Re: Spring is coming - Preventative measures

March 22, 2011

>

> Hi,

> I'd really like some advice on preventive measures for Lyme. I've read the

standard stuff (tuck your pants in etc.), but would really like to know any more

detailed information about what people are doing?

Hi, . I let my chickens out of the pen during the day and when they go

back in at night I close the door to keep them safe. They eat all kinds of bugs

including ticks and spiders.

It cleans up the yard and also make for some tasty eggs.

Hmm, I just thought of something. If they eat ticks with lyme, could that

infect the eggs? I serious.

March 22, 2011

Hey, I have two dozen chickens that lay nice brown eggs. I have thought about

letting them out, but was wondering what would happen if they ate bad bugs would

that be in the egg? Hmmm.

Jeannie

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Hi, . I let my chickens out of the pen during the day and when they go back

in at night I close the door to keep them safe. They eat all kinds of bugs

including ticks and spiders.

It cleans up the yard and also make for some tasty eggs.

Hmm, I just thought of something. If they eat ticks with lyme, could that infect

the eggs? I serious.

March 22, 2011

None of the commercial bug sprays work for keeping ticks off except for

Permethrin. And that is somewhat dangerous if exposed to human skin. It is

extremely deadly to cats too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin

Tucking in socks and body inspection after being outside is a good idea.

There are some herbal sprays that people have come up though and seem

popular. If you have my free lyme resource cd look in the folder:

\1 - Lyme_Resources\Transmission\Prevention

If you don't have the cd then download it from my website or ask for a free

copy.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Spring is coming - Preventative measures

>

> Hi,

> I'd really like some advice on preventive measures for Lyme.

> I've read the standard stuff (tuck your pants in etc.), but

> would really like to know any more detailed information about

> what people are doing? Do you do anything to your yard?

> I've heard about sprays like pesticides and then more natural

> like garlic? I've also bought six tick tubes but have not

> put them down yet as there is still snow on the ground. Our

> yard is small (1/3 acre) but we have lots of trees - maple,

> scotch pine and hemlocks).

> I'm also thinking about keeping a pair of outdoor pants and

> socks for my kids in the garage, and possibly spraying them

> with permethrin. Would this work on shoes too?

> As for bug sprays, any suggestions? Should I just spray on

> ankles and back of neck?

> In general I hate using any chemicals (in food, household

> cleaning, etc.) but in this case I want to do whatever works best.

> Thanks!

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

March 22, 2011

My understanding is the spirochetes need to be transmitted directly via the

blood. I have never heard of chickens passing bacteria this way to their

eggs. I too have chickens and have no problems letting them free range.

> Re: [ ] Re: Spring is coming -

> Preventative measures

>

> Hey, I have two dozen chickens that lay nice brown eggs. I

> have thought about letting them out, but was wondering what

> would happen if they ate bad bugs would that be in the egg? Hmmm.

>

> Jeannie

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Hi, . I let my chickens out of the pen during the day

> and when they go back in at night I close the door to keep

> them safe. They eat all kinds of bugs including ticks and spiders.

>

> It cleans up the yard and also make for some tasty eggs.

>

> Hmm, I just thought of something. If they eat ticks with

> lyme, could that infect the eggs? I serious.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

March 22, 2011

>

according to research I have read, the only really effective prevention measures

are:

- use specially permethryn impregnated clothing

- do a full tick check in the shower within hours after risky outdoor activity.

spraying poison in the garden or on your arms etc. is pretty ineffective and not

a good idea.

March 22, 2011

>

> Hi, . I let my chickens out of the pen during the day and when they go

back in at night I close the door to keep them safe. They eat all kinds of bugs

including ticks and spiders.

interesting, sounds like good protection. Are you sure they also eat the nymphs?

> Hmm, I just thought of something. If they eat ticks with lyme, could that

infect the eggs? I serious.

seems very, very unlikely to me. I think the main risk is that they are bitten

by a tick themselves while walking around the garden ...

Do chicken do tick checks on each other?

March 22, 2011

>

> There are some herbal sprays that people have come up though and seem

> popular. If you have my free lyme resource cd look in the folder:

> \1 - Lyme_Resources\Transmission\Prevention

I have read about a few of these, and although most of them have some effect, it

is not real protection. e.g. a good spray will lower the infection risk with

maybe 40%. If you are in a tick infested area that is totally useless ...

March 22, 2011

>

> My understanding is the spirochetes need to be transmitted directly via the

> blood.

yes, and even a blood transfusion seems to have very low risk of infection. The

tick byte itself is very important for infection risk, because together with the

Borrelia some other tick stuff gets into the blood that helps the Bb to evade

the immune system etc.

March 22, 2011

>I think the main risk is that they are bitten by a tick themselves while

walking around the garden ...

I've never seen a tick on a chicken.

> Do chicken do tick checks on each other?

>

I don't think so, Knotweed. : )

March 22, 2011

Cool thank you!

Jeannie

Re: [ ] Re: Spring is coming -

> Preventative measures

>

> Hey, I have two dozen chickens that lay nice brown eggs. I

> have thought about letting them out, but was wondering what

> would happen if they ate bad bugs would that be in the egg? Hmmm.

>

> Jeannie

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Hi, . I let my chickens out of the pen during the day

> and when they go back in at night I close the door to keep

> them safe. They eat all kinds of bugs including ticks and spiders.

>

> It cleans up the yard and also make for some tasty eggs.

