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[Guest guest]

>They kinda look like what we call chan here.. not sure see no latrin name..

(chan i think is

> hyptis) Have intuited toward it at times. We just drink it in water or in

juice// You did mix it

> with water right?? Gets all guey like frogs-eggs??

Yes, they get a clear gel " bubble " around them when left in water.

Interesting seeds, if you can tolerate 'em... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc,

Sorry I am replying to such an old post. I was gone a few days.

Celiac disease can cause demyelinating of nerves, from what I understand.

Probably there are alot of things which can. I think I read that this is

related to the tight junction problem (from zonulin excess) that celiacs have.

And it is interesting that EMFs are also supposed to cause tight junction

opening. So maybe this is an area we could research regarding this. I forget

where I read about the celiac disease and demyelinating, but I will keep alert

to remember if I see it again.

My feeling was if I got a reaction from something I was using, then just start

small and work up. I felt that I was killing off something with just a few

grains of the whey powder. My lymphatic system felt clogged up afterwards, for

one thing, which I thought was a sign that the reaction I got was just one of

getting alot of detox per small amount of product. But perhaps I am wrong.

(Since I react this way to extremely small amounts of gluten toxins, I just

assumed I reacted the same to all toxins.)

Also as far as fats are concerned.... how do you know that is addressing the

demyelination problem, when it is also known that toxins attach to fats and that

alone can calm down the symptoms of detoxing if they then recycle the toxin back

into your fat reserves?

I reacted terribly to primrose oil when I was on it for several months last

year (tho I didn't know it was that that I was reacting to at the time). I

mentioned this to my nutritionist and he explained to me that any fats can be

the enemy when you are detoxing. I reacted also to cod liver oil. He told me

to go as low as I could on even the omega 3s, but especially the 6s and 9s. He

said to make sure I was getting enough antioxidants and fiber. He was very

concerned that I was recycling toxins. And he said the reaction to the primrose

oil was a sign it was causing inflammation in my body--according to him toxins

will not leave the body when inflammation is present. I was surprised about all

this because I, too, was under the impression that primrose oil in particular

was a good thing to use. I did find that getting off of it was very beneficial

in my case, tho.

I found also that eating dairy helped me, but he told me to be very careful to

not consume so much dairy that it hindered weight loss, as then I am recycling

the toxins back into my body fat again. I imagine different things work for

different people, but I have to be especially mindful of recycling toxins into

fat deposits, as this is my body's preferred destination for toxins right now.

Just sharing what my doc said. You can take it or leave it. lol

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> I do react to things, but not quite as badly as you do. Tho,

> when I started with whey powder, I did have to start with only

> one or 2 grains of the powder. Sounds ridiculous, but I had that

> much reaction!

I believe it -- one thing that amused me was my reaction to

Chia seeds (the stuff they use to make Chia pets). The seeds

are about the size of sesame seeds, and are supposed to have

wonderful health benefits. The recommended dosage is a

tablespoon a day. Well, I tried these and kept getting terrible

reactions (hyperactivity, couldn't sleep, panic attacks,

chest pains). Naturally, I kept on reducing the dose.

First a teaspoon, then 1/2 teaspoon, then 1/4 teaspoon.

Then I went to counting individual seeds, 60, 50, 40....

I never really found anything that worked, and I gave up at

about 20 seeds a day... I suppose I could have handled

one seed per day, but I'm not sure what the point of

that would be? Seems like at some point, you're just better

off trying something else.

One of the theories about why people are so hyper-reactive

to stuff is that the protective fatty coating around their

nerves (myelin sheath) is severely degraded (possibly due

to heavy metals, aspartame, soy, etc.), so without this coating

they are just too sensitive to everything. One thing that

can help with this is finding some good healthy fats

to consume -- I think the raw dairy is good for this, and

I've also had good luck with evening primrose oil.

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[Guest guest]

> My feeling was if I got a reaction from something I was using, then

> just start small and work up.

That would be good advice as long as you were positive that the bad

reaction was a detox reaction, and not a toxic reaction.

Generally, if I find that if my tolerance for a item increases over

time, then it's probably a good thing. If my tolerance decreases

over time, then it's probably a bad thing.

Also you must be able to practically find a way to take a tolerable

dose. If I get a bad reaction to a 1/10 of a capsule of something,

then I'd say it's too risky to experiment with something like that.

> Also as far as fats are concerned.... how do you know that is

> addressing the demyelination problem, when it is also known that toxins

> attach to fats and that alone can calm down the symptoms of detoxing if

> they then recycle the toxin back into your fat reserves?

