Re: First Dentist Appt. with Lyme ???

[Guest guest]

1) Is the filling an amalgam? If so, these are known to leak mercury vapors

(whether broken or intact - see www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA) and should

be taken care of by a holistic dentist who understands the precautions needed.

My regular dentist did not so I chose to look elsewhere. Chlorella and cilantro

are suggested in advance of any work to be ready to bind any mercury that is

released during the procedure. I had my amalgams replaced earlier this year and

the dentist provided an oxygen mask, safety glasses, and dental dam, plus used

suction while drilling out the old filling. Chlorella and cilantro or other

heavy metals binders are used after the procedure (can't recall for how many

days) to clean up whatever might have been released into the gums/tissues. If

you don't know of a holistic practitioner in your area, see

www.dentalwellness4u.com/freeservices/find_dentists.html.

2) I have rife machines and also a FIR sauna. They do very different things.

The rife is for killing (although some speculate that you can also choose

frequencies for healing and immune stimulation). The FIR sauna is for detox

(some believe the heat from the sauna will kill spirochetes but most people

don't herx from this and once would expect herxing if it worked that way). From

my own experience, I strongly believe that detox is critical to getting better

and avoiding that toxic feeling we have all experienced. FIR sauna, binders,

hot baths, etc. can all be used.

Rife machines (and there are many out there, some not really " rife " but called

that) can be very helpful but not all are equally effective. You can join

groups like lyme_rife or lyme_and_rife to ask questions. I personally have

found that having a rife machine is essential since I did not use antibiotics.

I have done some herbals but I don't believe they will take me all the way.

Most abx and herbals can't penetrate deep enough into the tissues. There is

also the risk of encysting. Even rife won't kill cysts but as active

spirochetes are killed off and cysts become active, the rife continues to knock

them out. Rosner's book on Rife machines, written in 2004, is rather

outdated but you can read about rife in general on the internet - there do not

appear to be detrimental side effects and rife in fact is killing cancer cells,

etc. So using it depends on your risk tolerance and balancing the long-term

effects of Lyme disease with long-term negative effects from any treatment for

it.

One protocol that supposedly can penetrate deeply is the salt/vitamin C protocol

which you can learn about on 's lymestrategies group. I have been on that

since last August and starting to notice a difference.

deb

>

> Well, a filling has come loose and I need to go to the dentist, is their any

advice as to what i need to do before or after the visit. Having lyme, I have

heard that dentists visits should be approached with caution? Any

thoughts....Also, my cognition is completely back, but last two days i have

noticed original symptoms starting, like a itchy rash on my calfs/shins like i

had originally gotten in the beginning and then also slight soreness in spine.

They are mildler than before but, makes me wonder if the cycle is starting over

and will end in another cns meltdown. I am just going to up my garlic

immune/detox program/simple diet and hope this will pass quickly without leading

into a backslide. Also, what is the opinion on those that have a biomat vs. a

far infared sauna. I finally have the money to purchase one or the other. I

was just wanting personal opinions. A friend said don't buy either invest in a

rife machine, but i am still unsure about using electricity in my body like

that, i am very much a naturalist and heat therapy sounds a little more safe.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> They are mildler than before but, makes me wonder if the cycle is starting

over and will end in another cns meltdown.

The normal cycle for Lyme symptoms seems to be about 5 weeks (for women probably

difficult to separate from their monthly cycle, but men also report such a

cycle). I have heard many times that the cycle gets more pronounced when

treating, probably because it is related to our immune system interacting with

the bugs.

I guess noticing an obvious symptom cycle while symptoms get a bit milder over

time (from one cycle to the next) is a good sign.

> Also, what is the opinion on those that have a biomat vs. a far infared sauna.

Far infrared is good for detox, probably only second to a good massage. But be

careful the first time, because it can be hard (especially if something is wrong

with you). You need to ask around before purchasing something, because not all

FIR sauna's are equal.

