bartonella

[Guest guest]

Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone has had success or some success with

Bartonella? I know it is tough to get rid of. Thanks for any

advice. Ruth

[Guest guest]

 yes i had some success for bartonella. i have used rifampin 600mg and levaquin

about 3 weeks. first two weeks my anxiety and panic atac showed to increase. i

would to quit to treatment almost. but at this moment i am better.my anxiety

panic atak and depression  decreased and my stamina and attention increased. my

bartonella test was negative. my lyme partially improved with treatment and then

improvement  remained fixed.  i think reason is co enfection. ahmet

From: Ruth <ruthar@...>

Subject: [ ] bartonella

Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 11:53 AM

Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone has had success or some success with

Bartonella? I know it is tough to get rid of. Thanks for any

advice. Ruth

[Guest guest]

Hi Hope,

I think selma used phyllodendron and gardenia, and others. She cured her bart.

You should search on selma's long, long original protocols.

She used to post here as selmanaka or hardynaka.

I could actually pull her quotes up from my archives if i had to.

----purpleffoxglove

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From: hope0073 <hope0073@...>

Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 11:33:27 AM

Subject: [ ] Bartonella

I saw on Planet Thrive site that Buhner says he doesn't have recommended herbs

for bart...I see that Zhang and other sources use houttinyia.

So what are you all using?

Hope

[Guest guest]

This would probably be helpful as well.

Four Herbs for Busting a Bartonella Infection

For people with stubborn Bartonella by Greg Lee / Two Frogs Healing

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Did you ever have a class clown in your school? In my class, I had a kid

named that would interrupt the teacher with his silly questions.

He also brought in bugs and lizards that he found on his way to school.

He was sent almost every week to the principal's office for his

disruptive behavior.

How is a class clown like a Bartonella infection?

Bartonella disrupts your body with its toxins

Just like a class clown, Bartonella symptoms can be annoying to

downright disruptive to how you feel. This infection is also called " cat

scratch fever, " because you can get it from an infected cat as well as

ticks.

Many people report symptoms of burning feet, legs, and arms. Others

report pains that feel like electrical zaps. In Chinese medicine, these

symptoms are caused by " fire toxins. " When these toxins affect the skin,

they produce red rashes that can look like long thin streaks. Patients

also report increased bouts of anxiety, irritability, and brain fog.

Certain foods trigger a flare-up of these symptoms.

Oils and sweets increase Bartonella brain fog symptoms

Eating foods like greasy meats, ice cream, and sweet fruits have

increased symptoms of burning and brain fog in patients. Limiting or

eliminating these trigger foods out of your diet helps to reduce

Bartonella symptoms. Lyme literate medical practitioners describe

challenges with Bartonella persisting despite antibiotic treatment.

Bartonella can be very difficult to get completely out of your body

Patients on months or years of medications can still have symptoms. It

hides in your blood cells. It also suppresses your immune system, which

makes Bartonella even harder to get out of your body.

When your immune system is suppressed, clearing other infections like

Lyme disease becomes much more difficult. This is a reason why some Lyme

literate medical practitioners talk about eliminating Bartonella before

other co-infections. What else besides drugs can help you eliminate a

Bartonella infection?

There are four herbs that help to significantly reduce the prickly,

burning symptoms of Bartonella

When these four herbs are added to an anti-Bartonella herb formula, the

burning hot symptoms, rashes, and brain fog are significantly reduced

and sometimes eliminated completely.

Herb #1: Folium Artemisia Argyi, Chinese name: Ai Ye1

The properties of this herb are warming, stop bleeding, and treat pain

due to cold in the lower abdomen. It is used to treat malaria, so it may

also be effective against Babesia. Research shows that it inhibits the

growth of these infections: anthrax, strep, staph, diphtheria,

pneumonia, and bacterial dysentery. There are no documented

contraindications with existing medications at this time.

It is added to herb formulas to see if it will kill Bartonella. A

ground form of this herb, called moxa, is also burned topically over

symptomatic areas to expel Bartonella symptoms near the surface of the

skin.

Herb #2: Dryopteridis, Chinese name: Guan Zhong2

The properties of this herb are bitter and cool. It is used to kill

parasites, clear heat, and eliminate toxins. It also treats and prevents

bacterial and viral infections. It was used historically for expelling

demons. Research shows that it inhibits dysentery, salmonella,

pseudonomas, meningitis, and S. Aureus. It strongly inhibits viruses:

influenza, adenovirus, encephalitis B, and herpes simplex. It also

inhibits the growth of abnormal masses of tissue. It is added to herb

formulas to see if it will kill Bartonella and neutralize its toxins.

