Re: Bionic 880, a wonder cure for lyme?

June 12, 2008

>

> If you haven't checked the threads going on the Bionic 880 (in

> lymenet), a machine that uses infrared to deliver photons to the

> body, using homeopathic nosodes of borrelia in different potencies,

> you may be missing a big info.

>

> The word is cure for lyme. Believe it or not, the source seems to be

> very trustful. It's a doctor in Germany, not too far from my place,

> that have been using such photon therapy for about a decade, he had

> published some papers and often presents results about chronic lyme

> treatment in conferences.

>

> He's NOT after the money as he charges only 125 euro for a first

> visit, then 80 euro for each treatment (total of 10). In about 2

> weeks, the patient is out of the critical phase of lyme, some need 3

> weeks, and the rate of success is more than 95%. So yes, the

> treatment is very cheap for lyme standards. With less than 1,000 euro

> (about 1,500 dollars), the patient is rid of lyme in such as SHORT

> period of time!!

>

> Control patients are free of lyme for many years after the treatment,

> UNLESS they get re-infected.

>

> The treatment doesn't prevent new infections, it just eliminates

> current infection.

>

> It seems that the photons charged with borrelia information will go

> exactly where the problem is, will get rid of coinfections altogether

> and probably the load of toxins /metals. Too good to believe?

>

> Believe it or not, in the last conference, he said he already treated

> 2,000 lyme patients. Professor Popp, the scientist that is the most

> known for research of biophotons, was present in the last conference

> and they are probably going to publish a paper on that together soon.

>

> NASA has been researching and using photon therapy on astronauts, it

> seems, some papers also have been released on that.

>

> Groups of people trying to import the machine (the Bionic 880, that

> costs about 10,000 dollars) have been forming in certain areas, so

> that treatment costs get down. If you're interested, get to lymenet

> and contact the people. The machine is only available in Germany.

>

> I haven't used it YET, so I'm not promising anything, I'm just

> passing the info (that as I said, seems very trustful) to you all.

>

> I need to get 2 whole weeks of vacation, get to the place as I don't

> want to drive 5 hours every day, as the doctor that uses it is about

> 2.5 hours from my place) or find another practioner to try this. And

> save some money to get treated, as I'll need to pay a hotel.

>

> I'm currently on a lyme relapse, it is under control, but the

> infection is still active. I would like to get rid of this for good.

>

> Selma

>

June 12, 2008

Hi Selma & Carolyn,

I just wanted to say thanks for posting this, I read the threads on

Lymenet too and was really intrigued to hear about the Bionic 880

machine and photon therapy and Dr Woetzel's success in treating his

lyme patients. I do agree with you Carolyn though that you would

think that we would have heard more about this with such a high

success rate wouldnt you? I wonder how much success he has with

patients with chronic neuro lyme? That would be very interesting to

know. Anyway I googled it to find out more info and I found a

website that sells the machines and it turns that they are based in

Nottingham which is where I live! Apparently they are the first

people to own the machine in the UK so thats very lucky for me! The

woman who runs the business is not a health practitioner though but

she is trained to use the machine and is willing to come over to my

house tomorrow to give me a treatment. I cant wait to see if it

helps!! I dont know how important it is to use the nosodes too as I

will be just receiving the treatment from the machine itself but

we'll see. I will let you know how I get on with it.

I gave her the contact details of the other Lyme docs in the UK

including the Breakspear, maybe some of them would be interested in

buying one as they are pretty expensive at £6000! Though as you say

if it does prove to be very effective it will probably be worth it

for some people to club together to buy one.

Take care,

Anne

> >

> > If you haven't checked the threads going on the Bionic 880 (in

> > lymenet), a machine that uses infrared to deliver photons to the

> > body, using homeopathic nosodes of borrelia in different

potencies,

> > you may be missing a big info.

> >

> > The word is cure for lyme. Believe it or not, the source seems to

be

> > very trustful. It's a doctor in Germany, not too far from my

place,

> > that have been using such photon therapy for about a decade, he

had

> > published some papers and often presents results about chronic

lyme

> > treatment in conferences.