Well, that's a good question! With the evening primrose oil, I could

see that it was helping my ES symptoms, so that alone made it worth

taking. Also, I tested well for it via EAV testing, and that's

indicative of it being a good thing.

> He told me to go as low as I could on even the omega 3s,

> but especially the 6s and 9s.

Really? Of course I'm sure you are aware that many people

promote taking omega-3's. But of course, on every issue,

you find people giving advice that contradicts someone else.

> He said to make sure I was getting enough antioxidants and fiber.

That's good advice, although I think he should be more

specific -- some items sold as antioxidants and

fiber are probably worthless, while others may be

great.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Snoshoe,

Thanks for the info. I am the same--never want to eat before 11 am and often

go till 1 pm. But then my timing is ALL goofed up. I go to bed around 3 to 4

am and wake 9 or 10 am. I love waking at sunrise (and it always seems like you

have so much more time when you wake early), but my body loves going to bed

around sunrise. lol I have tried many times to change this. It works for a

short time to wake very early and eat early. But then I get sick or a major

stress of some sort comes along and I am back to the old schedule of sleeping

from 3 or 4am to 9 or 10 am again. So I finally gave up on being a morning

person. lol

Thanks again,

Diane

snoshoe_2 <nonengbunny@...> wrote:

For what it's worth I ran across something similar a couple days ago.

Where I can't tell you, but you all are probably use to me saying

that by now. lol

It went a bit different. Something like this: 5am-1pm detox, 1-9pm

doggone if I can recall what they called it, but the time to eat. 9pm-

5pm rebuild (sleep time).

It said if you eat earlier you disrupt that cycle. I've noticed that

most of my life that my body rarely cares to consume anything solid

before 11am. I've also noticed that if I get up in the morning and

do things for a couple hours before taking supplements or anything

but perhaps a drink, I have much more energy through the day, that I

seem to get no other way. It's not easy for me to do.

Something to be said for the farm life of milking the cows and chores

before breakfast. Then you're really ready for it and facing the day.

IF I run across it again, I'll post it.

~ Snoshoe

>

> >I will look into the daily cycle thing and see what I find.

>

> I remember where I saw this... it's on this page:

>

> http://healthydetox.org/ndf/faq.html

>

> Here is the relevant part:

>

> " 3 am to 3 pm is the body's natural time to detox (catabolic),

> 3 pm to 3 am is the body's natural time to rebuild (anabolic). "

>

> My only question is what happens when we switch to daylight

> savings time? :-)

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Debra wrote:

>

> Good morning, Is there a file on what to expect for the first few

days of following the plan? I have had SO many things go on in my

body for 2 days--mostly soaking wet with sweat. I assume this is

normal? I have been on nyastatin since Dec., but adding the rec.

foods--broccoli and garlic, garlic tea, etc (whhich used to give me

headaches, now I understand why) has given my system a shock.

> Thanks for your support.

==>Debra, it is most important not to make changes too quickly, nor

all at once. Taking one step at a time will lessen healing symptoms

and die-off so you are not overwhelmed and don't throw your body

into a tizzy. For more information read articles in the Natural

Healing Folder; also check out the " How to Get Started " Folder.

==>Do ensure you are helping your body detoxify by doing dry skin

brushing, drinking lemon juice and ocean sea salt 6 times a day as

my article recommends, taking epsom salt baths, and also start with

a coffee enema (see the Enema Folder), etc.

Take it easier on yourself. Do let us know how you are doing.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thank you again Bee, I guess I am in a bit of a rush to feel better.

I will slow things down a little.

Debra

[Guest guest]

Debra wrote:

>

> Thank you again Bee, I guess I am in a bit of a rush to feel better.

> I will slow things down a little.

==>Yes, if you slow down you'll be able to deal with the healing

symptoms better.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I keep learning that DETOX (liver, gut, etc.--other than metals) for

> the body is very important. I am strongly considering coffee enemas

> along with ongoing liver support (milk thistle product). I believe

> that my liver is extremely congested--contributing to brain fog.

>

> Do you have feedback regarding coffee enemas and approach to

cleansing the body (gut first, liver second, etc.)--also, your

experience with [liver] and/or other body detox. How do you manage (or

know) the detox affects? Any specific information is helpful.

Contraindications for coffee enemas--body weight, other, etc.

