Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I take Samento myself. It's slightly better than Solgar's standardised cat's claw as an immune enhancer but not as good an antioxidant. Overhyped, I would say. Rob Samento I have been told by a guy here in the UK who is well respected in the alternative medicine community and is an ex scientist that Samento is only an anti-viral product and not anti-bacterial. In the study quoted it was only 1 of 9 other interventions used against borrelia. He has been using it with about 20 patients for the past 3 months and has said the results are very disappointing so far. He says that it helps to support a weak Immune system and nothing more. He even thinks that the Cats Claw wood (powder) used in other remedies might be superior. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hello Pam , Your looking at the wrong study. Here is the correct one. The cats claw used is special and you can't buy it. http://pub206.ezboard.com/fwalkinthelightfrm13.showMessage?topicID=25.topic > I have been told by a guy here in the UK who is well respected in > the alternative medicine community and is an ex scientist that > Samento is only an anti-viral product and not anti-bacterial. In > the study quoted it was only 1 of 9 other interventions used against > borrelia. > > He has been using it with about 20 patients for the past 3 months > and has said the results are very disappointing so far. He says > that it helps to support a weak Immune system and nothing more. He > even thinks that the Cats Claw wood (powder) used in other remedies > might be superior. > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 You can buy it from Nutrimedix. Allergy Research's is good too. At rain-tree.com she has a good writeup on cat's claw and how the TOA free may not be better. > Hello Pam , > > Your looking at the wrong study. Here is the correct one. The cats claw > used is special and you can't buy it. > > > http://pub206.ezboard.com/fwalkinthelightfrm13.showMessage? topicID=25.topic > > > > > > I have been told by a guy here in the UK who is well respected in > > the alternative medicine community and is an ex scientist that > > Samento is only an anti-viral product and not anti-bacterial. In > > the study quoted it was only 1 of 9 other interventions used against > > borrelia. > > > > He has been using it with about 20 patients for the past 3 months > > and has said the results are very disappointing so far. He says > > that it helps to support a weak Immune system and nothing more. He > > even thinks that the Cats Claw wood (powder) used in other remedies > > might be superior. > > > > Pam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Here is the small mention of the study at the top of the file. The rest of the file has noting to do with the study .. To my knowledge this is the basis for all the semento/lyme discussion on the net and I would like to here of any relevant info. I assume other people are hungry for info also. The semento used in the study can be bought relatively cheap at http://www.nutramedix.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An 8-month pilot study was recently conducted with 28 patients suffering from Advanced Chronic Lyme borreliosis. All the patients tested positive for Lyme borreliosis utilizing the Western Blot blood test for Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria that causes Lymedisease. The control group was treated with antibiotics, and at the end of the study, from 14 patients in the group, 3 improved slightly, 3 got worse and the rest remained with no change in their clinical condition. The experimental group was treated with Samento (Pentacyclic Alkaloid Chemotype Uncaria tomentosa). At the end of the study 85% of the patients in this group tested negative for Borrelia burgdorferi, and all the patients experienced a dramatic improvement in their clinical condition. A full report will be available soon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/nutranews/nutranews1003_low.pdf the file is acrobat reader format http://www.nutramedix.com/sampage.html samento products > You can buy it from Nutrimedix. > Allergy Research's is good too. > At rain-tree.com she has a good writeup on cat's claw and how the TOA > free may not be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 > > Here is the small mention of the study at the top of the file. The rest of the file has noting to do with the study .. To my knowledge this is the basis for all the semento/lyme discussion on the net and I would like to here of any relevant info. I assume other people are hungry for info also. The semento used in the study can be bought relatively cheap at http://www.nutramedix.com/ > Hi Bob This is the exact study the UK guy was talking about. He knew about it and mentioned that in fact there were 9 other interventions. It wasn't just the TOA Cats Claw being used. He feels that it is being hyped up in order to sell the product. As previously mentioned he is an ex-scientist and says it is not anti-bacterial just anti-viral so how could it kill bacteria like borrelia? Also it is the TOA Cats Claw that he has been using on 20 or so of his patients and so far the results are very disappointing. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 It seems likely to me it is also antibacterial, the alkaloids in it, if they suppress viruses, probably also suppress other pathogens. Whether or not it is very useful in lyme we'll know soon as many lymies are now taking various versions of it. I'm not. I tried the drops but I don't react well to them they make me jittery and revved up and I dislike that feeling. I'm not sure what the British doc is using it for, what patients. This is too much hearsay in both situations. I agree the Cowden study could have been better detailed, it was a pilot study and I suppose somewhat individualized for each person. There were probably dietary changes. Some of it was also homeopathic, and some believe that's just a placebo intervention while others think homeopathy is valid. Recently they added in ozone saunas. Joan Vandergriff is overseeing much of it and I believe her son had lyme and samento worked for him. Its probably idividual. Maybe it boosts immunity in some people and lets them overcome the infection. Usually no herb is a single bullet in chronic illness. > > > > Here is the small mention of the study at the top of the file. > The rest of the file has noting to do with the study .. To my > knowledge this is the basis for all the semento/lyme discussion on > the net and I would like to here of any relevant info. I assume > other people are hungry for info also. The semento used in the > study can be bought relatively cheap at http://www.nutramedix.com/ > > > Hi Bob > > This is the exact study the UK guy was talking about. He knew about > it and mentioned that in fact there were 9 other interventions. It > wasn't just the TOA Cats Claw being used. He feels that it is being > hyped up in order to sell the product. As previously mentioned he > is an ex-scientist and says it is not anti-bacterial just anti- viral > so how could it kill bacteria like borrelia? > > Also it is the TOA Cats Claw that he has been using on 20 or so of > his patients and so far the results are very disappointing. > Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Hi Pam, I does seem like http://www.nutramedix.com/ took a March 2003 study (below) and changed it for fun and profit. But amazing results for lyme anyway. http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf This page seems to be the best link for clinical samento research http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/science.html > > Hi Bob > > This is the exact study the UK guy was talking about. He knew about > it and mentioned that in fact there were 9 other interventions. It > wasn't just the TOA Cats Claw being used. He feels that it is being > hyped up in order to sell the product. As previously mentioned he > is an ex-scientist and says it is not anti-bacterial just anti-viral > so how could it kill bacteria like borrelia? > > Also it is the TOA Cats Claw that he has been using on 20 or so of > his patients and so far the results are very disappointing. > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 > Hi Pam, > > > I does seem like http://www.nutramedix.com/ took a March 2003 study (below) > and changed it for fun and profit. > > But amazing results for lyme anyway. > http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf > > > This page seems to be the best link for clinical samento research > http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/science.html > Thanks Bob, when I get a little more time I will certainly read through them. Its great the way we can all share information and learn from it. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 On or about Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:56 AM [GMT+1=CET], Sheila <squirrel.studio@...> sprinkled letters on the page, saying: > According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot > study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. All tested > positive utilizing the Western Blot blood test for Borrelia > burgdorferi, the bacteria that causes Lyme disease. The control > group was treated with antibiotics, and from 14 patients, 3 improved > slightly, 3 got worse and the rest remained with no change in their > clinical condition. The experimental group was treated with Samento > (Pentacyclic Alkaloid Chemotype Uncaria tomentosa). At the end of > the study 85% of the patients in this group tested negative for > Borrelia burgdorferi, and all the patients experienced a dramatic > improvement in their clinical condition. Is it not true that anyone who is treated with aggressive antibiotics (short or long-term) at the onset of a spirochaetal infection runs the 'risk' of negative results for Lyme etc. at a later stage? Kezzi. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Allergy Research Group's " Prima Una de Gato " is for all intense purposes the same thing as Samanto. In fact, I suspect they are both from the same source, because I bought a bottle of Allergy Research Group's Prima Una de Gato from Sue Massie, and a bottle of NutraMedix's Samanto from Royal Rife, and the type of bottle is identical, the lot number is identical, and the expiration date is identical. The odds of two companies having the exact same numbering system for their lot numbers is pretty odd. They both state on the label that they are guaranteed to be 100% free of TOA's. They both claim to be standardized to contain a minimum of 0.5% POA's. The only difference that I can find between the two is that Samanto says it has 2% alcohol, and Prima Una de Gato has 20-25% alcohol. So for people with alcohol intolerance, I would think the NutraMedix's Samanto would be a better choice. But I don't know about their capsuled TOA-free Cat's Claw. The liquid is much cheaper, but my understanding is that the capsules were what was used