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>So don't you think that any of you are not

> teaching your child something while they watch tv for

> an example.

has a very good point here. When Ian was learning to talk, I

wondered if I should allow him to watch so many videos. He loved them --

all the Sesame Street tapes, and Barney, and the Tank Engine when he

was a little older -- but everyone had always said that you shouldn't allow

your children to watch too much television.

But I noticed that the more he watched, the better his vocabulary became.

The repetition was so helpful -- he didn't watch television, just tapes,

sometimes over and over and over again in a day. So he drummed those

words -- songs, and dances too -- into his brain, and it truly did improve

his language ability.

CK,

Mom to Ian (2/89),

(9/90),

and Rose (6/94)

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>So don't you think that any of you are not

> teaching your child something while they watch tv for

> an example.

has a very good point here. When Ian was learning to talk, I

wondered if I should allow him to watch so many videos. He loved them --

all the Sesame Street tapes, and Barney, and the Tank Engine when he

was a little older -- but everyone had always said that you shouldn't allow

your children to watch too much television.

But I noticed that the more he watched, the better his vocabulary became.

The repetition was so helpful -- he didn't watch television, just tapes,

sometimes over and over and over again in a day. So he drummed those

words -- songs, and dances too -- into his brain, and it truly did improve

his language ability.

CK,

Mom to Ian (2/89),

(9/90),

and Rose (6/94)

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Irma,

Thanks. I think that any person wheather adult or

child- learns something from watching tv, or from a

movie. I mean unless they watch it 24/7 which isn't

good.

>

> has a very good point here. When Ian was

> learning to talk, I

> wondered if I should allow him to watch so many

> videos. He loved them --

> all the Sesame Street tapes, and Barney, and

> the Tank Engine when he

> was a little older -- but everyone had always said

> that you shouldn't allow

> your children to watch too much television.

>

> But I noticed that the more he watched, the better

> his vocabulary became.

> The repetition was so helpful -- he didn't watch

> television, just tapes,

> sometimes over and over and over again in a day. So

> he drummed those

> words -- songs, and dances too -- into his brain,

> and it truly did improve

> his language ability.

>

> CK,

> Mom to Ian (2/89),

> (9/90),

> and Rose (6/94)

>

>

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Heavy, heavy sigh. You know, you'd think the human element would

kick in at some point and some of these people would

go home one day and do a web search just out of curiosity.....

On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:51 AM, Mark son wrote:

> How can a school have a child with a disability and yet no one

> have any idea what that disability is or how to adapt their

> teaching to accomodate those differeces.

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I know it's not for everyone but we homeschool. The

stress of school was just too much for my son. The way

I like to think about it is this, your Doctor and your

children's specialists were required to get the

highest test scores to be who they are - teachers in

many countries only need the most basic of pass marks

to enter teacher's college...

--- Jackie Geipel <jackie@...> wrote:

>

> Heavy, heavy sigh. You know, you'd think the human

> element would

> kick in at some point and some of these people would

> go home one day and do a web search just out of

> curiosity.....

>

>

> On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:51 AM, Mark son wrote:

>

> > How can a school have a child with a disability

> and yet no one

> > have any idea what that disability is or how to

> adapt their

> > teaching to accomodate those differeces.

>

>

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I " m sure that's all absolutely standard! Jeez.

Mark son <thejacobsons@...> wrote: I just have to write

and have a little vent. I have spent the last two days teaching a grade 3 and 4

class at a local school. There was a young boy in the class who has HFA or AS I

am not sure. (That is part of my vent.) I asked the principle which it was and

he said oh " Some form of Autism "

The teacher was away sick. On the first day I send them to pysh ed and he gets

sent back. He doesn't know why. The phys ed teacher comes to see me a while

later and tells me that he fell over and started yelling at the girl beside him

saying that she tripped him. So she sends him back to calm down.

I mentioned that maybe he " thought " she did trip him and did she try to explain

that it was an accident. And the phys ed teacher said " No why bother he never

listens " So i explained that he might have problems understanding what she is

saying due to him having autism. And she says " yes he does have some syndrome or

something, it might be tourettes or something like that. I don't know much about

it " And I was really trying not to get too angry because in my opinion she

should know if she's paid to actually teach this boy.

And then today it was even worse because an aid came into work with him and she

was said " I'm here to work with Cody, he has issues! " In this funny tone of

voice. And I said " Oh you mean Autism. " And she said " Yeah, I think that's what

it is. " She went on to tell me there are four types of autism but she's not sure

which one he has. And I'm thinking you have to be joking!