==>, my diet cleanses the body naturally because of the high good

fats, so I do not recommend any cleansing products or procedures other

than enemas. The coffee enema helps decongest the liver and the

adrenals and it stimulates them to dump their toxins. See the article

on coffee enemas:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/enema1.php

And other enemas recommended are antifungal and probiotic:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_4_2.php

==>Other body detoxifying techniques recommendedinclude dry skin

brushing or exercise such as rebounding on a trampoline or jumping rope

to help the adrenals; my electrolyte drink; Epsom salt baths; liquid

chlorophyll; megadoses of vitamin C (see the vitamin C flush on my

website), etc.

==>See this section for handling toxins:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu_2_5_1.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

Ann,

I have heard only negatives - that the zeolites can be contaminated

with metals that you don't want to ingest, and that they do not

actually chelate, or effectively detox. No real studies have been

done. I've looked, and the hype on their website seems to be just

that - hype.

But I'm sure there will be others who claim they have had positive

effects, and it may be so. They may be doing something healthful that

we don't understand. They seem awfully expensive for something so

vague, though. Andy Cutler claims their action is about the same as

eating a water softener.

What sort of detoxing are you trying to do? Lyme toxins? Heavy

metals? I'd suggest Buhner's book for herbal support for Lyme toxins,

and (so far) I think Andy Cutler's protocol for chelating heavy metals

makes the most sense. That's just my opinion though.

D.

" Ann Prow " <aprow@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Has anyone heard anything about or tried Zeolite for detoxing???

>

> Ann

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann,

This link was provided today on the adult chelation group. It offers

Andy Cutler's perspective on zeolites, good and bad (with the good at

the end).

adult-metal-chelation/message/30366

D.

[Guest guest]

> My next question is, how do I detox etc?

Well, that varies by the person. Generally speaking, you take

substances called " chelators " , which are supposed to mobilize

toxins that are stored in your body, and put them into the

bloodstream and then out of your body via the liver/kidneys/

bladder/colon/skin. While chelating, your body may need to

take extra substances to replenish minerals, fight off viruses

and yeast, support organs stressed by the detoxification process,

etc.

There seems to be an umlimited number of ways to detox, and

one method that works great for one person may not work

at all for another. That is, that person may not see any

benefits at all, or they may have a horrible reaction

and have to stop.

Speaking from my own person experience, I have mostly

detoxed via nutritional supplements. I have experimented

with hundreds of supplements over the years, and have

eventually settled on those things which seemed to have

worked the best for me without having horrible side effects.

I have improved a great deal, but even after many years

I can tell that I still have toxicity related issues,

so I'm obviously still missing something (currently am

experimenting with liver support supplements). But so

far I've had the most success with:

Cellfood - general body support, gives me more more energy,

reduces allergies, normalizes my saliva pH (I've been

too acidic from day one, although I'm better now than

I was originally), and allows me to tolerate higher doses of

chelators: http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm

NDF - general purpose chelator, fewest side effects of the

ones I've tried, although tolerance is still fairly low.

Hard to say how much this as helped, as chelators are

generally a longterm solution. And my health has improved

over the longterm: https://www.bioray2000.com/Products.cfm

H-Minus - antioxidant, something that actually makes me

feel better almost immediately after taking it. Good for

when feeling overwhelmed by toxicity, also makes me feel

better from extended computer use: http://www.e3live.com/hminus.htm

Echinacea Premium liquid - whenever attempting to detox,

I inevitably will start getting sick more often (colds,

flus). This stops this from happening, and also makes

me feel better almost immediately after taking it:

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/MediHerbCatalog.spi?ID=273

Agrisept-L - yet another supplement which helps me

from getting colds & flus (a huge issue for me when

detoxing), or overcoming one when I've already gotten sick:

http://www.healthsuperstore.com/p-agrisept-l-1pack.htm

Now, certainly I've tried many other supplements that I've

liked, but these are the biggies for me. In most cases

I've had to be careful with my initial dose, as they

typically cause an adverse reaction, but over time I'm

able to ramp up to a higher dose. Although with some

of these supplements, a smaller than recommended dose

is plenty for me (and makes them cheaper to use, which is

important since some of these supplements are expensive!)

And of course, there are the standard recommendations of

drinking lots of clean water, eating organic foods,

using body products and cleaners which are free of

toxins, getting fresh air and exercise, etc.

And of course, if you ask 10 different people on this

list what they do to detox, you'll get 10 different

answers!

Marc

[Guest guest]

From what condition??? And by what method???

>

> Can anyone tell me how long does it take your body to detoxify itself?

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Can anyone tell me how long does it take your body to detoxify

itself?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ________ ,

Wouldn't you think that depends on many factors ?

your previous lifestyle

how long you have had any symptoms at all

how well your body is actually working at this moment

if you are following the plan 100% including all supplements at full dose

If you are on Bee's plan then I presume you have read all the material

sent to you intially. I am sure I have seen more then one article she

has written talking about the body healing and the time involved.