> >

> > He's NOT after the money as he charges only 125 euro for a first

> > visit, then 80 euro for each treatment (total of 10). In about 2

> > weeks, the patient is out of the critical phase of lyme, some

need 3

> > weeks, and the rate of success is more than 95%. So yes, the

> > treatment is very cheap for lyme standards. With less than 1,000

euro

> > (about 1,500 dollars), the patient is rid of lyme in such as

SHORT

> > period of time!!

> >

> > Control patients are free of lyme for many years after the

treatment,

> > UNLESS they get re-infected.

> >

> > The treatment doesn't prevent new infections, it just eliminates

> > current infection.

> >

> > It seems that the photons charged with borrelia information will

go

> > exactly where the problem is, will get rid of coinfections

altogether

> > and probably the load of toxins /metals. Too good to believe?

> >

> > Believe it or not, in the last conference, he said he already

treated

> > 2,000 lyme patients. Professor Popp, the scientist that is the

most

> > known for research of biophotons, was present in the last

conference

> > and they are probably going to publish a paper on that together

soon.

> >

> > NASA has been researching and using photon therapy on astronauts,

it

> > seems, some papers also have been released on that.

> >

> > Groups of people trying to import the machine (the Bionic 880,

that

> > costs about 10,000 dollars) have been forming in certain areas,

so

> > that treatment costs get down. If you're interested, get to

lymenet

> > and contact the people. The machine is only available in Germany.

> >

> > I haven't used it YET, so I'm not promising anything, I'm just

> > passing the info (that as I said, seems very trustful) to you

all.

> >

> > I need to get 2 whole weeks of vacation, get to the place as I

don't

> > want to drive 5 hours every day, as the doctor that uses it is

about

> > 2.5 hours from my place) or find another practioner to try this.

And

> > save some money to get treated, as I'll need to pay a hotel.

> >

> > I'm currently on a lyme relapse, it is under control, but the

> > infection is still active. I would like to get rid of this for

good.

> >

> > Selma

> >

>

June 12, 2008

Interesting Selma.

& nbsp;

IF it is true they will be millionaires in no time with all the people that will

be clammering for it.

& nbsp;

There is a new test here that they are using and it is supposed to find anything

wrong with your blood. & nbsp; They told me today that they used it on my blood

and everything is normal, so it means I have NO Lyme or coinfections. & nbsp;

Doesn't tell me WHY I should have all this shoulder pain and now neck pain

though.

& nbsp;

The test is called EIA Enzyme Immunol Assay. & nbsp; IF this test shows anything

positive, they then do the Western Blot test.

& nbsp;

ANy of you heard of this test?

& nbsp;

Jim.

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From: selmanaka & lt;hardynaka@... & gt;

Subject: [ ] Bionic 880, a wonder cure for lyme?

Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 3:30 AM

If you haven't checked the threads going on the Bionic 880 (in

lymenet), a machine that uses infrared to deliver photons to the

body, using homeopathic nosodes of borrelia in different potencies,

you may be missing a big info.

The word is cure for lyme. Believe it or not, the source seems to be

very trustful. It's a doctor in Germany, not too far from my place,

that have been using such photon therapy for about a decade, he had

published some papers and often presents results about chronic lyme

treatment in conferences.

He's NOT after the money as he charges only 125 euro for a first

visit, then 80 euro for each treatment (total of 10). In about 2

weeks, the patient is out of the critical phase of lyme, some need 3

weeks, and the rate of success is more than 95%. So yes, the

treatment is very cheap for lyme standards. With less than 1,000 euro

(about 1,500 dollars), the patient is rid of lyme in such as SHORT

period of time!!

Control patients are free of lyme for many years after the treatment,

UNLESS they get re-infected.

The treatment doesn't prevent new infections, it just eliminates

current infection.

It seems that the photons charged with borrelia information will go

exactly where the problem is, will get rid of coinfections altogether

and probably the load of toxins /metals. Too good to believe?

Believe it or not, in the last conference, he said he already treated

2,000 lyme patients. Professor Popp, the scientist that is the most

known for research of biophotons, was present in the last conference

and they are probably going to publish a paper on that together soon.

NASA has been researching and using photon therapy on astronauts, it

seems, some papers also have been released on that.

Groups of people trying to import the machine (the Bionic 880, that

costs about 10,000 dollars) have been forming in certain areas, so

that treatment costs get down. If you're interested, get to lymenet

and contact the people. The machine is only available in Germany.