So I tried to explain Autism to her and told her my son has Autism and she said

" I'm only here Friday mornings so I guess they didn't think I really needed to

know to much about it. "

And I almost lost it when I saw that Cody had lunch time detention because of

the Pyhs Ed incident. It was a whole day later and I'm told that I have to tell

him he has detention. The poor kid had been so good all day and now I'm saying

he has detention. It was a nightmare.

After lunch he completely lost it because a musical instrument he made was

broken. You should have seen the looks of disapproval that I got off some of the

other teachers because I sent the aid to fix it with him. In the state he was,

there was no way he was going to work until his instrument was fixed.

No wonder he is so far academically behind the other kids in his class. I was

horrified! How can a school have a child with a disability and yet no one have

any idea what that disability is or how to adapt their teaching to accomodate

those differeces.

This kid was such a lovely young man.

Sorry if this message is a bit all over the place. I just got home and I spent

the whole drive home thinking " and this is mainstream education at work. " Heaven

help my son next year.

Beck

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P.S. I meant my last message (I'm sure that's absolutely standard!) in an

outraged and sympathetic way, just in case that was vague :)

Mark son <thejacobsons@...> wrote: I just have to write

and have a little vent. I have spent the last two days teaching a grade 3 and 4

class at a local school. There was a young boy in the class who has HFA or AS I

am not sure. (That is part of my vent.) I asked the principle which it was and

he said oh " Some form of Autism "

The teacher was away sick. On the first day I send them to pysh ed and he gets

sent back. He doesn't know why. The phys ed teacher comes to see me a while

later and tells me that he fell over and started yelling at the girl beside him

saying that she tripped him. So she sends him back to calm down.

I mentioned that maybe he " thought " she did trip him and did she try to explain

that it was an accident. And the phys ed teacher said " No why bother he never

listens " So i explained that he might have problems understanding what she is

saying due to him having autism. And she says " yes he does have some syndrome or

something, it might be tourettes or something like that. I don't know much about

it " And I was really trying not to get too angry because in my opinion she

should know if she's paid to actually teach this boy.

And then today it was even worse because an aid came into work with him and she

was said " I'm here to work with Cody, he has issues! " In this funny tone of

voice. And I said " Oh you mean Autism. " And she said " Yeah, I think that's what

it is. " She went on to tell me there are four types of autism but she's not sure

which one he has. And I'm thinking you have to be joking!

So I tried to explain Autism to her and told her my son has Autism and she said

" I'm only here Friday mornings so I guess they didn't think I really needed to

know to much about it. "

And I almost lost it when I saw that Cody had lunch time detention because of

the Pyhs Ed incident. It was a whole day later and I'm told that I have to tell

him he has detention. The poor kid had been so good all day and now I'm saying

he has detention. It was a nightmare.

After lunch he completely lost it because a musical instrument he made was

broken. You should have seen the looks of disapproval that I got off some of the

other teachers because I sent the aid to fix it with him. In the state he was,

there was no way he was going to work until his instrument was fixed.

No wonder he is so far academically behind the other kids in his class. I was

horrified! How can a school have a child with a disability and yet no one have

any idea what that disability is or how to adapt their teaching to accomodate

those differeces.

This kid was such a lovely young man.

Sorry if this message is a bit all over the place. I just got home and I spent

the whole drive home thinking " and this is mainstream education at work. " Heaven

help my son next year.

Beck

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P.S. I meant my last message (I'm sure that's absolutely standard!) in an

outraged and sympathetic way, just in case that was vague :)

Mark son <thejacobsons@...> wrote: I just have to write

and have a little vent. I have spent the last two days teaching a grade 3 and 4

class at a local school. There was a young boy in the class who has HFA or AS I

am not sure. (That is part of my vent.) I asked the principle which it was and

he said oh " Some form of Autism "

The teacher was away sick. On the first day I send them to pysh ed and he gets

sent back. He doesn't know why. The phys ed teacher comes to see me a while

later and tells me that he fell over and started yelling at the girl beside him

saying that she tripped him. So she sends him back to calm down.

I mentioned that maybe he " thought " she did trip him and did she try to explain

that it was an accident. And the phys ed teacher said " No why bother he never

listens " So i explained that he might have problems understanding what she is

saying due to him having autism. And she says " yes he does have some syndrome or

something, it might be tourettes or something like that. I don't know much about

it " And I was really trying not to get too angry because in my opinion she

should know if she's paid to actually teach this boy.

