detox

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Hi

>My

> first hair analysis done in March showed virtually no trace of Mercury and

> now its risen substantially, obviously it must of been there but lodged in

> various organs and not in suspension.

You said you had had your fillings removed - that releases mercury into the

system and so will make you worse before you get better. Some say that

massive doses of C will help get rid of the mercury it. A dentist I know of

who specialises in removing amalgam fillings put his clients on C and

chlorpophyll oli, but I do not know what doses and for how long.

[Guest guest]

does anyone know of any good detox or intestinal/kidney/lliver cleanse

programs that have alll O-frendly ingredients....???

I now have appts set up to have my almalgam filings replaced and would

really like some advice on cleansing and detox....

thanks, jaen

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[Guest guest]

6 months to a year?? Yow. Even fasting, you detox more quickly. That

fills me with dismay... Not sure I want to endure that long of

feeling yukky during a detox. Any other feed back on this topic??

> >

> > , I appreciate your great introduction--it's

> > so great that you found

> > improved health via ER!

> >

> > I wanted to ask a favor of the gang on the list.

> > Anyone who has time and

> > inclination, I'd love to hear your stories about

> > what your experiences

> > were like when you first started the ER diet. I'm

> > sure you get requests

> > like this all the time from newbies, so if no one

> > feels like rehashing,

> > that's fine. But my body's been wacky since I

> > started maybe a week and a

> > half ago, and I know everyone's body will react

> > differently, but I'd sure

> > feel better if I heard that other people had similar

> > experiences.

> >

> > I'd been a vegetarian for four or five years. When

> > I first started the

> > program, I felt these surges of energy from the

> > combination red meat and

> > increased exercise. In the past few days things

> > have gone haywire--as I

> > mentioned in an earlier post, my sinuses have gone

> > insane; yesterday I was

> > nauseated most of the day just from the amount of

> > mucus I was swallowing.

> > I also was exhausted, slept most of the day. Today

> > still lots of drainage

> > (I'm sure you're all delighted to hear about my more

> > icky bodily

> > functions, but there it is) but not so sleepy and

> > nauseated, I'm hoping

> > the worst is over. Still feel kind of off, though,

> > not much energy, a

> > little dizzy. Now I'm having bizarre food cravings;

> > bizarre because I'm

> > not craving the foods I have given up, nor the new

> > HB foods like red meat,

> > but rather weird neutrals like eggs and chicken,

> > neither of which I ate

> > much of before. I feel like my body is just off

> > doing its own thing, as

> > bodies are wont to do during pregnancy or sickness

> > or other weird hormonal

> > changes. I feel like, hmm, wonder what bizarre body

> > things I will

> > experience tomorrow! No one knows, it's a mystery!

> > And I'm going just on

> > faith that this is some kind of detox process,

> > rather than something

> > nasty.

> >

> > Or maybe it's just allergy season and I'm

> > hypersensitive.

> >

> > Anyone have any thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Everyone reacts differently. 40 or 50 years of " abuse " however takes time to

heal. But not all form of detox " felt " . Remember, that by not eating avoids

you free up your liver so to speak and that feels great. Most of us have ups

and down. It's normal. Take care of your body and it will take care of you.

Hope this helps. love

http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: detox

6 months to a year?? Yow. Even fasting, you detox more quickly. That

fills me with dismay... Not sure I want to endure that long of

feeling yukky during a detox. Any other feed back on this topic??

> >

> > , I appreciate your great introduction--it's

> > so great that you found

> > improved health via ER!

> >

> > I wanted to ask a favor of the gang on the list.

> > Anyone who has time and

> > inclination, I'd love to hear your stories about

> > what your experiences

> > were like when you first started the ER diet. I'm

> > sure you get requests

> > like this all the time from newbies, so if no one

> > feels like rehashing,

> > that's fine. But my body's been wacky since I

> > started maybe a week and a

> > half ago, and I know everyone's body will react

> > differently, but I'd sure

> > feel better if I heard that other people had similar

> > experiences.

