Re: NutraMedix

[Guest guest]

Thanks Heidi N for responding to my post on NutraMedix's avea. Allergy Research

Group was the first company to manufacture samento also known as prima una de

gato. They don't energize it homeopathically. Allergy Research Group very

clearly describes it at  allergyresearchgroup.com:

 

" Prima Uña de Gato contains cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa) extract standardized

to a minimum of 0.5% pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs), and is 100% free of

tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs). "

 

Since NutraMedix has a proprietary method that they do not describe on their

website, I assume you are guessing that NutraMedix energizes their tinctures

homeopathically? By guessing you are spreading misinformation.If you want to

know, ask. If NutraMedix refuses to disclose their proprietary process, cease

spreading misinformation.

 

Heidi you wrote: " I have actually used Samento, Cumanda and Burbur . . .For my

large family, NutraMedix products are  much stronger, and I only have to use

drops. "

Heidi, much stronger than what? Could you please be specific?

 

NutraMedix is the only manufacturer of cumanda tincture and burbur tincture..

What are you comparing them to? Further, as I previously posted, NutraMedix's

tinctures are neither organic nor fresh. Organic, fresh tinctures are more

potent than dried nonorganic tinctures.

 

Allergy Research Group manufactures samento. Are you saying NutraMedix's samento

is stronger than Allergy Research Group's? Do you know of any research with this

finding? Unfortunately, Allergy Research Group's samento is neither organic nor

fresh.

 

In Healing Lyme, Buhner wrote cat's claw is as potent as samento. Unfortunately,

no herb company makes an organic fresh cat's claw tincture. Gaia and Herb Pharm

make a dried nonorganic cat's claw tincture.  

[Guest guest]

Psychodocmert wrote: " If manufactures had to name their products strictly by the

active

ingredient, labeling would become a nightmare. " No, labeling would not become a

nightmare. Labeling would be understood by everyone.

 

As I previously posted, standard practice is to call a herb by its common name,

latin name or active ingredient. Psychodocmert wrote turmeric has 40 common

names. Internationally, turmeric may have 40 names in various languages.

However, " common " means the common english name given in herb books and

naturopathy books.

 

NutraMedix's avea has a single ingredient: turmeric. NutraMedix needs to call

turmeric turmeric. There should be more truth in advertising laws.  

 

NutraMedix is the only company I know that calls their single herb by a name

other than the common name, latin name or active ingredient. I have studied

herbology and naturopathy for decades.

 

I have been taking turmeric for years. It was not my intent to pay many times

over what I have been paying for fresh organic turmeric for an inferior dried

nonorganic NutraMedix turmeric. It was not my intention to unknowingly increase

my dose of turmeric by taking turmeric and avea.

 

[Guest guest]

I talked to people daily who talk to Dr. Cowden frequently who is the one who

highly supports Nutramedix products. They tell me this. So I think I trust

them. I don't get into these kinds of wars with people. Everyone can choose

to do their own research. I have nothing to prove. I do lots of research

daily, and talk to doctors, scientists, etc. at least weekly. For a person to

spend so much time trying to make a product look bad, is beyond my

comprehension, especially since I have attended conferences of world famous

doctors telling me how Samento and other Nutramedix products worked when no

other treatment they tried on their patients did. I don't want to go look

through my notes to find those doc names or any notes. Anyone who is

interested can easily google Samento or other Nutramedix products and decide

for themselves. If someone wants to use another product, by a similar name, or

a different company, I don't argue with that either. I think many things work,

but I surely don't see why someone would spend their time bashing products. I

will not respond to any more bashing because frankly I have better things to do

with my time. I am doing scientific studies right now, and I am not going to

spend my time looking up details and arguing with you about something that is

so ill important in comparison. Whereas its obvious you like to argue, I

don't. So I will not be responding to any more of your argumentative emails.