And then today it was even worse because an aid came into work with him and she

was said " I'm here to work with Cody, he has issues! " In this funny tone of

voice. And I said " Oh you mean Autism. " And she said " Yeah, I think that's what

it is. " She went on to tell me there are four types of autism but she's not sure

which one he has. And I'm thinking you have to be joking!

So I tried to explain Autism to her and told her my son has Autism and she said

" I'm only here Friday mornings so I guess they didn't think I really needed to

know to much about it. "

And I almost lost it when I saw that Cody had lunch time detention because of

the Pyhs Ed incident. It was a whole day later and I'm told that I have to tell

him he has detention. The poor kid had been so good all day and now I'm saying

he has detention. It was a nightmare.

After lunch he completely lost it because a musical instrument he made was

broken. You should have seen the looks of disapproval that I got off some of the

other teachers because I sent the aid to fix it with him. In the state he was,

there was no way he was going to work until his instrument was fixed.

No wonder he is so far academically behind the other kids in his class. I was

horrified! How can a school have a child with a disability and yet no one have

any idea what that disability is or how to adapt their teaching to accomodate

those differeces.

This kid was such a lovely young man.

Sorry if this message is a bit all over the place. I just got home and I spent

the whole drive home thinking " and this is mainstream education at work. " Heaven

help my son next year.

Beck

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P.S. I meant my last message (I'm sure that's absolutely standard!) in an

outraged and sympathetic way, just in case that was vague :)

Mark son <thejacobsons@...> wrote: I just have to write

and have a little vent. I have spent the last two days teaching a grade 3 and 4

class at a local school. There was a young boy in the class who has HFA or AS I

am not sure. (That is part of my vent.) I asked the principle which it was and

he said oh " Some form of Autism "

The teacher was away sick. On the first day I send them to pysh ed and he gets

sent back. He doesn't know why. The phys ed teacher comes to see me a while

later and tells me that he fell over and started yelling at the girl beside him

saying that she tripped him. So she sends him back to calm down.

I mentioned that maybe he " thought " she did trip him and did she try to explain

that it was an accident. And the phys ed teacher said " No why bother he never

listens " So i explained that he might have problems understanding what she is

saying due to him having autism. And she says " yes he does have some syndrome or

something, it might be tourettes or something like that. I don't know much about

it " And I was really trying not to get too angry because in my opinion she

should know if she's paid to actually teach this boy.

And then today it was even worse because an aid came into work with him and she

was said " I'm here to work with Cody, he has issues! " In this funny tone of

voice. And I said " Oh you mean Autism. " And she said " Yeah, I think that's what

it is. " She went on to tell me there are four types of autism but she's not sure

which one he has. And I'm thinking you have to be joking!

So I tried to explain Autism to her and told her my son has Autism and she said

" I'm only here Friday mornings so I guess they didn't think I really needed to

know to much about it. "

And I almost lost it when I saw that Cody had lunch time detention because of

the Pyhs Ed incident. It was a whole day later and I'm told that I have to tell

him he has detention. The poor kid had been so good all day and now I'm saying

he has detention. It was a nightmare.

After lunch he completely lost it because a musical instrument he made was

broken. You should have seen the looks of disapproval that I got off some of the

other teachers because I sent the aid to fix it with him. In the state he was,

there was no way he was going to work until his instrument was fixed.

No wonder he is so far academically behind the other kids in his class. I was

horrified! How can a school have a child with a disability and yet no one have

any idea what that disability is or how to adapt their teaching to accomodate

those differeces.

This kid was such a lovely young man.

Sorry if this message is a bit all over the place. I just got home and I spent

the whole drive home thinking " and this is mainstream education at work. " Heaven

help my son next year.

Beck

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That is just so sad yet so typical of the way things

are! I took my AS son (3rd grade) out of public

school because I knew he would never get the help he

needed even though his case is so mild our

psychologist wouldn't give a definite AS diagnosis.

He seemed to fit in with others so he was a teacher's

dream because he was so quiet and shy. So he got

ignored bascially. All the IEP did was insure that he

got promoted whether he was learning or not. He was

one the of kids that was " falling through the cracks " .

Luckily, we found a small private school (6 kids max.

per class) that is designed for children with average

or above IQ's but that have a specific LD and he is

doing GREAT! It's such a warm loving environment and

best of all he is doing so much better with his

reading. I can't speak for public schools everywhere

but I know there is a problem with MANY school systems

for kids like ours. It breaks my heart to hear

stories like that one.

