Guest guest Posted July 2, 2000 Report Share Posted July 2, 2000 Hi, >Is this article saying that cat's claw will reduce Nictric Oxide? > ><A HREF= " http://www.seaquake.com/catclaw.html " >Cat's Claw Extract</A> > Yes, that's what it is saying. The inducible mitric oxide synthase is an enxyme which makes nitric oxide in the body, for its use as a messenger molecule. NO is produced by macrophages in areas of inflammation. The cat's claw will reduce the amount of inflammation by interrupting this pathway. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2000 Report Share Posted July 2, 2000 In a message dated 7/2/00 1:04:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jerrycam@... writes: << Yes, that's what it is saying. The inducible mitric oxide synthase is an enxyme which makes nitric oxide in the body, for its use as a messenger molecule. NO is produced by macrophages in areas of inflammation. The cat's claw will reduce the amount of inflammation by interrupting this pathway. Jerry ______ >> So, I am wondering if we should all add this to our protocal? karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 Jerry, does this mean that all inflamatory drugs reduce NO? Stania I have another question. We have a supplement here that contains something called " mycelium " . It is supposed to bind to dangerous substances from food in you GI tract (when taken 20 minutes after meal) and take them out of the body. It should work with nitrates and such as well. Have you ever heard about it? Your opinion? Thanks -----Pùvodní zpráva----- Od: Jerry <jerrycam@...> Komu: egroups <egroups> Datum: 2. èervence 2000 22:04 Pøedmìt: Re: Cat's Claw NO is produced by macrophages in areas of inflammation. >The cat's claw will reduce the amount of inflammation by interrupting this >pathway. > >Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Thanks so much for the information, Mark. D [ ] Cat's Claw Search Herbs & Supplements:Cat's ClawUncaria tomentosaPrincipal Proposed Uses • Osteoarthritis • VARIOUS VIRAL DISEASES: Genital and Oral Herpes, Shingles (Herpes Zoster), AIDS, Feline Leukemia Virus Other Proposed Uses • Allergies, Arthritis, Ulcers Page Navigation What Is Cat's Claw Used for Today? Dosage Safety Issues References Cat's claw is a popular herb among the indigenous people of Peru, where it is used to treat cancer, diabetes, ulcers, arthritis, and infections, as well as assist in recovery from childbirth. It is also used as a contraceptive. One double-blind, placebo-controlled study suggests that cat's claw may be helpful for the treatment of osteoarthritis. There are many other proposed uses of cat's claw, but they all lack meaningful scientific substantiation. What Is Cat's Claw Used for Today? Cat's claw is most often marketed as a treatment for viral diseases such as herpes, shingles, AIDS, and feline leukemia virus. However, the evidence for these uses is extremely preliminary. The most meaningful study yet performed on cat's claw suggests that it might be helpful for an entirely different condition: osteoarthritis.3 Cat's claw has also been proposed as a treatment for allergies, stomach ulcers and rheumatoid arthritis, but there is no meaningful evidence as yet that it is effective for these conditions. What Is the Scientific Evidence for Cat's Claw? A four week, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial evaluated the potential benefits of cat’s claw for the treatment of osteoarthritis.3 A total of 45 individuals with osteoarthritis were enrolled. Of these, 30 were treated with freeze dried cat’s claw aqueous extract, and 15 were given placebo. Individuals in the treatment group showed reduced pain with activity as compared to those in the placebo group. However, no comparative improvements were seen in knee pain at rest or at night, nor in knee circumference. This pilot trial suggests that cat’s claw may be a useful treatment for osteoarthritis. However, more research will be necessary to verify this potential use of the herb. Dosage The optimum dosage of cat's claw is not clear. Because of the wide variation in the forms and preparations sold, we recommend following the directions on the product's label. Safety Issues In general, use of cat’s claw has not been associated with adverse effects more serious than occasional digestive upset or allergic reactions. However, full safety studies have not been completed, and there has been one report of kidney failure apparently triggered by cat's claw.4 Safety in young children, pregnant or nursing women, or those with severe liver or kidney disease has not been established. Some evidence suggests that cat's claw might interact with various medications by affecting their metabolism in the liver, but the extent of this effect has not been fully determined.2 References 1. K. Cat's claw. Herbs for Health. 1996;Sept-Oct:42–46. 2. Budzinski JW, BC, Vandenhoek S, et al. An in vitro evaluation of human cytochrome P450 3A4 inhibition by selected commercial herbal extracts and tinctures. Phytomedicine. 2000;7:273–282. 3. Piscoya J, Z, Bustamante SA, et al. Efficacy and safety of freeze-dried cat's claw in osteoarthritis of the knee: mechanisms of action of the species Uncaria guianensis. Inflamm Res. 2001;50:442–448. 