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Becky wrote:

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> Sally, in my second paragraph I meant to say: " SOME alternative

> methods can [send the spirochete into cyst form] as well if not used

> properly " . Not all alternative methods send it into cyst form.

> Thanks,

> becky

>

> LymeAngl@... wrote:

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> And again, why would it matter? Are you suggesting

> that we are all guinea pigs in some grand master plan

> to eliminate otherwise, normal, healthy people?

Hi All,

The " cell wall deficient " form is probably the

most dangerous (see books by Lida Mattman) because

most antibiotics work by attacking the cell wall.

As far as the " grand plan " is concerned, rumor

has it that at the highest levels, it has been

decided that world population must be reduced to

to 1 billion.

I'm one of those who has never (to my knowledge)

had any of the commonly recognized acute symptoms.

At the time I discovered that I had Lyme I was

beginning to suffer from prostate enlargement,

which I never connected with Lyme until the

antibiotics cleared it up. Since then, that

condition returns if I stop antibiotics.

Jack

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Yes! That's what I am asking!:-) Is this all in the Rosner books? Thanks.:-)

Sally

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Hi Sally :)

Some alternatives that kill Lyme pathogen(s) don't create a

threatening environment. Our antibodies don't either. I think that's

what you're asking anyway? :)

Becky

>

> Thanks, Becky. I'll order that other book. I also have access to a

rife machine that my sister owns. I was wondering if antibiotics

created a hostile environment, then would alternatives that attack?

the bacteria... would our antibodies, themselves? I'm on antbiotics

because that is all I know to do right not and because I have felt

safer on them than off. I am not convinced on way or the other... tend

to be inclined to integrated... I am an OD who specializes in Chinese

meds and herbals as well as a LLMD (finally figured that one out).

Yes, I know people disagree on whether the cyst form can replicate...

Sally

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Thank you, ellen. I have a lot of questions... Sally

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Dear Sally,

Not to speak for , I'm sure she'll speak for herself, but I don't

think she is suggesting your questions are not welcome here.

best,

ellen

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My computer decided to tune out on me last night so I couldn't get the

post to go through that answered this question-- Seems ok again today,

though, thankfully :)

Yep, there's lots more info about this in 's books. I have other

info/sites/groups you might enjoy checking out as well. I'll send

those to your listed email later today if that's ok.

Take care,

Becky

>

> Yes! That's what I am asking!:-) Is this all in the Rosner books?

Thanks.:-) Sally

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Becky " <beckllen@...>

> Hi Sally :)

>

> Some alternatives that kill Lyme pathogen(s) don't create a

> threatening environment. Our antibodies don't either. I think that's

> what you're asking anyway? :)

>

> Becky

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Perfect! Thank you.:-)

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Becky " <beckllen@...>

My computer decided to tune out on me last night so I couldn't get the

post to go through that answered this question-- Seems ok again today,

though, thankfully :)

Yep, there's lots more info about this in 's books. I have other

info/sites/groups you might enjoy checking out as well. I'll send

those to your listed email later today if that's ok.

Take care,

Becky

>

> Yes! That's what I am asking!:-) Is this all in the Rosner books?

Thanks.:-) Sally

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Becky " <beckllen@...>

> Hi Sally :)

>

> Some alternatives that kill Lyme pathogen(s) don't create a

> threatening environment. Our antibodies don't either. I think that's

> what you're asking anyway? :)

>

> Becky

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Just take 180 mg of armour and you will be healed.

So says ........

On 8/24/08 6:32 PM, " Crystal " <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

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>

> How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

> CW

> P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

>

>

> " " He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou

> trust. " " Psalm 91:4

>

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I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine deficiency

does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

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Iodine has nothing to do with ovarian or uterine cysts. Gracia your funnies

just keep getting better, lol

According to you everything under the sun is connected to iodine deficiency,

lol

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I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

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Okay, so what does cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Anything thyroid related?

CW

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I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

" " He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou

trust. " " Psalm 91:4

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There is an iodine loading test right? I know there are some who say its

bogus, but is that something I can tell someone to ask for?

CW

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I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

" " He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou

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you can order Brownstein's book on iodine

http://www.drbrownstein.com

you can join the iodine group and ask if anyone has gotten rid of cysts there.

Gracia

Okay, so what does cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Anything thyroid related?

CW

-- Re: Cysts

I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

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No. It is a problem with the genes in the organ itself. Something triggers

the organ to produce the cyst. Some people get them and some don't. It tends

to run in families. Most of them are benign. It is only the larger ones that

are a concern. Those need to be biopsied. As long as you are not having

symptoms and the cyst is not large- then we don't do anything.

I have a cyst on my lt ovary and I have had it for years. It causes me no

problems and so we have left it there.

I have a cyst on my rt. Kidney- same thing. As long as it causes me no

problems I am not going to take it off.

As far as uterine cysts/ fibroids go- if it is causing excessive menses-

then they will take it out. With that organ- they might go ahead and biopsy.

If it is large and it keeps growing back then the concern is whether you

need to have a hysterectomy. But we do everything possible to avoid that.

Have you had any ultrasounds yet?

-- Re: Cysts

I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

" " He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou

trust. " " Psalm 91:4

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I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

hyperpigmented skin folds called acanthosis nigrans.

