Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 looking for some input from the group regarding possible Bartonella infection: Over the last month I had several new symptoms that come and go in a 6-7 day cycle (four cycles now). The most obvious ones are: - neck pains (not sure if the pain is in muscle, arteries or something else), throat feels tense/swollen, shoulder joint pain - feverish feeling especially at night (warm ears/skin, feverish dreams); but temperature is a bit below normal so not normal fevers - swollen intestines, gut cramping, mild pains; feels a bit like food poisoning. sometimes mild shaking of muscles in the morning. I have other long term symptoms that could point to Bart, most of them started after the 2004 tick bite (some of these can also be caused by Borrelia): - dark nodule under the skin near possible older bite site - pain in foot soles especially in the morning or when walking (although a bit less now than some years ago) - small bright red dots, mostly on trunk and upper legs/arms - spider veins and other issues with very pronounced arteries - shin pains, swollen lymph nodes and intense night sweats (some years ago; not recently) - heart arrhythmia, especially when waking up - underweight and undertemperature (less now than previously) - skin problems (skin lesions; very thin, fragile skin) and connective tissue problems (probably Bb issue). I have a confirmed Borrelia infection from a tick byte in 2004, that went untreated for two years. This Bb infection is probably chronic, despite 1 year of ABX and about two years of Buhner it probably is still there (positive WB and visible spirochetes in 2008). I haven't used ABX for 3.5 years, or Buhner herbs since 1.5 years or so, except for some brief experimenting. There were no obvious signs of active Borrelia infection in the last two years or so, but I still had some issues so you never know. The Bart infection could be from an earlier bite in the garden about 12 years ago; I don't know what bit me, but it left an itchy spot that is now a dark brown nodule under the skin (still unchanged after more than 10 years). Had a lot of problems with heart/gut/skin/fatigue/hairloss for about a year after the bite, but then it gradually disappeared. I was never tested or treated for this, my doc said it was all due to stress, working too hard ... My Bb infection was proven several times with a Western Blot. I did two serologic tests for Bartonella from the same lab (in Cologne), but both were negative. Probably the chance of false negatives is pretty big with these Bart tests. I don't have the telltale red Bart rash (stripes). I do have many white stretchmarks (e.g. on lower back and thighs) but those are probably from severe weight loss after my tick bite. My doc did a standard bloodtest this week, haven't heard the result but I guess it won't find anything special. I'm 100% sure there was no recent Bart (or Bb) infection. Could it be an old Bart infection was reactivated after the Borrelia was finally done with, or because I haven't used ABX or herbs for a long time? Any suggestions regarding signs that I may be missing, or that might point to something else instead of Bart? I'm thinking about restarting the basic Buhner protocol plus Boneset, and maybe some additional ABX (Klacid/Plaquenil, still have some in stock and it should also work against Bb). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 > > I'm thinking about restarting the basic Buhner protocol plus Boneset, and maybe some additional ABX (Klacid/Plaquenil, still have some in stock and it should also work against Bb). > Knotweed, sorry to hear you're not feeling well. I don't have any of those symptoms except the neck aches. Please don't take old antibiotics, as they can cause kidney damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 positive WB and visible spirochetes in 2008 Knotweed, how do they see spirochetes???????????? On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:17 AM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote: > > > looking for some input from the group regarding possible Bartonella > infection: > > Over the last month I had several new symptoms that come and go in a 6-7 > day cycle (four cycles now). The most obvious ones are: > > - neck pains (not sure if the pain is in muscle, arteries or something > else), throat feels tense/swollen, shoulder joint pain > - feverish feeling especially at night (warm ears/skin, feverish dreams); > but temperature is a bit below normal so not normal fevers > - swollen intestines, gut cramping, mild pains; feels a bit like food > poisoning. sometimes mild shaking of muscles in the morning. > > I have other long term symptoms that could point to Bart, most of them > started after the 2004 tick bite (some of these can also be caused by > Borrelia): > > - dark nodule under the skin near possible older bite site > - pain in foot soles especially in the morning or when walking (although a > bit less now than some years ago) > - small bright red dots, mostly on trunk and upper legs/arms > - spider veins and other issues with very pronounced arteries > - shin pains, swollen lymph nodes and intense night sweats (some years ago; > not recently) > - heart arrhythmia, especially when waking up > - underweight and undertemperature (less now than previously) > - skin problems (skin lesions; very thin, fragile skin) and connective > tissue problems (probably Bb issue). > > I have a confirmed Borrelia infection from a tick byte in 2004, that went > untreated for two years. This Bb infection is probably chronic, despite 1 > year of ABX and about two years of Buhner it probably is still there > (positive WB and visible spirochetes in 2008). I haven't used ABX for 3.5 > years, or Buhner herbs since 1.5 years or so, except for some brief > experimenting. There were no obvious signs of active Borrelia infection in > the last two years or so, but I still had some issues so you never know. > > The Bart infection could be from an earlier bite in the garden about 12 > years ago; I don't know what bit me, but it left an itchy spot that is now a > dark brown nodule under the skin (still unchanged after more than 10 years). > Had