Elevated liver enzymes

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello everyone,

> I just had some blood tests done and my liver enzymes have doubled in

> the past month. Could this be from die off? Or should I worry about

> something else. I have been feeling pretty bad but I've attributed

it

> to die off symptoms. Please let me know what you think.

> Thanks so much.

==>Hi Heidi. Yes your liver will be handling more toxins from the

candida being killed off so it is a die-off symptom. It is recommended

you do coffee enemas to help decongest your liver and adrenals, and

also ensure you are having 6 glasses of the Electrolyte Drink, along

with dry skin brushing every day, Epsom salt baths, etc. See my

article " How to Detoxify Effectively " which is in the " Candida

Symptoms, Help For " Folder in our Group's Files (left menu).

If you are feeling quite bad you might be trying to change over to the

diet too quickly or you need to cut back on antifungal amounts, i.e.

coconut oil. If you start taking another antifungal or probiotic too

soon it will also cause more die-off symptoms, which isn't necessary.

Take your time so you do not overwhelm your body.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I think summer is what has caused the silence. People naturally are doing more and then are tired more.

Pam as you know my liver enzymes are always elevated. My regular doctors never have done anything about it but my naturpathic doctor is treating it.

Something must be in the air because I too have been in a terrible flare for the longest time now. The fatique and pain have just been terrible. Today, a dry, sunny and breezy day I had a whopper of a migraine. Cannot even blame the weather.

I truly hope they find something that helps you. It is always a great hope that there is a medical reason other than Fibro or CFS that can be treated and Voila you are so much better. I hope that is it for you. Elevated enzymes is a sign that something is not right. Something not right means it affects you body and you feel ill. So here is to finding the cause and an cure. My prayers are with you.

Big summer hugs,

Sue

From: Pam Horne <pamhorne@...>Subject: Re: Hello, this is how I feel today., 7/10/2009, 8:00 am Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 1:25 PM

Where is everybody? I began to think that I had stopped getting emails from this group. All of a sudden everyone is silent.

Today I'm doing OK--fair. I had a liver ultrasound this morning, but have not received the results yet. I have been in a big flare for more than 3 weeks now, so finally went to the doctor this past Monday, just to make sure it's not something other than a big flare. She took away the Savella that I've been taking for about 2 months now, and she replaced it with something called Prestiq. That did stop my upset stomach, but so far everything else remains the same. I had the ultrasound because my liver enzymes have been elevated for the past 3 blood tests.

This is one of those times when I don't know what I want to hear from the doc. I don't want anything to be wrong with my liver; then again, I sure would like to find some reason for feeling so awful for so long--something that can be treated and ultimately fixed. I always wish for the impossible.

Pam

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Thanks Sue, I appreciate it. I'm sorry that you're not feeling well either. I've got a headache right now. I don't have migraines, but I keep getting these dull headaches that are just plain aggravating. Amazingly, it's been nice weather here too. Low humidity and no searing heat either. Of course, we could use some rain--I have mixed emotions about that for obvious reasons.

I hope we can both find some relief from this soon.

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Yep... mine were all over the place during treatment... meant nothing..  I still cleared.   RELAX.  Gloria had the same issue.  BREATHE.  You are going to be fine.On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Rain Beau <annamariestitt@...> wrote:

 

Hi my hdoc wants me to come back in next week for elevated liver enzymes i am in week 21 of tx has anyone experienced similiar experience?

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Hi,

At my annual exam last week, my PCP ran blood tests, and she just called me to

tell me the liver enzymes are elevated - they were never elevated previously

while I was on antibiotics (on them for 5 mos last year). We are trying to

figure it out and she does not know much about herbs.

I started the Buhner protocol in mid December I am now on:

4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Andrographis, Knotweed and Sarsparilla

And tinctures of Eleuthero, Stephania and Teasel Root.

I am also taking 500mg Vit C, 5,000 mcg B12, 200 mg CoQ10, and Boluoke (2 caps a

day).

I have also had daily nausea since January and some abdominal pain.

