Acetaminophen

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kim.

That is beautiful. Good food for thought...for all of us.

Tom

Administrator

Slow Suicide

You search for the limit,

reach for the top.

Your brain is a mess,

the drugs won't stop.

You say that it feels right,

bringing the pleasure.

Your actions cause hurt,

there is no measure.

You are alone now,

what can I say.

You hope for an end,

to die this way.

[Guest guest]

Sometimes it is hard to know how to ask for people to pull, sometimes

people really just do not want to know; part of the problem is you

begin to feel that you are a burden on people and start to feel maybe

it is best if you go away and leave everyone alone.

I see so many times in this life people who are made to feel a burden

on others, when they are not bad people, they just need some love and

understanding - but many in this world do not have time or care - it

is great when they find the love they need, the understanding. I

suppose I feel a bit emotional about this as a recent friend is going

into a home, mostly because no one is supporting her - I do what I

can, but it is too little too late and others want her somewhere safe

out of the way where they do not have to deal with her.

> >

> >>

> > Loving someone with an addiction feels like watching them step

into

> > a pool of quicksand. You can hold their hand, trying to help as

> > they stuggle and sink. Some will slap that hand away, choosing

to

> > drown, others tighten their grip, asking for you to pull. I

thank

> > God that I was asked to pull.

>

> What a helpless feeling. It is good you were asked to pull.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes it is hard to know how to ask for people to pull, sometimes

people really just do not want to know; part of the problem is you

begin to feel that you are a burden on people and start to feel maybe

it is best if you go away and leave everyone alone.

I see so many times in this life people who are made to feel a burden

on others, when they are not bad people, they just need some love and

understanding - but many in this world do not have time or care - it

is great when they find the love they need, the understanding. I

suppose I feel a bit emotional about this as a recent friend is going

into a home, mostly because no one is supporting her - I do what I

can, but it is too little too late and others want her somewhere safe

out of the way where they do not have to deal with her.

> >

> >>

> > Loving someone with an addiction feels like watching them step

into

> > a pool of quicksand. You can hold their hand, trying to help as

> > they stuggle and sink. Some will slap that hand away, choosing

to

> > drown, others tighten their grip, asking for you to pull. I

thank

> > God that I was asked to pull.

>

> What a helpless feeling. It is good you were asked to pull.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" Aspies have a higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse than non-

Aspies. "

I have been told that is the case by professionals that aspies are

more likely to self medicate; but maybe aspies are also more truthful

about it too :-) I personally do not see the point in lying, but that

is just me.

>

> This is just an opinion, but I have noticed that the taking of

drugs

> and the imbibing of copious amounts of alcohol seems fairly

> prevelant among folks on Aspie forums. This suggests either

>

> A) Aspies can a bit more freely publicly admit to such use than non-

> Aspies can, or

>

> Aspies have a higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse than

non-

> Aspies.

>

> Alternatively, it is a combination of the two.

>

> As much as Aspies like to keep isolated from other people when and

> if they can, since most Aspies are very deep and introspective, I

> believe that perhaps they feel the presence of or lack of love

> moreso than non-Aspies.

>

> After all, people who are seldom loved are the ones most likely to

> understand love's meaning and worth.

>

> I would posit that lack of love -true, unadulterated love- is what

> leads people to turn to other things that act as mind-blotting

> substitute so that they do not have to feel this vast black hole in

> their lives.

>

> For me personally, serving God seems to fill that black hole

> substantially, and when I am TRULY serving God in some capacity,

> giving and receiving love, while nice, seems to be a thing of

> secondary importance to me.

>

> Long-time members of this forum will know that I have faced a

number

> of trials and tribulations in my life which could have easily

caused

> me to be driven to drinking and drugs. Yet God keeps me going, as

> does the love I find here and there along the way.

>

> That is not to say I am immune from depression. I certainly do

> experience it. But when I have my head screwed on straight, God and

> love seem to be my " uppers " and they give me all I need.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

[Guest guest]

Kim wrote: " Slow Suicide ... "

Very impactful.