I haven't used it YET, so I'm not promising anything, I'm just

passing the info (that as I said, seems very trustful) to you all.

I need to get 2 whole weeks of vacation, get to the place as I don't

want to drive 5 hours every day, as the doctor that uses it is about

2.5 hours from my place) or find another practioner to try this. And

save some money to get treated, as I'll need to pay a hotel.

I'm currently on a lyme relapse, it is under control, but the

infection is still active. I would like to get rid of this for good.

Selma

June 13, 2008

>

Hi Anne, out of curiosity can you post their website in Nottingham?

I'd just like to read a little more about it. Thanks.

> Hi Selma & Carolyn,

>

> I just wanted to say thanks for posting this, I read the threads on

> Lymenet too and was really intrigued to hear about the Bionic 880

> machine and photon therapy and Dr Woetzel's success in treating his

> lyme patients. I do agree with you Carolyn though that you would

> think that we would have heard more about this with such a high

> success rate wouldnt you? I wonder how much success he has with

> patients with chronic neuro lyme? That would be very interesting to

> know. Anyway I googled it to find out more info and I found a

> website that sells the machines and it turns that they are based in

> Nottingham which is where I live! Apparently they are the first

> people to own the machine in the UK so thats very lucky for me! The

> woman who runs the business is not a health practitioner though but

> she is trained to use the machine and is willing to come over to my

> house tomorrow to give me a treatment. I cant wait to see if it

> helps!! I dont know how important it is to use the nosodes too as I

> will be just receiving the treatment from the machine itself but

> we'll see. I will let you know how I get on with it.

>

> I gave her the contact details of the other Lyme docs in the UK

> including the Breakspear, maybe some of them would be interested in

> buying one as they are pretty expensive at £6000! Though as you say

> if it does prove to be very effective it will probably be worth it

> for some people to club together to buy one.

>

> Take care,

>

> Anne

>

June 13, 2008

Id be very careful--I looked at the NASA studies and theyre investigating it for

its use in GROWTH of tissue--as astronauts suffer bone and muscle loss in zero

gravity space theyre trying to prevent that.

the studies seem to say it promotes growth of tissue and may speed wound healing

but there are also warnings about trying to control these effects in a way that

cant be done exact yet--this Bionic 880 craze may have long term effects we cant

yet know

Many of the so called Drs giving testimonials have been hard to contact and some

may not even exist--this gives me pause

and before Selma accuses me of being negative again--we need to approach these

so called miracle cures intelligently--like othes have said--IF it was such a

definite cure-all--we would be hearing PROVEN results--much of the pain relief (

while welcome) may simply be a function of the heat/spectrum of light and not

necessarly curative.

anyone over at Lymenet being allowed to post these concerns???? anyone delving

into the long term risks??? or even IF that Drs results are credible?? One

Gynecologist in Lille France claims 90% cure of Lyme patients and yet you cant

find his name?in govt lists of French Drs at ALL---why?????

Interesting and yet " lets wait and see " comes to mind here

Finette

June 13, 2008

No, Selma, I am not familiar with Nosodes. & nbsp; What are they and where do you

get them? & nbsp; I do all my healing from the Healing Lyme book.

& nbsp;

I got some pain pills today to take me though till my appointment in 11 days.

& nbsp;

Jim.

###

From: selmanaka & lt;hardynaka@... & gt;

Subject: [ ] Re: Bionic 880, a wonder cure for lyme?

Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 4:10 PM

Hi everybody, I hope this is really a good hope for people.

I've just read a second thread, less positive though, with a German

woman that is more skeptical.

Let's see what this machine will really do.

Jim, as for the test, no idea. Sorry. Have you tried some borrelia

nosodes for the pain? I'm also with muscle pain, some joint pain, and

the herbs were not enough, I just added again homeopathic nosodes of

borrelia and I think it's already making effect.

Selma

June 13, 2008

> >

> Hi Anne, out of curiosity can you post their website in Nottingham?

> I'd just like to read a little more about it. Thanks.

