Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Sugar, especially in the amounts most Americans eat, which on average is almost a half a pound of sugar per DAY! is bad, bad, bad! (When Colombus discovered America, people were eating only 4 lbs of sugar per year!) These high amounts age skin, contribute to diabetes, and feed all kinds of organisms in us. There are actually 10 times more bacteria living in and on us than we have body cells. Most of these bacteria are in our gut, and about 85% of them (the good ones) are helping us digest our food and make vitamins. Those good 85% help keep the bad 15% from getting out of control. If you are on antibiotic therapy, you are killing the bad organisms (YaY!) but you are also killing the good ones (BOOOO!). This allows the yeast to grow and boy can they party! And what do yeast LOVE to eat? You guessed it. SUGAR! Now you have to remember that what carbs are are sugars in long, long chains, maybe up to 500-1000 sugar units long. So when you are eating carbs like rice, potatoes, bread, etc, they will eventually get broken down into the same sugars that yeast and other organisms like to eat. The difference is the time factor. It takes a long time to break up these chains, so you don't get the same hit as if you drink a sugary drink or eat sugary food. Table sugar is only 2 sugar units hooked together and it takes only a split second for them to become unhooked. Some drinks and other items have fructose or glucose in them which are single sugars to begin with. I lost 10 lbs just by cutting sugar out. It was hard but I feel better and look better, not just weight wise but skin wise too. If you are skinny make up for it by eating coconut oil or some other fat. (No, fat is not the main culprit in making you fat, sugar is converted to fat and makes you fat). So the bottom line is, for better health in general but especially when you are trying to get well and avoid a yeast infection, cut way way down, if not completely out on sugar. See if your MD will prescribe an antifungal while you are on antibiotics. I heard that antifungals help soften the lyme spores so they will be more susceptible to the antibiotic. Take lots of probiotics to help keep the yeast suppressed. > > i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > > What is good diet for Lymes patients. > > Tlhanks > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 my daughter is 5 feet and weighs 99 pounds and is a student now. what foods are good to eat that are quick that won't cause much weight loss? if anyone has a list of specific brands of food it would be greatly appreciated. I'm staying with her for a little bit to try to help her...I live in another state. thanks [ ] Re: Diet for Lyme Sugar, especially in the amounts most Americans eat, which on average is almost a half a pound of sugar per DAY! is bad, bad, bad! (When Colombus discovered America, people were eating only 4 lbs of sugar per year!) These high amounts age skin, contribute to diabetes, and feed all kinds of organisms in us. There are actually 10 times more bacteria living in and on us than we have body cells. Most of these bacteria are in our gut, and about 85% of them (the good ones) are helping us digest our food and make vitamins. Those good 85% help keep the bad 15% from getting out of control. If you are on antibiotic therapy, you are killing the bad organisms (YaY!) but you are also killing the good ones (BOOOO!). This allows the yeast to grow and boy can they party! And what do yeast LOVE to eat? You guessed it. SUGAR! Now you have to remember that what carbs are are sugars in long, long chains, maybe up to 500-1000 sugar units long. So when you are eating carbs like rice, potatoes, bread, etc, they will eventually get broken down into the same sugars that yeast and other organisms like to eat. The difference is the time factor. It takes a long time to break up these chains, so you don't get the same hit as if you drink a sugary drink or eat sugary food. Table sugar is only 2 sugar units hooked together and it takes only a split second for them to become unhooked. Some drinks and other items have fructose or glucose in them which are single sugars to begin with. I lost 10 lbs just by cutting sugar out. It was hard but I feel better and look better, not just weight wise but skin wise too. If you are skinny make up for it by eating coconut oil or some other fat. (No, fat is not the main culprit in making you fat, sugar is converted to fat and makes you fat). So the bottom line is, for better health in general but especially when you are trying to get well and avoid a yeast infection, cut way way down, if not completely out on sugar. See if your MD will prescribe an antifungal while you are on antibiotics. I heard that antifungals help soften the lyme spores so they will be more susceptible to the antibiotic. Take lots of probiotics to help keep the yeast suppressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Here are some links on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Basically, it is grain- lactose- and starch-free... With STRICT adherence, it will starve out all the bad cooties! People with Celiac disease, Crohn's/Colitis/IBS, autism, MS, heavy metal toxicity and schizophrenia (all of which have been linked to LYME) are benefiting from SCD. I have been on it for over 4 weeks and it is helping me a lot. It actually caused me to herx when I first started but now I feel great. I eat about 80% fruits and veggies -the rest is nuts, eggs, fish (meats are allowed, as long as they are natural & unprocessed), hard cheeses, lentils and homemade yogourt. Baked goods are made from almond flour (or other nut flour). Honey is the only sweetener allowed. I am using manuka honey, for it's anti-bacterial properties. main site: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/index.htm more info and recipes: http://www.scdrecipe.com/home/ http://www.scdiet.org/ autism and scd: http://www.pecanbread.com/ BB/Ellen > > i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > > What is good diet for Lymes patients. > > Tlhanks > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Thanks for all of that valuable information! I've had to be gluten free for many years now--just another symptom I never connected with Lyme. Still I'm not on a strict diet like this. Went on something like it once and I did herx. Might be worth trying again. I would add, it's probably best to be alcohol-free, too, sadly. aluta <b_blackthorn70@...