in the research, so I don't know if the liquid will work as well. They say it will, but...who knows. I'm using the liquid because I can't afford the capsules. lindaj@... Samento > " What kind of samento are you on--Allergy Research? " > > Hi Jill, > > I am taking NutraMedix Samento Extract which is manufactured in Jupiter, Florida. Unlike traditional Cat's Claw products this chemotype does not contain a group of chemical antagonists called tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs) that act upon the central nervous system and can greatly inhibit the positive effect of the pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs). Samento contains a standardised amount of POAs that primarily affect the immune system modulating properties. According to research conducted in Austria, traditional Cat's Claw products may contain as much as 80% TOAs and as little as 1% TOAs can cause a 30% reduction in immune system modulating properties that POAs provide. > > According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. All tested positive utilizing the Western Blot blood test for Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria that causes Lyme disease. The control group was treated with antibiotics, and from 14 patients, 3 improved slightly, 3 got worse and the rest remained with no change in their clinical condition. The experimental group was treated with Samento (Pentacyclic Alkaloid Chemotype Uncaria tomentosa). At the end of the study 85% of the patients in this group tested negative for Borrelia burgdorferi, and all the patients experienced a dramatic improvement in their clinical condition. > > I have tested positive for Borrelia - not Burgdoferi - but the treatment is apparently exactly the same for all Borrelia bacteria. Hope this helps. > > Sheila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 The liquid is much cheaper, but my understanding is that the capsules were what was used in the research, so I don't know if the liquid will work as well. They say it will, but...who knows. I'm using the liquid because I can't afford the capsules. Hi I was muscle tested for the Samento and the capsules would have done absolutely nothing for me whereas the new liquid one appeared to be excellent. Of course only time will tell. I am on day 5 of the Samento at the moment and taking 4 drops x 3. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 QUOTE: According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. If you look at the true original study you may see things differently than nutranews http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 > QUOTE: > According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. > > > > If you look at the true original study you may see things differently than nutranews > http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf > Hi Bob This was pointed out to me too by an educated guy over here who is rather suspicious of their claims. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Vague and sloppy study, unfortunately. Nelly http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 On or about Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:32 PM [GMT+1=CET], Bob Joy <BobJoy@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying: > QUOTE: > According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot > study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. > > If you look at the true original study you may see things differently > than nutranews > http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf Hi, I tracked the article to: http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/nutranews/nutranews1003_low.pdf Could you explain what you mean? Regards, Kezzi. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 > > QUOTE: > > According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot > > study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/nutranews/nutranews1003_low.pdf > > > > If you look at the true original study you may see things differently > > than nutranews > > http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf > Comparing the nutranews/nutramedix interpretation , western blot was never mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Nutranews never mentioned the 20 methods and protocols mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Of which samento was one of twelve protocols used in the study. Nutranews seems to have added and deleted important information which makes their product look great. It may have been the laser detoxification which cured all the patients. But since I have absolutely no idea what laser detoxification is , I shouldn't assume something like that. Maybe it was the praying while laughing. I said this to illustrate a point that it is not a samento study. It is a much bigger study than simply testing samento. They could have added bubble gum as the 13th protocol and claimed bubble gum cured lyme disease. The only reason I'm paying any attention to this is because of the extremely high success rate that can't be beat in any other clinical lyme study. It literally is to good to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 They did use the TOA free cat's claw (I spoke with Dr. Cowden). One person in the study posted on lymenet and is much improved and said that all improved. Of course that is subjective. Samento is not a miracle herb--I too get frustrated when the new miracle cures come along. Any comlpex illness like chronic lyme or cfids needs multiple approaches