Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Adrenals have been called 'God's little factories' because they produce so many hormones and are important for balancing the whole body. Fatigue can be caused by so MANY things. Some info on adrenals and stress: http://www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx http://stress.about.com/od/stresshealth/a/cortisol.htm Here are my comments based solely on my experience. I am not a doctor, altho I played one once in a theatre. This is my second bout with adrenal exhaustion. My symptoms were extreme mental and physical fatigue, shakiness, weakness, mental fog, lethargy. Felt like I literally could not move. I don't know if my constant thirst relates to adrenal. I also felt hungry all the time. What I did: 1. Changed my diet drastically: absolutely NO sugar. all vegetarian except for one time a little bit of chicken. no liquor (which I did use to drink) a very little coffee I've been eating: brown rice, beans, beets, a lot of leafy greens, seaweed, sweet potato. I try to cook a lot, so I have some left over, and do not have to cook every time I want to eat. That's important cuz when I get hungry I need to eat NOW. I keep for those times when I want something different containers of: garbonzo bean salad, tofu egg salad (I haven't been eating eggs since I got sick), hummus, that kind of thing. Some supermarkets and all health food stories carry these prepared food. I eat them with whole wheat pita. I've cut down on salt. 2. Changed how often I eat. I use to typically eat a high protein breakfast and then try not to eat again till dinner, and sometimes not even eat dinner. I didn't have much of an appetite and I didn't want to be bothered. This is the worst thing a person with weak adrenals can do. Books recommend eating 6 small meals. I can't do that. But I do eat 3 times a day now. 3.Supplements and teas I'm taking: milk thistle (not particularly rec for adrenals as far as I know, but rec for liver, which at first I thot was the problem. And seemed to be helping. Plus I believe liver and adrenals interact closely.) Detox tea from Traditional Medicines - contains a lot of good things, and tastes great. Drinking a lot of yogi tea. (somewhere in the archives is the recipe- contains ginger). How I feel, about 4-5 days after starting the regime: Yesterday I walked! for recreation. Around a pond I usually walk four times around, yesterday I did 3, a big victory. (smile). I still feel a little shaky. I have a feeling if I gave up totally coffee, that would go away. I appear to be suddenly very sensitive to coffee. I seem to be sleeping better since I started this. I don't feel like I am bursting with energy. But I feel tons better than when I diagnosed myself with adrenal exhaustion. From a book on Natural Healing: Food good for adrenals- broccoli, carrot, potatoes, leafy greens, spinach, avocadoes, garlic, red pepper, onion, ginger. Whole grain, sea vegetables, millet, oats, beans: mung, garbanzo, black beans, adzucki beans Herbs - licorice and ginseng,schizandra, gotu kola, milk thistle. Also astragalus, with the caveat of Buhner regarding if you have chronic Lyme, Astragalus is not recommended. I'm off to have breakfast. Hope this helps. Wishing you good health, ellen > > > > Dear , > > > > I'm sorry you're feeling that way. > > I know exactly what you mean. When I first had Lyme, I had to > husband > > my energy. So if I was able to prepare breakfast, that might be it > for > > the day. > > Then as I improved, I fixed breakfast AND washed the dishes. > > (Boy I remember - that was a big step!) > > > > Don't know if you saw my post- I found CoQ-10 made a big difference > > for my Lyme-fatigue. > > Is there any possibility that you have adrenal exhaustion which is > > what I have now? > > Abx can cause it. If you think you do, I could post the diet and > > supplements which have worked for me. > > I am already feeling better than before, altho not yet 100 > percent. > > > > People have also found, and Buhner recommends, Siberian ginseng, > which > > I have not tried, altho I find any ginseng to be good for energy. > > > > regards, > > ellen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Ellen, thanks for your advise. i actually use to go to the woman to woman clinic. they actually could not help me, but i was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, exhaustion there and insulin resistance. I have sensitivities to gluten and sugar, so i sort of eat the kind of diet your doing and have for over 3 yrs. I went to a naturopath for almost a year and he had me on all sorts of herbal mixtures at a high price. i stopped. i was not feeling alot better. i have been diagnosed with chronic lyme and bartonella and could not handle the abxs, so at the time the LLMD i was seeing pulled me off them and started herbals and then i felt frustrated after seeing him for a year with no change, so i left and he now closed his practice and is practicing drug addictive therapy. I've seen alot of different people with no real success. I don't even know if the root of my problem is Lyme. I did IRT for almost a year and found that to be alittle helpful, but not much. I think my diet change has helped the most, but I'm still stuck here. I am on the search for the right person to help me. i don't feel comfortable just experimenting with herbs on my own. i think it's not safe. > > Adrenals have been called 'God's little factories' because they > produce so many hormones and are important for balancing the whole body. > Fatigue can be caused by so MANY things. > > Some info on adrenals and stress: > http://www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx > http://stress.about.com/od/stresshealth/a/cortisol.htm > > Here are my comments based solely on my experience. I am not a doctor, > altho I played one once in a theatre. > This is my second bout with adrenal exhaustion. > My symptoms were extreme mental and physical fatigue, shakiness, > weakness, mental fog, lethargy. Felt like I literally could not move. > I don't know if my constant thirst relates to adrenal. I also