[Guest guest]

>Hi ,

Thanks for your reply. I have been on all aspects the diet for 10

months now. I started 18 months ago but it took me 7 months to work

up to all aspects of the diet because of die off. I was wondering how

long I would need to detox on this diet to be compltetly healed. I

was also wondering how do you know if you have completely healed or

not or are competely detoxed?

Blessings,

Mike

> Hello ________ ,

>

> Wouldn't you think that depends on many factors ?

>

> your previous lifestyle

> how long you have had any symptoms at all

> how well your body is actually working at this moment

> if you are following the plan 100% including all supplements at

full dose

>

> If you are on Bee's plan then I presume you have read all the

material

> sent to you intially. I am sure I have seen more then one article

she

> has written talking about the body healing and the time involved.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

It looks like Nicola gave you some good info already. I just wanted

to add that if you search old post, using the search funtion you can

also find what has been said on this topic.

It can be confusing. Often people initially think they had candida

for only a short while (because they relate it to a certain symptom

that they may have had for only a few years) and therefore assume that

they will only have to be on the diet for a few month. However, most

people realize, once on the diet, they had other candida symptoms

since they were very young, and thus find staying with the diet (for

an extended period of time) beneficial.

I would recommend reading old post on it, for more information. It

might give you more perspective.

Jecca

>

> Thanks for your reply. I have been on all aspects the diet for 10

months now. I started 18 months ago but it took me 7 months to work

up to all aspects of the diet because of die off. I was wondering how

long I would need to detox on this diet to be compltetly healed. I

was also wondering how do you know if you have completely healed or

not or are competely detoxed?

[Guest guest]

>

> Can anyone tell me how long does it take your body to detoxify itself?

==>For every person it would be different timing, and particularly when

you have candida and/or other bacteria, because they are still putting

out toxins until you cure them. The only way to cure them is to build

up the immune system so it is strong enough to " make " them change back

into the friendly organisms they are supposed to be in the body.

Also, it depends on whether other sources of toxins are eliminated,

i.e. body care and cleaning products, carpets which outgas, synthetic

fibres, electromagnetic influences from computers, TV, outlets, etc., -

see the Folder " C) Toxins & How to Avoid Them " .

Bee

[Guest guest]

" Bee " wrote:

> ==>For every person it would be different timing, and particularly

when you have candida and/or other bacteria, because they are still

putting out toxins until you cure them. The only way to cure them

is to build up the immune system so it is strong enough to " make "

them change back into the friendly organisms they are supposed to be

in the body.

***Hi Bee, we strengthen our immune system by proper nutrition and

detoxing, are we strengthening our immune system when we

heal/retrace areas that were previously afflictecd with illness and

then suppressed with drugs? Im just trying to get my head around

the immune system, it seems as if its some intangible

thing........and how will we know when its as strong as it should be?

lov Kat

> Also, it depends on whether other sources of toxins are

eliminated, i.e. body care and cleaning products, carpets which

outgas, synthetic fibres, electromagnetic influences from

computers, TV, outlets, etc., see the Folder " C) Toxins & How to

Avoid Them " .

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

> > ==>For every person it would be different timing, and

particularly

> when you have candida and/or other bacteria, because they are

still

> putting out toxins until you cure them. The only way to cure them

> is to build up the immune system so it is strong enough to " make "

> them change back into the friendly organisms they are supposed to

be

> in the body.

>

> ***Hi Bee, we strengthen our immune system by proper nutrition and

> detoxing, are we strengthening our immune system when we

> heal/retrace areas that were previously afflictecd with illness and

> then suppressed with drugs? Im just trying to get my head around

> the immune system, it seems as if its some intangible

> thing........and how will we know when its as strong as it should

be?

==>Hi Kat. When your body re-traces or heals areas it isn't

necessarially strengthening your immune system, but it can mean your

immune system is trying very hard to heal the body. Also during

natural healing your body will naturally go backwards in time through

previous symptoms, like peeling off layers of an onion.

==>You will know it is strong enough when you do not have any healing

or die-off symptoms for at least 3 months. In any case, to maintain

a strong immune system you need to follow the basic principles of

this program by always providing your body with the nutrients it

needs and by avoiding toxins. Stress itself can depress the immune

system so during those times it is very important to ensure you are

getting proper nutrients. When you get sick in future you will

understand better what is happening and why, and you'll be able to

correct it quite quickly. That's the beauty of this program; it

teaches you about natural healing, how the body detoxifies, and the

basic nutrients required in order to be healthy.