Raven

[Guest guest]

--- environmental1st2003 <no_reply >

wrote:

> This is just an opinion, but I have noticed that the

> taking of drugs

> and the imbibing of copious amounts of alcohol seems

> fairly

> prevelant among folks on Aspie forums.

I am the proverbial straight arrow and always have

been. No smoking, drinking or drugs for me. My parents

were alcoholics and I didn't want to be like them. I

never took up smoking ciggies after I saw a

presentation at school about what it can do to your

lungs. My brother scoffed when I told him that I would

never smoke, and he said that I someday would, and I

never did.

I tried pot once, out of curiousity. All it did was

give me a headache. I was never tempted to use any

other kind.

I do, however, have a high ability to fantasize, and

have used this ability to cope when things got bad,

and they did, often.

> For me personally, serving God seems to fill that

> black hole

> substantially, and when I am TRULY serving God in

> some capacity,

> giving and receiving love, while nice, seems to be a

> thing of

> secondary importance to me.

I have been a Christian since I was 19 [am 49 now].

Since then, I have never felt as alone as I did before

then. I got really depressed in my teens, and I

haven't gotten that depressed since. With God, I know

that I have at least one person who knows me for who I

am when the rest of the world doesn't understand me.

However, I still fantasize. I don't need it as much

now as when I was a child and teen, but coping is not

the only reason I do it. It is also fun, a form of

entertainment for me.

> Long-time members of this forum will know that I

> have faced a number

> of trials and tribulations in my life which could

> have easily caused

> me to be driven to drinking and drugs. Yet God keeps

> me going, as

> does the love I find here and there along the way.

I am in a situation now that could cause me to have a

nervous breakdown, literally, but God helps to hold me

steady.

Take care,

Gail :-)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

We have a Christian Aspie Forum that you are welcome to join:

TheChristianAspieForum/

We just started it a month and a half ago. 18 members and counting.

and I run it.

Tom

Administrator

I am in a situation now that could cause me to have a nervous

breakdown, literally, but God helps to hold me steady.

Take care,

Gail :-)

[Guest guest]

--- environmental1st2003 <no_reply >

wrote:

> We have a Christian Aspie Forum that you are welcome

> to join:

Thank you! I will check it out now.

Take care,

Gail :-)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I take a lot of fresh ginger. One warning, though, it is also a blood

> thinner and can amplify the effects of any prescribed blood thinner.

It is

> recommended to stop ingesting it prior to any procedures where

bleeding may

> be an issue. All the " g " herbs, incidentally, that are blood

thinners.

> Garlic, ginseng, gingko, and ginger.

Yes, be careful about taking natural substances if you are on drugs.

And It's been found that many people don't read the package insert for

the drug they're taking. (Though I'm sure Aspies usually do!) I like

that about the 'g' herbs--good to remember them.

So many people are not getting garlic or other spices in their food

because many people don't cook anymore. But they're so good for you.

Spice up your food! (But be careful with drugs)

>

> " Another great anti inflammatory is turmeric. Milk thistle is specific

for

> inflammatory liver problems. "

How could I forget turmeric?!

Incidentally, inflammation can be a good thing, it's a body process and

interrupting it with pain killers is not always a good idea. Of course,

if you are in extreme pain what can you do? But chronic inflammation

can be damaging. I found this so interesting because we automatically

want to stop pain. I don't know a lot about it, I want to do more

research on it.

>

[Guest guest]

I find this conversation quite coincidental, because often I crave

garlic, infact I have just had some tuna and garlic mayo sandwhiches

toasted - I think my body tends to crave what it needs :-)

I am going through a phase of wanting garlic stuff - it is lasting

quite a while - I feel sorry for the people in my life - still it

will stop them getting physically too close :-) unless they like the

smell of garlic.

> >

> >

> > I take a lot of fresh ginger. One warning, though, it is also a

blood

> > thinner and can amplify the effects of any prescribed blood

thinner.