>

> > Hi Selma & Carolyn,

> >

> > I just wanted to say thanks for posting this, I read the threads on

> > Lymenet too and was really intrigued to hear about the Bionic 880

> > machine and photon therapy and Dr Woetzel's success in treating his

> > lyme patients. I do agree with you Carolyn though that you would

> > think that we would have heard more about this with such a high

> > success rate wouldnt you? I wonder how much success he has with

> > patients with chronic neuro lyme? That would be very interesting to

> > know. Anyway I googled it to find out more info and I found a

> > website that sells the machines and it turns that they are based in

> > Nottingham which is where I live! Apparently they are the first

> > people to own the machine in the UK so thats very lucky for me! The

> > woman who runs the business is not a health practitioner though but

> > she is trained to use the machine and is willing to come over to my

> > house tomorrow to give me a treatment. I cant wait to see if it

> > helps!! I dont know how important it is to use the nosodes too as I

> > will be just receiving the treatment from the machine itself but

> > we'll see. I will let you know how I get on with it.

> >

> > I gave her the contact details of the other Lyme docs in the UK

> > including the Breakspear, maybe some of them would be interested in

> > buying one as they are pretty expensive at £6000! Though as you say

> > if it does prove to be very effective it will probably be worth it

> > for some people to club together to buy one.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

June 13, 2008

Carolyne, Anne, other people wishing to use the machine... I hope you

post your experiences, good or bad.

We need the info to decide. It doesn't cost a lot to get treated, but

it's still money and effort to travel, stay on place etc.

I'll have to postpone my treatment as I'll be traveling soon for a

while.

No worry about dr.K. He NOW knows about it, as someone told him. He'll

be coming here again in Europe in November, if he feels this is good,

you can be sure he'll manage to get in touch with the right people. He

knows Prof. Popp, so he just may contact Popp to get more info.

I guess, the Bionic without borrelia nosodes is not what we're looking

for, I mean, at least, that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for

getting rid of borrelia relapses for good.

The machine Bionic is available with a few practioners in Switzerland,

I talked to some, but few know about borrelia treatment. The machine is

used for a great number of ailments, psychological problems etc... The

closer guy I found that treats borrelia with the Bionic was a

naturopath, but he charged 200 euro for a visit. I guess if I get 10

treatments for my current borreliosis, and then treat my daughter,

well, it'll make about 4,000 euro of treatment. The machine costs 6,500

euro... So, it makes me think.

I found another practioner that could let me use his machine for about

100 euro an hour. But he knows nothing about the protocol... so I have

to discover myself, not a good idea either right?

How much do the guys in the UK charge for a visit? Can someone tell

here or in private email? Thanks.

Selma

June 13, 2008

Hi everybody, I hope this is really a good hope for people.

I've just read a second thread, less positive though, with a German

woman that is more skeptical.

Let's see what this machine will really do.

Jim, as for the test, no idea. Sorry. Have you tried some borrelia

nosodes for the pain? I'm also with muscle pain, some joint pain, and

the herbs were not enough, I just added again homeopathic nosodes of

borrelia and I think it's already making effect.

Selma

June 14, 2008

Hi Carolyn and Jill,

Yes that is the website of the company in Nottingham, thanks for

posting that Carolyn!

Take care

Anne x

> > >

> > Hi Anne, out of curiosity can you post their website in

Nottingham?

> > I'd just like to read a little more about it. Thanks.

> >

> > > Hi Selma & Carolyn,

> > >

> > > I just wanted to say thanks for posting this, I read the

threads on

> > > Lymenet too and was really intrigued to hear about the Bionic

880

> > > machine and photon therapy and Dr Woetzel's success in treating

his

> > > lyme patients. I do agree with you Carolyn though that you

would

> > > think that we would have heard more about this with such a high

> > > success rate wouldnt you? I wonder how much success he has with

> > > patients with chronic neuro lyme? That would be very

interesting to

> > > know. Anyway I googled it to find out more info and I found a

> > > website that sells the machines and it turns that they are

based in

> > > Nottingham which is where I live! Apparently they are the

first

> > > people to own the machine in the UK so thats very lucky for

me! The

> > > woman who runs the business is not a health practitioner though

but

> > > she is trained to use the machine and is willing to come over

to my

> > > house tomorrow to give me a treatment. I cant wait to see if it

> > > helps!! I dont know how important it is to use the nosodes too

as I

> > > will be just receiving the treatment from the machine itself but

> > > we'll see. I will let you know how I get on with it.