4. Hilepo JN, Bellucci AG, Mossey RT. Acute renal failure caused by 'cat's claw' herbal remedy in a patient with systemic lupus erythematosus. Nephron. 1997;77:361. Last reviewed May 2002 by HealthGate CAM Medical Review Board Back to Top Please be aware that this information is provided to supplement the care provided by your physician. It is neither intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. CALL YOUR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER IMMEDIATELY IF YOU THINK YOU MAY HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider prior to starting any new treatment or with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Editorial Policy | Privacy | Terms & Conditions | Support Copyright © 2002 HealthGate Data Corp. All rights reserved. Home Page Herbs, Vitamins, Amino Acids at the best possible value iHerb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Hi Laurie, > Can you tell me where you get your cat's claw and how much you take. Also, > what part of the immune system does it help modulate? I buy mine at the Vitamin Shoppe. I take three per day, but the dose varies with the individual and the individual's response. I *strongly* recommend that you be under a physician's supervision if you intend to try this. It's a powerful drug and has side effects and drug interactions. Also, people with certain conditions should not take it. I do not recall off-hand. You can research it online. Teewinot @>--}-- * --{--<@ Teewinot13@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 - Thank you for posting this information about Samento (which is Cat's Claw). It is very important to note that this is NOT ALL Cat's Claw!!!!!! Allergy Research Group (which is of course the one I sell and is the one that the study was done with!! and please don't anyone write me nasty e-mails of how I am here to sell supplements!!!! ) is the Cat's Claw to use. It is called " Prima Una de Gato " . I have many of my clients on it and improving (as well as other protocols as well. NOT just Cat's Claw). The reason it works so well is because it is a VERY strong, natural antibiotic!!!!!!!! This article was taken from the newsletter that I posted by Allergy Research Group in which I was featured. IF anyone would like information about NATURAL protocol for lyme or would like more info about Cat's Claw or my protocol for lyme, please e-mail me @ suemassie45@... I also offer to call any of you to counsel FOR FREE as well. I have been doing this for 8yrs. and the best information is now available; the peices of the lyme puzzle are coming together. I PERSONALLY feel (and many professionals agree with me) that antibiotics are NOT the answer!!!!! You have to understand lyme and the co-infections in order to get a grip on it permanently. Antibiotics will improve your symptoms but what happens EVERY time you stop them??? the symptoms slowly return and you end up back at square 1. Sue Massie, CNHP Nature's Garden of Health 732 933-4011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 I am a family practicing physician, and I not only have Lyme, but also treat patients with it. Dr. Moayad is my doctor, and as far as I'm concerned he's changed and saved my life. I know about the study, and have read it. As many of my patients who have Lyme, I send to him for at least a consult, if they have insurance and can afford it. I have seen the effects of Cat's Claw on one very sick lady, and the results were AMAZING!!!!!! She is a different person than she was when she first started coming to me about 12 months ago. I would like to get some infor on which brand of Cat's Claw to buy at the store, or if it's only available through specialty stores, etc. Also, for me personally, I'm gonna ask Dr. M if I can go on it. Trouble is, I get such sever J Herxheimer rxns whenever my antihbiotics get changed. Does anyone out there know if this causes the same rxn? Has anyone taken cat's claw.. >From: " Hall " <meryhart@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: [ ] Cat's Claw >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:57:51 -0400 > >Please forgive if this info is old, or whatever. I saw it on another >website. > > > Clinical trial VERY impressive for Samento (brand of Cats Claw). I >apologize that the format lost paragraph separations. For some reason when >I copy from another forum, I can't seem to keep the organized format. So >when reading this, keep in mind that the original version had paragraph >separations: > >Here's the study I received.Study shows Samento to be effective in treating >Lyme Borreliosis: an infection related to over 300 conditionsControl Group: >No patients improved and some worsened; all patients continued to be >seropositive for Lyme borreliosis at end of studyExperimental Group: 100% >of patients experienced marked clinical improvement; 85% were seronegative >for Lyme borreliosis at end of studyInvestigators Lee Cowden, M.D. > Romero M.D., Ph.D. >Joan Vandergriff, N.D. - Nutritional Consultant >Hamid Moayad, D.O. - Lyme Literate Physician >Svetlana Ivanova, M.D., Ph.D. Pilot Study ResultsA