Re: Help with Carditis until I get to the dr...non ER :)

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Does your heart go out of rythm?

Does your blood pressure go way down but your pulse goes way up?

My hubby has that problem when he drinks too much caffeine.

Went to a Cardiologist and he gave him Atenenlol 25 mg.

It is suppose to keep the heart from going out of rythm

He said nothing was wrong with his heart, just the electrical at the top of

the

heart goes wacky sometimes, especially with too much caffeine, but he said

the other things you can do when this happens to stop it, is bare down as if

you are going to the bathroom really hard, and also to put your finger down

your

throat and gag, do that a few times and sometimes the heart gets normal.

My hubby stopped taking the atenenlol because he thought it gave him a

headache--------------- really???? a headache is better in my book, then

my

heart going crazy.

Hope this helps alittle.

If the doctors are anything like in Madison, Wisconsin, you will be getting

NO

help for Lyme.

Good Luck.

Dixie

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:46 PM, nosleep4mommy <annegoggans@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of message

> (thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my book

> to use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has

> heart palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

>

> some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I

> have a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

> unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

> have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

>

> I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't

> have any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and

> treat our son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had

> just moved to a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do

> not have that luxury for myself as well. I have an appointment for next

> month...always takes longer to get a new patient in.

>

> Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

> probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he

> probably won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that

> is where my issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and

> recommendations to determine if I will go back or not.

>

> I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a

> GAPS diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really

> don't want to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to

> attend to. My family needs me too

>

> In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

> fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29

> (time for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny

> like this). There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart

> thing is really taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet,

> but is there something that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am

> reaching at straws here hoping that something will help.

>

> Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it

> together right now.

>

> Anne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For me, magnesium and CoQ10 [ubiquinol form - good explanation found on

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/ve_newsletter.php/nID/12) help with heart

symptoms. Some people on various groups have written about hawthorn which I

haven't tried but is supposed to be good for the heart so you might look into

it.

Many types of magnesium out there. For oral, I use magnesium glycinate as it is

a chelated form and supposedly absorbs better. I have read many opinions about

which form of magnesium is best for Lyme but I am happy with what I'm using.

Other ways to take magnesium:

epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) in the tub, although supposedly this form of

magnesium clears very quickly from the body - probably good for sore muscles

magnesium chloride flakes (Ancient Minerals brand) can be used in the tub or

some people add to water and soak their feet in it for 20 min or more

transdermal magnesium chloride (Ancient Minerals brand but Swanson has a product

that is much less expensive although some believe it is not as pure or may

contain toxins, thus cheaper to manufacture and sell) is an " oil " that you spray

on and allow to soak in for 20 minutes before showering off. This can itch or

burn so people often dilute it 50% with water and then work up to higher

concentration as they tolerate it better. I tried this for many months but went

back to the oral magnesium glycinate which works fine for me.

deb

>

> Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of message

(thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my book to

use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has heart

palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

>

> some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I

have a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

>

> I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't have

any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and treat our

son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had just moved

to a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do not have that

luxury for myself as well. I have an appointment for next month...always takes

longer to get a new patient in.

>

> Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he probably

won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that is where my

issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and recommendations

to determine if I will go back or not.

>

> I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a GAPS

diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really don't want

to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to attend to. My

family needs me too

>

> In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29 (time

for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny like this).

There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart thing is really

taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet, but is there something

that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am reaching at straws here hoping

that something will help.

>

> Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it together

right now.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne

I am new to this board, but have been doing protocols to treat the lyme for

years.

Get a good source of transdermal magnesium as well as a good source for oral.

Lyme infected people are severely deficient in magnesium, and magnesium

deficiency will cause heart palpitations as well as a host of other problems and

it can help all of these things dramatically.

Are you getting a good source of minerals and good diet and have someone to

guide you with detoxing?

