Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 My daughter told me that quorum sensing allows bacteria to form biofilms. She has a degree in biology and works in a research lab. Knotweed: do you agree? >Bacteria in a biofilm share a lot more than just genetic information. They also share other information, energy, building materials, etc. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/ftf-gorby/ and http://www.scivee.tv/node/10036 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 > > > My daughter told me that quorum sensing allows bacteria to form biofilms. She has a degree in biology and works in a research lab. > > > Knotweed: do you agree? more or less ;-) quorum sensing is important for biofilms (and many other things), but maybe not absolutely required. Not all bacteria use quorum sensing, it is mostly the more pathogenic ones. Biofilms require some type of cooperation, but this doesn't need to be in the form of QS, other options are electrical contacts and (probably) data exchange through viruses and plasmids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 So theoretically does Buhner's protocol keep Bb from forming biofilms? I'm really having a strong reaction to cat's claw and knotweed. Similar to IV abxs, except I've been able to gain 5 lbs. Fatigue is more chronic (not severe), mood low, cognition more difficult, more tingling/vibrating, more tinnitus-- since ramping up the herbs about 1 month ago. My hope is this could mean that the herbs are disrupting the spirochetes. Of course there's no way of knowing. <quorum sensing is important for biofilms (and many other things), but maybe not absolutely required. Not all bacteria use quorum sensing, it is mostly the more pathogenic ones. Biofilms require some type of cooperation, but this doesn't need to be in the form of QS, other options are electrical contacts and (probably) data exchange through viruses and plasmids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 > > > So theoretically does Buhner's protocol keep Bb from forming biofilms? andrographis and astragalus are strong QS blockers, and herbs closely related to smilax and eleuthero are QS blockers. I wouldn't be suprised if there are strong QS blockers in knotweed root as well. So these herbs could potentially help to prevent formation of biofilms, or help breaking down existing biofilms. But at this point this is all guessing, we don't even know 100% sure if Borrelia uses QS, and I'm not sure if the herbs that I mentioned are AI-2 blockers (if Borrelia uses QS, it is the AI-2 version). > I'm really having a strong reaction to cat's claw and knotweed. Similar to IV abxs, except I've been able to gain 5 lbs. Fatigue is more chronic (not severe), mood low, cognition more difficult, more tingling/vibrating, more tinnitus-- since ramping up the herbs about 1 month ago. My hope is this could mean that the herbs are disrupting the spirochetes. Of course there's no way of knowing. sounds like herxing which supposedly is good, but yes - no one knows for sure. For the fatigue, try eleuthero (worked well for me and some others). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 For me, fatigue was due to the effect of the Lyme and coinfections on the thyroid and adrenals. I am taking Westhroid, which is similar to Armour thyroid supplement. I also had my adrenal function tested and found it was tanked. So I started a homeopathic supplement for the adrenal gland. This seems to be making a difference in my energy levels. deb > > > > > > So theoretically does Buhner's protocol keep Bb from forming biofilms? > > andrographis and astragalus are strong QS blockers, and herbs closely related to smilax and eleuthero are QS blockers. I wouldn't be suprised if there are strong QS blockers in knotweed root as well. > > So these herbs could potentially help to prevent formation of biofilms, or help breaking down existing biofilms. But at this point this is all guessing, we don't even know 100% sure if Borrelia uses QS, and I'm not sure if the herbs that I mentioned are AI-2 blockers (if Borrelia uses QS, it is the AI-2 version). > > > I'm really having a strong reaction to cat's claw and knotweed. Similar to IV abxs, except I've been able to gain 5 lbs. Fatigue is more chronic (not severe), mood low, cognition more difficult, more tingling/vibrating, more tinnitus-- since ramping up the herbs about 1 month ago. My hope is this could mean that the herbs are disrupting the spirochetes. Of course there's no way of knowing. > > sounds like herxing which supposedly is good, but yes - no one knows for sure. > > For the fatigue, try eleuthero (worked well for me and some others). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Hi Deb, I was taking Synthroid for my low thyroid, but asked to be switched to Armour, but then the pharmacist switched me to another natural armour like pill, but I have no idea what it is. What are you taking for your adrenal gland, I would love to have alittle more energy and maybe that is my problem, not sure they ever tested my adrenal glands. Thanks, dixie On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Deb57 <ds@...