Heidi N

Thanks Heidi N for responding to my post on NutraMedix's avea. Allergy Research

Group was the first company to manufacture samento also known as prima una de

gato. They don't energize it homeopathically. <WBR>Allergy Research Group very

clearly describes allergyresearchgrou all

" Prima Uña de Gato contains cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa) extract standardized

to a minimum of 0.5% pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs), and is 100% free of

tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs). "

Since NutraMedix has a proprietary method that they do not describe on their

website, I assume you are guessing that NutraMedix energizes their tinctures

homeopathically? <WBR>By guessing you are spreading misinforma<WBR>By guessing

you are spreading misinformation.<WBR>If you want to know, ask. If NutraMedix

refuses to disclose the

Heidi you wrote: " I have actually used Samento, Cumanda and Burbur . . .For my

large family, NutraMedix products are much stronger, and I only have to use

drops. "

Heidi, much stronger than what? Could you please be specific?

NutraMedix is the only manufacturer of cumanda tincture and burbur tincture..

What are you comparing them to? Further, as I previously posted, NutraMedix's

tinctures are neither organic nor fresh. Organic, fresh tinctures are more

potent than dried nonorganic tinctures.

Allergy Research Group manufactures samento. Are you saying NutraMedix's

samento is stronger than Allergy Research Group's? Do you know of any research

with this finding? Unfortunately, Allergy Research Group's samento is neither

organic nor fresh.

In Healing Lyme, Buhner wrote cat's claw is as potent as samento.

Unfortunately, no herb company makes an organic fresh cat's claw tincture. Gaia

and Herb Pharm make a dried nonorganic cat's claw tincture.

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[Guest guest]

Hi , Heidi,

I do not mean to butt in to stir the argument further. I mainly want to

share with you some information that Mark Toothman shared with me. I met

Mark who is the general manager of Nutrimedix at LIA conference in June this

year. I introduced myself to him, as my 6 year old, diagnosed with autism

and suspected of Lyme due to 3 tick bites, had been on Cumanda and Banderol

for about 6 months back then, and his OCD behaviors, panic attacks, and

unknown anxiety went away after 4 months of using, rotating these two herbs.

I asked Mark how they can claim their Lyme herbs can treat Borrelia and all

major coinfectors simultaneously. He shared with me that all their Lyme

herbs are of the extract of one single herb, for example Banderol extracted

from the bark of the Otoba sp. tree, Cumanda from the bark of the

Campsiandra angustifolia tree found in the Amazon basin. And then they add

in the mineral infusion of homeopathic preparation of many pathogen

signatures into these Lyme herbs. The pathogen signatures/frequencies are

retrieved from the Asyra database (a biofeedback machine). This is why they

claim their herbal preparation is of proprietary and is trade secret to

them, as it is impossible to patent homeopathic processing.

I am just a wary mom of a sick child and has no affiliation with Nutrimedix.

I do have some complaints on how costly are the herbs to us, as my son uses

high dose. At the same time, I recognize the uniqueness of these herbs.

Limin

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From: " Gaia " <brooke_gaia@...>

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 16:29

< >

Subject: [ ] Re: NutraMedix

>

>

> Thanks Heidi N for responding to my post on NutraMedix's avea. Allergy

> Research Group was the first company to manufacture samento also known as

> prima una de gato. They don't energize it homeopathically. Allergy

> Research Group very clearly describes it at allergyresearchgroup.com:

>

> " Prima Uña de Gato contains cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa) extract

> standardized to a minimum of 0.5% pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs),

> and is 100% free of tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs). "

>

> Since NutraMedix has a proprietary method that they do not describe on

> their website, I assume you are guessing that NutraMedix energizes their

> tinctures homeopathically? By guessing you are spreading misinformation.If

> you want to know, ask. If NutraMedix refuses to disclose their proprietary

> process, cease spreading misinformation.

>

> Heidi you wrote: " I have actually used Samento, Cumanda and Burbur . .

> .For my large family, NutraMedix products are much stronger, and I only

> have to use drops. "

> Heidi, much stronger than what? Could you please be specific?

>

> NutraMedix is the only manufacturer of cumanda tincture and burbur

> tincture.. What are you comparing them to? Further, as I previously

> posted, NutraMedix's tinctures are neither organic nor fresh. Organic,

> fresh tinctures are more potent than dried nonorganic tinctures.