pilot study was recently >conducted with 28 patients suffering from Advanced Chronic Lyme disease. >All the patients tested positive for Lyme disease utilizing the Western >Blot blood test for Borrelia Burgdorferi, the bacteria that causes Lyme >disease. The control group was treated with conventional antibiotic >treatment, and at the end of the study all the patients in this group >remained positive for Borrelia. Furthermore, none of the patients >experienced an improvement in their clinical condition and some worsened. >The experimental group was treated with Samento. At the end of the study >85% of the patients in this group tested negative for Borrelia, and all the >patients experienced a dramatic improvement in their clinical condition. A >full report will be available soonSamentoSamento, also known as TOA-Free >Cat’s Claw, is a rare chemotype of a medicinal plant commonly known as >Cat’s Claw, botanical name Uncaria tomentosa. Unlike traditional Cat’s Claw >products, this chemotype does not contain a group of chemical antagonists >called tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs) that act upon the central >nervous system and can greatly inhibit the positive effect of the >pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs). Samento contains a standardized >amount of (POAs) that primarily affect the immune cells responsible for >non-specific and cellular immunity, and demonstrate powerful immune system >modulating properties. According to research conducted in Austria, >traditional Cat’s Claw products may contain as much as 80% TOAs, and as >little as 1% TOAs can cause a 30% reduction in immune system modulating >properties that POAs provide. How Samento may eliminate the pathogenThe >latest research on Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) shows that it exists in at >least three different forms: the spirochete, the spheroplast (also known as >L-form), and the cyst form. During the course of infection, Bb can shift >among these three forms, converting from the spirochete form to the others >when presented with an unfavorable environment (antibiotics, changes in pH >of body fluids in chronic inflammation, etc.), and reverting back to the >spirochete form to grow and reproduce upon being released from naturally >aging and dying infected cells. It is during the growth period after >re-conversion to the spirochete form, as well as in adult spirochete form, >that Bb is most vulnerable and susceptible to antibiotics and natural >elimination by the body’s immune system.The severity of Lyme presentation >is directly related to the spirochete load: low load results in mild or >even asymptomatic infections. With increased spirochete load from >subsequent repeated infections and/or reactivated dormant infections, the >severity of the disease increases. Higher loads also impair key cells of >the immune system and modify the immune response, thus making the immune >system unable to fight the pathogen. The negative effects on the immune >system increase the longer the spirochetes are present. To prevail in the >effort to fight Lyme disease, it is necessary to not only restore the >immune system to normal functioning, but to boost it as well. Even a normal >functioning immune system is unable to attack and eliminate Bb in all its >forms. >The results of research on Samento (TOA-free Chemotype Cat’s Claw) >demonstrate its powerful immune system modulating and stimulating >properties, along with pronounced anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and >anti-infectious effects. The diverse spectrum of the biological activities >of Samento is due to its biologically active compounds. The pentacyclic >oxindole alkaloids (POAs) contained in this Chemotype are generally >accepted as the principal immunomodulating and immunostimulating agents. >POAs are actively involved in the repair of many elements and functional >mechanisms of both the innate and acquired immunity damaged by the Borrelia >and other co-infections, assisting in restoration of structural and >functional integrity of the immune system, enhancing its ability to >eliminate the pathogens by natural way. In addition, this Chemotype >contains quinovic acid glycosides – compounds with strong natural >antibiotic properties (the latest generations of conventional synthetic >antibiotics “Quinolones” are based on quinovic acid glycosides), which >further enhance the medicinal effect of Samento in fighting the >infection.Considering the life-time of intracellular forms of Bb equivalent >to the life-span of the cells invaded by these forms, they are constantly >released into surrounding environment upon the natural cell death and >destruction. The release of intracellular forms of Bb is gradual over the >time due to various life-span of various invaded cells. Since about 90% of >these forms are reside in various cells (including all blood cells) which >have the life-span from 2-3 weeks to 6-8 months, it may be assumed that >within a 6 to 8 month period, a significant majority of all intracellular >form of Bb will be released into the environment where they can be >successfully attacked by a properly functioning immune system and a natural >powerful antibiotic.Taking into account all the above, it can be assumed >that continuous use of Samento over a period of time consistent with the >life-span of several generations of various infected cells (8-12 months), >would more likely result in gradual killing and eliminating of Borrelia and >co-existing infectious pathogens, with subsequent reduction of infectious >load in the body and restoration of the person’s health. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Barbara- I answered your private e-mail to me @ suemassie45@... I would love to talk with you. If you want to forward your #, I will call you or you can call me. 732 0933-4011. Of course (and I DON " T want to hear any negativitiy!!!!!!) I sell the Cat's Claw. It is NOT just any cat's claw.... it is the TOA-free one by Allergy Research. I also discount it. I have such fabulous info about lyme and have formulated an all NATURAL protocol for it as well. (There has been and is continuing to be a circle of healers that are coming together which includes drs., naturopaths, chiropractors, homeopathic drs., etc. and myself!!! THIS IS VERY EXCITING for the lyme community). sue massie, CNHP Nature's Garden of Health 732 933-4011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Barbara, this is a little different answer than the one your letter is asking about. I do not know that. However, Jemsic clinic, in the US south, has written with documentation how the spirokete morphs within hours, unlike other germs. Maybe it is a good thing for these herxes to occur. I personally would like to be on different ABX, and switch often, just for this reason. This is what I have wanted. But I'm interested in the cat's claw, too. Hope you find your answer. [ ] Cat's Claw > >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:57:51 -0400 > > > >Please forgive if this info is old, or whatever. I saw it on another > >website. > > > > > > Clinical trial VERY impressive for Samento (brand of Cats Claw). I > >apologize that the format lost paragraph separations. For some reason when > >I copy from another forum, I can't seem to keep the organized format. So > >when reading this, keep in mind that the original version had paragraph > >separations: > > > >Here's the study I received.Study shows Samento to be effective in treating > >Lyme Borreliosis: an infection related to over 300 conditionsControl Group: > >No patients improved and some worsened; all patients continued to be > >seropositive for Lyme borreliosis at end of studyExperimental Group: 100% > >of patients experienced marked clinical improvement; 85% were seronegative > >for Lyme borreliosis at end of studyInvestigators Lee Cowden, M.D. > > Romero M.D., Ph.D. > >Joan Vandergriff, N.D. - Nutritional Consultant > >Hamid Moayad, D.O. - Lyme Literate Physician > >Svetlana Ivanova, M.D., Ph.D. Pilot Study ResultsA pilot study was recently > >conducted with 28 patients suffering from Advanced Chronic Lyme disease. > >All the patients tested positive for Lyme disease utilizing the Western > >Blot blood test for Borrelia Burgdorferi, the bacteria that causes Lyme > >disease. The control group was treated with conventional antibiotic > >treatment, and at the end of the study all the patients in this group > >remained positive for Borrelia. Furthermore, none of the patients > >experienced an improvement in their clinical condition and some worsened. > >The experimental group was treated with Samento. At the end of the study > >85% of the patients in this group tested negative for Borrelia, and all the > >patients experienced a dramatic improvement in their clinical condition. A > >full report will be available soonSamentoSamento, also known as TOA-Free > >Cat's Claw, is a rare chemotype of a medicinal plant commonly known as > >Cat's Claw, botanical name Uncaria tomentosa. Unlike traditional Cat's Claw > >products, this chemotype does not contain a group of chemical antagonists > >called tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs) that act upon the central > >nervous system and can greatly inhibit the positive effect of the > >pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs). Samento contains a standardized > >amount of (POAs) that primarily affect the immune cells responsible for > >non-specific and cellular immunity, and demonstrate powerful immune system > >modulating properties. According to research conducted in Austria, > >traditional Cat's Claw products may contain as much as 80% TOAs, and as > >little as 1% TOAs can cause a 30% reduction in immune system modulating > >properties that POAs provide. How Samento may eliminate the pathogenThe > >latest research on Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) shows that it exists in at > >least three different forms: the spirochete, the spheroplast (also known as > >L-form), and the cyst form. During the course of infection, Bb can shift > >among these three forms, converting from the spirochete form to the others > >when presented with an unfavorable environment (antibiotics, changes in pH > >of body fluids in chronic inflammation, etc.), and reverting back to the > >spirochete form