>

> Hmm, I just thought of something. If they eat ticks with

> lyme, could that infect the eggs? I serious.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

March 23, 2011

The chickens sound great - but it will be too expensive for me to fence in my

whole yard to do this.

Body checks sound the best, and I will show my kids the educational video that

someone else posted.

I am very seriously considering moving back to my parents house in Ireland

however. When risky behavior includes letting kids play in their own backyard

that completely sucks.

March 23, 2011

>

> The chickens sound great - but it will be too expensive for me to fence in my

whole yard to do this.

You don't need to fence in the yard if you don't have any neighbors right next

door, they will not stray too far and they will come back right before dark,

especially if you have a roost under a shelter for them to sleep on.

March 23, 2011

Sorry to report there is Lyme in Ireland and the rest of Europe. Though it's

probably a lot less of a problem there. There's even a website for information

about Lyme in Ireland.

[ ] Re: Spring is coming - Preventative measures

The chickens sound great - but it will be too expensive for me to fence in my

whole yard to do this.

Body checks sound the best, and I will show my kids the educational video that

someone else posted.

I am very seriously considering moving back to my parents house in Ireland

however. When risky behavior includes letting kids play in their own backyard

that completely sucks.

March 23, 2011

I'm surprised in a relatively small group, two people have chickens. Makes me

wonder if people who get bit by ticks live on farms or out wooded areas. The

house I live in is next to a heavily wooded area but no farms. It's against the

city code here to have livestock but interesting. If I ever can have chickens

that they eat bugs is good to know about.

>

> Hey, I have two dozen chickens that lay nice brown eggs. I have thought about

letting them out, but was wondering what would happen if they ate bad bugs would

that be in the egg? Hmmm.

>

> Jeannie

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Hi, . I let my chickens out of the pen during the day and when they go

back in at night I close the door to keep them safe. They eat all kinds of bugs

including ticks and spiders.

>

> It cleans up the yard and also make for some tasty eggs.

>

> Hmm, I just thought of something. If they eat ticks with lyme, could that

infect the eggs? I serious.

>

March 23, 2011

wrote:

.. If they eat ticks with lyme, could that infect the eggs? I serious.

I asked my doctor whether eating lyme-infected deer meat could transmit lyme

(as said in article I read). She said no way. Spiro cannot survive digestion

in stomach acid! Hey, there's potential treatment.

Wondering,

kendra

March 24, 2011

>

> Sorry to report there is Lyme in Ireland and the rest of Europe. Though it's

probably a lot less of a problem there. There's even a website for information

about Lyme in Ireland.

there's a lot of denial over there for sure, maybe even worse than in the US.

Make sure you con't get your facts from government websites ...

March 24, 2011

Cooking the meat should kill any pathogens. Trichinella, a pathogen found in

pigs, as well as other pathogens requires making sure cooked meat reaches temp

of 170 (with a meat thermometer) to kill thoroughly.

It is true that stomach acid is necessary to kill some pathogens. Some people,

especially older people, don't produce enough acid. Heartburn symptoms may

actually be due to not enough stomach acid and taking antacids is

counterproductive.

I recall reading that taking Betaine HCl and other digestive enzymes can be

helpful for a variety of reasons, including helping the immune system. Good

article here.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/329483-what-is-a-betaine-hcl-activator

deb

> . If they eat ticks with lyme, could that infect the eggs? I serious.

>

> I asked my doctor whether eating lyme-infected deer meat could transmit lyme

> (as said in article I read). She said no way. Spiro cannot survive digestion

> in stomach acid! Hey, there's potential treatment.

>

> Wondering,

> kendra

>

March 24, 2011

I live right over the double yellow line that separates our small town and our

county is why I am able to have my chickens. There is a lot of farmland around

me but I haven't heard of anyone getting Lyme here. It's one of those places

where everyone knows everything about everybody. We call it Mayberry.

I got bit on a camping trip to the Trinity/Shasta National Forest in Northern

California in 1992.

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I'm surprised in a relatively small group, two people have chickens. Makes me

wonder if people who get bit by ticks live on farms or out wooded areas. The

house I live in is next to a heavily wooded area but no farms. It's against the

city code here to have livestock but interesting. If I ever can have chickens

that they eat bugs is good to know about.

March 25, 2011

Barb wrote: I'm surprised in a relatively small group, two people have

chickens. Makes me wonder if people who get bit by ticks live on farms or

out wooded areas. The house I live in is next to a heavily wooded area but

no farms. It's against the city code here to have livestock but interesting.

If I ever can have chickens that they eat bugs is good to know about.

I live in city limits officially, but I'm getting two chickens this spring

to eat ticks--that's my main reason (not for food, cannot eat eggs). Few

years ago, the closest city of 27,000 had folks in city with few chickens,

was brought before city council. They ended up passing new law to permit

small number of chickens (no roosters) within city with some regulations.

Many other big cities, like madison wi, have lots of folks raising chickens

in backyards for food. Check into your specific city laws to see if poultry

is exempt. If not, gather info and go to city council for new law.

Enjoy,

kendra

March 26, 2011

This wouldn't be a good place for chickens bec we have coyote in the area and

they would come up here and try to get at the chickens.Â Fox or wolves..forrest

about 12 feet from my back door.Â I wouldn't want to attract them up to

house.Â There is a city within neighboring city limits that took the issue up

and is allowing chickens in back yards.Â My parents had chickens when I was

growing up in the yard but we were in the country.Â A farm across the street

and also one kitty korner.Â

I'm surprised in a relatively small group, two people have