Re: Cryptolepis

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Thank you. I looked there first, couldn't find it, then looked again and

finally found it.

-- [ ] Re:cryptolepis

Dear ,

Buhner talks about the dosage at Planet Thrive under questions and answers

Best,

Cass A

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I've been curious about this herb.

Did you see any symptoms you think are specifically babesia, resolve?

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> Update: Just wanted to share my experience thus far on babesia

> treatment is case it is helpful to others.

>

> I started cryptolepis on 9/6. Started with only 1 droperful; titrated

> up to 1 tsp 3 times a day in about 2 weeks. I experienced profound,

> debilitating fatigue and the glands in my neck became quite swollen.

> I dropped back down for a while, then back up to 2 or 3 tsp/day for

> the last 2 weeks. The fatigue has lifted. Now I'm back to 'normal.'

>

> I also added artemisinin, 200mg twice a day on 9/26. And today I

> received the Garlic Factors and starated that.

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> I take red root regularly, as well as a number of other lyme herbs in

> a maintenance dose.

>

> Kate at Woodland Herbs said that one may need to stay on the crypto

> for 5 to 6 months if one has been ill a long time. I don't know that

> I will do that. Its quite expensive. I'll just have to make that

> decision as I get down the road a way.

>

> If anyone else has experience with crypto or with babesia treatment

> that you want to share, I'd love to hear it.

>

> jo

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What other herbals specifically were you taking?  Does anyone know if

cryptolepis is compatible/incompatible with anything, esp at time of dosing?  Is

it enough variety to prevent resistance if you take only cryptolepis and

artemisinin for babesia?

 

How does cryptolepis work?  You know artemisinin has that awful requirement of

no antioxidants (for 2 1/2 hours, even) with it.  That's a condition  that's

incompatible with my body and mind. (Dr S in his book Babesia offers several

other forms avoiding the GI tract route. )  If cryptolepis has a different way

of killing babesia, that would be a strong reason for me to switch from

Artemisia annua to cryptolepis.  I also take Malarone .  I take Quina 1 or 2 x

per week when i have a time slot for it.  And i take Elecampane drops once or

twice a day ( not supposed to take excessive amounts of that), hoping it will

work as well as Nutramedix " Enula " .

 

All the above does suppress the babesia symptoms; not sure how much it's

eradicating.

 

---from purple.

 

From: judyjo27 <judyjo44@...>

Subject: [ ] Cryptolepis

Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:44 AM

Update: Just wanted to share my experience thus far on babesia

treatment is case it is helpful to others.

I started cryptolepis on 9/6. Started with only 1 droperful; titrated

up to 1 tsp 3 times a day in about 2 weeks. I experienced profound,

debilitating fatigue and the glands in my neck became quite swollen.

I dropped back down for a while, then back up to 2 or 3 tsp/day for

the last 2 weeks. The fatigue has lifted. Now I'm back to 'normal.'

I also added artemisinin, 200mg twice a day on 9/26. And today I

received the Garlic Factors and starated that.

I take red root regularly, as well as a number of other lyme herbs in

a maintenance dose.

Kate at Woodland Herbs said that one may need to stay on the crypto

for 5 to 6 months if one has been ill a long time. I don't know that

I will do that. Its quite expensive. I'll just have to make that

decision as I get down the road a way.

If anyone else has experience with crypto or with babesia treatment

that you want to share, I'd love to hear it.

jo

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Jill,

I've been sick a long time, and have lyme and other issues as well as

the babesia. I've never known which symptoms were caused by what.

I do seem to be having less night sweats. Otherwise, I can't yet tell

any difference. Wish I had a BIG change to report, but so far that's

not the case.

I am committed to treating for a longer time. Kate said that those who

had been ill longer needed to treat longer; maybe 5 or 6 months I think

she said.

jo

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> I've been curious about this herb.

> Did you see any symptoms you think are specifically babesia, resolve?