FIR is proven technology. On the other hand, I don't believe any of the

'science' behind biomats/earthing/rife, so i will refrain from comments about

those this time

[Guest guest]

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> Even rife won't kill cysts but as active spirochetes are killed off and cysts

become active, the rife continues to knock them out.

do the rifers explain why it doesn't work on cysts? Cysts aren't much different

from normal spirochetes, they are just one ore a few spirochetes coiled up

inside a membrane. They have less surface area, less antigen exposure and they

are less active than spirochetes. But nothing fundamentally different.

> and rife in fact is killing cancer cells, etc.

hmm ...

> One protocol that supposedly can penetrate deeply is the salt/vitamin C

protocol which you can learn about on 's lymestrategies group. I have been

on that since last August and starting to notice a difference.

maybe it helps, but 'penetrate deeply' sounds weird at least from the

biochemical perspective. Salt will not go beyond the gut, your blood salt levels

are strictly buffered (deviations are lethal). And for Vitamin C a bit of the

same, it may peak for a while but excess is quickly removed with urine.

So I don't see how they could reach the tissues where the spirochetes hide, even

less the inside of cells for intracellular parasites.

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that spirochetes were seen arcing back and forth or spinning

and breaking up under the microscope (this written by the developer of the Doug

coil) when the correct MOR ((mortal oscillatory rate) was applied. See

www.rifemachinebuilder.com/4.html for some historical reference on the Beam Ray

rife device.

As for the salt penetration into tissues, I will ask on the other group and post

any response.

deb

> >

> > Even rife won't kill cysts but as active spirochetes are killed off and

cysts become active, the rife continues to knock them out.

>

> do the rifers explain why it doesn't work on cysts? Cysts aren't much

different from normal spirochetes, they are just one ore a few spirochetes

coiled up inside a membrane. They have less surface area, less antigen exposure

and they are less active than spirochetes. But nothing fundamentally different.

>

> > and rife in fact is killing cancer cells, etc.

>

> hmm ...

>

> > One protocol that supposedly can penetrate deeply is the salt/vitamin C

protocol which you can learn about on 's lymestrategies group. I have been

on that since last August and starting to notice a difference.

>

> maybe it helps, but 'penetrate deeply' sounds weird at least from the

biochemical perspective. Salt will not go beyond the gut, your blood salt levels

are strictly buffered (deviations are lethal). And for Vitamin C a bit of the

same, it may peak for a while but excess is quickly removed with urine.

>

> So I don't see how they could reach the tissues where the spirochetes hide,

even less the inside of cells for intracellular parasites.

>

[Guest guest]

Why is seeing the dentist w Lyme a problem?

From: herbsilly <jfeliciano@...>

Subject: [ ] First Dentist Appt. with Lyme ???

Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 8:42 AM

 

Well, a filling has come loose and I need to go to the dentist, is their any

advice as to what i need to do before or after the visit. Having lyme, I have

heard that dentists visits should be approached with caution? Any

thoughts....Also, my cognition is completely back, but last two days i have

noticed original symptoms starting, like a itchy rash on my calfs/shins like i

had originally gotten in the beginning and then also slight soreness in spine.

They are mildler than before but, makes me wonder if the cycle is starting over

and will end in another cns meltdown. I am just going to up my garlic

immune/detox program/simple diet and hope this will pass quickly without leading

into a backslide. Also, what is the opinion on those that have a biomat vs. a

far infared sauna. I finally have the money to purchase one or the other. I was

just wanting personal opinions. A friend said don't buy either invest in a rife

machine, but i am still unsure about using

electricity in my body like that, i am very much a naturalist and heat therapy

sounds a little more safe.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't own a BioMat, but my Lyme LLMD in Texas does. When I went down for a

re-check/treatments in February, he put me on the BioMat for about 30 minutes 2

days in a row. I went in having horrible nerve pain all over my body, brain fog,

sleepiness, cold sensations, etc. That BioMat relieved almost all of my

symptoms, it helped me feel so much better. I've never tried the sauna, as I

don't handle heat too well.

Also, what is the opinion on those that have a biomat vs. a far infared sauna.

I finally have the money to purchase one or the other. I was just wanting

personal opinions. A friend said don't buy either invest in a rife machine, but

i am still unsure about using electricity in my body like that, i am very much a

naturalist and heat therapy sounds a little more safe.