> >

> > I'd been a vegetarian for four or five years. When

> > I first started the

> > program, I felt these surges of energy from the

> > combination red meat and

> > increased exercise. In the past few days things

> > have gone haywire--as I

> > mentioned in an earlier post, my sinuses have gone

> > insane; yesterday I was

> > nauseated most of the day just from the amount of

> > mucus I was swallowing.

> > I also was exhausted, slept most of the day. Today

> > still lots of drainage

> > (I'm sure you're all delighted to hear about my more

> > icky bodily

> > functions, but there it is) but not so sleepy and

> > nauseated, I'm hoping

> > the worst is over. Still feel kind of off, though,

> > not much energy, a

> > little dizzy. Now I'm having bizarre food cravings;

> > bizarre because I'm

> > not craving the foods I have given up, nor the new

> > HB foods like red meat,

> > but rather weird neutrals like eggs and chicken,

> > neither of which I ate

> > much of before. I feel like my body is just off

> > doing its own thing, as

> > bodies are wont to do during pregnancy or sickness

> > or other weird hormonal

> > changes. I feel like, hmm, wonder what bizarre body

> > things I will

> > experience tomorrow! No one knows, it's a mystery!

> > And I'm going just on

> > faith that this is some kind of detox process,

> > rather than something

> > nasty.

> >

> > Or maybe it's just allergy season and I'm

> > hypersensitive.

> >

> > Anyone have any thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Is that what you call getting rid of whatever the bad foods did for you? My

husband and I have started this (we are both type Os) since we moved to PA

from FL. He has family here and they are using this also.

Now that I have gotten the newest book, Live Right 4 Your Type, even without

the test I am most likely a non-secretor, it fits me to a tee, I already

have all the disorders we are prone to plus some from the other blood types

too.

I haven't introduced myself yet, so here goes. I am 48, married, have two

children, 27 and 19, and three grandsons, 5, 1, and one who would have been

2 but was very sick, Di Syndrome, who only lived 8 weeks, totally in

ICU after an extensive open heart surgery at All Children's Hospital in St.

sburg FL. My children and grandsons still live in FL, which is good as

for the last year I was there, since the boys dad went to prison, my

daughter was rarely home and we were the primary caregivers to my grandsons.

Now she takes care of them and has a new wonderful bf who supports them.

Major stress release! We just send money to help out.

Prior to moving here in May, 2001, I was diagnosed with Lyme disease, but

have probably had it from 10-30 years. You can read my other diagnoses and

stats under my signature. I have just started antibiotic therapy for the

Lyme, Dicyclomine, 100 mg 2/day, take other meds, lots of supplements, and

am trying to do this blood type of eating with only highly beneficial foods.

I am somewhat confused with the tiers and the neutral, general

supplementation foods, just what I should try to stick to for the best

healing processes. Since I have started the abx, I have a few new symptoms,

bad pressure headaches and nausea, but don't know if I can blame it on the

food detox and/or the abx.

Among my other symptoms, besides extreme fatigue and short term memory loss,

I have cognitive problems which does not help me try to figure out what is

the best way for me to use the type O foods. Should I stick to tier 1, or

use tier 2 also as the book says, and how about the neutral stuff?

Also, should I stick to highly beneficial as much as possible on all three

lists, or only the first two tiers and include neutral stuff too? My

husband and sis-in-law are both also type O, my husband is 8 yrs older than

me but healthy as a horse and walks 2 miles a day, 3 on weekends.

Any help on figuring out what I should be eating/drinking would be greatly

appreciated. Also, anyone ever try to make their own ginger ale with club

soda, ginger flavoring and some sort of sweetener? Also, I am a chocoholic

and drink milk, buy 1% organic and put my own Hershey's syrup in it, and

even though I know it is bad for me, without it I have stomach problems. I

use it to " cover " my stomach when I take meds or supplements, which I do 7-9

times a day. I cannot eat 7-9 times a day so the chocolate milk I use as a

meal replacement when I need to take something with food or milk.

I have come a long way from my very hectic days with the boys and the heat

in FL, where I followed no dietary guidelines, to where I am now, but need

to refine so that I can maximize the benefits of the blood type diet,

hopefully before I get into heavier abx for the Lyme and probably Mepron for

Babesia, a parasitic co-infection often found with Lyme.