to heal. Herbs can be part of that. Some people react to samento--I do. I get jittery. Others get insomnia. So I don't like the herb too much. Cowden et al were known back in the 80s for working with AIDS patietns and perhaps gettign shall we say overexcited about their results. I think they do good work but they broadcast it as bigger and better than it is. There is an element of braggadocio and perhaps wanting to make $ that is involved. Nonetheless the approaches they tried in this pilot study were reasonable and good and people do say they improved. > > > > > > > > QUOTE: > > > According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot > > > study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/nutranews/nutranews1003_low.pdf > > > > > > If you look at the true original study you may see things differently > > > than nutranews > > > http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf > > > > Comparing the nutranews/nutramedix interpretation , western blot was never mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Nutranews never mentioned the 20 methods and protocols mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Of which samento was one of twelve protocols used in the study. Nutranews seems to have added and deleted important information which makes their product look great. > > It may have been the laser detoxification which cured all the patients. But since I have absolutely no idea what laser detoxification is , I shouldn't assume something like that. Maybe it was the praying while laughing. I said this to illustrate a point that it is not a samento study. It is a much bigger study than simply testing samento. They could have added bubble gum as the 13th protocol and claimed bubble gum cured lyme disease. > > > The only reason I'm paying any attention to this is because of the extremely high success rate that can't be beat in any other clinical lyme study. It literally is to good to be true. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Hi Jill, >> Nonetheless the approaches they tried in this pilot study were reasonable and good This one sentence has been bothering me. Looking at the methods and protocols I feel lost. I have no idea what half the terms mean(evaluating biological terrain). 1/4 are vague(vitamins and minerals). 1/4 make no sense (light beam generator). I would be great if someone explained each one. Was the DF mic used for diagnosis ? What exactly were the vitamins and minerals ? Potassium versus chromium is a major difference. What exactly were the enzymes ? I see a lot of blank info. here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 My doctor and naturopath worked with Cowden in this study. My doctor provided the lyme patients for participating in this study. The initial study was done with Samento capsules. They used so many... products along with Samento. Supplements to maintain the ph of saliva, urine. A lot of supplements to alleviate the herx. Then cowden personalized the protocol by doing energy testing on each individual and adding things to control the parasites (artemisia) and several other things. They did bioresonance treatment for mercury and other heavy metals. Recently they tried to do a study with liquid Samento and just a few other supplements to control the herx. Gayathri. --- In , " Bob Joy " <BobJoy@s...> > Comparing the nutranews/nutramedix interpretation , western blot was never mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Nutranews never mentioned the 20 methods and protocols mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Of which samento was one of twelve protocols used in the study. Nutranews seems to have added and deleted important information which makes their product look great. > > It may have been the laser detoxification which cured all the patients. But since I have absolutely no idea what laser detoxification is , I shouldn't assume something like that. Maybe it was the praying while laughing. I said this to illustrate a point that it is not a samento study. It is a much bigger study than simply testing samento. They could have added bubble gum as the 13th protocol and claimed bubble gum cured lyme disease. > > > The only reason I'm paying any attention to this is because of the extremely high success rate that can't be beat in any other clinical lyme study. It literally is to good to be true. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Hi Bob, I suggest you track down the researchers, or Joan Vandergriff (sp?) who apparently oversaw the study most closely. That's what I do when I have questions--get the researchers to talk with me. > Hi Jill, > > >> Nonetheless the approaches they tried in this pilot study were reasonable and good > > This one sentence has been bothering me. Looking at the methods and protocols I feel lost. I have no idea what half the terms mean (evaluating biological terrain). 1/4 are vague(vitamins and minerals). 1/4 make no sense (light beam generator). > > I would be great if someone explained each one. Was the DF mic used for diagnosis ? What exactly were the vitamins and minerals ? Potassium versus chromium is a major difference. What exactly were the enzymes ? > > I see a lot of blank info. here. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 On or about Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:39 PM [GMT+1=CET], Bob Joy <BobJoy@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying: >>> QUOTE: >>> According to NutraNews (October 2003) - there was an 8 month pilot >>> study with 28 patients suffering from Lyme borreliosis. >>> http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/nutranews/nutranews1003_low.pdf >>> >>> If you look at the true original study you may see things >>> differently than nutranews >>> http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/sarticles/toaf_lymesdisease.pdf >> > > Comparing the nutranews/nutramedix interpretation , western blot was > never mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Nutranews never mentioned > the 20 methods and protocols mentioned in Dr. Cowden's report. Of > which samento was one of twelve protocols used in the study. > Nutranews seems to have added and deleted important information which > makes their product look great. > > It may have been the laser detoxification which cured all the > patients. But since I have absolutely no idea what laser > detoxification is , I shouldn't assume something like that. Maybe > it was the praying while laughing. I said this to illustrate a > point that it is not a samento study. It is a much bigger study > than simply testing samento. They could have added bubble gum as > the 13th protocol and claimed bubble gum cured lyme disease. > > The only reason I'm paying any attention to this is because of the > extremely high success rate that can't be beat in any other clinical > lyme study. It literally is to good to be true. Thanks for clarifying that, Bob. Regards, Kezzi. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 On or about Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:38 AM [GMT+1=CET], Ted Shaw <tedshaw@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying: > Greetings - > > I've just ordered Samento extract and am wondering if anyone has > actually received any benefits from taking this. Many on the list > have recently described the problems and side-effects of taking > Samento, but few have spoken about positive effects. > I'm a long-term sufferer of CFS and so far the tests for Lyme (both > PCR and blood serology) have shown nothing. > Please - what sort of benefits (if any) might I look forward to? > Has this drug done anyone any good? > Any info greatly appreciated. > Cheers for now, > Ted Shaw For me (now on day 80) the positive effects have been (in no particular order of importance): Returned libido Greatly reduced pain and the non-necessity of pain relief since Day 2 Reduced myalgia Reduced fasciculations Reduced RLS (restless legs) More energy Better concentration Reduced 'brain-fog' Reduced irritability No more panic attacks Reduced appetite (a boon as I put on too much weight due to inactivity after my MIs) Reduced hyperaesthesia and paraesthesia Kezzi. . . . Cumbria, UK Aurora borreliosis - the Northern Light!! http://www.topica.com/lists/lymeuk http://gbs.ukweb.nu/ http://tinyurl.co.uk/8ebv The Samento Diaries - input your symptoms: http://tinyurl.co.uk/9aa4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 I've had wonderful benefits from Samento. The only side effects that I had was that the initial dose on the very first day (1/2 drop) caused a hallucination. That was my one negative reaction. But I used it in conjunction with Lyme Nosode that I was still getting used to, and a Lyme Transfer Factor. I was still in the process of increasing the dose of the Lyme Nosode (which I still can't tolerate at full dose), and I happened to raise the dose of the Lyme Nosode that same day to it's highest level (I've had to back down from the Lyme Nosode because of side effects with it) so I'm not sure it was the Samento that was the problem. I dropped the Lyme Nosode after that for a while, and haven't had problems since. I've recently reintroduced the Lyme Nosode, and I'm slowly increasing the dose again, and this time I've only had minimal reaction to it. But so far I haven't raised the dose to back what it was before. But Samento hasn't caused any problems since that initial dose. Otherwise, I have had wonderful improvement on Samento. I have less joint pain, less neuropathy in my feet, improved sleep, my acne has cleared up, I feel much more calm on it, as though it were an anti-anxiety/antidepressant. In effect, I seem to be having the benefits that it has been reported to have, without any of the side effects that other people are reporting. That is something in itself, since I am generally very intolerant of most things, and it has been a real struggle to find supplements that work for me. And I've rarely been able to find medications that I could tolerate. Since starting the Samento, I've been able to tolerate undenatured whey finally. I've never been able to tolerate taking it for more than a few days at a time, at small doses, because I'd begin feeling very wired and nervous, and my panic attacks would increase, which probably means I was having a build-up of cysteine, rather than converting it to glutithione. But since starting the Samento, I've been able to add undenatured whey back in, and I haven't reacted negatively to it. I muscle tested myself before trying Samento and tested weak to it, so I did a self-BioSET treatment on myself, and I am assuming that's one reason why I've tolerated it so well. Samento has been responsible for changing me from a slow downward spiral to having an upward trend, though I backslid after having the flu. But I'm finally getting back on track again. I've been diagnosed with Lyme, and I also have a chronic staphylococcus aureus/klebsiella/pseudomonas aruginosa infection in my intestinal tract and sinuses. The staph