--- Mark son <thejacobsons@...> wrote:

> I just have to write and have a little vent. I have

> spent the last two days teaching a grade 3 and 4

> class at a local school. There was a young boy in

> the class who has HFA or AS I am not sure. (That is

> part of my vent.) I asked the principle which it

> was and he said oh " Some form of Autism "

>

> The teacher was away sick. On the first day I send

> them to pysh ed and he gets sent back. He doesn't

> know why. The phys ed teacher comes to see me a

> while later and tells me that he fell over and

> started yelling at the girl beside him saying that

> she tripped him. So she sends him back to calm

> down.

> I mentioned that maybe he " thought " she did trip

> him and did she try to explain that it was an

> accident. And the phys ed teacher said " No why

> bother he never listens " So i explained that he

> might have problems understanding what she is saying

> due to him having autism. And she says " yes he does

> have some syndrome or something, it might be

> tourettes or something like that. I don't know much

> about it " And I was really trying not to get too

> angry because in my opinion she should know if she's

> paid to actually teach this boy.

>

> And then today it was even worse because an aid came

> into work with him and she was said " I'm here to

> work with Cody, he has issues! " In this funny tone

> of voice. And I said " Oh you mean Autism. " And she

> said " Yeah, I think that's what it is. " She went on

> to tell me there are four types of autism but she's

> not sure which one he has. And I'm thinking you

> have to be joking!

> So I tried to explain Autism to her and told her my

> son has Autism and she said " I'm only here Friday

> mornings so I guess they didn't think I really

> needed to know to much about it. "

>

> And I almost lost it when I saw that Cody had lunch

> time detention because of the Pyhs Ed incident. It

> was a whole day later and I'm told that I have to

> tell him he has detention. The poor kid had been so

> good all day and now I'm saying he has detention.

> It was a nightmare.

>

> After lunch he completely lost it because a musical

> instrument he made was broken. You should have seen

> the looks of disapproval that I got off some of the

> other teachers because I sent the aid to fix it with

> him. In the state he was, there was no way he was

> going to work until his instrument was fixed.

>

> No wonder he is so far academically behind the other

> kids in his class. I was horrified! How can a

> school have a child with a disability and yet no one

> have any idea what that disability is or how to

> adapt their teaching to accomodate those differeces.

>

> This kid was such a lovely young man.

>

> Sorry if this message is a bit all over the place.

> I just got home and I spent the whole drive home

> thinking " and this is mainstream education at work. "

> Heaven help my son next year.

> Beck

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Beck,

Try to have perspective because there is no way you are going to send your child

into a situation like that and leave him hanging. Either his parents do not

know how to advocate for him or they think everything is fine and the school is

doing the best they can. Either way, they are very wrong! And without them

getting involved, things will probably keep going that way. It is terrible. I

can imagine how you feel watching it as well. I have seen kids struggling and

wanted to change the situation but it's not my " business " to do so. Instead, I

try to educate parents about sped law in this area as much as possible and in

that way, I can help.

My kids have all been in the reg. ed environment for part or all of their day.

But I do make sure the supports are in place for him. I check in. I ask

questions. If they don't know what kind of autism he has, they only have to

read the little paper I give them everytime I go in to meet with them. And then

I tell them a lot as well. Parents have to be involved, show up and advocate,

no doubt about that! And you can effect change in your own school by doing that

and by trying to meet other parents and share helpful books, articles or

websites with them.

Roxanna

( ) teaching

I just have to write and have a little vent. I have spent the last two days

teaching a grade 3 and 4 class at a local school. There was a young boy in the

class who has HFA or AS I am not sure. (That is part of my vent.) I asked the

principle which it was and he said oh " Some form of Autism "

The teacher was away sick. On the first day I send them to pysh ed and he gets

sent back. He doesn't know why. The phys ed teacher comes to see me a while

later and tells me that he fell over and started yelling at the girl beside him

saying that she tripped him. So she sends him back to calm down.

I mentioned that maybe he " thought " she did trip him and did she try to

explain that it was an accident. And the phys ed teacher said " No why bother he

never listens " So i explained that he might have problems understanding what she

is saying due to him having autism. And she says " yes he does have some syndrome

or something, it might be tourettes or something like that. I don't know much

about it " And I was really trying not to get too angry because in my opinion she

should know if she's paid to actually teach this boy.

And then today it was even worse because an aid came into work with him and

she was said " I'm here to work with Cody, he has issues! " In this funny tone of

voice. And I said " Oh you mean Autism. " And she said " Yeah, I think that's what

it is. " She went on to tell me there are four types of autism but she's not sure

which one he has. And I'm thinking you have to be joking!