>

> Allergy Research Group manufactures samento. Are you saying NutraMedix's

> samento is stronger than Allergy Research Group's? Do you know of any

> research with this finding? Unfortunately, Allergy Research Group's

> samento is neither organic nor fresh.

>

> In Healing Lyme, Buhner wrote cat's claw is as potent as samento.

> Unfortunately, no herb company makes an organic fresh cat's claw tincture.

> Gaia and Herb Pharm make a dried nonorganic cat's claw tincture.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's probably six of one and half a dozen of the other, as follows:

1) The herbs may be useful in treating lyme and/or lyme symptoms, at

least for some people

2) They have renamed the herbs as a marketing ploy, it seems obvious,

to raise prices and sell more. Cowden is making money off these. He is

not just an approving doctor on the sidelines

3) Homeopathic signatures may help. On the other hand it depends what

your approach is. A one fits all smorgasbord of homeopathic potencies

transferred electronically/energetically into an " herb " would be

viewed by classical homeopaths with suspicion. You need to treat the

individual and see what potency fits them best.

>

> Hi , Heidi,

>

> I do not mean to butt in to stir the argument further. I mainly

want to

> share with you some information that Mark Toothman shared with me.

I met

> Mark who is the general manager of Nutrimedix at LIA conference in

June this

> year. I introduced myself to him, as my 6 year old, diagnosed with

autism

> and suspected of Lyme due to 3 tick bites, had been on Cumanda and

Banderol

> for about 6 months back then, and his OCD behaviors, panic attacks, and

> unknown anxiety went away after 4 months of using, rotating these

two herbs.

> I asked Mark how they can claim their Lyme herbs can treat Borrelia

and all

> major coinfectors simultaneously. He shared with me that all their

Lyme

> herbs are of the extract of one single herb, for example Banderol

extracted

> from the bark of the Otoba sp. tree, Cumanda from the bark of the

> Campsiandra angustifolia tree found in the Amazon basin. And then

they add

> in the mineral infusion of homeopathic preparation of many pathogen

> signatures into these Lyme herbs. The pathogen

signatures/frequencies are

> retrieved from the Asyra database (a biofeedback machine). This is

why they

> claim their herbal preparation is of proprietary and is trade secret to

> them, as it is impossible to patent homeopathic processing.

>

> I am just a wary mom of a sick child and has no affiliation with

Nutrimedix.

> I do have some complaints on how costly are the herbs to us, as my

son uses

> high dose. At the same time, I recognize the uniqueness of these herbs.

>

> Limin

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not understand where this is coming from. I understand

questioning, but I do not understand putting a fellow board member on

the hot seat like this. I'm sure Heidi can defend herself if she

feels the need, but I am losing faith in this list. I found much more

positive support posts in the past and now, I don't know anymore.

Supportive does not mean " agree " .. it does, though, to me mean to

converse with respect that the other person is not out to scam you

or me. If it works for Heidi, I'm not going to argue with her about

it, but thank her for her experience.

If I am misinterpreting your email, I apologize.

Sal

" I have actually used Samento, Cumanda and

Burbur . . .For my large family, NutraMedix products are  much

stronger, and I only have to use drops. "

> Heidi, much stronger than what? Could you please be specific?

>  

> NutraMedix is the only manufacturer of cumanda tincture and burbur

tincture.. What are you comparing them to? Further, as I previously

posted, NutraMedix's tinctures are neither organic nor fresh.

Organic, fresh tinctures are more potent than dried nonorganic

tinctures.

>  

> Allergy Research Group manufactures samento. Are you saying

NutraMedix's samento is stronger than Allergy Research Group's? Do

you know of any research with this finding? Unfortunately, Allergy

Research Group's samento is neither organic nor fresh.

>  

> In Healing Lyme, Buhner wrote cat's claw is as potent as samento.