I have searched this site for previous posts about liver enzymes and just wanted

to know what is the most recent recommendations for what to do if this happens.

[Guest guest]

I started the protocol in December too and am on most of the herbs you're

on. I had blood work a few weeks ago and my liver enzymes were high too. I'm

using red root which helps tremendously and just started castor oil packs

over my liver, three times a week. I've noticed my abdominal pain has

subsided since adding these two. Consider adding some detox elements to help

support your liver.

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On Feb 19, 2011, at 7:03 PM, karend27 <karend27@...> wrote:

Hi,

At my annual exam last week, my PCP ran blood tests, and she just called me

to tell me the liver enzymes are elevated - they were never elevated

previously while I was on antibiotics (on them for 5 mos last year). We are

trying to figure it out and she does not know much about herbs.

I started the Buhner protocol in mid December I am now on:

4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Andrographis, Knotweed and Sarsparilla

And tinctures of Eleuthero, Stephania and Teasel Root.

I am also taking 500mg Vit C, 5,000 mcg B12, 200 mg CoQ10, and Boluoke (2

caps a day).

I have also had daily nausea since January and some abdominal pain.

I have searched this site for previous posts about liver enzymes and just

wanted to know what is the most recent recommendations for what to do if

this happens.

[Guest guest]

>

> catsclaw can be hard on the liver, and stephania too problably. I agree with

the other suggestions: you can try milk thistle for liver protection and red

rood and some detox product to help with processing of toxic remains.

Milk thistle is not really 'protective' for the liver: it slows down some of the

chemical processing in the liver. So the liver takes it slow, buit there also is

a downside. If you are taking a lot of herbs/medicines, it usually means your

effective dose is increasing, and toxicity problems may increase as well. So I

think it is more effective to first try the detox solutions.

[Guest guest]

The castor oil packs intrigue me but they do smell very fishy?

I bought some castor oil gel caps for a different reason - I read that they can

reduce spots on skin. Decided to try it on my hands. Cut open a capsule,

rubbed it on. Could NOT tolerate the smell. Would rather have the spots.

However, liver support/detox is an entirely different thing.

deb

>

>

>

> Hi,

> At my annual exam last week, my PCP ran blood tests, and she just called me

> to tell me the liver enzymes are elevated - they were never elevated

> previously while I was on antibiotics (on them for 5 mos last year). We are

> trying to figure it out and she does not know much about herbs.

> I started the Buhner protocol in mid December I am now on:

> 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Andrographis, Knotweed and Sarsparilla

> And tinctures of Eleuthero, Stephania and Teasel Root.

> I am also taking 500mg Vit C, 5,000 mcg B12, 200 mg CoQ10, and Boluoke (2

> caps a day).

> I have also had daily nausea since January and some abdominal pain.

> I have searched this site for previous posts about liver enzymes and just

> wanted to know what is the most recent recommendations for what to do if

> this happens.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I purchased the Home Health brand and don't notice an odor. During a

consultation with , she recommended the castor oil packs as a method

of helping the liver. I can only speak from a week of personal experience

and I'm noticing improvements.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2011, at 9:25 AM, " Deb57 " <ds@...> wrote:

The castor oil packs intrigue me but they do smell very fishy?

I bought some castor oil gel caps for a different reason - I read that they

can reduce spots on skin. Decided to try it on my hands. Cut open a capsule,

rubbed it on. Could NOT tolerate the smell. Would rather have the spots.

However, liver support/detox is an entirely different thing.

deb

>

>

>

> Hi,

> At my annual exam last week, my PCP ran blood tests, and she just called

me

> to tell me the liver enzymes are elevated - they were never elevated

> previously while I was on antibiotics (on them for 5 mos last year). We

are

> trying to figure it out and she does not know much about herbs.

> I started the Buhner protocol in mid December I am now on:

> 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Andrographis, Knotweed and Sarsparilla

> And tinctures of Eleuthero, Stephania and Teasel Root.

> I am also taking 500mg Vit C, 5,000 mcg B12, 200 mg CoQ10, and Boluoke (2

> caps a day).

> I have also had daily nausea since January and some abdominal pain.