> It is

> > recommended to stop ingesting it prior to any procedures where

> bleeding may

> > be an issue. All the " g " herbs, incidentally, that are blood

> thinners.

> > Garlic, ginseng, gingko, and ginger.

>

> Yes, be careful about taking natural substances if you are on

drugs.

> And It's been found that many people don't read the package insert

for

> the drug they're taking. (Though I'm sure Aspies usually do!) I

like

> that about the 'g' herbs--good to remember them.

>

> So many people are not getting garlic or other spices in their food

> because many people don't cook anymore. But they're so good for

you.

> Spice up your food! (But be careful with drugs)

>

> >

> > " Another great anti inflammatory is turmeric. Milk thistle is

specific

> for

> > inflammatory liver problems. "

>

>

> How could I forget turmeric?!

>

> Incidentally, inflammation can be a good thing, it's a body process

and

> interrupting it with pain killers is not always a good idea. Of

course,

> if you are in extreme pain what can you do? But chronic

inflammation

> can be damaging. I found this so interesting because we

automatically

> want to stop pain. I don't know a lot about it, I want to do more

> research on it.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

:

> I am in no way for drugs, but I think one needs to ask why people

take them; what is missing in their lives? Why do they need drugs?

What role are the drugs playing? Can that role be fulfilled by

something else?

> It is too easy to sit and condemn people who take drugs (I do not

btw) without finding the reasons why - these are people, humans with

thoughts and feelings.

Very beautifully put! This is exactly how I see it too.

I can affirm that since I've been blessed with finding harmony within myself

and a lifestyle that suits me, my previous need for something to dampen the

pain of living a life I wasn't suited for have just fallen away of their own

accord.

But since I've been there, I feel much compassion, understanding and respect

for those who have not been as lucky.

If I was in a position of political power and was assigned to deal with the

problem of addictions, I'd ask myself " what can be done to make as many as

possible as happy as possible so they won't need any drugs? " and then I'd

set about trying to accomplish that.

Inger

[Guest guest]

I found this very well described too.

Inger

Re: acetaminophen

This is just an opinion, but I have noticed that the taking of drugs

and the imbibing of copious amounts of alcohol seems fairly

prevelant among folks on Aspie forums. This suggests either

A) Aspies can a bit more freely publicly admit to such use than non-

Aspies can, or

Aspies have a higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse than non-

Aspies.

Alternatively, it is a combination of the two.

As much as Aspies like to keep isolated from other people when and

if they can, since most Aspies are very deep and introspective, I

believe that perhaps they feel the presence of or lack of love

moreso than non-Aspies.

After all, people who are seldom loved are the ones most likely to

understand love's meaning and worth.

I would posit that lack of love -true, unadulterated love- is what

leads people to turn to other things that act as mind-blotting

substitute so that they do not have to feel this vast black hole in

their lives.

For me personally, serving God seems to fill that black hole

substantially, and when I am TRULY serving God in some capacity,

giving and receiving love, while nice, seems to be a thing of

secondary importance to me.

Long-time members of this forum will know that I have faced a number

of trials and tribulations in my life which could have easily caused

me to be driven to drinking and drugs. Yet God keeps me going, as

does the love I find here and there along the way.

That is not to say I am immune from depression. I certainly do

experience it. But when I have my head screwed on straight, God and

love seem to be my " uppers " and they give me all I need.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I like the odor of garlic. It is antiviral and numerous other things. I can't go more than a week without mayonnaise. I don't like onion or coffee breath too much. My dad used to always chew Wrigley's juicy fruit gum to cover up his coffee breath. greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: I find this conversation quite coincidental, because often I crave garlic, infact I have just had some tuna and garlic mayo sandwhiches toasted - I think my body tends to crave what it needs :-)I am going through a phase of wanting garlic stuff - it is lasting quite a while - I feel sorry for the people in my life - still it will stop them getting physically too close :-) unless they like the smell of garlic.> >> > > > I take a lot of fresh ginger. One warning, though, it is also a blood> > thinner and can amplify the effects of any prescribed blood thinner. > It is> > recommended to stop ingesting it prior to any procedures where > bleeding may> > be an issue. All the "g" herbs, incidentally, that are blood > thinners.> > Garlic, ginseng, gingko, and ginger.> > Yes, be careful about taking natural substances if you are on drugs. > And It's been found that many people don't read the package insert for > the drug they're taking. (Though I'm sure Aspies usually do!) I like > that about the 'g' herbs--good to remember them.> > So many people are not getting garlic or other spices in their food