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PS  For babesia  I also take Neem pills and cardamom extract .  Selma said

cardamom " tests " for her for Babesia.  Eating a spoonful of spice does taste

good!  The extract in hot water is less pleasant.  On a forum someone said they

take Neem for Babesia.

 

I don't know if they kill it, but i have no babesia symptoms as long as i take

all the anti-Babesia things.  If i stop taking them, the (mild) symptoms return.

 

---from purple

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Purple, the other herbs I'm taking for lyme are: stephania/red

root/teasel tincture, knotweed and smilax powder. For babesia I'm

taking crypto, artemisinin and just added a garlic formula.

You might want to look in the archives under cryptolepis (or

cryptolepsis as its spelled differently sometimes) to see what has

been written about it. I know there were some cautions about it.

I don't know if I'm killing the babesia. Just have to hope as

symptoms are so nebulous and cross over with lyme and other issues.

I'm not familiar with the things you list that you are taking. Are

they antibiotics? I'll research them a little. I want to put

everything into this treatment that's needed as I want to finish the

babesia off so I can go on to other things.

I'm interested in any answers other give to your questions too........

Best wishes, jo

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> What other herbals specifically were you taking?  Does anyone know

if cryptolepis is compatible/incompatible with anything, esp at time

of dosing?  Is it enough variety to prevent resistance if you take

only cryptolepis and artemisinin for babesia?

>  

> How does cryptolepis work?  You know artemisinin has that awful

requirement of no antioxidants (for 2 1/2 hours, even) with it. 

That's a condition  that's incompatible with my body and mind. (Dr S

in his book Babesia offers several other forms avoiding the GI tract

route. )  If cryptolepis has a different way of killing babesia, that

would be a strong reason for me to switch from Artemisia annua to

cryptolepis.  I also take Malarone .  I take Quina 1 or 2 x per week

when i have a time slot for it.  And i take Elecampane drops once or

twice a day ( not supposed to take excessive amounts of that), hoping

it will work as well as Nutramedix " Enula " .

>  

> All the above does suppress the babesia symptoms; not sure how much

it's eradicating.

>  

> ---from purple.

>  

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> From: judyjo27 <judyjo44@...>

> Subject: [ ] Cryptolepis

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> Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:44 AM

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> Update: Just wanted to share my experience thus far on babesia

> treatment is case it is helpful to others.

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> I started cryptolepis on 9/6. Started with only 1 droperful;

titrated

> up to 1 tsp 3 times a day in about 2 weeks. I experienced profound,

> debilitating fatigue and the glands in my neck became quite

swollen.

> I dropped back down for a while, then back up to 2 or 3 tsp/day for

> the last 2 weeks. The fatigue has lifted. Now I'm back to 'normal.'

>

> I also added artemisinin, 200mg twice a day on 9/26. And today I

> received the Garlic Factors and starated that.

>

> I take red root regularly, as well as a number of other lyme herbs

in

> a maintenance dose.

>

> Kate at Woodland Herbs said that one may need to stay on the crypto

> for 5 to 6 months if one has been ill a long time. I don't know

that

> I will do that. Its quite expensive. I'll just have to make that

> decision as I get down the road a way.

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> If anyone else has experience with crypto or with babesia treatment

> that you want to share, I'd love to hear it.

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> jo

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Hi,

I just got a bottle of cryptolepis (also spelled cryptolepsis) root tincture

from Woodland Essence.  Have only tried a couple drops although the dosage on

the bottle says 20-40 drops, 3-4x/day.

arlene

Woodland

Essence, 392 Teacup Street, Cold Brook, NY 13324

Phone 315-845-1515

http://www.woodlandessence.com/

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Hi Jay,

     I don't know anything and am not a good example.  I take Cryptolepis

sometimes, and it doesn't bother me because i'm not sensitive or  hyperreactive,

and i always protect my liver with milk thistle, silymarin pills and lots of

antioxidants.  I only take one dose at a time, not consistently;  i only have a

one-oz bottle, with no refills available yet because the Cryptolepis shipment

has not come in from Africa. 