Unfortunately, no herb company makes an organic fresh cat's claw

tincture. Gaia and Herb Pharm make a dried nonorganic cat's claw

tincture.  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma - am curious about the reason you would use a tincture of noni

juice rather than just the juice itself. I drink a little bit of the juice

daily, along with a little bit of grape seed extract powder, and my lipomas

(fatty

tissue tumors) are shrinking and disappearing! - Robin

In a message dated 10/9/2008 3:53:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

selmanaka@... writes:

Agree too. Nutramedix is not a company I love, but they do make high

quality products.

Expensive, yes, but they have been helping many people and many LLMDs

use them when nothing else works. It has helped and is still helping

many people. Lucky them.

I find it more outrageous to charge 500 dollars for a single medical

consultation or more (most LLMDs do that right?) than to charge 40

dollars for a useful product.

For many, Buhner's herbs alone are not a solution long term either. We

all know they may work extremely well in the beginning, but then we

need adding more stuff and changing herbs to make them work, if one

wants to reach total remission.

I am happy there are other alternatives to jump and add to our

protocols. I wouldnt be where I am wihtout these extra stuff.

We're not in an ideological battle, we just want to get well and

healthy again.

I just found I'm using a product called Usneabasan, made from Usnea

barbata. Well, now that I know, I'll do the tincture myself next time I

find the lichen in the woods. But so what, they will still continue

selling the tincture of Usnea barbata under another name, Usneabasan.

I'm using it for skin mycosis.

Plants can't get patented, fortunately. But a company may decide to

sell a tincture under the name they want, they just have to write what

is it made from. Few people will go after the original plant to do a

tincture if they can buy it already made.

Rainforest products can't be found next corner, unfortunately. I'm glad

there are guys researching and trying to use these wonderful plants for

healing.

If they don't earn money with the products they researched, with what

will their research continue? Big pharma is not interested in healing,

nor in non-patented plants, they won't pay for this tpye of research.

Cowden uses lots of energetic tests to test Nutramedix products. People

are getting well under Cowden's treatment! So well that many LLMDs are

now using his recommended products.

I am glad I didn't need much of Cowden's tinctures to get well (because

they were pricey). But I took noni tincture and it is still one of my

favorites, and I owe this tincture a lot. I bought it from another

company that made it, probably based on Nutramedix research though.

But if I still needed to find solutions, I would still grab in their

products.

I'm fully out of lyme now, not taking a single thing for it, nothing.

but I know everytime it comes back, it comes a bit stronger. So I

wouldn't spit on something I know can even save my life.

buhner's herbs, people can say what they want, I'm eternally grateful

for them.

Nutramedix doesn't owe Noni tincture, but I'm grateful for them to

have 'unearthed' it and brought it to use for lyme disease.

Having said that, I don't think that adding frequencies or something

alike make their products much better(at least, I can't see the

difference between their Samento and a regular cats claw tincture that

I did from whole dried herb, for example).

I also know people that had bought regular noni tincture and got good

results (without energetic stuff added).

But anyway, I do hope their business go on, if people have the money to

pay for these products, why not?

What is wrong is our health system, medical system, big pharma

business... These 3 pillars of our society have no clue about healing a

chronic diseases.

Nutramedix is still trying to find things to heal us. They can't speak

openly because it's against the law (saying this product will help

healing lyme or so). The 3 pillars above won't allow.

My view of the thing. We shouldn't be blaming Nutramedix, in my

opinion. Their Samento story didn't look good, I agree, but we have

much more to blame in our medical system. It's not without reason that

LLMDs charge so much. Is it their fault too?

Selma

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[Guest guest]

Agree too. Nutramedix is not a company I love, but they do make high

quality products.

Expensive, yes, but they have been helping many people and many LLMDs

use them when nothing else works. It has helped and is still helping

many people. Lucky them.

I find it more outrageous to charge 500 dollars for a single medical

consultation or more (most LLMDs do that right?) than to charge 40

dollars for a useful product.

For many, Buhner's herbs alone are not a solution long term either. We

all know they may work extremely well in the beginning, but then we

need adding more stuff and changing herbs to make them work, if one

wants to reach total remission.

I am happy there are other alternatives to jump and add to our

protocols. I wouldnt be where I am wihtout these extra stuff.