> because many people don't cook anymore. But they're so good for you. > Spice up your food! (But be careful with drugs)> > > > >"Another great anti inflammatory is turmeric. Milk thistle is specific > for> > inflammatory liver problems."> > > How could I forget turmeric?!> > Incidentally, inflammation can be a good thing, it's a body process and > interrupting it with pain killers is not always a good idea. Of course, > if you are in extreme pain what can you do? But chronic inflammation > can be damaging. I found this so interesting because we automatically > want to stop pain. I don't know a lot about it, I want to do more > research on it.> >>

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That's interesting, , I never heard anyone say they craved

garlic. I say definitely listen to your body. Garlic has sulphur in

it which many people are low in. It also has allicin which is

released when a garlic clove is chopped and is a natural antibiotic

and anti-fungal. (fungi are starting to increase due to the overuse

of antibiotics--antibiotics have been found in our water supply as

well) It's also anti-carcinogenic, an antioxidant, lowers blood

pressure, enhances the immune system and helps with respiratory

problems, mosquito repellant (haha),etc. About 100 compounds have

been found in garlic and few are understood--many studies are being

done to try and understand these compounds.

Maybe you are trying to fight an infection and that's why you are

craving garlic?

> > >

> > >

> > > I take a lot of fresh ginger. One warning, though, it is also a

> blood

> > > thinner and can amplify the effects of any prescribed blood

> thinner.

> > It is

> > > recommended to stop ingesting it prior to any procedures where

> > bleeding may

> > > be an issue. All the " g " herbs, incidentally, that are blood

> > thinners.

> > > Garlic, ginseng, gingko, and ginger.

> >

> > Yes, be careful about taking natural substances if you are on

> drugs.

> > And It's been found that many people don't read the package

insert

> for

> > the drug they're taking. (Though I'm sure Aspies usually do!) I

> like

> > that about the 'g' herbs--good to remember them.

> >

> > So many people are not getting garlic or other spices in their

food

> > because many people don't cook anymore. But they're so good for

> you.

> > Spice up your food! (But be careful with drugs)

> >

> > >

> > > " Another great anti inflammatory is turmeric. Milk thistle is

> specific

> > for

> > > inflammatory liver problems. "

> >

> >

> > How could I forget turmeric?!

> >

> > Incidentally, inflammation can be a good thing, it's a body

process

> and

> > interrupting it with pain killers is not always a good idea. Of

> course,

> > if you are in extreme pain what can you do? But chronic

> inflammation

> > can be damaging. I found this so interesting because we

> automatically

> > want to stop pain. I don't know a lot about it, I want to do more

> > research on it.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" Maybe you are trying to fight an infection and that's why you are

craving garlic? "

Well I did have ear infection that seemed to take ages to get over

despite anti-biotics, but I've felt much better since eating lots of

garlicky stuff, which I was craving :-)

>

> That's interesting, , I never heard anyone say they craved

> garlic. I say definitely listen to your body. Garlic has sulphur in

> it which many people are low in. It also has allicin which is

> released when a garlic clove is chopped and is a natural antibiotic

> and anti-fungal. (fungi are starting to increase due to the overuse

> of antibiotics--antibiotics have been found in our water supply as

> well) It's also anti-carcinogenic, an antioxidant, lowers blood

> pressure, enhances the immune system and helps with respiratory

> problems, mosquito repellant (haha),etc. About 100 compounds have

> been found in garlic and few are understood--many studies are being

> done to try and understand these compounds.