The abbreviations below are:

FMS=Fibromyalgia Syndrome

ME=Myalgic Encephamyolitis

CFS=Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

SSDI=Social Security Disability

I have not been able to work for the last 6 years but have consistently gone

downhill health wise and hope that the Lyme treatment and this new way of

eating will help me to regain some of my functioning as right now, I eat,

sleep, get on the computer, and watch TV, my husband works, cooks, cleans,

shops, does laundry and whatever else needs to be done. I am extremely

blessed and grateful to have such a wonderful husband.

Listen to what has to say below, for years, I worked full time, was a

single mother and went to school nights to get my 4 year Accounting degree,

last semester I even went full time, and then was unable to work long enough

to even pay off my school loans. They were forgiven when I went on

disability.

Hugs from a Light-House-Keeper finally in Pennsylvania (Anyone can clean the

house, only you can catch up on your rest) Michele E. Townsend,

FMS/90,ME/CFS/94, Lyme/??(DX2001)SSDI/95 mailto:michtown@... and

homepages: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/SupportSt/michtown/default.htm

With a dream to become an Inn-House-Keeper! Join us at:

TownsendVillage or by sending a blank email to

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-----Original Message-----

From: Dekany Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:05 PM

Everyone reacts differently. 40 or 50 years of " abuse " however takes time to

heal. But not all form of detox " felt " . Remember, that by not eating avoids

you free up your liver so to speak and that feels great. Most of us have ups

and down. It's normal. Take care of your body and it will take care of you.

[Guest guest]

I think the 6 - 12 months is at absolute worst. The bulk of it, if

not all of it, should be over within a few weeks

Smiles,

Re: detox

6 months to a year?? Yow. Even fasting, you detox more quickly. That

fills me with dismay... Not sure I want to endure that long of

feeling yukky during a detox. Any other feed back on this topic??

> >

> > , I appreciate your great introduction--it's

> > so great that you found

> > improved health via ER!

> >

> > I wanted to ask a favor of the gang on the list.

> > Anyone who has time and

> > inclination, I'd love to hear your stories about

> > what your experiences

> > were like when you first started the ER diet. I'm

> > sure you get requests

> > like this all the time from newbies, so if no one

> > feels like rehashing,

> > that's fine. But my body's been wacky since I

> > started maybe a week and a

> > half ago, and I know everyone's body will react

> > differently, but I'd sure

> > feel better if I heard that other people had similar

> > experiences.

> >

> > I'd been a vegetarian for four or five years. When

> > I first started the

> > program, I felt these surges of energy from the

> > combination red meat and

> > increased exercise. In the past few days things

> > have gone haywire--as I

> > mentioned in an earlier post, my sinuses have gone

> > insane; yesterday I was

> > nauseated most of the day just from the amount of

> > mucus I was swallowing.

> > I also was exhausted, slept most of the day. Today

> > still lots of drainage

> > (I'm sure you're all delighted to hear about my more

> > icky bodily

> > functions, but there it is) but not so sleepy and

> > nauseated, I'm hoping

> > the worst is over. Still feel kind of off, though,

> > not much energy, a

> > little dizzy. Now I'm having bizarre food cravings;

> > bizarre because I'm

> > not craving the foods I have given up, nor the new

> > HB foods like red meat,

> > but rather weird neutrals like eggs and chicken,

> > neither of which I ate

> > much of before. I feel like my body is just off

> > doing its own thing, as

> > bodies are wont to do during pregnancy or sickness

> > or other weird hormonal

> > changes. I feel like, hmm, wonder what bizarre body

> > things I will

> > experience tomorrow! No one knows, it's a mystery!

> > And I'm going just on

> > faith that this is some kind of detox process,

> > rather than something

> > nasty.

> >

> > Or maybe it's just allergy season and I'm

> > hypersensitive.

> >

> > Anyone have any thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I am a different story as I started eating healthy at age 18. I am

only 37. I didn't really have " problems " except for colds 3 times a year

where I'd be blowing my nose for a week. Now of course I know it was all the

whole wheat bread I was eating. Other then that I am fine.