to grow and reproduce upon being released from naturally > >aging and dying infected cells. It is during the growth period after > >re-conversion to the spirochete form, as well as in adult spirochete form, > >that Bb is most vulnerable and susceptible to antibiotics and natural > >elimination by the body's immune system.The severity of Lyme presentation > >is directly related to the spirochete load: low load results in mild or > >even asymptomatic infections. With increased spirochete load from > >subsequent repeated infections and/or reactivated dormant infections, the > >severity of the disease increases. Higher loads also impair key cells of > >the immune system and modify the immune response, thus making the immune > >system unable to fight the pathogen. The negative effects on the immune > >system increase the longer the spirochetes are present. To prevail in the > >effort to fight Lyme disease, it is necessary to not only restore the > >immune system to normal functioning, but to boost it as well. Even a normal > >functioning immune system is unable to attack and eliminate Bb in all its > >forms. > >The results of research on Samento (TOA-free Chemotype Cat's Claw) > >demonstrate its powerful immune system modulating and stimulating > >properties, along with pronounced anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and > >anti-infectious effects. The diverse spectrum of the biological activities > >of Samento is due to its biologically active compounds. The pentacyclic > >oxindole alkaloids (POAs) contained in this Chemotype are generally > >accepted as the principal immunomodulating and immunostimulating agents. > >POAs are actively involved in the repair of many elements and functional > >mechanisms of both the innate and acquired immunity damaged by the Borrelia > >and other co-infections, assisting in restoration of structural and > >functional integrity of the immune system, enhancing its ability to > >eliminate the pathogens by natural way. In addition, this Chemotype > >contains quinovic acid glycosides - compounds with strong natural > >antibiotic properties (the latest generations of conventional synthetic > >antibiotics " Quinolones " are based on quinovic acid glycosides), which > >further enhance the medicinal effect of Samento in fighting the > >infection.Considering the life-time of intracellular forms of Bb equivalent > >to the life-span of the cells invaded by these forms, they are constantly > >released into surrounding environment upon the natural cell death and > >destruction. The release of intracellular forms of Bb is gradual over the > >time due to various life-span of various invaded cells. Since about 90% of > >these forms are reside in various cells (including all blood cells) which > >have the life-span from 2-3 weeks to 6-8 months, it may be assumed that > >within a 6 to 8 month period, a significant majority of all intracellular > >form of Bb will be released into the environment where they can be > >successfully attacked by a properly functioning immune system and a natural > >powerful antibiotic.Taking into account all the above, it can be assumed > >that continuous use of Samento over a period of time consistent with the > >life-span of several generations of various infected cells (8-12 months), > >would more likely result in gradual killing and eliminating of Borrelia and > >co-existing infectious pathogens, with subsequent reduction of infectious > >load in the body and restoration of the person's health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 Andrine - My personal experience was that one drop knocked me out initially. After two days of that, I decreased to 1/2 drop. I mixed the drop in 8 oz. of water and drank 4 oz. This made it easier to get going and easier to increase when I increased by only a small measured amount. Perhaps you could try starting with 2 oz. of water (mixed as above) and see how you do with that amount. Or just continue to use the " sip " method you described. You may just have to start really slowly and increase slowly. My doctor says that some doctors just tell their patients to " push on through the herx " but it sounds like you wouldn't be able to work if you do that. I would say don't be in a rush - you will increase slowly and eventually get to a dosage of many drops 2 - 3 times a day. There is a good site at http://www.samento-faq.eu.kz/ that will give you some answers regarding de-toxing and most anything else you want to know about samento. Perhaps some detoxing can help your symptoms. At the bottom of the page is an article: Healing Reaction with TOA-Free Cat's Claw By Lee Cowden, MD which you might find helpful, also click on the link to another article: What Makes Lyme Disease Tick & How Samento Eliminates It Good luck. Laureen >Hi - I was diagnosed with Lyme back in March and have been on abx ever >since with varying results. I definitely have herx reactions when I >start a new abx and I've been on several different combinations, >currently Ceftin and Biaxin. I am also taking a homeopathic remedy for >the Lyme, but I don't know which one it is. I really want to get off >the abx as they are causing