >> > > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > > >> > > > >> B.R. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Of course your adrenals are severely stressed after a hysterectomy and no hormones. There are hormones that work. Are you in the UK? You will need a very good doc. Gracia > > Hi > Im doing an adrenal profile salivary test tomorrow. Im also going to speak to a well known Dr. who is on our side, on Tuesday evening, > the Endo consultant in my area is Prof. Weatman, and Ive had dealings with him, all to which came to nothing. > > I live in Sheffield and am 49 yrs. old. I actually started being ill in 1988, but for years dr.s said I was depressed, Yes OK. and have tried all sorts, I really thought that feeling well for quite a while now, that I have cracked it. I had a hysterectomy in 1988 and spent some time with the Dr.s giving me HRT nothing worked only. In the end I took all the empty and half emtpy packets to the consultant and told him, if he thought these products were so good then it might be best if he took them himself, (I had a good relationship with him, so we were still friends after) > > Ive included a photo taken this morning and I look nothing like I did only 2 weeks ago, and it gets worse daily. Someone on another site has said that at one time she was displaying both Cushing and symtoms. I waiting for a reply as to the ins and outs of this and how she managed it. > > Thanks for your reply > Bye for now > Gail > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Forgot to include photo Gail's husband Daz Re: Re: adrenal support > > > If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. > Bev > > LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too > quickly... hope this helps. > > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids > > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients > have no, or only minor, side effects. > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: > > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): > Appearance of " moonface " > Enlargement of some fat pad areas > The appearance of fat in the midsection > Abnormal fat deposits > General obesity > Muscle wasting and weakness > High blood pressure > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) > Osteoporosis > Thinning of skin > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: > Nausea > Fatigue > Loss of appetite > Difficulty breathing > Lowered blood pressure > Joint and muscle aches > Fever > Dizziness > Fainting > General body discomfort > Digestive tract problems: > Nausea > Vomiting > Increased appetite > Weight gain > Indigestion or heartburn > Bloating > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) > Peptic ulcer > Stomach pain > Rectal bleeding > Local pain or burning with enemas > CNS (central nervous system) problems: > Convulsions or seizures > Increased pressure in the brain > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion > Headache > Behavior changes > Sleeplessness > Hiccups > Mood swings > Depression > Psychotic manifestations > Clumsiness > Exaggerated sense of well being > Circulatory system problems: > Heart failure > High blood pressure > Thrombosis (clot formation) > Skin changes: > Impaired wound healing > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin > Changes in pigmentation of skin > Acne > Excessive body hair growth > Rash or hives > Easy or spontaneous bruising > Facial flushing > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations > Increased sweating (very common) > Other changes or problems: > Salt and water retention > Potassium loss > General body discomfort > Abnormally low calcium > Muscle weakness > Loss of muscle mass > Bone density loss > Bone fractures > Menstrual irregularities (women) > Growth suppression (children) > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance > Increased blood sugar levels > Cataracts > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure > Bulging eyes > Aggravation or masking of an infection > Rare instances of blindness > Tendon rupture > Suppressed reaction to skin tests > Kaposi's sarcoma > Hip or shoulder bone degradation > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness > Muscle twitching > Exaggerated rapid eye movement > > > > > >Hi Gracia, > >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just > >make you feel better? > >thanks > >Bev > > > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high > >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed > >ALL > >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc > >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very > >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in > >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, > >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I > >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he > >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good > >effects right away, certainly within a week. > >Gracia > > > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > > > BR > > > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > >glands. > > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses > >of > > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > > Gracia > > > > > > > >> Hi ! > > > >> > > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds > >for > > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > > >> ordinary > > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > > >> > > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > > >> > > > >> B.R. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Yes my son did get hep c from me. Only five percent of children born to possitive mothers get it...usually from contact with the mothers blood during the birth process. My cervix had to be snipped in order for him to complete the journey out, and there was a fair amount of bleeding. It is possible the doc says that some of the blood entered through his tear ducts. Some children that are exposed are able to clear the virus on their own in the first two years...no such luck with my guy. He has always been behind on the growth charts...and is already having some metabolic issues....he goes for check ups every three to six months. We have opted NOT to treat at this point....the side effects of the meds just seem too dangerous for us. Hopefully research will catch up to him before we have to do anything else. (im not holding my breath!) We pay close attention to his diet now...and thats about all we can do. He has had more infections this year though...and that worries me. I know his immune system is always busy...and that's gonna wear him down. It certainly did me! I know because it is a " slow " killer...no one is looking too hard at it. And unfortunately, it is a relatively new disease, and there is very little published information thus far. I started keeping very detailed journals a few years ago when all of my troubles really became apparent. Hopefully they will be valuable someday to him....so he can at least know what to expect, and what I did that made it better. I hear over and over from people that know about us, " awww don't worry, people with that live forever, its no big deal " Well, they might live...but they don't live WELL. And thats the part that makes me angry. If you think about where the virus lives, it can't help but affect every system in your body to some degree. I'm sure that my thyroid and adrenal issues are directly related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 No, I did not need a prescription to order it. I imagine you could get it that way though, if it would make you feel better about the source. I often wonder about the quality of stuff I order from internet pharmacies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Gail - I know that you will need at least natural progesterone after a hysterectome - and if you have had your ovaries removed probably the other hormones as well. HRT will only make you feel more ill. I had a partial hysterectomy at age 42 and relapsed badly afterwards - I didn't know what to do back then. kerry Re: Re: adrenal support Hi Im doing an adrenal profile salivary test tomorrow. Im also going to speak to a well known Dr. who is on our side, on Tuesday evening, the Endo consultant in my area is Prof. Weatman, and Ive had dealings with him, all to which came to nothing. I live in Sheffield and am 49 yrs. old. I actually started being ill in 1988, but for years dr.s said I was depressed, Yes OK. and have tried all sorts, I really thought that feeling well for quite a while now, that I have cracked it. I had a hysterectomy in 1988 and spent some time with the Dr.s giving me HRT nothing worked only. In the end I took all the empty and half emtpy packets to the consultant and told him, if he thought these products were so good then it might be best if he took them himself, (I had a good relationship with him, so we were still friends after) Ive included a photo taken this morning and I look nothing like I did only 2 weeks ago, and it gets worse daily. Someone on another site has said that at one time she was displaying both Cushing and symtoms. I waiting for a reply as to the ins and outs of this and how she managed it. Thanks for your reply Bye for now Gail Re: Re: adrenal support > > > If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. > Bev > > LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too > quickly... hope this helps. > > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids > > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients > have no, or only minor, side effects. > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: > > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): > Appearance of " moonface " > Enlargement of some fat pad areas > The appearance of fat in the midsection > Abnormal fat deposits > General obesity > Muscle wasting and weakness > High blood pressure > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) > Osteoporosis > Thinning of skin > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: > Nausea > Fatigue > Loss of appetite > Difficulty breathing > Lowered blood pressure > Joint and muscle aches > Fever > Dizziness > Fainting > General body discomfort > Digestive tract problems: > Nausea > Vomiting > Increased appetite > Weight gain > Indigestion or heartburn > Bloating > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) > Peptic ulcer > Stomach pain > Rectal bleeding > Local pain or burning with enemas > CNS (central nervous system) problems: > Convulsions or seizures > Increased pressure in the brain > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion > Headache > Behavior changes > Sleeplessness > Hiccups > Mood swings > Depression > Psychotic manifestations > Clumsiness > Exaggerated sense of well being > Circulatory system problems: > Heart failure > High blood pressure > Thrombosis (clot formation) > Skin changes: > Impaired wound healing > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin > Changes in pigmentation of skin > Acne > Excessive body hair growth > Rash or hives > Easy or spontaneous bruising > Facial flushing > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations > Increased sweating (very common) > Other changes or problems: > Salt and water retention > Potassium loss > General body discomfort > Abnormally low calcium > Muscle weakness > Loss of muscle mass > Bone density loss > Bone fractures > Menstrual irregularities (women) > Growth suppression (children) > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance > Increased blood sugar levels > Cataracts > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure > Bulging eyes > Aggravation or masking of an infection > Rare instances of blindness > Tendon rupture > Suppressed reaction to skin tests > Kaposi's sarcoma > Hip or shoulder bone degradation > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness > Muscle twitching > Exaggerated rapid eye movement > > > > > >Hi Gracia, > >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just > >make you feel better? > >thanks > >Bev > > > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high > >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed > >ALL > >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc > >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very > >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in > >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, > >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I > >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he > >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good > >effects right away, certainly within a week. > >Gracia > > > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > > > BR > > > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > >glands. > > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses > >of > > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > > Gracia > > > > > > > >> Hi ! > > > >> > > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds > >for > > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > > >> ordinary > > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > > >> > > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > > >> > > > >> B.R. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Bev Not sure where its gone, I'll get Daz to check and post to you in the morning. Gail Re: Re: adrenal support --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 I'm so sorry to hear of yours and your son health problem.. I know you have said before, but how old is he now? I hope so much for you both. take care Bev Aprilcupcake@... wrote: Yes my son did get hep c from me. Only five percent of children born to possitive mothers get it...usually from contact with the mothers blood during the birth process. My cervix had to be snipped in order for him to complete the journey out, and there was a fair amount of bleeding. It is possible the doc says that some of the blood entered through his tear ducts. Some children that are exposed are able to clear the virus on their own in the first two years...no such luck with my guy. He has always been behind on the growth charts...and is already having some metabolic issues....he goes for check ups every three to six months. We have opted NOT to treat at this point....the side effects of the meds just seem too dangerous for us. Hopefully research will catch up to him before we have to do anything else. (im not holding my breath!) We pay close attention to his diet now...and thats about all we can do. He has had more infections this year though...and that worries me. I know his immune system is always busy...and that's gonna wear him down. It certainly did me! I know because it is a " slow " killer...no one is looking too hard at it. And unfortunately, it is a relatively new disease, and there is very little published information thus far. I started keeping very detailed journals a few years ago when all of my troubles really became apparent. Hopefully they will be valuable someday to him....so he can at least know what to expect, and what I did that made it better. I hear over and over from people that know about us, " awww don't worry, people with that live forever, its no big deal " Well, they might live...but they don't live WELL. And thats the part that makes me angry. If you think about where the virus lives, it can't help but affect every system in your body to some degree. I'm sure that my thyroid and adrenal issues are directly related. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Hi Bev Just been told doesnt accept photos, so that ideas out the window Bye Daz & Gail Re: Re: adrenal support --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Hi Bev Just been told doesnt accept photos, so that ideas out the window Bye Daz & Gail Re: Re: adrenal support --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Now I don't speak from experience but two groups I follow up on " microelectricy " and " coconut oil open forum " have people writing in with success stories using either methods. I recall reading one recently in the coconut oil open forum. Both of these groups are . Best of luck with it. And YES, I'm a huge fan of coconut. --- Aprilcupcake@... wrote: > Yes my son did get hep c from me. Only five percent > of children born to > possitive > mothers get it...usually from contact with the > mothers blood during the birth > process. > > My cervix had to be snipped in order for him to > complete the journey out, and > there > was a fair amount of bleeding. It is possible the > doc says that some of the > blood > entered through his tear ducts. > > Some children that are exposed are able to clear the > virus on their own in > the first > two years...no such luck with my guy. > > He has always been behind on the growth charts...and > is already having some > metabolic issues....he goes for check ups every > three to six months. > We have opted NOT to treat at this point....the side > effects of the meds just > seem too dangerous for us. Hopefully research will > catch up to him before > we have to do anything else. > (im not holding my breath!) > We pay close attention to his diet now...and thats > about all we can do. > He has had more infections this year though...and > that worries me. > I know his immune system is always busy...and that's > gonna wear him > down. > It certainly did me! > > I know because it is a " slow " killer...no one is > looking too hard at it. > And unfortunately, it is a relatively new disease, > and there is very > little published information thus far. > I started keeping very detailed journals a few years > ago when all of > my troubles really became apparent. > Hopefully they will be valuable someday to him....so > he can at least know > what to expect, and what I did that made it better. > > I hear over and over from people that know about us, > " awww don't worry, > people > with that live forever, its no big deal " > Well, they might live...but they don't live WELL. > And thats the part that > makes > me angry. If you think about where the virus lives, > it can't help but affect > every > system in your body to some degree. > I'm sure that my thyroid and adrenal issues are > directly related. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 , Phsycological dosing is anything under 30mg is what both my doctor and the endo I saw for a second opinion said. Not sure if someone else has heard different. LaCretia > >What would be typical replacement and therapeutic dosing? > >Thanks, > > > >Message: 6 > > Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:14:19 -0400 > > From: " Every " <denisee@...