-- Re: Cysts

I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

http://www.optimox.com

http://www.iodine4health.com

Gracia

How can the thyroid cause ovarian/uterine cysts? Thanks

CW

P.S. Hurry with your answers before I get to bickering ; )

" " He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou

trust. " " Psalm 91:4

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this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

hyperpigmented skin folds called acanthosis nigrans.

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The missing fact here is that the low thyroid is not causing the cysts. The

two disorders are seen together but there is NO concrete evidence that low

functioning thyroid is causing the cysts. That is too simplistic. Many

factors come into play with PCOS disease- not just thyroid.

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this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

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Well the only way to find out is by her getting thyroid replacement. Her

docs want to jump in and give her a hysterectomy. She has constipation,

weight gain, memory loss, miscarriage, period misses, etc. If she were to

get thyroid replacement and the cysts resolved themselves then we will know.

I told her to make doc run right tests.

CW

-- Re: Cysts

this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

hyperpigmented skin folds called acanthosis nigrans.

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There's at least two loading tests. One is the skin loading test and is

COMPLETELY bogus in no uncertain terms, as it cannot possibly measure

what it claims to measure. People who promote it are either con artists

or ignorant.

The other test measures the iodine excreted in urine. If that is all

that's done it is not effective either, as urine is not the only path to

iodine elimination. I don't know if any of those who use the latter

bother to rule out the other methods or not; if they don't they are bogus.

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cysts>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:17 pm (PDT)

>

> There is an iodine loading test right? I know there are some who say its

> bogus, but is that something I can tell someone to ask for?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Cysts

>

>

> I don't think the thyroid causes ovarian/uterine cysts, but iodine

> deficiency does. taking enough iodine/iodide will solve the problem.

> http://www.optimox.com <http://www.optimox.com>

> http://www.iodine4health.com <http://www.iodine4health.com>

> Gracia

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CW‹it depends on what type of cysts they are.

I have had surgery twice for ovarian cyst removal.

Some are benign tissue growth, others are dermoid which is actual bone,

hair, grease and they are also benign.

And then there is the ³C² type.

If you google ovarian or uterine cysts you will find a lo about it.

Doctors have different styles on how to treat. Some just watch. Others want

the ovary(ies) out and others yet just the cysts can be removed.

In my two cases, I had just the cysts removed and left the ovaries intact.

Sue

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> CW

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They want to give her a hysterectomy because she has PCOD?? That goes not

make sense at all. The uterus is not diseases- it is the hormones that are

out of whack and causing menstural irregularities. Unless she has fibroids

and they keep coming back despite all other treatment and she has to have

blood transfusions because she is losing so mush blood- we don't consider a

hysterectomy until there is nothing left to consider.

Haven't they tried her on birth control pills yet? Using OCP's really does

work in this disease along with increased exercise.

-- Re: Cysts

this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

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Did I tell you how they figured out that she isn't hypo? They tested her

cholesterol and since those tests were normal, they decided she didn't have

thyroid problems. We need to start adding stupid things doctors do to the

database.

CW

-- Re: Cysts

this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

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yeah but if her cholesterol were high they wouldn't give her thyroid meds

either!!!! they would give her cholesterol meds.

if she would just get iodine/iodide, her TSH would go up temporarily as the

NIS worked to pull iodine/iodide into cells. then maybe she would be given meds

or would only need iodine. if she does not get iodine, she is at risk for

developing sex organ cancers. (read the sites to verify this). losing body

parts is not a solution.

Gracia

Did I tell you how they figured out that she isn't hypo? They tested her

cholesterol and since those tests were normal, they decided she didn't have

thyroid problems. We need to start adding stupid things doctors do to the

database.

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Geez. Those providers need to be reported. Where did they go the medical

school?

Can you get her to another more competent provider?

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this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

hyperpigmented skin folds called acanthosis nigrans.

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I am trying to now. Thanks

CW

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this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

Gracia

I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

according to some researchers.

Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

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Uh, is her surgeon " late " on his BMW payment, again?

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Nancie Barnett <

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> They want to give her a hysterectomy because she has PCOD?? That goes

> not

> make sense at all. The uterus is not diseases- it is the hormones that are

> out of whack and causing menstural irregularities. Unless she has fibroids

> and they keep coming back despite all other treatment and she has to have

> blood transfusions because she is losing so mush blood- we don't consider a

> hysterectomy until there is nothing left to consider.

> Haven't they tried her on birth control pills yet? Using OCP's really does

> work in this disease along with increased exercise.

>

> -- Re: Cysts

>

>

> this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

> Gracia

>

> I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

> ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

>

> 1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

>

> A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

> according to some researchers.

>

> Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

> hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

> testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

> infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

>

> Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

> hyperpigmented skin folds called acanthosis nigrans.

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Hehehe, ya think?

CW

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>

> this is true b/c hypos are iodine deficient. (really)

> Gracia

>

> I found this that says that it can be thyroid related. http://www

> ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/news12-hypothyroidism.html

>

> 1) Hypothyroidism and PCOS

>

> A number of women with PCOS may also have an underactive thyroid gland

> according to some researchers.

>

> Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) can lead to a reduction of sex

> hormone binding globulin and increase in free testosterone. Free

> testosterone is one of the factors contributing to PCOS symptoms --

> infertility polycystic ovaries hirsutism male pattern hair loss and acne.

>

> Women with hypothyroidism also are more likely to have velvety

> hyperpigmented skin folds called acanthosis nigrans.

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