much yeast overgrowth, and digestive >distress despite taking loads of probiotics. Other than that, I've had >pretty good results with my other symptoms and have been improving >steadily for the past month. > >I started taking TOA-free cat's claw last week - one drop in about 4 oz >of water - and started to herx. This for me is severe joint pain in my >hands, wrists and shoulders first, then other joints flare up too; also >malaise and fatigue, mild depression and some headaches. I took one >drop in water for a couple days and felt the symptoms starting and then >didn't take any for a couple days. When I started again things got >worse again, so I cut back by putting one drop in 4 oz water and taking >only a sip of it. I did that for a few days and felt bad, but was able >to work through the pain (I work with my hands, so I really need to have >use of them to function) and found that working actually helped " warm >up " the joints and I even felt better after having worked a few hours. > >I went back up to one drop a couple of days ago and although I feel >about the same in the morning, I really hurt when working today and feel >sort of exhausted emotionally. I'm disheartened about this and really >want things to resolve. I was feeling pretty good before I started the >cat's claw, and I realize that the herx is a " good " sign, but should I >cut back to a sip again? When do I increase the dosage? Will I herx >every time I increase the dose? I am going to stop my abx at the end of >the month, so I really want to get enough cat's claw in my system to >feel like I'm still combatting this bug. I want to get well and I'm >tired of hurting now. Everything becomes so hard when I feel like this. >I know I'm not getting enough sleep because I'm waking with pain several >times a night. Any advice will be appreciated. > >-Andrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I'll try to answer the questions asked by LymeAngl: > ******Is the Homeopathic remedy made especially for your body needs, > or did > you buy it off the shelf??? Any Homeopathic remedy I take is made especially > for my body and made up from the reading off the Dermatron machine.... I see a constitutional Homeopathic doctor who tailors all homeopathics for her patients. She just doesn't tell me what I'm taking because she knows I'll look it up and fret about whether it's the right one. I know too much... ******Are you saying you are taking the Samento " with " the antibiotics?? I'm not sure this is advisable?? Perhaps you could ask Kezzi or Dr Romero about this. I do know I was not allowed to take anything but the homeopathic remedies and my vitamin/herbal protocol... I am taking the antibiotics and cat's claw at the same time. It was recommended by my LLMD and it seems to me that the article about Samento's test group also had everyone in both the control and test group on abx. Is it a concern that they will interfere with each other? I haven't seem any contraindications published about taking cat's claw and abx. ********These are all the symptoms I felt when I first started....feeling like you have the flu?? I don't feel fluish, just run down and bummed out much of the time. ******What kind of diet/nutrition do you follow...?? The critters LOVE sugar and sweet things and thrive on white flour/white sugar/etc., etc., I have many food allergies and so do not eat wheat, dairy, corn, soy. I avoid refined sugar (except occasionally when I cheat) and drink alcohol about once a week (a glass of wine). I know I should avoid alcohol entirely, but it's sad to feel deprived all the time. ******Once I was able to get up and move, the movement of my arms, legs and fingers helped to subside the pain....it also helps if you have a warm hot tub or can swim, like light aerobics in the pool as the water takes the pressure off....also, I found that if I did a dry brushing and then got in a hot shower it helped, as it help to release the toxins coming out of my skin.... I am doing hydrotherapy with my Naturopath, Epsom salt baths and getting massage. I forgot about skin brushing - will add that back in. ********Until you reach a certain point (and that point appears to be different for everyone) waking with pain will continue if it is a herxing pain....I smoked MJ before going to bed, but my sleep patterns didn't settle down UNTIL I started taking the product with 10 amino acids in it......Keep in mind everyone is different and what worked for me, might not work for you.....Where do you live?? Are there any alternative docs near you??? I am in Portland, Oregon and have a great team of a LLMD, and two NDs. I take lots of supps: Bioflavanoids, sacromyces-B, pro-biotics, phytoprofen (anti-inflammatory herbs), milk-thistle, turmeric, artichoke... I'm glad to hear that your protocol is working for you. I hope that mine will too and that I can stop herxing, and stop abx soon. -Andrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 In a message dated 7/18/2004 6:16:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, andrine@... writes: > When do I increase the dosage? Will I herx > every time I increase the dose? I am going to stop my abx at the end of > the month, so I really want to get enough cat's claw in my system to > feel like I'm still combatting this bug. I want to get well and I'm > tired of hurting now. Everything becomes so hard when I feel like this. > I know I'm not getting enough sleep because I'm waking with pain several > times a night. Any advice will be appreciated. > > -Andrine > Andrine- The possible reason you feel awful is because your body is not ready to take Cat's Claw. One should really do a thorough detoxing before starting the Samento. What that includes is colon cleansing, liver detoxing, kidney, etc. Just a suggestion. sue massie, CNHP 732 933-4011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Buhner who wrote the book Healing Lyme feels Cat's Claw is one of the main fighters of lyme...along with a couple of other herbs he recommends. However he feels that regular Cat's Claw....not TAO free is what people should use. He talks about it in his book Margie maribob7 <rvogenberger@...> wrote: Has anyone tried, or know anything about Cat's Claw (Samento)? http://www.vrp.com/thearticles.asp?article=1370 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I am taking Cat's Claw as part of the Lyme protocol by Buhner. - " Healing Lyme: Natural Prevention and Treatment of Lyme Borreliosis and Its Coinfections by Harrod Buhner Healing Lyme examines the leading, scientific research on Lyme infection, its tests and treatments, and outlines the most potent herbal medicines and supplements that offer help, either alone or in combination with antibiotics, for preventing and healing the disease. It is the essential guide to Lyme infection and its treatment. " This book is available from one of the Lyme Org web sites, and they will get some $ if you buy it there, but I couldn't find that web site right off. Buhner has tons of scientific documentation for his protocol and I would urge anyone to check it out. Also he has a very comprehensive discussion of Lyme and the bb and how it works. Ellen ps-thanks for the article you posted. > > Has anyone tried, or know anything about Cat's Claw (Samento)? > > http://www.vrp.com/thearticles.asp?article=1370 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 > > Has anyone tried, or know anything about Cat's Claw (Samento)? > > http://www.vrp.com/thearticles.asp?article=1370 > I used it and it made me herx. After several weeks the Samento no longer worked against Lyme. My doctor says its very good but the beneficial effects don't last long for most people. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I haven't heard that before, but then I took the unadulterated WHOLE Cat's Claw for over two years. My MD thought I was going to have a bad liver with all the herbs I took, but the tests came out with flying colors. NO problems at all. Course I religiously took Milk Thistle and Red Root tincture. I don't take Cat's Claw anymore and don't take Red Root anymore either. I still take Milk THistle, one capsule, twice a day, along with my maintenance dose of herbs. ### > > I have heard here & elsewhere that Cats Claw is hard on the liver & I am > wondering if it matters what form of CC. I take a homeopathic form of > it by Energique, 4 drops twice a day & have been for about 2 years. One > of my naturopaths has been telling me that I have some liver problems > but she is not attributing it to the CC. > > Any help? > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Does one need to take a break from Cat's Claw after a certain amount of time? My notes say that a two-week break should happen after being on Cat's Claw for 3 months, but I don't remember where I read that info so am not sure it is reliable. Also, my dd is on Cat's Claw tincture at 18 drops 2x day. She worked up to this amount slowly. Is this considered full dose per Buhner for a 100 lb child (I know it is hard to convert mg to drops but roughly at least at full dose?) and should a break be needed, should the break be after 3 months of full dose or 3 months total usage (i.e. it took her 3 months to get up to 18 drops but has not been at 18 drops for 3 months yet.) Hopefully that makes sense......... Thanks for your input! Mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 > My notes say that a two-week break should happen after being on Cat's Claw for 3 months, but I don't remember where I read that info so am not sure it is reliable. catsclaw can be hard on the liver, so maybe it is a good idea to take a break after a few months. But I don't think it is really necessary. Many have used it on a continuous basis. > Also, my dd is on Cat's Claw tincture at 18 drops 2x day. She worked up to this amount slowly. Is this considered full dose per Buhner for a 100 lb child (I know it is hard to convert mg to drops but roughly at least at full dose?) and apparently you are using Samento or a similar product, and not the catsclaw (bulk herb) that Buhner recommends. It is impossible to translate these dosages, just work up to the maximum you can take, or the maximum recommended by the manufacturer, and try to keep that for a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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