>

[Guest guest]

The biomat rocks. It relieves my crippling pain as effectively as a

vicodin and in less time.

My husband got a virus last month. He laid on the biomat all day--

called it his savior--the next day he laid on it for 1/2 the day. He

was well the third day. My son was sick with the same virus the week

before- he had it for 9 days--never laid on the mat.

The biomat comes with the info about its proven technology.

~Mimi

www.iammimi.com

[Guest guest]

Spirochetes love soft tissue and collagen. They also will gravitate towards

injuries.

The mouth is bacteria paradise, warm, secluded, plenty of crevices!

Many people w/Lyme notice a sudden onset of periodontal issues.

Some dentists believe that root canals set up a perfect bacterial habitat -

and that 'mouth germs' can cause body system wide problems, even heart

disease.

As Lyme also interferes with mineral absorption, many people with Lyme will

experience sudden cavitation.

I once was in conversation with a Lymie who had lost 7 teeth since

contracting Lyme, in spite of previously excellent oral health.

So, all in all, as in all things Lyme we must be EXTRA vigilant. With oral

hygiene, do periodontal preventative care, attend to keeping the gums in

good health,brushing, flossing, cleaning, use the best toothbrush you can

find,

etc.

Be certain to always ask the dentist/hygienist to measure your gum pockets

and track any changes.

good luck - it's been my limited experience that Dentists are far more open

minded about Lyme than are the allopaths.

[Guest guest]

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> The mouth is bacteria paradise, warm, secluded, plenty of crevices!

> Many people w/Lyme notice a sudden onset of periodontal issues.

but I don't think the mouth is paradise for Borrelia; at most the Borrelia help

other bugs (e.g. treponema denticola, one of the bugs causing tooth decay, also

a spirochete) thrive in the mouth, by suppressing immune function.

Although some lymies probably get real dental issues, my experience is that many

get pain problems that are due to neurological issues (pressured/inflamed

nerves) and not physical problems. This could lead to UNnecessary action at the

dentist office.

I got serious tooth/jaw pain myself when my lyme problems got worse (I had

obvious neuroborreliosis then). Although there was nothing visible on X-rays, my

dentist decided to do root canal surgery. That made things even worse, and it

took many months before the pain disappeared. The pain clearly was not a root

canal infection. I have heard similar experiences from others.

Another common experience is 'jumping' tooth pains, just like the pains in

ribcage etc. that jump to other locations every few days. This cannot be

physical damage / infection, it must be nerve problems.

[Guest guest]

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>

>

> Another common experience is 'jumping' tooth pains, just like the pains in

ribcage etc. that jump to other locations every few days. This cannot be

physical damage / infection, it must be nerve problems.

should have said that a bit differently. IMHO the tooth pains can't be infection

or real physical damage if they jump every few days. It is more likely due to

nerve problems, or some mild inflammation of the jawbone.

The common ribcage pain problems are probably due to inflamed/damaged cartilage

(a common hideout for the chetes).

[Guest guest]

I had to see a dentist today for a failing filling. I did not have a

silver filling put in. I have a resin composite. I don't have the money

to have all my filling drilled out and replaced with some inert

non-toxic substance. He did remove the old silver. I had a local

anesthetic.

One thing I noticed afterwards my joints really hurt. I'm not sure if

this is due to the front, and the high winds we're experiencing - or due

to this visit.

So for this achy joint problem I have used ginger root. I'll add tart

cherry, maybe even turmeric + black pepper + olive oil. For the tooth

pain following the procedure I used homeopathic arnica 30x, Ledum pal.

30x.

The new dentist prescribed a short course of Keflex.

This new dentist says I have dry mouth, but his recommendation as to

what to use for this is full of junk, (Biotene) besides toxic fluoride.

I think I will use a combo of food grade glycerine and filtered water.

What is it with dentists pushing toxic fluoride?

Perch

>

> Well, a filling has come loose and I need to go to the dentist, is

their any advice as to what i need to do before or after the visit.

Having lyme, I have heard that dentists visits should be approached with

caution?