> I have searched this site for previous posts about liver enzymes and just

> wanted to know what is the most recent recommendations for what to do if

> this happens.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What are your recommendations for detox solutions??

I don't know much about detox; I'm a biochemist, detox for lymies seems too

complex an issue for science. We have no clue what we are 'detoxing' from, all

the talk about 'Borrelia biotoxins' is basically speculation, there is very

little hard fact. If you don't know what you are trying to get rid of, it is

difficult to say what stuff you should use for the detox.

So it is better to listen to alternative practitioners who often have a

tradition of using it as a general cure, and hope that their treatment works for

lyme as well.

I have used chlorella for detox, pretty safe IMHO but some people don't tolerate

it (so start slowly). There are some similar products that bind certain

chemicals and help to remove them from the circulation.

I have often heard about use of stuff like bentonite clay in other cultures but

haven't tried it myself. I have read about Cholestyramine (Questran) and

wouldn't touch it myself, as the potential side effects are severe.

There are many other alternative treatments that potentially help with detox,

e.g. sauna, massage, epsom salt baths.

[Guest guest]

I must still disagree with your statement. I have a slow processing liver and I

have been taking milk thistle for a couple of months now. I would have noticed

if it slowed down my liver even more as I am very sensitive to my body's

responses and reactions. I think that it is a good supplement to try and see for

yourself if it works.

" There is nothing more certain than a closed mind " .

Connie

[ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

>

>

> I don't know that your statement is true. Please read

>

> http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-milk-thistle.html

Silymarin has anti-oxidant and anti-inflammation properties, but those are

common for herbs. E.g. most of the Buhner herbs and a large percentage of the

vegetables and fruits that we eat have these properties. Knotweed (resveratrol)

for example is a much better anti-oxidant.

The only solid action that I know from the scientific literature is that it

slows down some of the detox pathways in the liver. This effect is very

pronounced, and often is interpreted as 'protecting the liver', which it may or

may not do in reality (depends on what type of toxins one is dealing with).

If you read the article well, most of the other supposed effects are unproven,

studies are contradictory or the effect only exists in special conditions (which

often means that the interpretation is wrong).

[Guest guest]

Then this is this from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_thistle

Toxin-induced liver damage

Research suggests that milk thistle extracts both prevent and repair damage to

the liver from toxic chemicals and medications. Workers who had been exposed to

vapors from toxic chemicals (toluene and/or xylene) for 5–20 years were given

either a standardized milk thistle extract (80% silymarin) or placebo for 30

days.[15] The workers taking the milk thistle extract showed significant

improvement in liver function tests (ALT and AST) and platelet counts vs. the

placebo group.

The efficacy of silymarin in preventing drug-induced liver damage in patients

taking psychotropic drugs long-term has been investigated.[16] This class of

drugs is known to cause liver damage from oxidation of lipids. Patients taking

silymarin in the study had less hepatic damage from the oxidation of lipids than

patients taking the placebo.

In a 2009 study published in the journal Cancer, milk thistle showed promise in

reducing the liver damaging effects of chemotherapy in a study of 50

children.[17][18]

Connie

Re: [ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

When a source sells the product it is promoting for its specific health

benefits, I tend to look further for information. There's an inherent conflict

of interest.

-----Original Message-----

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I must still disagree with your statement. I have a slow processing liver and

I have been taking milk thistle for a couple of months now. I would have noticed

if it slowed down my liver even more as I am very sensitive to my body's

responses and reactions. I think that it is a good supplement to try and see for

yourself if it works.

I never said milk thistle is not good; I have used it myself for some time (but

didn't notice any benefit). I agree that people can try what works for them. But

I think some caution is in order, especially for those who use prescription

medicine or on certain antibiotics (especially with more toxic stuff like

flagyl).

What is a 'slow liver'? There are more than ten different detox systems in the

liver, their speed an efficiency varies on an individual basis. It is unlikely

that all of your detox routes are 'slow', and sillymarin influences only some of

them.