Ask www.woodlandessence.com when the next Cryptolepis shipment will be arriving.

At woodlandessence.com they may be saying that people may need to take

Cryptolepis for 5 or  6 months to conquer babesia.  I posted an Oxford research

article a while ago that found that Cryptolepis is " profoundly cytotoxic " and

could perhaps find use as a cancer drug.  I guess that means that it does kill

bugs; i wasn't sure what kinds of cells it is toxic to---- i hope only hostile

cells , not normal cells.  Some people report very strong or severe herxes from

Cryptolepis.

Bea Seibert on www.lymenet.org posts that her husband was on high-dose

Cryptolepis, now is on low-dose Cryptolepis, among other drugs; he's very sick

with Fry Labs mystery bug.

---Good Luck, from purple

What has been your experience with Cryptolepsis?

Is it OK on stomach? Does it kill bugs?

Jay

[Guest guest]

Cryptolepis removes my Babesia symptoms.  If the symptoms start piling up, i use

cryptolepis mostly as a last resort (i'm not on Mepron/Zith). . What

symptoms---- i'm trying to remember: dark urine, falling asleep at noon, faint

night sweat, sore palm muscle, sore areas of ribs---- i don't have any of those

currently.

For the last 2 months I've been taking Raintree Amazon A-P 3 times a day, and

Elecampane, Coptis,; and also Quina when i can fit it in (not too often), and

pulsed Artemisinin (today i'm taking Artemisinin 500 mg 3x/day for 3 days, after

11 days off).  All those things, i think especially the Raintree Amazon A-P,

have really knocked down my Babesia symptoms.  I've improved a lot.  I'd say i

don't really have any Babesia symptoms right now, as far as i can tell.  So i'm

not in need of any cryptolepis right now.

I'm also on 2 antibioitcs including Bactrim, and i take LOMATIUM  if i feel i

need something extra and stronger--- it's an antiviral herb.  Plus Buhner lyme

herbs, other herbals, and minerals, etc.

----Purpleffoxglove

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> From: Jay A. Rovert

> Subject: Fw: Cryptolepsis

>

> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:41 PM

> Purple,

>

> I read over Oxford

> report...... .

> Why would Buhner recommend

> unless he felt good

> outweighs the bad in regard to toxicity?

> I just started & can

> tolerate

> digestively. ........Herxing because of Rifing so I have no

> idea if Crypto

> effects me or not.........

> Jay

>

[Guest guest]

What is Amazon A-P?

Jay

Fw: Cryptolepsis

>

> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:41 PM

> Purple,

>

> I read over Oxford

> report...... .

> Why would Buhner recommend

> unless he felt good

> outweighs the bad in regard to toxicity?

> I just started & can

> tolerate

> digestively. ........Herxing because of Rifing so I have no

> idea if Crypto

> effects me or not.........

> Jay

>

[Guest guest]

It's sold by the Raintree website

/www.rain-tree.com/.     These are Amazon jungle medicinal herbs, with a lot of

research information.  I'm very pleased with the Amazon A-P.  P stands for

protozoa; it's their malaria pill. 

I've taken various babesia herbs befor, though not bone-set, and they didn't

work all that well; but adding this Amazon A-P seems to eliminate my symptoms.

PS  i'm also taking NONI pills, as well as Coptis, Elecampane, sometimes

cryptolepis, etc.  If you search here on selmanaka or hardynaka, you'll find

that PC Noni was an imprtant herb in eliminating her babesia.  PC Noni,

recommended by Dr Klinghardt, is too expensive for me, so i just take Noni

pills.

I guess i should try bone-set.  I was afraid to take it because of some possible

side-effects.(?)

---purpleffoxglove

From: Jay A. Rovert <jay12@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Cryptolepis

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:15 PM

 

What is Amazon A-P?

Jay

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