You should eat in your condition 100% HB foods only. You will heal much

faster. Lots of green veggies (organic) and animal protein with very little

grain (best to avoid it for now) some fruits and squash.

Good luck.

love

RE: Re: detox

Dear ,

Is that what you call getting rid of whatever the bad foods did for you? My

husband and I have started this (we are both type Os) since we moved to PA

from FL. He has family here and they are using this also.

[Guest guest]

I feel better after reading more on this topic. The " up to a year "

had me skittish. I am starting to incorporate as much of the

beneficial and neutrals into my diet as possible, and reduce the

avoids.

I have been on a " healthy " diet since college, when I went lacto-ovo

veggie (forget the lacto now!), and health food. I am healthy for 43,

thanks to good genes and good food. Now I know all those whole grains

and dairy weren't the best. At least the organic fruit and veggies

were good, now just to eat the " right " ones. <g>

It's difficult, but I'm trying. I will probably do the " I Love

Dieting " to get a kick start, though not until after my holiday in a

couple of weeks. Hopefully it will help me stop craving those carbs

in forms of bread, pasta, etc. I still eat rice, but less. <sigh>

Thanks,

E Long (female, first initial + middle name, call me " E Long " )

> Well, I am a different story as I started eating healthy at age 18.

I am

> only 37. I didn't really have " problems " except for colds 3 times a

year

> where I'd be blowing my nose for a week. Now of course I know it

was all the

> whole wheat bread I was eating. Other then that I am fine.

> You should eat in your condition 100% HB foods only. You will heal

much

> faster. Lots of green veggies (organic) and animal protein with

very little

> grain (best to avoid it for now) some fruits and squash.

> Good luck.

> love

>

> RE: Re: detox

>

>

> Dear ,

>

> Is that what you call getting rid of whatever the bad foods did for

you? My

> husband and I have started this (we are both type Os) since we

moved to PA

> from FL. He has family here and they are using this also.

[Guest guest]

If you will look again I said 1 (one) month to a year

depending on length of problem and how strict you

follow the diet. Every time you have a bad day - look

it as good healing.

Hang in there

KM

--- E Long <elongp@...> wrote:

> 6 months to a year?? Yow. Even fasting, you detox

> more quickly. That

> fills me with dismay... Not sure I want to endure

> that long of

> feeling yukky during a detox. Any other feed back on

> this topic??

>

>

> > >

> > > , I appreciate your great

> introduction--it's

> > > so great that you found

> > > improved health via ER!

> > >

> > > I wanted to ask a favor of the gang on the list.

>

> > > Anyone who has time and

> > > inclination, I'd love to hear your stories about

> > > what your experiences

> > > were like when you first started the ER diet.

> I'm

> > > sure you get requests

> > > like this all the time from newbies, so if no

> one

> > > feels like rehashing,

> > > that's fine. But my body's been wacky since I

> > > started maybe a week and a

> > > half ago, and I know everyone's body will react

> > > differently, but I'd sure

> > > feel better if I heard that other people had

> similar

> > > experiences.

> > >

> > > I'd been a vegetarian for four or five years.

> When

> > > I first started the

> > > program, I felt these surges of energy from the

> > > combination red meat and

> > > increased exercise. In the past few days things

> > > have gone haywire--as I

> > > mentioned in an earlier post, my sinuses have

> gone

> > > insane; yesterday I was

> > > nauseated most of the day just from the amount

> of

> > > mucus I was swallowing.

> > > I also was exhausted, slept most of the day.

> Today

> > > still lots of drainage

> > > (I'm sure you're all delighted to hear about my

> more

> > > icky bodily

> > > functions, but there it is) but not so sleepy

> and

> > > nauseated, I'm hoping

> > > the worst is over. Still feel kind of off,

> though,

> > > not much energy, a

> > > little dizzy. Now I'm having bizarre food

> cravings;

> > > bizarre because I'm

> > > not craving the foods I have given up, nor the

> new

> > > HB foods like red meat,

> > > but rather weird neutrals like eggs and chicken,

> > > neither of which I ate

> > > much of before. I feel like my body is just off

> > > doing its own thing, as

> > > bodies are wont to do during pregnancy or

> sickness

> > > or other weird hormonal

> > > changes. I feel like, hmm, wonder what bizarre

> body

> > > things I will

> > > experience tomorrow! No one knows, it's a

> mystery!