infection is the primary infection in my sinuses, but it and the klebsiella infection don't seem to be responding to the Samento yet. (It primarily causes sinus problems and contributes to IBS attacks in me, which haven't improved since starting Samento) But then they're in my sinuses and intestinal tract, and I believe that I have biofilms of them that are difficult to reach and are outside the reach of my immune system and are not in direct contact with the Samento, which gets absorbed in a different part of the intestinal tract. I have not had testing for tickborne co-infections, but I have symptoms that might indicate that I do. (Abnormally small red blood cells and low red blood cell count, night sweats, low white blood count with an abnormally elevated monocyte count, etc.) I had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever when I was 5, and have had numerous other tick bites, including ticks from states with a high Lyme rate. And I've had two bulls-eye rashes. So there's a good chance that I have co-infections. I've also been sick for many years, and have been diagnosed with EBV and HHV6a. I probably have more infections going on, because I've been sick for more than 28 years, and the longer you're sick, the more likely you are to have opportunistic infections develop, like mycoplasma's. But I have not been able to find a doctor that wants to run pathogen testing, and my insurance doesn't cover it, which means that I currently can't afford it anyway. The transfer factor that I take covers the EBV and HHV6 as well as Lyme, and several other tick-borne infections. I probably need to be on antibiotics long term in addition to everything else that I'm doing, but so far I haven't been able to find a doctor who would prescribe long-term antibiotics, and I can't afford to travel the distance necessary to see an LLMD. There are none in my state. I've reached my limits financially, and the Samento was kind of a last ditch effort that I tried to squeeze in. But I think I've put it at the top of my priority list now, and I'll keep trying to find a way to keep affording it. I have to say that I have been doing detoxification things for many years, which is highly recommended before starting Samento. I've been on an anticandida diet for decades, taken anti-parasite supplements for years, I take psyllium regularly, have used bentonite and other detoxification things, and I've been doing FIR sauna's. And that may also be why I haven't had the negative reactions that so many others have reported. I've been under the care of a naturopath for the last 4 years, and she has done a lot of detoxification work on me. I have also been on Cholestyramine for a couple months earlier in the year, before I started on the Samento, and I've been using Beta Sitosterol and a number of other supplements for detoxification, throughout the time that I've been on Samento. According to what other knowledgeable people have reported, detoxification is a key thing to helping avoid side effects. And it seems that so many people just dive into taking it, without any previous detoxification work, or with insufficient detoxification work. I haven't added phosphatidyl choline to help repair cellular damage from the neurotoxins, and which is also supposed to help improve detoxification. There was a recent article in Life Extension magazine about it's ability to improve liver health. I'd like to try it but I don't have a doctor willing to do IV's, and I can't afford the oral supplements at this time, without dropping other things that I'm taking. I need to work on bile flow and thyroid issues, and the IBS and sinus infections. And I still have a great deal of fatigue. But the chronic pain that I've had for years is significantly reduced, and if reduction of pain was the only benefit I got from it, that would be enough for me to continue using it. lindaj@... Samento > Greetings - > > I've just ordered Samento extract and am wondering if anyone has actually received any benefits from taking this. Many on the list have recently described the problems and side-effects of taking Samento, but few have spoken about positive effects. > > I'm a long-term sufferer of CFS and so far the tests for Lyme (both PCR and blood serology) have shown nothing. > > Please - what sort of benefits (if any) might I look forward to? > > Has this drug done anyone any good? > > Any info greatly appreciated. > > Cheers for now, > > Ted Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 > Hi Pam, > > > I have been taking TOA free Samento > > What does TOA stand for? > > Sue B., > Upstate New York HI Sue TOA stands for tetracyclic oxindole chemical antagonists which work on the central nervous system and inhibit the effect of the specific Cats Claw used in the Nutramedix liquid Samento. It means that this Samento does not contain these compounds which makes it many times more effective than simple Cats Claw. Further info, www.samento.com.ec/nutranews/story011.html Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 I did a search in the archives for Samento, but came up with " no results. " I recall something about Samento diaries in regard to reports on how people were doing by using this herb. I was wondering if someone could direct me to the web site to see the results of people using this product. <ME-CFS-FMS_infections > <EuroLyme> <http://samento-faq.eu.kz/> Try these links Regards jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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