Overdosing of this herb can have certain side effects: nausea, vomiting,

abdominal pain, diarrhea, headache, tremors, or gastrointestinal

irritation. It is contraindicated during pregnancy. There are no

documented contraindications with existing medications at this time.

Herb #3: Chinese Nut Galls, Chinese name: Wu Bei Zi3

The properties of this herb are salty, sour, and cold. It is used to

treat chronic diarrhea, dysentery, and rectal prolapse. It is also used

to treat night fevers, irritability, and excess sweating. It also stops

bleeding, eliminates toxins, and reduces swelling. It has anti-candida

properties. It is added to see if it will neutralize Bartonella toxins.

Use with caution with signs of heat, symptoms of sharp stabbing pain,

or patients with palpable masses. Caution: this herb has a strong

binding affinity and should be taken 2 hours before or after taking any

medication.

Herb #4: Lycopus, bugleweed, Chinese name: Ze Lan4

The properties of this herb are bitter, acrid, and slightly warm. It is

used to increase blood circulation and to provide internal warmth along

acupuncture meridians. It is used to treat chest pain, hypochondriac

pain, and back pain due to traumatic injuries. It regulates water

circulation and reduces swelling. It is to be used with caution in

patients with anemia.

Since this herb has diuretic properties, is to be used with caution with

diuretic medications. There are no documented contraindications with

existing medications at this time. It is added to herb formulas to see

if it will expel or kill Bartonella hiding in blood cells.

How do you know that these herbs are working to kill off your Bartonella

infection?

Patients report a significant reduction of Bartonella symptoms

After taking these and other anti-Bartonella, anti-toxin, and immune

enhancing herbs, patients have reported that their brain fog has been

eliminated completely and burning symptoms have been reduced to a minor

prickly feeling in as little as four months. Patients then test

themselves to see if Bartonella is hiding out somewhere in their body.

Patients eat trigger foods to test if Bartonella has gone away

In the beginning of treatment, patients are observing the foods that

increase their symptoms. When they are symptom free, they go back and

eat the foods that triggered their symptoms. Patients feel that their

infection is nearly gone when they are able to eat foods like sweet

fruits, greasy meats, and ice cream without a flare up of symptoms.

The right herb combination can help you to bust up a Bartonella

infection

Just like sending the class clown to the principal's office, the proper

combination of herbs helps you to eliminate a disruptive Bartonella

infection. Since some of these herbs come with cautions on their use,

work with a Lyme literate herbalist to develop a proper, safe, and

effective herbal strategy for your condition. Once you are clear of your

infection, you can go back to enjoying your yummy foods without fear of

recurring Bartonella symptoms.

References:

1. Chen, K., and Tina T. Chen. 2004. Chinese Medical Herbology and

Pharmacology. City of Industry CA: Art of Medicine Press, Inc., p.

600-602

2. Chen, K., and Tina T. Chen. 2004. Chinese Medical Herbology and

Pharmacology. City of Industry CA: Art of Medicine Press, Inc., p.554

-555

3. Chen, K., and Tina T. Chen. 2004. Chinese Medical Herbology and

Pharmacology. City of Industry CA: Art of Medicine Press, Inc., p.

990-992

4. Chen, K., and Tina T. Chen. 2004. Chinese Medical Herbology and

Pharmacology. City of Industry CA: Art of Medicine Press, Inc., p. 647

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> Hi Hope,

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> I think selma used phyllodendron and gardenia, and others.

[Guest guest]

Here's a quote from Farah, from lymenet archives, www.lymenet.org, mentioning

Bartonella:

Cinnamon oil and sandalwood oil both have activity against Lyme, and probably

co-infections as well.

Cinnamon oil can be an irritant on the skin, and would probably have to be very

diluted before ingesting, probably a 2-5% instead of a 15% dilution.

People do ingest cinnamon oil all the time as flavorings in toothpaste, teas,

candies, and other foods.

A lot of the essential oils are originally from food or herbs but they are

much, much, more concentrated, which is why they need to be diluted before

using, either topically or internally.

Lemon essential oil is from lemon zest, which is a commonly used in flavoring

foods. Peppermint oil is from mint leaves that are used in tea. It is important

to know how to use these oils, but once you do, it opens up a whole range of

possibilities with treating Lyme and other infectious diseases.

I think it is sad that people as a whole don't know more about the power of

essential oils. People are all stressed about stockpiling Tamiflu for the bird

flu, but I think essential oils are far more likely to be helpful if an

epidemic like that breaks out than Tamiflu, which may do nothing other than

make some drug companies rich.

Again, it is important to use these oils properly diluted because they are

strong.