> > > And I'm going just on

> > > faith that this is some kind of detox process,

> > > rather than something

> > > nasty.

> > >

> > > Or maybe it's just allergy season and I'm

> > > hypersensitive.

> > >

> > > Anyone have any thoughts?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/9/02 8:36:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

DoctorMaya@... writes:

> My problem now is that I'm detoxing from the fentanyl patch

Maya, I'm so sorry you are having to deal with detox. Hard to believe, but

detox can be more hellish than dealing with any of the spondy diseases. The

good news is, you can get through this, don't panic. Since you are having so

much trouble coming off with just the tapering of the patch, have you told

your doctor about your thoughts of suicide, etc.? I would get in touch with

him immediately. He may want you to try methadone or another combination to

ease your detox symptoms...or even a detox center? If he won't help you, try

someone else until you get help. Just know that all of us at RISG feel the

pain you are experiencing now. We are happy you are in a remission. When you

feel better and have climbed this next mountain, write and tell us of your

story about dealing with (ReA) Reiter's.

Best regards, Connie (Granny)

[Guest guest]

Maya,

Please get to a doctor right away. I agree with the others who have said

that if your pain doctor doesn't help you, you should seek another opinion.

Perhaps your internist could help. Medical professionals should always take

seriously someone who is suicidal. Perhaps a psychiatrist would also be

beneficial. They understand the mental ramifications that physical problems

can cause. Do not under estimate the seriousness of your situation. If

necessary, go to a hospital emergency room. I will be praying for you.

Warmest wishes,

[Guest guest]

Maya,

Not sure what a fentanyl patch is but have you considered that you're

not detoxing but " toxing " ? Medications of any kind give me Multiple

Chemical Sensitivities (MCS) - a recognized condition where the body can

no longer detoxify innocuous stimuli (fumes, medications, synthetics,

etc). It starts with drugs which stress the liver's ability to detox

and then spreads to other triggers. The symptoms you describe are

simiar to what I went through until I went off of Depakote. You might

want to do a web search on MCS and it's symptoms. I used to wear an

Androderm patch and eventually it started giving me flu-like symptoms,

chills and heart palps.

Steve - NYC

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/9/02 4:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

xanax006@... writes:

> Not sure what a fentanyl patch is but have you considered that you're

> not detoxing but " toxing " ?

Steve, fentanyl patch is a potent opioid drug that is sometimes used for

chronic pain. It must not be discontinued abruptly or with a rapid dose

cessation, or rapid dose reduction as it may cause the specific withdrawal

syndrome that Maya describes. Opioid type drugs, when given long term, can

produce symptoms and signs of CNS hyperactivity. The severity of the syndrome

increases with the size of the opioid dose and the duration of dependence.

This is what happens with opioid dependence. It is not to be confused with

addiction, but the same thing happens in both cases. Symptoms appear as early

as 4 to 6 hours after withdrawal Anxiety and an increase in respiratory and

heart rate, usually with yawning, perspiration, tearing, and runny nose

follow. Other symptoms include prolonged dilatation of pupils, gooseflesh,

tremors, muscle twitching or spasms, hot and cold flashes, aching muscles,

anorexia, and other symptoms may follow.

Best regards, Connie (granny)

[Guest guest]

Do you feel really sick, yucky and bad with it or just can't keep anything down?

Sick from both ends?

It's been a day or so now, are you better or still feel bad?

Kathy

jones2_81 <jones2_81@...> wrote:

Okay I've read a lot about a detox period that goes on within the

first few weeks of following this diet as your body rids itself of

the toxins, but I'm not sure if what I am experiencing is detox or

food poisoning. For about the last 24 hours I haven't been able to

keep anything in me at all, and previously I followed the diet quite

compliantly. I'm just approaching the third week now and haven't

experienced anything like this to this point. So I guess my

question is, has anyone else experienced this? I keep thinking I

ate some undercooked beef, but others are skeptical...not sure what

to think.