When I went to my parent's I had a rough time with the foods provided

because there were so many carbs like white rice, noodles and other

pasta, and I was also under a lot of stress. I had just lost my job

November 2nd as well, so I was worried about getting another one and

about my finances, yet I had to make the trip. So I took megadoses

of vitamins and minerals, and my other supplements. I drank a lot of

tea, and picked out meats and ate salads instead of high carb foods,

added lots of butter and/or olive oil to them, and ate no sugars,

fruits or grains. When I got back home I had to take extra things to

help my body detoxify. My sinuses got stuffed up because of the

toxins I consumed, so I've been using salt water snizzles and

humidifying the air by simmering water on the stove all day. Epsom

salt baths are helping, and I'm taking liquid chlorophyll twice a day.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> Detox does not have to be expensive.

> An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

I should also point out that people with ES should be *very*

careful when attempting any type of detox. Go slow at first,

and take only a fraction of the recommended dosage of anything

to first check for a bad reaction. If you have a bad reaction,

either stop or reduce the dosage.

As for the ionizing footspa, I had a terrible reaction to a

" Bionic Hydrotherapy " footbath, and overnight my ES returned to

high levels that I had not experienced for 5 years. And I have

literally spent the last 7 months of weekly doctors appointments

and thousands of dollars attempting to get back to the level of

health that I had prior to the footbath. So every form of detox

has its risks, no matter how safe everyone says it is.

Marc

[Guest guest]

i was considering doing a detox so that I could have a better result with the

ABX injections

I have started. We never did, or even looked into it. The idea is great as it

cleannses the body and help medicines to have a cleaner platter to worki with.

However for me being a teen diets and detoxes are hard to fit in.....

 

glad to hear the input also...

Elaina

From: Geri Logan <hotwheels@...>

Subject: [ ] detox

Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 4:09 PM

Hi group ,

Thank you for all your continued help........

Someone on here said about dioxing ones body.

How do you go about doing that?

Geri

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the encouragement! :-)

Miriam

>

> Hi Miriam,

>

> I went to a dentist several years ago to have my amalgam removed and

he advised me to do a liver detox before I had them removed.He said he wouldnt

do it until I detoxed first,as the mercury makes you toxic and removing them

would cause you to detox to much all at once.I had to a liver cleanse which

involved absolutely no food or drink apart from water for 24 hours.The next day

I had to drink a certain amount of epsom salts in water and also a mixture of

freshly squeezed grapefruit juice and virgin olive oil.It was the most foul

thing Id tasted,up until then and the effects frightened the life out of me!I

thought I was dying,as he didnt tell me the pain I was going to endure!The

stomach cramps were unbelievable and felt like my stomach was going to explode.I

passed 'stones' of various different colours from yellow to dark pea green.Some

were very small and some were the size of marrowfat peas!I didnt go back to the

dentist,as he moved and went private.

>

> Best wishes Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

Was Listentng to the Stopthethryoidmadness call last night and it said anyone

with the least amount of adrenal fatigue shouldn't do any detox at all. Stress.

Just in case you have adrenal fatigue I thought I would let u know.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Since yesterday I have remembered something a naturopath told me about this type

of liver cleanse.

" A liver flush is a combination of oil and epsom salts. Don't use it because if

you have a stone it might shift into a bile duct and block it, requiring an

operation. What you see as the result of a liver flush is a kind of soap. The

liver can't break down so much oil at once – what you see is the oil, not

anything flushed out of the liver. "

I'm afraid it looks as though you suffered for nothing. :-(

Miriam

I had to a liver cleanse which involved absolutely no food or drink apart from

water for 24 hours.The next day I had to drink a certain amount of epsom salts

in water and also a mixture of freshly squeezed grapefruit juice and virgin

olive oil.It was the most foul thing Id tasted,up until then and the effects

frightened the life out of me!I thought I was dying,as he didnt tell me the pain

I was going to endure!The stomach cramps were unbelievable and felt like my

stomach was going to explode.I passed 'stones' of various different colours from

yellow to dark pea green.Some were very small and some were the size of

marrowfat peas!I didnt go back to the dentist,as he moved and went private.

>

> Best wishes Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

You won't notice much at a low dose.How much are you taking?AliOn Jan 29, 2010, at 8:35 PM, lookonthebriteside wrote:I was wondering...If one doesn't notice much in the way of detox symptoms upon starting iodine, is that good? Does that mean that there is little to detox and/or that detox is going very smoothly? Sherry