a lot of problems with heart/gut/skin/fatigue/hairloss for about a year > after the bite, but then it gradually disappeared. I was never tested or > treated for this, my doc said it was all due to stress, working too hard ... > > > My Bb infection was proven several times with a Western Blot. I did two > serologic tests for Bartonella from the same lab (in Cologne), but both were > negative. Probably the chance of false negatives is pretty big with these > Bart tests. > > I don't have the telltale red Bart rash (stripes). I do have many white > stretchmarks (e.g. on lower back and thighs) but those are probably from > severe weight loss after my tick bite. My doc did a standard bloodtest this > week, haven't heard the result but I guess it won't find anything special. > > I'm 100% sure there was no recent Bart (or Bb) infection. Could it be an > old Bart infection was reactivated after the Borrelia was finally done with, > or because I haven't used ABX or herbs for a long time? > > Any suggestions regarding signs that I may be missing, or that might point > to something else instead of Bart? > > I'm thinking about restarting the basic Buhner protocol plus Boneset, and > maybe some additional ABX (Klacid/Plaquenil, still have some in stock and it > should also work against Bb). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hi Knotweed, I belong to the Bartonella group (bartonella). Many of your symptoms sound very much like what many on the group have described. Rash doesn't have to be streaky. Many people have the small red dots on their skin. Bart affects the HPA axis (hypothalamus, pituitary and adrenals) and can dial down body temp. Foot pain is very common. Bart infects the endothelium which is the thin layer of cells that lines the interior surface of blood vessels. So your description of blood vessel involvement could also be a clue. I don't know if I have Bart but I generally assume to have the full cocktail of pathogens. If I recall correctly, you have not been a supporter of rife for treatment. However, many people seem to see a reduction of symptoms using frequency therapy. Someone sent me the information quoted below and it does appear from many people's experience that as one pathogen is knocked down, another becomes dominant, similar to the alpha males and females in nature: " When lyme/bart is reduced if you have myco, you'll start getting new myco symptoms as it emerges. Once myco is reduced, you'll get babesia symptoms, so with each emergence it takes some time to get that bug beaten back. " The following frequencies and order of treatment were suggested below. lyme 432 bart 832 myco 690 babesia 570 anaplasma 387 erlichia 395 epstein barr virus 880 xmrv 448 deb > > looking for some input from the group regarding possible Bartonella infection: > > Over the last month I had several new symptoms that come and go in a 6-7 day cycle (four cycles now). The most obvious ones are: > > - neck pains (not sure if the pain is in muscle, arteries or something else), throat feels tense/swollen, shoulder joint pain > - feverish feeling especially at night (warm ears/skin, feverish dreams); but temperature is a bit below normal so not normal fevers > - swollen intestines, gut cramping, mild pains; feels a bit like food poisoning. sometimes mild shaking of muscles in the morning. > > I have other long term symptoms that could point to Bart, most of them started after the 2004 tick bite (some of these can also be caused by Borrelia): > > - dark nodule under the skin near possible older bite site > - pain in foot soles especially in the morning or when walking (although a bit less now than some years ago) > - small bright red dots, mostly on trunk and upper legs/arms > - spider veins and other issues with very pronounced arteries > - shin pains, swollen lymph nodes and intense night sweats (some years ago; not recently) > - heart arrhythmia, especially when waking up > - underweight and undertemperature (less now than previously) > - skin problems (skin lesions; very thin, fragile skin) and connective tissue problems (probably Bb issue). > > I have a confirmed Borrelia infection from a tick byte in 2004, that went untreated for two years. This Bb infection is probably chronic, despite 1 year of ABX and about two years of Buhner it probably is still there (positive WB and visible spirochetes in 2008). I haven't used ABX for 3.5 years, or Buhner herbs since 1.5 years or so, except for some brief experimenting. There were no obvious signs of active Borrelia infection in the last two years or so, but I still had some issues so you never know. > > The Bart infection could be from an earlier bite in the garden about 12 years ago; I don't know what bit me, but it left an itchy spot that is now a dark brown nodule under the skin (still unchanged after more than 10 years). Had a lot of problems with heart/gut/skin/fatigue/hairloss for about a year after the bite, but then it gradually disappeared. I was never tested or treated for this, my doc said it was all due to stress, working too hard ... > > My Bb infection was proven several times with a Western Blot. I did two serologic tests for Bartonella from the same lab (in Cologne), but both were negative. Probably the chance of false negatives is pretty big with these Bart tests. > > I don't have the telltale red Bart rash (stripes). I do have many white stretchmarks (e.g. on lower back and thighs) but those are probably from severe weight loss after my tick bite. My doc did a standard bloodtest this week, haven't heard the result but I guess it won't find anything special. > > I'm 100% sure there was no recent Bart (or Bb) infection. Could it be an old Bart infection was reactivated after the Borrelia was finally done with, or because I haven't used ABX or herbs for a long time? > > Any suggestions regarding signs that I may be missing, or that might point to something else instead of Bart? > > I'm thinking about restarting the basic Buhner protocol plus Boneset, and maybe some additional ABX (Klacid/Plaquenil, still have some in stock and it should also work against Bb). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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