[Guest guest]

My stomach was the main culprit, but I was definitely drained of

energy too. Of course it probably didn't help that I did a 10km run

during that time and couldn't keep any food in me. But my stomach

constantly suffered from horrible cramping and grumbling all day and

night, something I've never experienced before. It woke me up

several times. And yes I was sick from both ends. I think it was

the meat the more I think about it. I strayed a bit and has some

yogurt yesterday with puffed rice cereal and a bananna. And I've had

some prunes and lots of water. Seems to have subsided considerably.

> Okay I've read a lot about a detox period that goes on within the

> first few weeks of following this diet as your body rids itself of

> the toxins, but I'm not sure if what I am experiencing is detox or

> food poisoning. For about the last 24 hours I haven't been able to

> keep anything in me at all, and previously I followed the diet

quite

> compliantly. I'm just approaching the third week now and haven't

> experienced anything like this to this point. So I guess my

> question is, has anyone else experienced this? I keep thinking I

> ate some undercooked beef, but others are skeptical...not sure what

> to think.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi again, Marc,

> I guess our differences are in the semantics.

Yes, I think we are in agreement. :-) I pretty much detox at the

maximum rate I can without feeling too bad -- even today, 5 years

later! Although there is usually a point almost every day where

I feel that I'm overdoing it and have to back off.

And certainly some of the most helpful supplements, therapies,

etc. in the long-run gave me a bad reaction initially, and

I also had to build up my tolerance to them. And I agree that

there is a tendency among those in the discussion groups to

not take things that give them ANY bad reaction, which I

think is not going to serve their goals of improved health.

For me, though, I pretty much discontinue any supplement,

therapy, etc. that gives me chest pains and panic attacks.

Of all the detox symptoms, these are pretty disturbing.

Chia seeds do this to me. The supplement Modifilan also.

Orgone pendants as well. Those immortality ring magnets too.

And most recently, the supplement Natural Cellular Defense

(NCD). The NCD was the only thing that I could find that I

could find a small enough dose that it wasn't too unpleasant,

and I really should (at some point) try to build up my

tolerance to that.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc,

I am the same--there is a particular time everyday when I seem most challenged

by detoxing. It is from around 1PM to around 4 PM. Is that the same time you

have problems? Just curious. I figured it was just an individual thing, but

maybe it is hormonal and circadium rhythms affect it.

Is the Natural Cellular Defense supplement a softgel cap or powder capsule? I

assume you know that you can break powder caps open and take just a portion of

the powder and repack the remainder into an empty capsule. But do you know you

can do the same with softgels? Prick the outside of the cap with a sterilized

pin and gently squeeze some out. Then if you leave the softgel for awhile, the

pin prick dries up. You can even put the excess of the oil into an empty

capsule case sometimes and take that later. This is what I do to get past the

initial period with most of my supplements.

Be well,

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

I pretty much detox at the

maximum rate I can without feeling too bad -- even today, 5 years

later! Although there is usually a point almost every day where

I feel that I'm overdoing it and have to back off.

And most recently, the supplement Natural Cellular Defense

(NCD). The NCD was the only thing that I could find that I

could find a small enough dose that it wasn't too unpleasant,

and I really should (at some point) try to build up my

tolerance to that.

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[Guest guest]

>I am the same--there is a particular time everyday when I seem

>most challenged by detoxing. It is from around 1PM to around 4 PM.

>Is that the same time you have problems? Just curious.

>I figured it was just an individual thing, but maybe it is

>hormonal and circadium rhythms affect it.

For me, excess detox is usually tied to taking too much chelation

stuff, or using my Springlife Polarizers too much. I haven't

noticed any particular time of time it happens.

There is supposed to be a daily cycle where the body alternates

between being in " detox mode " and " rebuilding mode " , so this

may be what you are seeing.

>Is the Natural Cellular Defense supplement a softgel cap or

>powder capsule?

It's liquid drops. The recommend dosage is 30 drops per day,

yet I cannot tolerate even 1 drop per day! I was putting 1

drop of it into a glass of water and then drinking half

the glass, which I'd say is like taking 1/2 drop. It's

amazing how sensitive I can be to some things...