[Guest guest]

>

The workers taking the milk thistle extract showed significant improvement in

liver function tests (ALT and AST) and platelet counts vs. the placebo group.

Yes, BUT the reasons these tests improve is that the liver slows down! Not that

it is suddenly healed.

Btw, don't trust wikipedia for medical issues, there is lots of very bad

(commercially influenced) info there. If you don't believe it just read the Lyme

pages on Wikipedia, they are full of junk.

[Guest guest]

Found some information on Planet Thrive about this.

says, " ...The best thing to use for elevated liver enzymes is 1200

mg of STANDARDIZED milk thistle seed daily, NOT regular milk thistle. You

can also add in fresh beet juice and a lot of artichoke hearts. I have had

the best success from these... "

http://planetthrive.com/2008/05/liver-supporttoxicity/

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:19 PM, karend27 <karend27@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

> At my annual exam last week, my PCP ran blood tests, and she just called me

> to tell me the liver enzymes are elevated - they were never elevated

> previously while I was on antibiotics (on them for 5 mos last year). We are

> trying to figure it out and she does not know much about herbs.

> I started the Buhner protocol in mid December I am now on:

> 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Andrographis, Knotweed and Sarsparilla

> And tinctures of Eleuthero, Stephania and Teasel Root.

> I am also taking 500mg Vit C, 5,000 mcg B12, 200 mg CoQ10, and Boluoke (2

> caps a day).

> I have also had daily nausea since January and some abdominal pain.

> I have searched this site for previous posts about liver enzymes and just

> wanted to know what is the most recent recommendations for what to do if

> this happens.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Detox support is critical to herx survival. For me, glutathione helps. I use

ReadiSorb brand liposomal glutathione. Supposed to grease the detox pathways.

Here are some other ideas. My advice is to find what works for you!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/glutathione-the-mother-of_b_530494.h\

tml

http://www.lymebook.com/liver

> > >

> > > catsclaw can be hard on the liver, and stephania too problably. I agree

> > with the other suggestions: you can try milk thistle for liver protection

> > and red rood and some detox product to help with processing of toxic

> > remains.

> >

> > Milk thistle is not really 'protective' for the liver: it slows down some

> > of the chemical processing in the liver. So the liver takes it slow, buit

> > there also is a downside. If you are taking a lot of herbs/medicines, it

> > usually means your effective dose is increasing, and toxicity problems may

> > increase as well. So I think it is more effective to first try the detox

> > solutions.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just wanted to post an update. My Lyme doctor suggested stopping the

andrographis, and sure enough within a few days, the nausea I had been

experiencing, and the stomach and pain in my side went away. A few days ago (a

month after stopping the andro) I had my liver enzymes checked again and they

are now fine.

A homeopath I go to did say that because andro is considered beneficial for the

liver it could also have the opposite effect too for some people.

I did do two other things as well as stopping the andro - I started taking red

root tincture, and coconut oil three times a day.

The only thing that came back abnormal was she said my blood was slightly

lipemic, and she suggested maybe taking a cholesterol test. She also said it

might be because I had my blood taken right after lunch, although I do not

remember having a very fatty meal.

This is interesting to me because I have noted on this board a couple of folks

reporting high cholesterol levels with the Buhner protocol.

In general, I eat pretty healthily, no processed foods, try to keep low sugar,

no fried foods really.

I'm not sure whether I should get the cholesterol test or not.

[Guest guest]

My cholesterol is also slightly up, but don't know if that is all bad. I'm

hearing lately that too much ado is made over cholesterol levels in order to

sell more drugs to lower it. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

> This is interesting to me because I have noted on this board a couple of folks

reporting high cholesterol levels with the Buhner protocol.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

 

   I know that cholesterol level guidelines have seemed to follow the

available drugs. When welchol was dominant 300 was the upper limit. Now those 

guidelines have lowered substantially, but there seems to be some change as to

looking  at the balance between good and bad cholesterol in the last 5-10

years. Personally I have friends whose entire family has cholesterol in the

7-800 range and their family lives until their 80's. The Drs have tried to lower

with statins to no avail. There seems to be a large part of genetics at work

here. Cholesterol, especially the bad kind, can be a good predictor of the

potential to have a problem. Not a guarantee though. Follow your Dr's advice as

he will know your families history and your risk factor.

