Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Somewhere, something is amiss. I don't know about Avea, but I do know of other Nutramedix products. They are energized; its some kind of homeopathic thing. For example, Samento is energized in a way to boot its effectiveness at killing more things than Cat's Claw. I don't know how they do this. But, what I do know that science is complicated, and no one ever learns or describes all the parts. So, the only real science is actual use. I have actually used Samento, Cumanda and Burbur, and they work exactly as they are described to work, and did and do take away many symptoms at my house. Thus, I feel to really learn about a product, you have to use it. For my large family, Nutramedix products are much stronger, and I only have to use drops. Thus, its much cheaper than buying herbal capsules which were causing me to go broke. Since Turmeric capsules are very cheap, I have not needed to use Avea to try to save money. Heidi N I read The Effectiveness of Samento, Cumanda, Burbur and Dr. Lee Cowden's Protocol in the Treatment of Chronic Lyme Disease by Suzanne Arthur, Towsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, April 2007, pages 101 – 106. On page 106, Suzanne Arthur did not identify avea as turmeric. Herbs are called by their latin name, common name or active ingredient. The known names of turmeric is turmeric common name, curcuma longa latin name and curcumin active ingredient. Avea is neither the common name, latin name nor an active ingredient of turmeric. Suzanne Arthur is the founder and editor of the Lyme Disease Research Database www.lyme-disease-Suzanne ASuzanne ASuza The Lyme Disease Research Database and Townsend should have a policy that its writers identify herbs by their latin name, common name or at least their active ingredient. Otherwise, readers may erroneously believe that herbs are rare foreign herbs and become tricked by the manufacturer into paying a higher price. I am not blaming Townsend Letter nor Lyme Disease Research Database. Townsend is an excellent holistic medicine publication. It would be an unfair burden to place the responsibility of identification of herbs on Townsend and the Lyme Disease Research Database. The manufacturers of herbal tinctures have the responsibility to disclose the correct name of their herbal tinctures. Thereby, writers, researchers, publishers, health practitioners and customers will be apprised of its true identity. I am requesting Townsend to publish my complaint as a letter to the editor and requesting Suzanne Arthur to identify avea as turmeric in the Lyme Disease Research Database. Based on the above-mentioned article, I paid my assistant to order avea, burbur and cumanda from NutraMedix's website. After opening the package, I read the labels. I was shocked to read that avea is turmeric! For several years, I have been taking turmeric tincture. I buy eight ounce bottles of fresh organic turmeric tincture. Fresh is more potent than dried.. Organic is more potent than nonorganic. Avea is neither fresh nor organic.. Eight ounce bottles are much cheaper than once ounce bottles. NutraMedix manufactures only one ounce bottles of avea, burbur and cumanda. I called twice to ask why NutraMedix labeled turmeric as avea. I called again on on October 1, 2008. Philomena Dowling replied that their products have multiple ingredients in them. I objected that avea has only turmeric as an active ingredient. The other ingredients are water and ethanol which are in all alcoholic tinctures. Philomena Dowling replied that they can call a herb by any name they wish. She refused to compensate me for the return shipping cost I will incur returning avea. I warned her I would complain. Philomena Dowling stated that NutraMedix's website identifies avea as turmeric. I went to NutraMedix.com. The lower left hand corner of their homepage is a icon titled “Products. Scrolling down, I selected avea. Also in the upper middle of their homepage is an icon titled “product list. I scrolling down, I selected avea. Both methods broughts up the identical avea webpage. The webpage does not disclose ingredient. There is a tiny box in the lower right hand corner of the avea webpage that is titled “view label.†I clicked on the “view label.†The “view label†webpage disclosed: “turmeric root extract (avea TM) .50 ml, mineral water, ethanol (20 – 25%).†Most customers would not notice this icon. I have purchased various herbs and supplements on the internet. No other website forces customers to search for another icon to click to obtain ingredients. Indeed, resellers of NutraMedix don't. For example, herbalremedies.Indeed, rIndeed, resellers of NutraMedix don't. For example, herbalremedies.<WBR>com/avea-<WBR>mood.html sells avea by NutraMedi Herbalremedies.Herbalremedies.<WBR>com's price is the same as NutraMedx. $20. However, lower down on their page, they sell a TWO ounce bottle of organic turmeric tincture by Herbal Remedies for $14. Two ounces of dried organic is cheaper than one ounce of Better prices may be found with companies that sell four ounce bottles and especially eight ounce bottles of tinctures. For example, Heron Botanicals manufactures fresh organic four ounce and eight ounce turmeric tinctures. I request that the Florida Attorney General request NutraMedix to disclose the ingredients of all their products on the same webpage of their products and desist using a tiny icon on the bottom of the page titled “view label.†I also request the Florida Attorney General to request NutraMedix to call turmeric by its correct name. Thank you. Cc: Suzanne Arthur Towsend Letter **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 I have posted several warnings about Nutramedix' policies and procedures!!! There are many, many less than ethical practices goin on there email and phone support is either vague or non existent they refuse to verify if their collection of Peruvian and other rain forest materials are ecologically sound Portion of profit goes into Christian Ministry Foundations- I cannot vouch for any of these activities as to ethics or agenda.The Foundations activities are a bit vague as well. almost all of their extracts say " proprietary extract process " ..this means theyve expanded what they successfully did with Samento: they get a patent for a process that removes some parts of the herb ( in some cases, this isnt a good idea; in other cases it doesnt affect the herb's activity--In Cats Claw /Samento case is the utter and blatant misstatement that TOAs are a problem) then with this patent they sell " exclusive products " with no proven benefit over other similar herbals. But becasue of the patent theyre " exclusive " and they then advertize that ONLY their formulas work!! and of course they massage the data and science to fit those claims! Im not a fan of this sort of marketing! When you lose transparency and accountability, its harder to trust the product!! or their other products. Im sure when you DO hear from them, theyll say their " avea " isnt just turmeric but prepared with one of those magical proprietary processes!!! patented just so they can say that and charge more!! Even if I had unlimited income ( and I dont), I?wouldnt like paying for hype and hyperbole and Im glad others are starting to see that many companies out there may need a closer look and a more jaundiced assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Hi Heidi, I'm curious about how long did it take for you to realize that the NutraMedix products were working for you? I want to start an herbal protocol since currently I'm just doing H202 IV and Vit. C IV. I was recently diagnosed with lyme, babesia and erichlia, but probably I had it for a few years. Tess From: Ambitionn01@... <Ambitionn01@...