We're not in an ideological battle, we just want to get well and

healthy again.

I just found I'm using a product called Usneabasan, made from Usnea

barbata. Well, now that I know, I'll do the tincture myself next time I

find the lichen in the woods. But so what, they will still continue

selling the tincture of Usnea barbata under another name, Usneabasan.

I'm using it for skin mycosis.

Plants can't get patented, fortunately. But a company may decide to

sell a tincture under the name they want, they just have to write what

is it made from. Few people will go after the original plant to do a

tincture if they can buy it already made.

Rainforest products can't be found next corner, unfortunately. I'm glad

there are guys researching and trying to use these wonderful plants for

healing.

If they don't earn money with the products they researched, with what

will their research continue? Big pharma is not interested in healing,

nor in non-patented plants, they won't pay for this tpye of research.

Cowden uses lots of energetic tests to test Nutramedix products. People

are getting well under Cowden's treatment! So well that many LLMDs are

now using his recommended products.

I am glad I didn't need much of Cowden's tinctures to get well (because

they were pricey). But I took noni tincture and it is still one of my

favorites, and I owe this tincture a lot. I bought it from another

company that made it, probably based on Nutramedix research though.

But if I still needed to find solutions, I would still grab in their

products.

I'm fully out of lyme now, not taking a single thing for it, nothing.

but I know everytime it comes back, it comes a bit stronger. So I

wouldn't spit on something I know can even save my life.

buhner's herbs, people can say what they want, I'm eternally grateful

for them.

Nutramedix doesn't owe Noni tincture, but I'm grateful for them to

have 'unearthed' it and brought it to use for lyme disease.

Having said that, I don't think that adding frequencies or something

alike make their products much better(at least, I can't see the

difference between their Samento and a regular cats claw tincture that

I did from whole dried herb, for example).

I also know people that had bought regular noni tincture and got good

results (without energetic stuff added).

But anyway, I do hope their business go on, if people have the money to

pay for these products, why not?

What is wrong is our health system, medical system, big pharma

business... These 3 pillars of our society have no clue about healing a

chronic diseases.

Nutramedix is still trying to find things to heal us. They can't speak

openly because it's against the law (saying this product will help

healing lyme or so). The 3 pillars above won't allow.

My view of the thing. We shouldn't be blaming Nutramedix, in my

opinion. Their Samento story didn't look good, I agree, but we have

much more to blame in our medical system. It's not without reason that

LLMDs charge so much. Is it their fault too?

Selma

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the information .

I did a search on the Cumanda (campsiandra angustifolia) & could find little

other than it is also known commonly as huacapurana and there is rather an

interesting note on it at Raintree. It gives no date as when it was written.

http://www.rain-tree.com/campsiandra.htm

" Currently, only one product is available in the U.S. market today for

huacapurana. It is being widely touted for Lyme's Disease as well as a host of

other microbial issues and diseases. None of these claims can be substantiated

by independent third-party documentation or published research, nor even by

traditional use. Consumers should ask for a money-back guarantee in the event

that this product does not live up to its far-reaching marketing claims. "

I'll check out the other links you've provided. Thanks .

Purple - how are you making out with the Elecampane?

[ ] Beware NutraMedix regarding Ezov!

To respond to Barbara brfifield@... shannah9 question: " You don't have

alternative sources for their other antimicrobials such as Cumanda, Banderol,

Enula, Quina or Takuna do you? "

I searched the internet using their latin name and the name that NutraMedix

gave them. I could not find any other company that sells cumunda (campsiandra

angustifolia), Takunda (cecropia strigosa) and Banderol (otoba sp).

I found two companies that sell quina (cinchona calisaya). Quinine by

Raintree Nutrition, Inc. http://www.rain-tree.com/

http://www.rain-tree.com/quinine-powder.htm One pound of ground quinine bark

powder is $24.

http://cayceconcepts.com/indexmain.htm#elixir makes Elixir of Calisaya. I

don't know if there are other ingredients. $40 four a four ounce bottle.

