Guest guest Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Knotweed, powdered herbs don't last as long as tincs, i do have some powdered herbs that still smell very good after 6months on a dark pantry shelf. Also, you could buy cut and sifted herbs and make tinctures out of them, i believe they are just as effective, and buhner has given dosages for those that want to use all tincs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 > > Knotweed, > powdered herbs don't last as long as tincs, i do have some powdered herbs that still smell very good after 6months on a dark pantry shelf. Also, you could buy cut and sifted herbs and make tinctures out of them, i believe they are just as effective, and buhner has given dosages for those that want to use all tincs. > I tried for Eleuthero, but ran into some practical problem. Going higher than 1:5 was impossible, because the cut-and-sift stuff takes up a lot of room relative to its weight. I wonder how they make the higher concentrations (make cut it very fine before tincturing, or using a pressurised process?). Herbfarm has 1:2 or maybe that is 2:1; it is MUCH darker than my own tincture and seems much stronger indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 > > > > Knotweed, > > powdered herbs don't last as long as tincs, i do have some powdered herbs that still smell very good after 6months on a dark pantry shelf. Also, you could buy cut and sifted herbs and make tinctures out of them, i believe they are just as effective, and buhner has given dosages for those that want to use all tincs. > > > > I tried for Eleuthero, but ran into some practical problem. Going higher than 1:5 was impossible, because the cut-and-sift stuff takes up a lot of room relative to its weight. I wonder how they make the higher concentrations (make cut it very fine before tincturing, or using a pressurised process?). Herbfarm has 1:2 or maybe that is 2:1; it is MUCH darker than my own tincture and seems much stronger indeed. > I also tried to make Eleuthero tincture indeed impossible to go higher than ~1:5. But I think it doesn't matter, as you can just take more drops. I made a lot of tinctures lately, and I'm always have to carefully search for the right dose. Same goes with the Eleuthero-tincture, if I take too much I get speedy; like with drinking too much coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 > I tried for Eleuthero, but ran into some practical problem. Going higher than 1:5 was impossible, because the cut-and-sift stuff takes up a lot of room relative to its weight. I wonder how they make the higher concentrations (make cut it very fine before tincturing, or using a pressurised process?). Herbfarm has 1:2 or maybe that is 2:1; it is MUCH darker than my own tincture and seems much stronger indeed. > I think you have to use the percolation method. I haven't tried it yet, but am waiting on one that a friend is mailing to me. You can make them. Just google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 > > > > I think you have to use the percolation method. I haven't tried it yet, but am waiting on one that a friend is mailing to me. You can make them. Just google it. OK, I guessed that from my chemistry background But I don't have any experience working with herbs, so I would appreciate more detailed instructions for this if you get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 > > > I also tried to make Eleuthero tincture indeed impossible to go higher than ~1:5. But I think it doesn't matter, as you can just take more drops. I made a lot of tinctures lately, and I'm always have to carefully search for the right dose. Same goes with the Eleuthero-tincture, if I take too much I get speedy; like with drinking too much coffee. I used a full dropper of the HerbPharm Eleuthero product, 3x a day. With my own product I have to use a lot more for the same dose, which is a significant amount of alcohol (it's 60% alcohol ...). For one herb it is not really a problem yet, but if you use more tinctures it adds up to a significant amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 What's the difference between making tinctures and decoctions with cut & sifted herbs? I got instructions from 1st Chinese how to make decoctions with knotweed (1 cup herb, 4 cups water, boil gently until reduced by half). [ ] Re: Dried Herbs/Cut & Sifted > > > > Knotweed, > > powdered herbs don't last as long as tincs, i do have some powdered herbs that still smell very good after 6months on a dark pantry shelf. Also, you could buy cut and sifted herbs and make tinctures out of them, i believe they are just as effective, and buhner has given dosages for those that want to use all tincs. > > > > I tried for Eleuthero, but ran into some practical problem. Going higher than 1:5 was impossible, because the cut-and-sift stuff takes up a lot of room relative to its weight. I wonder how they make the higher concentrations (make cut it very fine before tincturing, or using a pressurised process?). Herbfarm has 1:2 or maybe that is 2:1; it is MUCH darker than my own tincture and seems much stronger indeed. > I also tried to make Eleuthero tincture indeed impossible to go higher than ~1:5. But I think it doesn't matter, as you can just take more drops. I made a lot of tinctures lately, and I'm always have to carefully search for the right dose. Same goes with the Eleuthero-tincture, if I take too much I get speedy; like with drinking too much coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Does Eleuthero help? All I felt was loads of diareah? Jay [ ] Re: Dried Herbs/Cut & Sifted > > > I also tried to make Eleuthero tincture indeed impossible to go higher than ~1:5. But I think it doesn't matter, as you can just take more drops. I made a lot of tinctures lately, and I'm always have to carefully search for the right dose. Same goes with the Eleuthero-tincture, if I take too much I get speedy; like with drinking too much coffee. I used a full dropper of the HerbPharm Eleuthero product, 3x a day. With my own product I have to use a lot more for the same dose, which is a significant amount of alcohol (it's 60% alcohol ...). For one herb it is not really a problem yet, but if you use more tinctures it adds up to a significant amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 I had the same issue at first, Jay. It