I don't use Young Living oils, but I do think that some of the books Young

published are useful, mainly because he seems to have translated a lot of the

information available in French on essential oil research into English.

I prefer to use wildcrafted or organic oils when possible, especially for

ingestion, but I have honestly safely ingested the oils from the health food

store as well. I have been my own guinea pig, though, so I try to be more

conservative in my advice to others about their situations.

I am finding Bay Laurel essential oil and hydrosol to work fairly well in

combination with the other oils I have used for Bartonella. It gets the

lymphatic system moving, and it has activity against gram negative bacteria.

I am quite healthy, but have still had some itching burning sensations in the

skin, a few swollen lymph nodes, and some odd rashes, and taking the bay laurel

now seems to be clearing all of these things up more, and making me mildly

herxy, which I haven't been in a while.

Farah

[Guest guest]

Here's a short quote from selma mentioning Bart; sorry, i thought i could pull

up her whole protocol from my archives; i'll maybe look some more:

I had a few heart symptoms, and I also feared for my life. So many other people

here in this forum are in the same boat from this woman. Others with the brain

totally being eaten alive.

Maybe not only from borrelia, but believe me, bartonella without borrelia is

soooo much easier to deal with. My daugther caught bart twice, once with

borrelia, another without. With borrelia, her whole treatment was a hell, it

lasted 5 months of pure hell, bartonella was testing until the end togehter

with borrelia.

Second bite, without borrelia, her bart disappeared with light homeopathics

(like Apisinum or so) and the KMT a couple of times in a matter of few days.

Third bite again, without borrelia, the treatment was difficult because she

caught TBE, but if she had caught borrelia, I believe she was not going to have

left without permanent neurological damages. She left this strong viral

infection without permanent problems.---selma

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[Guest guest]

Here's a quote about selma's herbs; sorry, it was phellodendron, not

phyllodendron:

Some people are writing me to ask what I took for bartonella. I'm just

copy-pasting what I wrote in Buhner's forum. Remember this was 'created' by

myself only using energetic testing (kinesiology). I'm not a doctor.

I suffered from chronic bartonella since 2005, got reinfected recently in May

with acute bart.

I thought I got rid of it, but yesterday I went to my lyme doctor who also does

energetic testing (ART) and he couldn't find it initially. I told him, 'check

if they're not hiding'.

He couldn't find borrelia, nor bart, nor mycoplasma, babesia, intestinal

candida, nothing. He then checked at the back of my skull and then found

finally: bartonella, borrelia and ehrlichia. Nowhere else in my body, he could

find tick-born pathogens.

He was amazed to see how well I got, he said he thought I was going to fall

downwards after the recent reinfection. He said he's NEVER seen someone with

chronic lyme getting better so fast after reinfection like I did. I feel great,

I'm hiking and kayaking again!

My killing protocol was designed this time 100% by myself, only using

kinesiology.

Anyway, I'm still not rid of bart, still taking things for it, which I'll add

in the end of this copy-pasted post. I had it all over my body, joints,

muscles, now it's reduced to a small part of my body.

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Here's then my bartonella protocol, aproximately:

- phellodendron, decoction 5-7 minutes: gets bart and many other pathogens

- artemisia annua decoction (separate from other decoctions): about 3 teaspoons

if I remember well: cook it for a while (about 5 minutes?):

it gets bart.

- astragalus test good against bart: I took decoctions and/ or Planetary

formula (about 1-2 pills a day)

- bee polen: gets bartonela (plus borrelia cysts and bab's cysts); I took if I

remember well, about 2-3 tea spoons a day diluted in water/

soya milk

- lonicerae caulis, decoction 7 minutes: gets bart and babesia (I took it in

the very end only)

- KMT program 1

- frozen garlic: 2 -3 a day (can't remember)

- amargo (rain-tree): gets bart, babesia and borrelia: I think I took about 2

" 00 " capsules a day.

- immunomodulators that may help: cats claw, jap. knotweed

- isatis, folium & forsythia test good against bartonela, but I didn't take

these this time because phelodendron + frozen garlic +

lonicerae were good enough (I didn't need to add isatis/ forsythia).

Remember that I was my own 'doctor', so no one prescribed me these stuff, I

tested amounts by myself and showed to my doctor who told

me: " Go on " . He re-tested for me (ART) the new herbs I never had taken before,

phellodendron tested very good. I'm skinny and very

sensitive to herbs/ medicine, so 'normal' people would need more, I guess.