>

> Maybe you are trying to fight an infection and that's why you are

> craving garlic?

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have not smoked pot for a long time. GABA , flax, phophatidylcholine and acetyl L carnitine work in conjunction for withdrawal symptoms from weed. environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: There are a few folks here who got clean in one respect or another recently. Nick quit pot if I am not mistaken? (Hope you don't mind my bringing it up Nick, but I think you told us all this a few times, and maybe even in this forum.)TomAdministratorI got the HCV during the late 1960s while making some bad choicesabout illegal drug use. I have been clean and sober for 30+ years but the virus doesn't care.

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Yes, I have not smoked pot for a long time. GABA , flax, phophatidylcholine and acetyl L carnitine work in conjunction for withdrawal symptoms from weed. environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: There are a few folks here who got clean in one respect or another recently. Nick quit pot if I am not mistaken? (Hope you don't mind my bringing it up Nick, but I think you told us all this a few times, and maybe even in this forum.)TomAdministratorI got the HCV during the late 1960s while making some bad choicesabout illegal drug use. I have been clean and sober for 30+ years but the virus doesn't care.

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You are condemned for all eternity to hell! No. I'm just kidding. GABA, GBL, Choline, Acetyl-L-carnitine, phosphatidylserine, flax seeds, niacin, B vitamins with Methylcobalamin, Skullcap, kava kava, melatonin and valerian ought to work some. A little bit of grain alcohol fermented 10 days or more with juniper berries, wormwood and anise oought to help as well. greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: I am in no way for drugs, but I think one needs to ask why people take them; what is missing in their lives? Why do they need drugs? What role are the drugs playing? Can that role be fulfilled by something else?It is too easy to sit and condemn people who take drugs (I do not btw) without finding the reasons why - these are people, humans with thoughts and feelings.I will admit I drink too much, I

drink for many reasons - it is a habit - it is wrong - I am self medicating - I haven't found anything as of yet that can replace the role alchol plays. For me alchol stops my mind racing - it numbs things - I really dislike this world at times and reality is painful - I am just giving a personal opinion and being honest here and hope I will not be condemned for it.> > If at times I seem preachy against illegal drug and alcohol use, please> forgive my intolerance but I really really really thik they are bad>

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You are condemned for all eternity to hell! No. I'm just kidding. GABA, GBL, Choline, Acetyl-L-carnitine, phosphatidylserine, flax seeds, niacin, B vitamins with Methylcobalamin, Skullcap, kava kava, melatonin and valerian ought to work some. A little bit of grain alcohol fermented 10 days or more with juniper berries, wormwood and anise oought to help as well. greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: I am in no way for drugs, but I think one needs to ask why people take them; what is missing in their lives? Why do they need drugs? What role are the drugs playing? Can that role be fulfilled by something else?It is too easy to sit and condemn people who take drugs (I do not btw) without finding the reasons why - these are people, humans with thoughts and feelings.I will admit I drink too much, I

drink for many reasons - it is a habit - it is wrong - I am self medicating - I haven't found anything as of yet that can replace the role alchol plays. For me alchol stops my mind racing - it numbs things - I really dislike this world at times and reality is painful - I am just giving a personal opinion and being honest here and hope I will not be condemned for it.> > If at times I seem preachy against illegal drug and alcohol use, please> forgive my intolerance but I really really really thik they are bad>

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" You are condemned for all eternity to hell! "

Ha ha :-)

The things you mentioned - are they meant to be good when stopping

drinking? I have some Skullcap and valerian I think. As for melatonin

it is hard come by in this country and I have to buy L-5 HTP as an

alternative. They have stopped selling Kava Kava in this country too.

>

> You are condemned for all eternity to hell! No. I'm just kidding.

GABA, GBL, Choline, Acetyl-L-carnitine, phosphatidylserine, flax

seeds, niacin, B vitamins with Methylcobalamin, Skullcap, kava kava,

melatonin and valerian ought to work some. A little bit of grain

alcohol fermented 10 days or more with juniper berries, wormwood and

anise oought to help as well.