> Subject: [ ] Re:Beware NutraMedix Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 4:01 PM Somewhere, something is amiss. I don't know about Avea, but I do know of other Nutramedix products. They are energized; its some kind of homeopathic thing. For example, Samento is energized in a way to boot its effectiveness at killing more things than Cat's Claw. I don't know how they do this. But, what I do know that science is complicated, and no one ever learns or describes all the parts. So, the only real science is actual use. I have actually used Samento, Cumanda and Burbur, and they work exactly as they are described to work, and did and do take away many symptoms at my house. Thus, I feel to really learn about a product, you have to use it. For my large family, Nutramedix products are much stronger, and I only have to use drops. Thus, its much cheaper than buying herbal capsules which were causing me to go broke. Since Turmeric capsules are very cheap, I have not needed to use Avea to try to save money. Heidi N I read The Effectiveness of Samento, Cumanda, Burbur and Dr. Lee Cowden's Protocol in the Treatment of Chronic Lyme Disease by Suzanne Arthur, Towsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, April 2007, pages 101 – 106. On page 106, Suzanne Arthur did not identify avea as turmeric. Herbs are called by their latin name, common name or active ingredient. The known names of turmeric is turmeric common name, curcuma longa latin name and curcumin active ingredient. Avea is neither the common name, latin name nor an active ingredient of turmeric. Suzanne Arthur is the founder and editor of the Lyme Disease Research Database www.lyme-disease- Suzanne ASuzanne ASuza The Lyme Disease Research Database and Townsend should have a policy that its writers identify herbs by their latin name, common name or at least their active ingredient. Otherwise, readers may erroneously believe that herbs are rare foreign herbs and become tricked by the manufacturer into paying a higher price. I am not blaming Townsend Letter nor Lyme Disease Research Database. Townsend is an excellent holistic medicine publication. It would be an unfair burden to place the responsibility of identification of herbs on Townsend and the Lyme Disease Research Database. The manufacturers of herbal tinctures have the responsibility to disclose the correct name of their herbal tinctures. Thereby, writers, researchers, publishers, health practitioners and customers will be apprised of its true identity. I am requesting Townsend to publish my complaint as a letter to the editor and requesting Suzanne Arthur to identify avea as turmeric in the Lyme Disease Research Database. Based on the above-mentioned article, I paid my assistant to order avea, burbur and cumanda from NutraMedix's website. After opening the package, I read the labels. I was shocked to read that avea is turmeric! For several years, I have been taking turmeric tincture. I buy eight ounce bottles of fresh organic turmeric tincture. Fresh is more potent than dried... Organic is more potent than nonorganic. Avea is neither fresh nor organic.. Eight ounce bottles are much cheaper than once ounce bottles. NutraMedix manufactures only one ounce bottles of avea, burbur and cumanda. I called twice to ask why NutraMedix labeled turmeric as avea. I called again on on October 1, 2008. Philomena Dowling replied that their products have multiple ingredients in them. I objected that avea has only turmeric as an active ingredient. The other ingredients are water and ethanol which are in all alcoholic tinctures. Philomena Dowling replied that they can call a herb by any name they wish. She refused to compensate me for the return shipping cost I will incur returning avea. I warned her I would complain. Philomena Dowling stated that NutraMedix's website identifies avea as turmeric. I went to NutraMedix.com. The lower left hand corner of their homepage is a icon titled “Products. Scrolling down, I selected avea. Also in the upper middle of their homepage is an icon titled “product list. I scrolling down, I selected avea. Both methods broughts up the identical avea webpage. The webpage does not disclose ingredient. There is a tiny box in the lower right hand corner of the avea webpage that is titled “view label.” I clicked on the “view label.” The “view label” webpage disclosed: “turmeric root extract (avea TM) .50 ml, mineral water, ethanol (20 – 25%).” Most customers would not notice this icon. I have purchased various herbs and supplements on the internet. No other website forces customers to search for another icon to click to obtain ingredients. Indeed, resellers of NutraMedix don't. For example, herbalremedies. Indeed, rIndeed, resellers of NutraMedix don't. For example, herbalremedies. <WBR>com/ avea-<WBR> mood.html sells avea by NutraMedi Herbalremedies. Herbalremedies. <WBR>com' s price is the same as NutraMedx. $20. However, lower down on their page, they sell a TWO ounce bottle of organic turmeric tincture by Herbal Remedies for $14. Two ounces of dried organic is cheaper than one ounce of Better prices may be found with companies that sell four ounce bottles and especially eight ounce bottles of tinctures. For example, Heron Botanicals manufactures fresh organic four ounce and eight ounce turmeric tinctures. I request that the Florida Attorney General request NutraMedix to disclose the ingredients of all their products on the same webpage of their products and desist using a tiny icon on the bottom of the page titled “view label..” I also request the Florida Attorney General to request NutraMedix to call turmeric by its correct name. Thank you. Cc: Suzanne Arthur Towsend Letter ************ **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local. mapquest. com/?ncid= emlcntnew0000000 1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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