 

   My cholesterol went up slightly (about 10-20 pts) on Buhners, but it could

also have been diet, lack of exercise or any number of factors that could also

have caused it. IMHO it is hard to assess Buhners impact on cholesterol as their

are so many other contributing factors.

 

   Jeff

From: klcwd <klcwd@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 6:14 AM

 

My cholesterol is also slightly up, but don't know if that is all bad. I'm

hearing lately that too much ado is made over cholesterol levels in order to

sell more drugs to lower it. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

> This is interesting to me because I have noted on this board a couple of folks

reporting high cholesterol levels with the Buhner protocol.

[Guest guest]

>

> My cholesterol is also slightly up, but don't know if that is all bad. I'm

hearing lately that too much ado is made over cholesterol levels in order to

sell more drugs to lower it. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

yes, totally agree that it is overblown and marketing BS. Cholesterol is NOT

important, the real issue is LDL/HDL etc. which is mostly fixed genetically. You

can try to influence this all the way you want, but the body will try to push

the balance back to where it thinks it belongs. Trust your body, and not the

Pharma or Food mob..

The 'science' behind this (some of it is coming from Unilever in my own country)

is heavily biased in order to sell certain processed food oils (plant fat

instead of animal fat, which is NOT by definition an improvement) and

pharmaceutical drugs like statins.

Only if your cholesterol level changes strongly, then it may be time to check

what is going on. In itself higher cholesterol is not an issue.

[Guest guest]

Has anyone found an inexpensive place to purchase the glut?

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of hadleypr

Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

Detox support is critical to herx survival. For me, glutathione helps. I use

ReadiSorb brand liposomal glutathione. Supposed to grease the detox

pathways. Here are some other ideas. My advice is to find what works for

you!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/glutathione-the-mother-of_b_5304

94.html

http://www.lymebook.com/liver

> > >

> > > catsclaw can be hard on the liver, and stephania too problably. I

agree

> > with the other suggestions: you can try milk thistle for liver

protection

> > and red rood and some detox product to help with processing of toxic

> > remains.

> >

> > Milk thistle is not really 'protective' for the liver: it slows down

some

> > of the chemical processing in the liver. So the liver takes it slow,

buit

> > there also is a downside. If you are taking a lot of herbs/medicines, it

> > usually means your effective dose is increasing, and toxicity problems

may

> > increase as well. So I think it is more effective to first try the detox

> > solutions.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard the Red Yeast Rice has an action like a statin in lowering

cholesterol. 600mg/day at night seems to be what I am hearing. I use the

Nature's answer brand.

nancy

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jeff Hickson

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 5:32 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

Hi ,

I know that cholesterol level guidelines have seemed to follow the

available drugs. When welchol was dominant 300 was the upper limit. Now

those guidelines have lowered substantially, but there seems to be some

change as to looking at the balance between good and bad cholesterol in the

last 5-10 years. Personally I have friends whose entire family has

cholesterol in the 7-800 range and their family lives until their 80's. The

Drs have tried to lower with statins to no avail. There seems to be a large

part of genetics at work here. Cholesterol, especially the bad kind, can be

a good predictor of the potential to have a problem. Not a guarantee though.

Follow your Dr's advice as he will know your families history and your risk

factor.

My cholesterol went up slightly (about 10-20 pts) on Buhners, but it

could also have been diet, lack of exercise or any number of factors that

could also have caused it. IMHO it is hard to assess Buhners impact on

cholesterol as their are so many other contributing factors.

Jeff

From: klcwd <klcwd@... <mailto:klcwd%40hotmail.com> >

Subject: [ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 6:14 AM

My cholesterol is also slightly up, but don't know if that is all bad. I'm

hearing lately that too much ado is made over cholesterol levels in order to

sell more drugs to lower it. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

> This is interesting to me because I have noted on this board a couple of

folks reporting high cholesterol levels with the Buhner protocol.