I had the same problem-- and in fact, had a heart attack many years ago, prior

to being diagiosed with Lyme. It is Babesia that targets the heart and lungs.

u need the transdermal in order to get high enough quantities into your system

to make a differnce, by oral route that would cause diarrhea.

BTW, magnesium injections are used is emergency room medicine, for heart attack

or stroke patients.

Best Regards,

[Guest guest]

I use injectible magnesium.....easy to absorb.

Jazzman

[ ] Re: Help with Carditis until I get to the dr...non ER

For me, magnesium and CoQ10 [ubiquinol form - good explanation found on

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/ve_newsletter.php/nID/12) help with heart

symptoms. Some people on various groups have written about hawthorn which I

haven't tried but is supposed to be good for the heart so you might look into

it.

Many types of magnesium out there. For oral, I use magnesium glycinate as it is

a chelated form and supposedly absorbs better. I have read many opinions about

which form of magnesium is best for Lyme but I am happy with what I'm using.

Other ways to take magnesium:

epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) in the tub, although supposedly this form of

magnesium clears very quickly from the body - probably good for sore muscles

magnesium chloride flakes (Ancient Minerals brand) can be used in the tub or

some people add to water and soak their feet in it for 20 min or more

transdermal magnesium chloride (Ancient Minerals brand but Swanson has a product

that is much less expensive although some believe it is not as pure or may

contain toxins, thus cheaper to manufacture and sell) is an " oil " that you spray

on and allow to soak in for 20 minutes before showering off. This can itch or

burn so people often dilute it 50% with water and then work up to higher

concentration as they tolerate it better. I tried this for many months but went

back to the oral magnesium glycinate which works fine for me.

deb

>

> Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of message

(thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my book to

use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has heart

palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

>

> some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I

have a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

>

> I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't have

any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and treat our

son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had just moved to

a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do not have that luxury

for myself as well. I have an appointment for next month...always takes longer

to get a new patient in.

>

> Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he probably

won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that is where my

issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and recommendations

to determine if I will go back or not.

>

> I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a GAPS

diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really don't want

to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to attend to. My

family needs me too

>

> In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29 (time

for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny like this).

There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart thing is really

taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet, but is there something

that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am reaching at straws here hoping

that something will help.

>

> Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it together

right now.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

CoQ10 (up to 400mg), fish oil (up to 10,000 mg) and magnesium (as much as you

can take without getting diarrhea) should help.

~dory

From: nosleep4mommy <annegoggans@...>

Subject: [ ] Help with Carditis until I get to the dr...non ER

Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:46 PM

 

Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of

message (thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my

book to use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has

heart palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I have

a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't have

any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and treat our

son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had just moved

to a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do not have that

luxury for myself as well. I have an appointment for next month...always takes

longer to get a new patient in.

Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he probably

won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that is where my

issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and recommendations

to determine if I will go back or not.

I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a GAPS

diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really don't want

to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to attend to. My

family needs me too

In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29 (time

for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny like this).

There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart thing is really

taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet, but is there something

that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am reaching at straws here hoping

that something will help.

Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it together

right now.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Yes, magnesium! You might also do something to detox as I too have had heart

issues most of my Lyme life until I really worked on detoxing.

For me that was infarred saunas, epsom salt baths (which will make your

heart beat faster if it's hot, but when you get into bed, in finally slows

down and I fall asleep wonderfully), lipsomal glutathione, (went to look at

bottle) tumeric (which you can use more of if you're herxing), lymph

brushing and lymph massages.OH, and coffee enemas - I take french green clay

before to grab all the toxins on the way out.

It does wear you down; especially when " doctors " who are suppose to be

helping us act as tho we're making this stuff up. No one believed me - all

those yrs - preaching to the choir here I know.

Just rest is all you can do to let your body heal. I fought that for awhile

and became more frustrated and miserable. Sleep in and rest whenver you can

- give your body a chance to take you thru life longer and happier!

nancy

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Liese

Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Help with Carditis until I get to the

dr...non ER

CoQ10 (up to 400mg), fish oil (up to 10,000 mg) and magnesium (as much as

you can take without getting diarrhea) should help.