One problem that I saw with the NCD was that it did not

appear to have any beneficial effect. That is, a lot of

the time when I take something that gives me some adverse

reaction, I also notice some benefit on top of that --

increased energy levels, better sense of smell, etc. But

with the NCD, all I noticed were negative side effects.

Of course, my dosage was so ridiculously low that I

guess I shouldn't expect any benefits.

> I assume you know that you can break powder caps open

Yes, I tried that with the Modifilan capsules. But

even at 1/10 of a capsule, I couldn't stand taking

it!

>Prick the outside of the cap with a sterilized pin

>and gently squeeze some out.

Yep. Tried that with the cod liver oil and the Krill

oil. Couldn't stand them even at smaller doses.

Lately, most of my attention has been on raw dairy

products. I do notice some adverse effects if I

drink over 16 ounces of raw milk a day, but 8 ounces

seems quite beneficial.

Marc

[Guest guest]

THanks for the info, Marc,

I will look into the daily cycle thing and see what I find. I just had not

even thought of this till you mentioned having problems everyday. I have not

tried many of the items you have tried. Most of mine are supplements and not

exotic in the least. You obviously have spent alot of time in your last 5 years

researching detoxing!

I do react to things, but not quite as badly as you do. Tho, when I started

with whey powder, I did have to start with only one or 2 grains of the powder.

Sounds ridiculous, but I had that much reaction! When you took half a glass of

the NCD, did you add more water to the mixture that you drank in order to dilute

it further? I have at times had to take extremely small amounts of

supplements--less than one tenth--too. But I react to medicinal drugs and

everything this way. When I was in the hospital, they put me on morphine and I

told them to give me only a forth of what they usually give (of that and the

anesthetics). It was like they gave me elephant tranquilizers. In the end,

they told me they had me down to less than one-fourteenth of the normal dosage

and I was still too drugged. My grandmother was the same. Everytime she went

to the hospital, they overdosed her to the point she nearly died numerous times.

I notice benefits from dairy products too. I unfortunately eat too many as

that is what I gravitate to now that I do not eat many grains and no sweeteners.

Yogurt and cheeses and cocoa! Oh my! lol Okay, now I am just being silly. It

is time I get away from this computer awhile! lol

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

For me, excess detox is usually tied to taking too much chelation

stuff, or using my Springlife Polarizers too much. I haven't

noticed any particular time of time it happens.

There is supposed to be a daily cycle where the body alternates

between being in " detox mode " and " rebuilding mode " , so this

may be what you are seeing.

>Is the Natural Cellular Defense supplement a softgel cap or

>powder capsule?

It's liquid drops. The recommend dosage is 30 drops per day,

yet I cannot tolerate even 1 drop per day! I was putting 1

drop of it into a glass of water and then drinking half

the glass, which I'd say is like taking 1/2 drop. It's

amazing how sensitive I can be to some things...

One problem that I saw with the NCD was that it did not

appear to have any beneficial effect. That is, a lot of

the time when I take something that gives me some adverse

reaction, I also notice some benefit on top of that --

increased energy levels, better sense of smell, etc. But

with the NCD, all I noticed were negative side effects.

Of course, my dosage was so ridiculously low that I

guess I shouldn't expect any benefits.

> I assume you know that you can break powder caps open

Yes, I tried that with the Modifilan capsules. But

even at 1/10 of a capsule, I couldn't stand taking

it!

>Prick the outside of the cap with a sterilized pin

>and gently squeeze some out.

Yep. Tried that with the cod liver oil and the Krill

oil. Couldn't stand them even at smaller doses.

Lately, most of my attention has been on raw dairy

products. I do notice some adverse effects if I

drink over 16 ounces of raw milk a day, but 8 ounces

seems quite beneficial.

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>I will look into the daily cycle thing and see what I find.