Regarding Enula, I am reprinting purple ffoxglove's excellent post on Enula

below. Enula contains elecampane which is a popular, inexpensive chinsese and

ayurvedic herb. The other two ingredients are vitis tiliafolia and ipomoea

jalapa. Pursuant to http://www.realbigbuy.com/barohedrcaof.html, vitis

tiliafolia is also known as blood wiss. It is used to purge the blood and

alleviate pain.Vitis tiliafolia is an ingredient in Baba Roots Herbal Drink sold

at http://www.realbigbuy.com/barohedrcaof.html. Also included in the herbal

drink are two species of smilax (sarsaparilla). Buhner discussed

sarsaparilla in Healing Lyme.

Ipomoea jalapa is also known as convoluvus jalapa and bindweed. It is not

known as a anti microbial. See http://electrocomm.tripod.com/jalapa-jalap.html

for its medicinal uses.

I could not find any literature that described vitis tiliafolia or ipomoea

jalapa as anti microbial.

Posted by: " purple ffoxglove " purpleffoxglove@... purpleffoxglove

Date: Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:10 am ((PDT))

Iagree that Nutramedix may rename herbals to sell at more profit. My doubt is

with their Babesia drops called " Enula " . The main ingredient seems to be

Elecampane. They added two other obscure jungle plants that no one had heard

of. Yanivnaced on lymenet researched them and couldn't find much.

I bought one bottle of Enula, then decided to switch to plain Elecampane

drops, much cheaper, guessing that Nutramedix had added two harmless plants so

they could rename their combo and sell it at a higher price. It looked like that

to me.

--from purple

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

 

Sadly, I realized that there is not an easy fix and there are too many things

involved to try to get rid of this kind of bacteria, if we actually can get rid

of it.

I understand that niacin can help with die-off but I didn't know about

melatonin. 

Thanks for sharing your experience.  

 

Tess

 

 

 

From: Ambitionn01@... <Ambitionn01@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Beware NutraMedix

Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:38 PM

Tess:

You should notice something right away. Only problem is that Samento causes

herxing, so its good to start with one drop. I have heard of some very sick

people who only did one drop diluted in large amounts of water throughout the

day. At my family, one drop did cause herxing, but we could do it twice a day.

We got die-off on day 4. We used all kinds of things, like Burbur, Pectasol,

lithium orotate and Mellatonin for die-off. But after 3 weeks, all die-off was

gone and we were able to go up to 16 drops twice a day for the adults. I think

we can easily do lots more now. Its just the initial die-off. This stuff works,

but I have not been able to rid anything pathogens, just symptoms. I can not

stop taking anything without symptoms coming back.. Currently we are dong

Samento in the morning and Cumanda at night, but I don't think its enough. We

need to do more drops or more often or more things. We are living as normals,

hardly and symptoms, but we are just

still very dependent upon pathogen killers.

Heidi N

[Guest guest]

Sorry for late response, I've been out for a week.

Noni juice never did anything to me (besides it tastes awful). I never

bought more than a few bottles though (I stopped because of bad taste

and because I saw no improvement).

Great you see improvement with it (each person is different).

I used Noni tincture for killing borrelia cysts, for babesia and for

other stuff I can't remember now (tested energetically). It doesn't

test for long periods of time, but it's crucial for certain steps of

treatment, testing on and off in low amounts (for me). I used it as

killer basically.

Selma

-------------

> Hi Selma - am curious about the reason you would use a tincture of

noni

> juice rather than just the juice itself. I drink a little bit of the

juice

> daily, along with a little bit of grape seed extract powder, and my

lipomas (fatty

> tissue tumors) are shrinking and disappearing! - Robin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

How do I reach the group owner or moderator. I have chronic Lyme and my

business is closeout merchandise.

I just so happened to pick up a medium lot of Samento (Nutramedix brand) and

would like permission to offer it at a discounted rate through this group if

possible.

It's almost two years past expiration but all the herbalist I've talked to

said it may have lost 10% of the potency at the most because of how it's been

packaged, stored, etc.

Anyway I don't use this group much so hopefully this will get to the

appropriate person.

Sincerely,

Glenn Rubin