~dory

From: nosleep4mommy <annegoggans@... <mailto:annegoggans%40>

>

Subject: [ ] Help with Carditis until I get to the dr...non ER

<mailto: %40>

Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:46 PM

Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of message

(thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my book

to use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has

heart palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I

have a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't

have any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and

treat our son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had

just moved to a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do

not have that luxury for myself as well. I have an appointment for next

month...always takes longer to get a new patient in.

Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he

probably won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that

is where my issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and

recommendations to determine if I will go back or not.

I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a

GAPS diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really

don't want to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to

attend to. My family needs me too

In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29

(time for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny

like this). There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart

thing is really taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet,

but is there something that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am

reaching at straws here hoping that something will help.

Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it

together right now.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Anne, Do you have access to a cardiologist? I could not tell from your post if

you are covered by insurance.

My suggestion is to get to a cardiologist, or the ER. Women's heart issues show

up differently from men and we need to pay attention. I had skipped beats; it

concerned me and my doc office. They got me in within a day and did an

electrocardiogram. The GP said it was nothing to worry about, but I went to

another provider and got a referral to a good cardiologist. He was much more

thorough and ordered an echocardiogram as well as checking the carotid for

plaque (don't know the name of that test).

I found that the anxiety about my heart symptoms to be very stressful and I

decided to not just live with it. I hope you have the insurance to go ahead and

give yourself the peace of mind that comes from getting it checked out.

Best of luck, jo

>

> Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of message

(thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my book to

use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has heart

palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

>

> some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I

have a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

>

> I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't have

any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and treat our

son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had just moved

to a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do not have that

luxury for myself as well. I have an appointment for next month...always takes

longer to get a new patient in.

>

> Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he probably

won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that is where my

issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and recommendations

to determine if I will go back or not.

>

> I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a GAPS

diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really don't want

to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to attend to. My

family needs me too

>

> In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29 (time

for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny like this).

There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart thing is really

taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet, but is there something

that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am reaching at straws here hoping

that something will help.

>

> Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it together

right now.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I hear you when you say you are barely hanging on.

I can only talk from experience because I am also new here, but far from new to

lyme. some of my first problems started with breathing problems and my heart

skipping beats, so much so that they did heart monitors on me several times. I

ended up with severe autonomic dysfunction. I would be doing something, usually

physical and end up passing out on the spot. My heart would pound in my chest

and yet my blood pressure would drop. Have you been tested for Othostatic

Hypotension by a tilt table test? It seems that the othostatic hypotension and

palpatations go together. I am on Cymbalta and it seems to have taken care of

the blood pressure issues and the palpatations, last time I had a doc listen to

my heart he said it wasn't skipping anymore. I do still suffer from extreme

fatigue and sometimes do wonder if it is from my heart.

just my 2 cents worth

may we all be well someday!

>

> >I really need some additional input if anyone has heart

palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

I posted the following to you at 8:24 am but don't know what happened so here

goes again.

I am new to this board, but have been doing different protocols to treat the

lyme since I was diagnosed in 2005.

Being misdiagnosed and untreated led to a heart attack in 1997. I have

discovered that it is the Babesia that targets the heart and lungs.

I would suggest that in addition to your Buhner protocol, you get a good source

of transdermal magnesium as well as a good source for oral. Transdermal

magnesium is needed in order to get high enough quantities into your system to

make a difference, by oral route that would cause diarrhea.

Lyme infected people are severely deficient in magnesium, and magnesium

deficiency will cause heart palpitations as well as a host of other problems and

it can help all of those things dramatically.

Also, the spirochetes love magnesiuum, but don't fall prey to the idea that

because of this, you will starve them by not using it, lyme patients need it

even more!