> wrote: Here are some links on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Basically, it > is grain- lactose- and starch-free... With STRICT adherence, it will > starve out all the bad cooties! People with Celiac disease, > Crohn's/Colitis/IBS, autism, MS, heavy metal toxicity and > schizophrenia (all of which have been linked to LYME) are benefiting > from SCD. I have been on it for over 4 weeks and it is helping me a > lot. It actually caused me to herx when I first started but now I > feel great. > > I eat about 80% fruits and veggies -the rest is nuts, eggs, fish > (meats are allowed, as long as they are natural & unprocessed), hard > cheeses, lentils and homemade yogourt. Baked goods are made from > almond flour (or other nut flour). Honey is the only sweetener > allowed. I am using manuka honey, for it's anti-bacterial properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Ellen, Doesn't honey defeat the purpose of the diet? it converts to sugar quickly, no? Steve On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:28 PM, b_blackthorn70 wrote: > Here are some links on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Basically, it > is grain- lactose- and starch-free... With STRICT adherence, it will > starve out all the bad cooties! People with Celiac disease, > Crohn's/Colitis/IBS, autism, MS, heavy metal toxicity and > schizophrenia (all of which have been linked to LYME) are benefiting > from SCD. I have been on it for over 4 weeks and it is helping me a > lot. It actually caused me to herx when I first started but now I > feel great. > > I eat about 80% fruits and veggies -the rest is nuts, eggs, fish > (meats are allowed, as long as they are natural & unprocessed), hard > cheeses, lentils and homemade yogourt. Baked goods are made from > almond flour (or other nut flour). Honey is the only sweetener > allowed. I am using manuka honey, for it's anti-bacterial properties. > > main site: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/index.htm > > more info and recipes: > http://www.scdrecipe.com/home/ > http://www.scdiet.org/ > > autism and scd: > http://www.pecanbread.com/ > > BB/Ellen > > >> >> i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar >> because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. >> >> What is good diet for Lymes patients. >> >> Tlhanks >> Ellen >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these > locations: > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > > The book, Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic by Pamela > Weintraub is now > available for purchase. Please visit the official website at > http://cureunknown.com/index.html for more information. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 i thought no fruits...one doc said only fruit allowed is a grapefruit but then i worry about how grapefruit interferes with necessary meds like meds to raise blood pressure thanks [ ] Re: Diet for Lyme Here are some links on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Basically, it is grain- lactose- and starch-free. .. With STRICT adherence, it will starve out all the bad cooties! People with Celiac disease, Crohn's/Colitis/ IBS, autism, MS, heavy metal toxicity and schizophrenia (all of which have been linked to LYME) are benefiting from SCD. I have been on it for over 4 weeks and it is helping me a lot. It actually caused me to herx when I first started but now I feel great. I eat about 80% fruits and veggies -the rest is nuts, eggs, fish (meats are allowed, as long as they are natural & unprocessed) , hard cheeses, lentils and homemade yogourt. Baked goods are made from almond flour (or other nut flour). Honey is the only sweetener allowed. I am using manuka honey, for it's anti-bacterial properties. main site: http://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/index. htm more info and recipes: http://www.scdrecip e.com/home/ http://www.scdiet. org/ autism and scd: http://www.pecanbre ad.com/ BB/Ellen > > i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > > What is good diet for Lymes patients. > > Tlhanks > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 The theory behind the diet (which was developed by a doctor), is that monosaccharides (honey is one) are easily absorbed by the gi tract whereas di- and polysaccharides (found in grains, fluid milk, cane sugar and potatoes) are not and consequently wind up feeding the bad bacteria in the gut. Honey can be limited, if one wants. I mainly use it for baking, instead of sugar. BB/Ellen > >> > >> i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > >> because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > >> > >> What is good diet for Lymes patients. > >> > >> Tlhanks > >> Ellen > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme > > Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of these > > locations: > > http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d > > > > The book, Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic by Pamela > > Weintraub is now > > available for purchase. Please visit the official website at > > http://cureunknown.com/index.html for more information. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Hi all, This is something I keep trying to work on, cutting sugar out. I normally don't even eat much in the way of sweets. But naturally when trying to cut them out, the cravings kick in... aaaah! I just can't get past the hurdle. Does anyone know of a really good website or book or some sort of tool that may make cutting sugar out a little easier? Something that may have really helped you do it? I've checked out a couple websites, but the list of foods you shouldn't eat for candida diets is intimidating, at least at the stage I'm at. There has to be a way to do it somewhat gradually with a little guidance that may potentially help me stick to the plan. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks! Tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 I've wondered about this and I think it could be that the CSD is either for gut dybosis and not candida specifically, or that the theory is that the fruite sugars and honey are absorbed quickly and efficiently with the starches and complex? sugars out of the gut. Sal > > > > i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > > because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > > > > What is good diet for Lymes patients. > > > > Tlhanks > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 You are correct on both counts Sal. Dr. Haas originally designed the diet for people with Celiac/malabsorbtion issues, not candida. I'm sure a low-sugar version of SCD could be good for candida too. I started looking into the diet because I was suffering from vitamin deficiencies due to gluten intolerance (I am not sure if Lyme caused this or not). I had chronic painful sores in the corners of my mouth (my LLMD told me this is called " cheilosis " and is due to b-vitamin deficiency). I went on the diet 4.5 weeks ago and VOILA! mouth sores are gone! I have been suffering with them on/off for 15 years. This last time I had them for 8 months. Lo and behold, many of my Lyme symptoms (fascsiculations, hyperacusis, photophobia, insomnia, panic attacks) are also getting better with SCD... I guess this is how they discovered SCD's effect on autism: autistic kids usually have gi issues. Parent puts kid on SCD in hopes of healing the tummy and then their autism begins to reverse. > > > > > > i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > > > because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > > > > > > What is good diet for Lymes patients. > > > > > > Tlhanks > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 > > Hi all, > > This is something I keep trying to work on, cutting sugar out. I normally don't even eat much in the way of sweets. But naturally when trying to cut them out, the cravings kick in... aaaah! I just can't get past the hurdle. Does anyone know of a really good website or book or some sort of tool that may make cutting sugar out a little easier? Something that may have really helped you do it? I've checked out a couple websites, but the list of foods you shouldn't eat for candida diets is intimidating, at least at the stage I'm at. There has to be a way to do it somewhat gradually with a little guidance that may potentially help me stick to the plan. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. > Thanks! > Tiff > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Wow. Amazing. Thank for sharing that. I'm glad it has worked so well for you.:-) I tried it for a while and it helped me. Lost 30 pounds because of gluten it seems and possibly candida exacerbated by the 4.5 mponths I had on abx. When I felt better, I added some graines back in sparingly (for better or worse...). I do wonder how much gut dyboisis and resulting malabsorption play in how sick we get. New doctor today.. different focus than others (so grateful and tired of all the docs).. when he tested my reflexes, not only did my joint react almost violently.. my whole body reacted. He says magnesium and a this point I dont really doubt it. So drips for me and we shall see. he also has no problem with salt c unlike doctor #1 who also does not like magnesium drips.:-) Sal > > > > > > > > i have read that if you Lyme's that it is not good to eat sugar > > > > because the spirokettes love it. Is this true. > > > > > > > > What is good diet for Lymes patients. > > > > > > > > Tlhanks > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I had no choice because my body crashed. When I do eat sugar now, I pay for it. If you can set yourself a sweat it out time frame and tell yourself you can renegotiate after that? Knowing it is not forever... its an experiment... then maybe it will be easier to get started and then go from there. ?? You can try the CSD and only cut out grains.. that was intimidating as well, but the idea of being able to eat fruit sure was helpful to me. Then I did go without the fruits for a while as well.. back on a little on both and considering if that is working for me. Sal > > Hi all, > > This is something I keep trying to work on, cutting sugar out. I normally don't even eat much in the way of sweets. But naturally when trying to cut them out, the cravings kick in... aaaah! I just can't get past the hurdle. Does anyone know of a really good website or book or some sort of tool that may make cutting sugar out a little easier? Something that may have really helped you do it? I've checked out a couple websites, but the list of foods you shouldn't eat for candida diets is intimidating, at least at the stage I'm at. There has to be a way to do it somewhat gradually with a little guidance that may potentially help me stick to the plan. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. > Thanks! > Tiff > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Mmmm, that does sound good! I haven't tried xylitol yet, but will definitely do so. Thanks so much for the tips! Tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Sal, I will have to give that a try. I was trying to do it without thinking too hard about it so I wouldn't have a constant reminder that I had cut something major out of my diet. Well, that obviously isn't working, lol. I'm definitely going to have to be a little more strategic than I have been. Thanks! Tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 > > Mmmm, that does sound good! I haven't tried xylitol yet, but will definitely do so. > Thanks so much for the tips! > Tiff > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 -Be careful with xylitol - it can cause diarrhea. But it is delicious. -- In , Tiff <bestel63@...> wrote: > > Mmmm, that does sound good! I haven't tried xylitol yet, but will definitely do so. > Thanks so much for the tips! > Tiff > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Carolyn, That's great if it really tastes like sugar! I'm currently using Nustevia which is fine in my oatmeal if I don't over sprinkle. But I can't wait to give the Xylitol a try. The fact that you can substitute it weight for weight will be a nice advantage as well. Thx! Tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Liz, This is good to know. But it seems that nothing gives me diarrhea as I have a real issue with chronic constipation. I take several supplements that should cause diarrhea at the dose I take and they've had no effect as far as that goes. But I will watch out for that just in case. Thx! Tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 > > Carolyn, > That's great if it really tastes like sugar! I'm currently using Nustevia which is fine in my oatmeal if I don't over sprinkle. But I can't wait to give the Xylitol a try. The fact that you can substitute it weight for weight will be a nice advantage as well. > Thx! > Tiff > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 So, does everyone here really abstain from sugar, alcohol, and caffeine? Do you strictly curtail your carbs? I'm having trouble with my will power, except with the alcohol. I wasn't eating a lot of sugar and carbs, and I have been gluten-free for years, but giving up what's left seems hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 My husband and I, both with Lyme, have had a hard time, but we find symptoms so much exacerbated by it all, that we have completely cut out alcohol and most carbs, all sugar, and he's completely cut out caffeine. I have cut down from 3 small cups of coffee to 1 small cup each morning. I can't give that last one up. On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:46 AM, aluta_gaia wrote: > So, does everyone here really abstain from sugar, alcohol, and > caffeine? Do you strictly curtail your carbs? I'm having trouble with > my will power, except with the alcohol. I wasn't eating a lot of sugar > and carbs, and I have been gluten-free for years, but giving up what's > left seems hard. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 There's no way i would voluntarily stick to any lyme or candida diet--- but i have no choice! All of a sudden in the last few days i have bad yeast-in-gut problems,. so i don't dare eat that piece of bread,--- it means 5 or 6 hours of brainfog and fear of yeast-in-brain. How can i tell if it's candida yeast or Saccharomyces boulardii? I don't have any candida anywhere else. And i was taking a lot of saccharomyces boulardii in last few weeks to stop diarrhea. Once 4 yrs ago, i told my LLMD that i was taking Saccharomyces boulardii, and he warned me something about it invading the body--- i thought that would only be in AIDS patients! --purple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I've been off sugar, alchohol, and caffeine for a year and a half. I did start back on green tea a couple months ago (which has a small amount of caffeine), but the benefits outweigh the caff here. It's antidepressant and antinflammatory and antioxidant. It's been very helpful. I use Agave sweetener in place of sugar because it has a much lower glycemic index, and i use it sparingly. I have serious adrenal problems, and this change has helped that. I was never way into sugar, but it's amazing how many foods they sneak it into, so you have to check the labels carefully, and recognize all the pseudonyms for sugar. I used to use honey in place of sugar, but it really still messes with your blood sugar and adrenals. Agave is VERY helpful. You have to make your own things, it's true, but at least then you get a chance to use organic ingredients, etc. Of course i have been chronically fatigued for a year and a half, and adrenally deficient, which is miserable, so i'm desperate, so it's not so difficult to be vigilant about all this, like it seemed when i was healthier. NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 > > So, does everyone here really abstain from sugar, alcohol, and > caffeine? Do you strictly curtail your carbs? I'm having trouble with > my will power, except with the alcohol. I wasn't eating a lot of sugar > and carbs, and I have been gluten-free for years, but giving up what's > left seems hard. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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