Re: Re: CD57 info and controversy/mast cell question

[Guest guest]

Thx, Sal! I will start quercitin real soon. It's interesting - the article

says chemicals are absorbed through the skin. I thought it was just a touch

problem. I've had my immune antibodies tested and my IgE tests abnormally low.

Maybe it's all complexed!

My history is that I was exposed three years ago to a fire with all its

petrochemicals, and fire retardants used. After that, I gradually lost my

ability

to handle chemicals. And that's also how I found out I had Lyme. What is

happening now is just part of that chemical-reaction continuation. So I am

looking forward to discovering the means of stopping the skin reactions, plus

anything else I'm going to need to learn about the chemical sensitivity

situation. Thx again! - Robin

In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:22:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

creekhopper@... writes:

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Quercetin has been working very well for a son of a friend of mine

with severe allergies. Sal

>

> I agree - my CD57 count is relatively high - in the 140s, yet I

have active

> Lyme.

>

> Another question: Fin, you mention mast cells as part of the immune

system.

> Mine are overreacting now, causing itching and hives when I touch

fabrics,

> many plastics, petrochemicals, etc. Do you have any knowledge

about that? Does

> anyone here have any knowledge about alleviating that kind of

reacting? Thx -

> Robin

>

>

> In a message dated 10/27/2008 1:13:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> FinRussak@.. FinRussa

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> CD57 cells cannot be used as a defintive or marker for Lyme

infection or

> progress of treatment. These cells levels are raised in many non

Lyme RA (

> arthritis) cases as well as other diesease states.

>

> I have combed thru Buhner's book and havent found any advice about

keeping

> any sort of level of CD57. And Burrascano himself at conferences

admits it

> isnt reliable.

>

> what are the CD57?? they are markers or antigen determinants on

certain ?T

> cells, whose function very poorly understood at this time. Their

levels vary

> and are contradictory- and are contradictory-<WBR>what are

antigen

> determinants on certain ?T cells, whose function very poorly

understood at this time.

> Their levels vary and are contradictory-<WBR>-patients can have

high levels

> or low levels and yet have same disease states or same level of

symptoms. SOME

> individuals may have a pattern of either raised

>

> ( and antigenic determinant is simply the part of the antigen that

the

> attack of the immune cells are directed at)and often several to

many determinants

> are expressed simultaneously making it even harder to tell their

function or

> importance.

>

> T cells come in many flavors--the cd57 is expressed on both CD4

and CD8

> types and is naturally low at birth and naturally increases with

age as well as

> in many illnesses ( HIV, cytomegalovirus, cancers etc)

> the cd8-cd57 play a role in tumor immunology only now being

defined.we dont

> even know what are " normal ranges " and many labs have widely

differing

> viewpoints.

>

> Immune responsive cells can be divided into five groups based on

i) the

> presence of specific surface components and ii) function: B-cells

(B

> lymphocytes) lymphocytes)<WBR>Immune responsive cells can bImmune res

can be divided into five

> groups based on i) the presence of specific surface component

>

> as for T cells:the kinds and their function:5 of them

> -CD3-

> -TCR = T cell receptor?? BOTH TCR and CD3 involved in humoral and

cell

> mediated responses

>

> -HELPER T??? ?CD4 - recognizes antigens with class II MHC;

promotes

> differentiation of B cells and cytotoxic T cells

> [] and activates macrophages

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> -Suppresor T???? CD8- downregulates other cells' activities

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> -Cytotoxic T?? CD8 ( NOT " killer cells " ) -recognizes antigens with

class I

> MHC; kills cells that have appropriate antigen

>

> there ARE other immune cells ( not T type) of " killer cells "

called K and NK

> that also carry cd57 expressions.

>

> NOTE that CD57 is expressed by BOTH CD4 and CD8 cells and some NK

cells

> therefore cannot be specific to any process.

>

> and basically even a cold virus or having been exposed to say

strep throat

> may change your CD57 regardless of your Lyme status/tx. No way to

tell.

>

> a good primer on immunology is here

> __http://www.cehs.http://www.http://www.cehshtt_

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(http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/hir.htm) )

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