lasted for a week and a half, then subsided. I treasure Eleuthero and feel a tremendous difference when I don't take it. > > > Does Eleuthero help? > All I felt was loads of diareah? > Jay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 > > What's the difference between making tinctures and decoctions with cut & sifted herbs? I got instructions from 1st Chinese how to make decoctions with knotweed (1 cup herb, 4 cups water, boil gently until reduced by half). decoctions use heat, not all components of the herb will be heat stable. Tinctures use alcohol or glycerine (or maybe other solutions) to extract over a long time at room temperature. They extract other components compared to using heated water. My guess is that usually tinctures retain more of the herb properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 > > Does Eleuthero help? yes, I had improvement of my fatigue. But I only used if for one month, as it is pretty expensive at higher dose. I'm now using my own Eleuthero tincture but I notice little effect from that; will continue with that until I finish the current batch (in 1-2 months). > All I felt was loads of diareah? I did not have that problem at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Buhner doesn't make that distinction in terms of efficacy (for the ones I'm using--Knotweed & Cat's Claw) and he has done a lot of research. I just don't have the patience to grind or fill capsules. [ ] Re: Dried Herbs/Cut & Sifted > > What's the difference between making tinctures and decoctions with cut & sifted herbs? I got instructions from 1st Chinese how to make decoctions with knotweed (1 cup herb, 4 cups water, boil gently until reduced by half). decoctions use heat, not all components of the herb will be heat stable. Tinctures use alcohol or glycerine (or maybe other solutions) to extract over a long time at room temperature. They extract other components compared to using heated water. My guess is that usually tinctures retain more of the herb properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 > > > Buhner doesn't make that distinction in terms of efficacy (for the ones I'm using--Knotweed & Cat's Claw) and he has done a lot of research. I just don't have the patience to grind or fill capsules. For catsclaw I'm pretty sure the extraction procedure makes a difference. Maybe the variations due to the extraction procedure are small compared to natural variations that occur depending on origin, when herbs are harvested, storage/handling before it reaches the consumer etc. I think nobody has really checked, it isn't very 'scientific' like with allopatic drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Knotweed, Different constitutions......Happy for you... JR [ ] Re: Dried Herbs/Cut & Sifted > > Does Eleuthero help? yes, I had improvement of my fatigue. But I only used if for one month, as it is pretty expensive at higher dose. I'm now using my own Eleuthero tincture but I notice little effect from that; will continue with that until I finish the current batch (in 1-2 months). > All I felt was loads of diareah? I did not have that problem at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Can you tell me about catsclaw. What it's for and how much to take If I were to buy the capsules? Thanks, Dixie On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Buhner doesn't make that distinction in terms of efficacy (for the ones > I'm using--Knotweed & Cat's Claw) and he has done a lot of research. I just > don't have the patience to grind or fill capsules. > > For catsclaw I'm pretty sure the extraction procedure makes a difference. > Maybe the variations due to the extraction procedure are small compared to > natural variations that occur depending on origin, when herbs are harvested, > storage/handling before it reaches the consumer etc. I think nobody has > really checked, it isn't very 'scientific' like with allopatic drugs. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 > > Can you tell me about catsclaw. > What it's for and how much to take If I were to buy the capsules? I really recommend to read the Buhner book first before starting; he has detailed instructions and it is not possible to sum it up in a few sentences. catsclaw stimulates/modulates the immune system. It is often called a 'natural antibiotic' but IMHO that is wrong. It only 'kills' by activating our own defenses. Many lymies have immune issues, so catsclaw can be important to correct that. If you use standard 500 mg capsules, you have to build up from 4x1 capsules a day tot 4x4 capsules a day (that is four capsules or 2 gram, four times a day for a total of 8 grams per day). Most people take 1-2 months to build up to the maximum dose of 4x4, and you have to maintain this full dose for at least 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I know this is a dumb question, but cat's claw isn't samento is it? Wow 4 capsules 4 times per day, that seems like alot, especially for a person who has trouble taking pills. But it sounds like a good thing to take to help rebuild the immune system. I just can't read another book, especially cuz I don't think I would use that total protocol. Just trying to do the best we can with using as few of the best things we can. Thank you so much, your information is so appreciated. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:13 AM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me about catsclaw. > > What it's for and how much to take If I were to buy the capsules? > > I really recommend to read the Buhner book first before starting; he has > detailed instructions and it is not possible to sum it up in a few > sentences. > > catsclaw stimulates/modulates the immune system. It is often called a > 'natural antibiotic' but IMHO that is wrong. It only 'kills' by activating > our own defenses. Many lymies have immune issues, so catsclaw can be > important to correct that. > > If you use standard 500 mg capsules, you have to build up from 4x1 capsules > a day tot 4x4 capsules a day (that is four capsules or 2 gram, four times a > day for a total of 8 grams per day). Most people take 1-2 months to build up > to the maximum dose of 4x4, and you have to maintain this full dose for at > least 2 months. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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