So I tried to explain Autism to her and told her my son has Autism and she

said " I'm only here Friday mornings so I guess they didn't think I really needed

to know to much about it. "

And I almost lost it when I saw that Cody had lunch time detention because of

the Pyhs Ed incident. It was a whole day later and I'm told that I have to tell

him he has detention. The poor kid had been so good all day and now I'm saying

he has detention. It was a nightmare.

After lunch he completely lost it because a musical instrument he made was

broken. You should have seen the looks of disapproval that I got off some of the

other teachers because I sent the aid to fix it with him. In the state he was,

there was no way he was going to work until his instrument was fixed.

No wonder he is so far academically behind the other kids in his class. I was

horrified! How can a school have a child with a disability and yet no one have

any idea what that disability is or how to adapt their teaching to accomodate

those differeces.

This kid was such a lovely young man.

Sorry if this message is a bit all over the place. I just got home and I spent

the whole drive home thinking " and this is mainstream education at work. " Heaven

help my son next year.

Beck

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  • 2 years later...

Follow these directions (I will oversimplify, so forgive me):

1. On the left of your screen is a list. Go to the first Add and click on it.

2. A large box will appear at midscreen.

3. In the box, click on the line that says Name, and type Tamas

4. Click on the Email line and type shmnts@...

5. Click on the little box

6. Click on the lefthand box below

7. Pause, then click on the OK box

That's all there is to it.

From: Peace <iampeacewalker@...> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:16 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

Where are how do the chats take place?

Peace

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Hi,

What page or website are on to find the list?

From: Shaman Tamas - <shmnts@...>Subject: Re: [] Teaching Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:16 PM

Follow these directions (I will oversimplify, so forgive me):

1. On the left of your screen is a list. Go to the first Add and click on it.

2. A large box will appear at midscreen.

3. In the box, click on the line that says Name, and type Tamas

4. Click on the Email line and type shmnts (DOT) com

5. Click on the little box

6. Click on the lefthand box below

7. Pause, then click on the OK box

That's all there is to it.

From: Peace <iampeacewalker>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:16 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

Where are how do the chats take place?

Peace

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No page. When you email, isn't there a column on the left side of your screen that says:

Inbox

Drafts

Sent

Spam

Trash

Contacts

Calendar

Notepad

All Feeds

My Folders

From: Peace <iampeacewalker@...> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:23:47 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

Hi,

What page or website are on to find the list?

From: Shaman Tamas - <shmnts (DOT) com>Subject: Re: [] TeachingDate: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:16 PM

Follow these directions (I will oversimplify, so forgive me):

1. On the left of your screen is a list. Go to the first Add and click on it.

2. A large box will appear at midscreen.

3. In the box, click on the line that says Name, and type Tamas

4. Click on the Email line and type shmnts (DOT) com

5. Click on the little box

6. Click on the lefthand box below

7. Pause, then click on the OK box

That's all there is to it.

From: Peace <iampeacewalker>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:16 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

Where are how do the chats take place?

Peace

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well sort of the only add....is for folders.

I am using free .

From: Shaman Tamas - <shmnts (DOT) com>Subject: Re: [] TeachingDate: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:16 PM

Follow these directions (I will oversimplify, so forgive me):

1. On the left of your screen is a list. Go to the first Add and click on it.

2. A large box will appear at midscreen.

3. In the box, click on the line that says Name, and type Tamas

4. Click on the Email line and type shmnts (DOT) com

5. Click on the little box

6. Click on the lefthand box below

7. Pause, then click on the OK box

That's all there is to it.

From: Peace <iampeacewalker>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:16 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

Where are how do the chats take place?

Peace

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I'm using free too. Are you using Classic or New? If Classic, click on New and you'll see the list I described.

From: Peace <iampeacewalker@...> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:34:33 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

well sort of the only add....is for folders.

I am using free .

From: Shaman Tamas - <shmnts (DOT) com>Subject: Re: [] TeachingDate: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:16 PM

Follow these directions (I will oversimplify, so forgive me):

1. On the left of your screen is a list. Go to the first Add and click on it.

2. A large box will appear at midscreen.

3. In the box, click on the line that says Name, and type Tamas

4. Click on the Email line and type shmnts (DOT) com

5. Click on the little box

6. Click on the lefthand box below

7. Pause, then click on the OK box

That's all there is to it.

From: Peace <iampeacewalker>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:16 PMSubject: Re: [] Teaching

Where are how do the chats take place?

Peace

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