[Guest guest]

Re:

> All illegal drugs are like acid. They corrode the soul as well as ther body.

How about the legal drugs: alcohol, tobacco, over-the-counter drugs,

and drugs legally obtained by prescription? Do these ever (or never)

corrode souls?

When one country makes a drug illegal while another keeps it legal,

does that drug corrode souls in the first country but not in the second?

Or does the category " soul-corroding versus non-soul-corroding "

coinclde with the category " forbidden versus permitted by current laws

of the United States of America " ?

For the record: I use no illegal drugs, and I use very few legal drugs.

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" How about the legal drugs: alcohol, tobacco, over-the-counter drugs,

and drugs legally obtained by prescription? Do these ever (or never)

corrode souls? "

Of course they do. I personally think tobacco should be made

illegal. Alcohol should be more restricted than it is now.

Let me tell you something about prescription drugs that I have

observed.

I have not been really and truly sick for about 20 years now and

have not need a prescription for anything since I got my wisdom

teeth out when I was 18. I was given an antibiotic to prevent

infection and codiene for the pain. That was it.

I take aspirin for migranes, and sometimes an anti-allergen if my

allergies act up. I get novacaine at the dentist's. Escept for St.

's Wort now and then, that's it.

But it's funny...

The more people go to see the doctor, the more prescriptions they

get, and the worse off they seem to be.

My mom forgot her prescriptions once when traveling overseas and

came back feeling much better than she had in months. Then she

started her prescriptions and it was back to normal...sleeplessness,

skin rashes, irritability.

I think there is a lot to be said to letting nature take its course

most of the time, and eating and drinking in moderation and getting

regular exercise. It's what I do and my health seems to have been by

and large okay for the past 20 years.

I had high blood pressure for a while but the shift in careers took

care of that problem. The only thing I need to work on now is

quitting smoking.

But it just seems other people are constantly popping pills and the

result is they are never stable, never predictable, and never fun to

be with. If you visit people on legal or illegal drugs, it is like

going to visit a new person each time you see them. You never know

what you're going to get.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

> Kate: "..... does that drug corrode souls in the first country but not in the second?"It should be clear by now that it corrodes the soul if an Administrator SAYS it corrodes the soul!  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

>

> The things you mentioned - are they meant to be good when stopping

> drinking?

Try kudzu. It was tested and found to reduce craving for alcohol. A

liquid extract or it can be more beneficial with other substances.

Planetary Formulas has a product with kuzdu along with other

botanicals to help cleanse the liver and stabilize blood sugar and

enhance energy levels.

Sometimes the desire for alcohol can be due to imbalances and

deficiencies of nutrients in the body. Deficiencies of the B vitamins

is common in alcoholismm, and other deficiencies are noted. The

deficiencies can become worse with excess alcohol consumption,

compounding the problem. Malabsorbsion of nutrients occurs with

excess alcohol. You should try and eat as healthily as possible. Take

omega 3 oils and maybe a multi-vitamin. A junk food diet has been

shown to increase alcohol intake. Lessening or eliminating sugar,

caffeince and replacing empty carbohydrates with complex

carbohydrates lessens desire for alcohol.

[Guest guest]

Yes, they are meant for among other things, quitting or drinking less alcohol. greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: "You are condemned for all eternity to hell!"Ha ha :-)The things you mentioned - are they meant to be good when stopping drinking? I have some Skullcap and valerian I think. As for melatonin it is hard come by in this country and I have to buy L-5 HTP as an alternative. They have stopped selling Kava Kava in this country too.>> You are condemned for all eternity to hell! No. I'm just kidding. GABA, GBL, Choline, Acetyl-L-carnitine, phosphatidylserine, flax seeds, niacin, B vitamins with Methylcobalamin, Skullcap, kava kava, melatonin and valerian ought to work some.

A little bit of grain alcohol fermented 10 days or more with juniper berries, wormwood and anise oought to help as well.

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