felt > hungry all the time. > What I did: > 1. Changed my diet drastically: > absolutely NO sugar. > all vegetarian except for one time a little bit of chicken. > no liquor (which I did use to drink) > a very little coffee > I've been eating: brown rice, beans, beets, a lot of leafy greens, > seaweed, sweet potato. I try to cook a lot, so I have some left over, > and do not have to cook every time I want to eat. > That's important cuz when I get hungry I need to eat NOW. > I keep for those times when I want something different containers of: > garbonzo bean salad, tofu egg salad (I haven't been eating eggs since > I got sick), hummus, that kind of thing. Some supermarkets and all > health food stories carry these prepared food. I eat them with whole > wheat pita. I've cut down on salt. > > 2. Changed how often I eat. I use to typically eat a high protein > breakfast and then try not to eat again till dinner, and sometimes not > even eat dinner. I didn't have much of an appetite and I didn't want > to be bothered. This is the worst thing a person with weak adrenals > can do. Books recommend eating 6 small meals. I can't do that. But I > do eat 3 times a day now. > > 3.Supplements and teas I'm taking: milk thistle (not particularly rec > for adrenals as far as I know, but rec for liver, which at first I > thot was the problem. And seemed to be helping. Plus I believe liver > and adrenals interact closely.) > Detox tea from Traditional Medicines - contains a lot of good things, > and tastes great. > Drinking a lot of yogi tea. (somewhere in the archives is the recipe- > contains ginger). > > How I feel, about 4-5 days after starting the regime: > Yesterday I walked! for recreation. Around a pond I usually walk four > times around, yesterday I did 3, a big victory. (smile). > I still feel a little shaky. I have a feeling if I gave up totally > coffee, that would go away. I appear to be suddenly very sensitive to > coffee. > I seem to be sleeping better since I started this. > I don't feel like I am bursting with energy. But I feel tons better > than when I diagnosed myself with adrenal exhaustion. > > From a book on Natural Healing: > Food good for adrenals- broccoli, carrot, potatoes, leafy greens, > spinach, avocadoes, garlic, red pepper, onion, ginger. > Whole grain, sea vegetables, millet, oats, beans: mung, garbanzo, > black beans, adzucki beans > > Herbs - licorice and ginseng,schizandra, gotu kola, milk thistle. Also > astragalus, with the caveat of Buhner regarding if you have chronic > Lyme, Astragalus is not recommended. > > I'm off to have breakfast. > Hope this helps. > Wishing you good health, > > ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 While you all are having fatigue, I am having scary bouts of energy. I must be going into a manic phase. I'm not out of control, but I am getting some work done like never before (and I generally feel good and happy!) but having a nasty side effect of a brain and nervous system that seems to be teetering on revved up. What kind of herbs do you all do to address that? I am thinking about adrenal adaptogens, not ginko, but rhodiola? I did read not to use if manic, though.... What kind of herb helps balance like a tonic have any of you found useful? Having dysautonomia, I have to be careful not to swing my body the other way too much... although a gentle or low dose of a herb that brings down the nervouse system might be helpful. Valerian? I'm driking chamomile tea tonight. Remember I am new to all this. ALso, if drinking teas (and is that recommended?) is Yogi teas or Traditional Medicinals good brands? I also know that when I feel this way, I need to slow down and rest some because my body does get revved up on something... anyone know (im not taking anything...)? i am experiencing alot of activity in my spine as well.. like things moving or my nerves are off or the bugger or toxins are having a party. Weird and unsettling. A heating pad helps. Does anyone know that bthis is? Thank you.. Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Hi apk, I also find diet to be as effective as herbs, at least for my adrenals. And a lot cheaper! It must be very frustrating to try so much and not attain success. I hope you find the right person to help you. You know, if you think Buhner's herbs are a good way, but don't want to do it on your own, you can go to his website and see if there is a Buhner-doctor in your area, ie someone who is using his protocol. There is also someone who will (for a price) act as a consultant, if you choose to do Buhner's herbs without a doctor. I think someone on this group might have more up-to-date info on this. Whatever your choice, I hope you find something that works! regards, \ellen In , " apkjacks " <apkjacks@...> wrote: > > Ellen, thanks for your advise. i actually use to go to the woman > to woman clinic. they actually could not help me, but i was > diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, exhaustion there and insulin > resistance. I have sensitivities to gluten and sugar, so i sort of > eat the kind of diet your doing and have for over 3 yrs. I went to > a naturopath for almost a year and he had me on all sorts of herbal > mixtures at a high price. i stopped. i was not feeling alot > better. i have been diagnosed with chronic lyme and bartonella and > could not handle the abxs, so at the time the LLMD i was seeing > pulled me off them and started herbals and then i felt frustrated > after seeing him for a year with no change, so i left and he now > closed his practice and is practicing drug addictive therapy. I've > seen alot of different people with no real success. I don't even > know if the root of my problem is Lyme. I did IRT for almost a year > and found that to be alittle helpful, but not much. I think my diet > change has helped the most, but I'm still stuck here. I am on the > search for the right person to help me. i don't feel comfortable > just experimenting with herbs on my own. i think it's not safe. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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