" Symptoms of magnesium deficiency include muscle cramps and weakness, pain,

fatigue and insomnia, confusion, heart problems and stress intolerance.

Magnesium plays a very important role in energy production. "

" Magnesium deficiency is common amongst Lyme patients and also in the general

population. The deficiency is often missed by physicians due to the reliance on

serum tests instead of the magnesium levels within the red blood cells as well

as signs and symptoms. To further complicate matters, the antibiotics used to

treat Lyme disease can deplete magnesium and other important nutrients. "

Do you also have a good source for other minerals, have a good diet and someone

to guide you with detoxing?

BTW, magnesium injections are used is emergency room medicine, for heart attack

and stroke patients, so if your doctor is saavy and recognizes this, he/she may

help you in determining if this is appropriate in your case.

Wishing you the best,

>

> Hi friends, this is not an immediate...got to get to the ER kind of message

(thank goodness). I am still awaiting on my SLOW ground shipping of my book to

use as reference, but I really need some additional input if anyone has heart

palpitation/skipping/pounding out there.

>

> some days are worse than others, and it is almost ALWAYS in the evening. I

have a hard time getting to bed even though I am tired because it is such an

unpleasant experience to lay there and listen to my scared heart. Now that I

have learned more about it, it worries me a little more

>

> I had grown used to it...although it went away for a year or so. I don't have

any blood tests for myself, because we are using the money to test and treat our

son. I am then forced to see standard non llmd physicians. We had just moved

to a new town, so I am treating our son in Cincinnati...but do not have that

luxury for myself as well. I have an appointment for next month...always takes

longer to get a new patient in.

>

> Do you have any tips on what to tell the physician for myself (not llmd) I

probably need to get my heart checked out in addition to lyme (which he probably

won't do anyway) I will mention that I believe I have lyme and that is where my

issues are from. I guess I will have to guage his reactions and recommendations

to determine if I will go back or not.

>

> I am taking knotweed and hawthorne as well as eating very very well on a GAPS

diet (gapsdiet.com for info) It is just wearing me down and I really don't want

to leave this world quite yet. I still have a lot of business to attend to. My

family needs me too

>

> In addition to the heard palpitations and irregular beats, I get EXTREME

fatigue, dizziness, pressure in the neck (new), I had colon cancer at 29 (time

for another colonoscopy, but I hate to go under with my heart funny like this).

There are other symptoms that have come and gone, but the heart thing is really

taking over my life now. I know there is no magic bullet, but is there something

that helped you with your heart symptoms? I am reaching at straws here hoping

that something will help.

>

> Thanks so much for reading this long mess. Having trouble keeping it together

right now.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

For those of you who take binders before sauna or CEs, how do you stand the

clays? I tried to choke down a tbps of bentonite clay after a FIR sauna today

and it almost choked me to death before it slowly worked it's way down my

esophagus. I did mix it with water but it sets up very quickly.

Thanks.

>

OH, and coffee enemas - I take french green clay

> before to grab all the toxins on the way out.

[Guest guest]

French green clay is available in capsules through Swanson

(http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW1222/ItemDetail?n=0 - $4.94 for 60 caps but

not sure of dose). There is also a supplement my ND suggested called Toxin

AbsorbMax by Advanced Naturals which is a combination of charcoal, apple pectin,

and glucomannan. The dose is 4 capsules at one time.

deb

> >

> OH, and coffee enemas - I take french green clay

> > before to grab all the toxins on the way out.

>

[Guest guest]

I think you should add a lot more water. I usually add it to apple or orange

juice which make it easier to drink.

Connie

[ ] Re: Help with Carditis until I get to the dr...non ER

For those of you who take binders before sauna or CEs, how do you stand the

clays? I tried to choke down a tbps of bentonite clay after a FIR sauna today

and it almost choked me to death before it slowly worked it's way down my

esophagus. I did mix it with water but it sets up very quickly.

Thanks.