I remember where I saw this... it's on this page:

http://healthydetox.org/ndf/faq.html

Here is the relevant part:

" 3 am to 3 pm is the body's natural time to detox (catabolic),

3 pm to 3 am is the body's natural time to rebuild (anabolic). "

My only question is what happens when we switch to daylight

savings time? :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I do react to things, but not quite as badly as you do. Tho,

> when I started with whey powder, I did have to start with only

> one or 2 grains of the powder. Sounds ridiculous, but I had that

> much reaction!

I believe it -- one thing that amused me was my reaction to

Chia seeds (the stuff they use to make Chia pets). The seeds

are about the size of sesame seeds, and are supposed to have

wonderful health benefits. The recommended dosage is a

tablespoon a day. Well, I tried these and kept getting terrible

reactions (hyperactivity, couldn't sleep, panic attacks,

chest pains). Naturally, I kept on reducing the dose.

First a teaspoon, then 1/2 teaspoon, then 1/4 teaspoon.

Then I went to counting individual seeds, 60, 50, 40....

I never really found anything that worked, and I gave up at

about 20 seeds a day... I suppose I could have handled

one seed per day, but I'm not sure what the point of

that would be? Seems like at some point, you're just better

off trying something else.

One of the theories about why people are so hyper-reactive

to stuff is that the protective fatty coating around their

nerves (myelin sheath) is severely degraded (possibly due

to heavy metals, aspartame, soy, etc.), so without this coating

they are just too sensitive to everything. One thing that

can help with this is finding some good healthy fats

to consume -- I think the raw dairy is good for this, and

I've also had good luck with evening primrose oil.

Marc

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth I ran across something similar a couple days ago.

Where I can't tell you, but you all are probably use to me saying

that by now. lol

It went a bit different. Something like this: 5am-1pm detox, 1-9pm

doggone if I can recall what they called it, but the time to eat. 9pm-

5pm rebuild (sleep time).

It said if you eat earlier you disrupt that cycle. I've noticed that

most of my life that my body rarely cares to consume anything solid

before 11am. I've also noticed that if I get up in the morning and

do things for a couple hours before taking supplements or anything

but perhaps a drink, I have much more energy through the day, that I

seem to get no other way. It's not easy for me to do.

Something to be said for the farm life of milking the cows and chores

before breakfast. Then you're really ready for it and facing the day.

IF I run across it again, I'll post it.

~ Snoshoe

>

> >I will look into the daily cycle thing and see what I find.

>

> I remember where I saw this... it's on this page:

>

> http://healthydetox.org/ndf/faq.html

>

> Here is the relevant part:

>

> " 3 am to 3 pm is the body's natural time to detox (catabolic),

> 3 pm to 3 am is the body's natural time to rebuild (anabolic). "

>

> My only question is what happens when we switch to daylight

> savings time? :-)

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Marc,

Do you know if the seeds were organic? Maybe it was pesticides, etc.

that were the problem.

I know that makes a huge difference to me, on how I feel when I eat

things, or if there is a reaction.

~ Snoshoe

>

> I believe it -- one thing that amused me was my reaction to

> Chia seeds (the stuff they use to make Chia pets). The seeds

> are about the size of sesame seeds, and are supposed to have

> wonderful health benefits. The recommended dosage is a

> tablespoon a day. Well, I tried these and kept getting terrible

> reactions (hyperactivity, couldn't sleep, panic attacks,

> chest pains).

[Guest guest]

> Do you know if the seeds were organic? Maybe it was pesticides, etc.

> that were the problem.

They weren't labelled organic, so I assume they weren't:

http://www.celticseasalt.com/Chia_Seeds_C84.cfm

But yes, I also considered that they may have been contaminated

with something (heavy metals, etc.)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi,

They kinda look like what we call chan here.. not sure see no latrin name..

(chan i think is hyptis) Have intuited toward it at times. We just drink it in

water or in juice// You did mix it with water right?? Gets all guey like

frogs-eggs??

Funny i know i had a bag of it lying around the store and was just looking for

it today.. no luck..

Love

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> Do you know if the seeds were organic? Maybe it was pesticides, etc.

> that were the problem.

They weren't labelled organic, so I assume they weren't:

http://www.celticseasalt.com/Chia_Seeds_C84.cfm

But yes, I also considered that they may have been contaminated

with something (heavy metals, etc.)

Marc