> > >Subject: Re: Re: adrenal support > > > >The things you are talking about regarding Cortef are more in keeping >with > >long-term therapeutic dosing. Yes, it is true that high doses of >steroids > >over a long term do cause a lot of problems. > > > >But there is a world of difference between replacement dosage and > >therapeutic dosage. This is comparing apples and oranges. > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Sorry ... it wasn't meant to be taken literally... I meant the feeling it gives you... it makes my blood pressure higher, helps fight stress, pulse is higher etc. Yes I did spell it wrong... you are gonna have that....LOL.... brain fog probably. Thanks for the link... (I ran my post through a spell checker for you this time...LOL) LaCretia > ><<You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...>> > >This is incorrect and completely wrong information. > >You are NOT giving your body " adrenalyn " (which is correctly spelled as > " adrenaline " ). Adrenaline and cortisol are two completely different >hormones. They are used very differently by doctors for entirely different >therapeutic reasons. Just because they are both made by the adrenal gland >does not mean they have the same purpose or effects. As an example, >adrenaline does not have the anti-inflammatory effect that cortisol and >derivatives have. > > This is a link to a web site which has basic information about the >adrenal >hormones, it should help clarify the role of these very different hormones. > >http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/Adrenals.html > > > > Re: Re: adrenal support > > > > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only >adrenal > > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. > > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your >body > > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and > > the > > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help > > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much > > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel > > too > > quickly... hope this helps. > > > > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids > > > > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients > > have no, or only minor, side effects. > > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: > > > > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): > > Appearance of " moonface " > > Enlargement of some fat pad areas > > The appearance of fat in the midsection > > Abnormal fat deposits > > General obesity > > Muscle wasting and weakness > > High blood pressure > > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) > > Osteoporosis > > Thinning of skin > > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > > > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: > > Nausea > > Fatigue > > Loss of appetite > > Difficulty breathing > > Lowered blood pressure > > Joint and muscle aches > > Fever > > Dizziness > > Fainting > > General body discomfort > > Digestive tract problems: > > Nausea > > Vomiting > > Increased appetite > > Weight gain > > Indigestion or heartburn > > Bloating > > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) > > Peptic ulcer > > Stomach pain > > Rectal bleeding > > Local pain or burning with enemas > > CNS (central nervous system) problems: > > Convulsions or seizures > > Increased pressure in the brain > > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion > > Headache > > Behavior changes > > Sleeplessness > > Hiccups > > Mood swings > > Depression > > Psychotic manifestations > > Clumsiness > > Exaggerated sense of well being > > Circulatory system problems: > > Heart failure > > High blood pressure > > Thrombosis (clot formation) > > Skin changes: > > Impaired wound healing > > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin > > Changes in pigmentation of skin > > Acne > > Excessive body hair growth > > Rash or hives > > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > Facial flushing > > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations > > Increased sweating (very common) > > Other changes or problems: > > Salt and water retention > > Potassium loss > > General body discomfort > > Abnormally low calcium > > Muscle weakness > > Loss of muscle mass > > Bone density loss > > Bone fractures > > Menstrual irregularities (women) > > Growth suppression (children) > > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance > > Increased blood sugar levels > > Cataracts > > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure > > Bulging eyes > > Aggravation or masking of an infection > > Rare instances of blindness > > Tendon rupture > > Suppressed reaction to skin tests > > Kaposi's sarcoma > > Hip or shoulder bone degradation > > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness > > Muscle twitching > > Exaggerated rapid eye movement > > > > > >> > >>Hi Gracia, > >>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just > >>make you feel better? > >>thanks > >>Bev > >> > >>Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >> > >>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was > >>high > >>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed > >>ALL > >>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. > >>Doc > >>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very > >>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com >in > >>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for > >>myself, > >>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I >said > >>I > >>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and > >>he > >>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good > >>effects right away, certainly within a week. > >>Gracia > >> > >> > Hi Gracia! > >> > > >> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting > >> > today > >> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of > >> > the > >> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much >is > >> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > >> > > >> > BR > >> > > >> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > >>glands. > >> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe >Uses > >>of > >> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > >> > > Gracia > >> > > > >> > >> Hi ! > >> > >> > >> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the >meds > >>for > >> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to >steroid > >> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > >> > >> ordinary > >> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > >> > >> > >> > >> Please clarifiy me. > >> > >> > >> > >> B.R. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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