Very 'constant' herbs in this second reinfection for me were (including other

pathogens, not only for bart though):

- cats claw, whole herb

- Japanese knotweed decoction

- phellodendron

- gardenia

- gervao (rain-tree)

These herbs tested good for a longer period of time (I'm now still on cats

claw, knotweed and gardenia). Andrographis didn't test good,

only for a few days!!! I took it more than a year for my first borrelia

infection and it kept testing good, but not this time!

Selma

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Now (end of August 2007) what is testing against bartonella that I'm taking is:

- Japanese knotweed decoction

- phellodendron decoction

- eleutherococcus in powder (2 teaspoons a day): gets most of the infections

indirectly (it's a profound tonic to the system)

Selma

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I'm just pulling this thread up as people keep asking me what I did for

bartonella.

I attacked bart 3 times. First time was by the end of 2006, but I didn't win

the battle (I was using Rizols and other stuff I forgot, it must be here in

lymenet though). It didn't do the job completely until May 2007, when I was

awarded new bart re-infection....

I naturally fell sick very fast, because the tick bite came fully infected with

ALL pathogens that my doctor tests energetically. My doctor said he has seen

that before, so I didn't win a troffee.

Then I decided to go on an emergency attack as I naturally got scared, as I

felt quite sick again and that's what I wrote here up in this thread.

I got rid of bart then chronic + acute infection with this treatment above. It

took sometime, but not too long as I was expecting. Then I went into remission

of lyme and co-infections for about 4 months.

But bart went away AFTER babesia was gone. I always need to get rid of babesia

first before I get rid of anything else, as I get fully symptomatic of babs and

that knocks me down. That's what I did, and my babesia protocol is also written

here somewhere (under " alternative babesia herbs " or so).

Then about November, after not sleeping more than 4 hours a day for a month due

to a job I was doing at home, I relapsed lightly. From borrelia, bart, and

rickettsia.

But it was very easy to get them again under control, I even didn't address

bart specifically, I was more concerned with rickettsia as it was the only

thing that was giving me symptoms (heart). But fortunately, it was also very

short lived and again, I'm on about a month or more symptomless from lyme and

co-infections.

My only treatment now is a preventive treatment: 1 capsule astragalus AM, 1

capsule cats claw AM, then some supplements just once a day like: chlorella,

propolis drops, calcium, magnesium, Vit D, trace minerals. Sometimes milk

thistle tests, and I take it, but it's about 2-3 times a week only. That's all.

I even got a chronic skin fungal infection under control that I got for more

than a decade (pre-lyme), every winter. Still not sure it's really gone, as I'm

still on foot baths, but I'm symptomless from it (except for a dark purple skin

on previous local of infection on my hands and toes).

I'm doing no anti-candida diet anymore, taking alcohol socially, and I believe,

even if lyme comes back because I do stupid things (like not sleeping for a

month), I feel it won't be a big deal anymore IF treated fast. If untreated,

I'm pretty sure I'll fall very sick again as I still don't trust my immune

system.

My whole bart treatment didn't cost a lot as all these Chinese herbs cost very

little in bulk. It's just time consuming, difficult schedule, but as for cost,

it's reasonably inexpensive.

If anyone is willing to try the herbs, please try to read about them before

and/or get someone to test them energetically. That's what I would do. ---selma

------------------------

Up, as more people asking me what I took for bartonella.

It seems it worked as I don't think I fought bart like I did during this time.

This was then my last fight with bart, that I remember.

I might have gotten it 'testing' one time or another by my lyme doctor, but

assymptomatic and anyway, it went dormant easily.

The time I had to use all these herbs here was definitively what made my

bartonella load very weak or dormant. ---selma

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[Guest guest]

The tick associated strain of Bartonella is different from " cat scratch

disease " . The tick borne pathogen of Bartonella seems to have a fairly distinct

clinical syndrome when it is present in the Lyme patient. BLO infections

indicators are: CNS symptoms such as anxiety, insomnia,

irritability,confusion,cognitive deficits as well as gastric problems, sore

soles, red rashes, enlarged lymph nodes. This is according to Dr. ph

Burrascano. Maud

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> > I am also pretty sure that I have Bartonella. I tried to sell

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> > that to an infectious disease doctor but she actually laughed. " Ticks

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> > do not carry Bartonella! " she cried. When I got home I googled; Ticks

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> > - Bartonella - CDC and sure enough they said that ticks DO CARRY

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> > Bartonella.

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> Ticks carry Bartonella, but some scientists/medics doubt that you can get Bart

from a tick byte. Apparently that has never been proven, although there is lots

of indirect evidence that it happens (e.g. from lymies with coinfections). In my

country (Netherlands) many docs also claim that you can't get Bart from a tick

byte.

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