> > >

> > > I gave her the contact details of the other Lyme docs in the UK

> > > including the Breakspear, maybe some of them would be

interested in

> > > buying one as they are pretty expensive at £6000! Though as

you say

> > > if it does prove to be very effective it will probably be worth

it

> > > for some people to club together to buy one.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> >

>

June 14, 2008

Jim, I don't know where you can buy these there in the US, but I'm

sure it is possible. They are quite inexpensive here in Europe and a

wonderful help when herbs aren't doing all the job.

I used now Borrelia burgdorferi nosodes potency K 200 (I guess you

can find potencies C there easier), so you could try either the 30 C

or 200 C, as your infection is now fresh from new tick bite.

They did help, I think. Today, almost no muscle pain again. I take

these once a day, under the tongue, before I take anything else.

Another herb that is testing for me is isatis. I do a decoction,

about 20 minutes, 1stchinese has it too. It doesn't match to be taken

with Buhner's herbs simultaneously, so I'm just substituting one

intake (before bedtime) to isatis instead of Buhner's.

Selma

> No, Selma, I am not familiar with Nosodes. & nbsp; What are they and

where do you get them? & nbsp; I do all my healing from the Healing

Lyme book.

> & nbsp;

> I got some pain pills today to take me though till my appointment

in 11 days.

> & nbsp;

> Jim.

> ###

>

> From: selmanaka hardynaka@...

> Subject: [ ] Re: Bionic 880, a wonder cure for lyme?

>

> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 4:10 PM

>

> Hi everybody, I hope this is really a good hope for people.

>

> I've just read a second thread, less positive though, with a German

> woman that is more skeptical.

>

> Let's see what this machine will really do.

>

> Jim, as for the test, no idea. Sorry. Have you tried some borrelia

> nosodes for the pain? I'm also with muscle pain, some joint pain,

and

> the herbs were not enough, I just added again homeopathic nosodes

of

> borrelia and I think it's already making effect.

>

> Selma

>

June 14, 2008

Hi Selma:

& nbsp; I will have to look into that and see.

& nbsp;

& nbsp; Right now, I took a Tetracycline this morning with a glass of milk about

an hour before my meal. & nbsp; As last year I was able to take a low dose of

Amoxicillin that way for another infection, (Prostatitis), and wasn't too bad on

my stomach. & nbsp; THese Tetra's expired in December, but thought I would try

them anyway and see IF it will help in the pain at all.

& nbsp;

I checked the net this morning for Bartonella and found out that it is a kissing

cousin of Brucellosis, and I have been worried about Brucellosis, as my older

goat got sick early this spring and kept getting worse and worse for over two

months and I finally put her down. & nbsp; Hated to, even though she was the nasty

one, but I hated to see her suffer so much for so long. & nbsp; At the end, she

was not only real listless like she had been for two months, but she had bad

diarrhea and eyes were running bad and she would hardly eat. & nbsp; Just want to

lay in the barn all the time.

& nbsp;

It worried me that the other two, or myself would get whatever she had. & nbsp;

Brucellosis is very common with goats, but not much for people, but we can get

it from them. & nbsp; Although I didn't have much contact with them, I did pet

them once in awhile, and feeding them, etc..

So far the younger two seem healthy.

& nbsp;

I also thought that tick that bit me, could have come off of her too, you never

know.

& nbsp;

After reading up on Bart and Brucellosis today, I decided not to wait till the

stupid doctors do something, even though I don't have the recommended abx for

the two bacteria, at least I am doing something. & nbsp; I also have a bottle of

Bactrim that I never used as one of the side effects can be death, so that

scared me, so I never used it. & nbsp; It expires in September. & nbsp; Don't know

if it would be any good for what I have now anyway.

& nbsp;

I guess Rifampicin, Amoxicillin, Cipro and some others work according to some

studies, but another study says only Aminoglycosides and to a lesser degree Doxy

do any real good against both Brucella and Bartonella. & nbsp; The others work

until you quit them and then you have a relapse as both diseases can reproduce

inside a cell that abx for the most part can't touch.

& nbsp;

Will see what transpires in the near future and hope for the best, I guess.

& nbsp;

Jim.

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From: selmanaka & lt;hardynaka@... & gt;

Subject: [ ] Re: Bionic 880, a wonder cure for lyme?

Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 1:19 PM