> wrote: > > > For me, fatigue was due to the effect of the Lyme and coinfections on the > thyroid and adrenals. I am taking Westhroid, which is similar to Armour > thyroid supplement. I also had my adrenal function tested and found it was > tanked. So I started a homeopathic supplement for the adrenal gland. This > seems to be making a difference in my energy levels. > > deb > > > > > > > > > > > > So theoretically does Buhner's protocol keep Bb from forming biofilms? > > > > andrographis and astragalus are strong QS blockers, and herbs closely > related to smilax and eleuthero are QS blockers. I wouldn't be suprised if > there are strong QS blockers in knotweed root as well. > > > > So these herbs could potentially help to prevent formation of biofilms, > or help breaking down existing biofilms. But at this point this is all > guessing, we don't even know 100% sure if Borrelia uses QS, and I'm not sure > if the herbs that I mentioned are AI-2 blockers (if Borrelia uses QS, it is > the AI-2 version). > > > > > I'm really having a strong reaction to cat's claw and knotweed. Similar > to IV abxs, except I've been able to gain 5 lbs. Fatigue is more chronic > (not severe), mood low, cognition more difficult, more tingling/vibrating, > more tinnitus-- since ramping up the herbs about 1 month ago. My hope is > this could mean that the herbs are disrupting the spirochetes. Of course > there's no way of knowing. > > > > sounds like herxing which supposedly is good, but yes - no one knows for > sure. > > > > For the fatigue, try eleuthero (worked well for me and some others). > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Deb. What did you find to help your adrenals? Thanks Michele Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T [ ] Re: biofilms- Knotweed For me, fatigue was due to the effect of the Lyme and coinfections on the thyroid and adrenals. I am taking Westhroid, which is similar to Armour thyroid supplement. I also had my adrenal function tested and found it was tanked. So I started a homeopathic supplement for the adrenal gland. This seems to be making a difference in my energy levels. deb > > > > > > So theoretically does Buhner's protocol keep Bb from forming biofilms? > > andrographis and astragalus are strong QS blockers, and herbs closely related to smilax and eleuthero are QS blockers. I wouldn't be suprised if there are strong QS blockers in knotweed root as well. > > So these herbs could potentially help to prevent formation of biofilms, or help breaking down existing biofilms. But at this point this is all guessing, we don't even know 100% sure if Borrelia uses QS, and I'm not sure if the herbs that I mentioned are AI-2 blockers (if Borrelia uses QS, it is the AI-2 version). > > > I'm really having a strong reaction to cat's claw and knotweed. Similar to IV abxs, except I've been able to gain 5 lbs. Fatigue is more chronic (not severe), mood low, cognition more difficult, more tingling/vibrating, more tinnitus-- since ramping up the herbs about 1 month ago. My hope is this could mean that the herbs are disrupting the spirochetes. Of course there's no way of knowing. > > sounds like herxing which supposedly is good, but yes - no one knows for sure. > > For the fatigue, try eleuthero (worked well for me and some others). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 The product I was given is HAD Adrenal Drops by Seroyal (Genestra Brands). I was told to take 10 drops between 3 pm and 5 pm. There are other supplements for adrenals as well, such as Drenamine which is made by Standard Process. I can't advise on dose for anyone else. I found this link. I paid the doctor $16.50 and this is cheaper but shipping probably takes it up. http://pureformulas.com/had-adrenal-drops-30ml-by-seroyal.html deb > > > > > > > > > > > > So theoretically does Buhner's protocol keep Bb from forming biofilms? > > > > > > andrographis and astragalus are strong QS blockers, and herbs closely > > related to smilax and eleuthero are QS blockers. I wouldn't be suprised if > > there are strong QS blockers in knotweed root as well. > > > > > > So these herbs could potentially help to prevent formation of biofilms, > > or help breaking down existing biofilms. But at this point this is all > > guessing, we don't even know 100% sure if Borrelia uses QS, and I'm not sure > > if the herbs that I mentioned are AI-2 blockers (if Borrelia uses QS, it is > > the AI-2 version). > > > > > > > I'm really having a strong reaction to cat's claw and knotweed. Similar > > to IV abxs, except I've been able to gain 5 lbs. Fatigue is more chronic > > (not severe), mood low, cognition more difficult, more tingling/vibrating, > > more tinnitus-- since ramping up the herbs about 1 month ago. My hope is > > this could mean that the herbs are disrupting the spirochetes. Of course > > there's no way of knowing. > > > > > > sounds like herxing which supposedly is good, but yes - no one knows for > > sure. > > > > > > For the fatigue, try eleuthero (worked well for me and some others). > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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