samento

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I know many of Dr. 's patients use Samento and have heard several

praises for it. Some get scared about it b/c of synthetic quinolone abx which

have caused tendon damage, but it remains unproven whether or not Samento can

cause the same damage. I know I'd certainly trust taking Samento over a

synthetic quinolone any day.

In a message dated 10/7/2004 7:53:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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Hello,

I did a search in the archives for Samento, but came up with " no results. " I

recall something about Samento diaries in regard to reports on how people

were

doing by using this herb. I was wondering if someone could direct me to the

web site to see the results of people using this product. Or, if anyone is

using Samento now, I would appreciate any feedback. I understand it is an

immune modulator that is useful for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis.

[Guest guest]

HI,

Yes, I am using the Cat's Claw Complex by Medi-Herb, Standard Process from

Austraila. I got it through my doctor, chiropractor. It is only sold thru

distributors. I took one pill a day got a hell of a herx......now taking it

MWF on docs advice. The bottle says you can take up to 4, he said it is too

much for my immune system. It seems to be helping. I am finally feeling

better. The one I take has each batch tested before it becomes a pill and

thten the pills are tested. I feel comfortable taking it.

Connie, Michigan

GOOD GOSH, HOW CAN WE CHANGE THIS PRINT.......I CAN HARDLY SEE IT

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standard proccess is that better then nutramedics?

I woory about standard procees as it still uses bovine

in alot of its products.

eric

--- Connie Siese <Cslyme@...> wrote:

> HI,

> Yes, I am using the Cat's Claw Complex by Medi-Herb,

> Standard Process from

> Austraila. I got it through my doctor,

> chiropractor. It is only sold thru

> distributors. I took one pill a day got a hell of a

> herx......now taking it

> MWF on docs advice. The bottle says you can take up

> to 4, he said it is too

> much for my immune system. It seems to be helping.

> I am finally feeling

> better. The one I take has each batch tested before

> it becomes a pill and

> thten the pills are tested. I feel comfortable

> taking it.

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> Connie, Michigan

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> HARDLY SEE IT

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eric,

I use Samento from Nutrimedix. You can read about the studies and the

comparisons of drops versus capsules as the Nutrimedix website. They

sell iy on the website, but I get it from my MD. The literature says

that the liquid drops are much stronger.

I love the stuff.

Cactus

> > HI,

> > Yes, I am using the Cat's Claw Complex by Medi-Herb,

> > Standard Process from

> > Austraila. I got it through my doctor,

> > chiropractor. It is only sold thru

> > distributors. I took one pill a day got a hell of a

> > herx......now taking it

> > MWF on docs advice. The bottle says you can take up

> > to 4, he said it is too

> > much for my immune system. It seems to be helping.

> > I am finally feeling

> > better. The one I take has each batch tested before

> > it becomes a pill and

> > thten the pills are tested. I feel comfortable

> > taking it.

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> > Connie, Michigan

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> > GOOD GOSH, HOW CAN WE CHANGE THIS PRINT.......I CAN

> > HARDLY SEE IT

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> > where to get it?

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Hi ,

There are several species of Cat's Claw. Only the specific species

that is TOA-free will work with Lyme. The Samento brand is TOA-

free. You should go to the Samento and read the

section on the samento protocol and also the pilot studies done by

Dr. Romero.

Cactus.

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> what is the difference between samento and cats claw?

> eric

[Guest guest]

--- they can explain the difference in what is done to make it

samento from cat's claw.

I don't quite get it but the web site will explain.

Sandy

http://www.nutramedix.com/

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eric,

this is tthe one i feel comfortable with

connie, mi

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I do not know, but in the Townsend letter I believe he says Cats Claw

Connie, MI

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HI,

I USE THE MEDI HERB CATS CLAW COMPLEX. FROM AUSTRAILIA, IT IS MADE BY

STANDARD PROCESS. IT IS STRONG, SO YOU HAVE TO START REALLY SLOW, BUT IT IS

HELPING,

CONNIE, MICHIGAN

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> Hi ,

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> There are several species of Cat's Claw. Only the specific species

> that is TOA-free will work with Lyme. The Samento brand is TOA-

> free. You should go to the Samento and read the

> section on the samento protocol and also the pilot studies done by

> Dr. Romero.

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> Cactus.

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[Guest guest]

HELLO all, so about that cats claw/samento treatment, has anyone on this

list tried it? Feedback please. AND the info in that article was scary, but

explains alot of whats going on. AND if anyone has does the samento, where is

best to buy, is it cheap? and how much should u use for how long etc...

thanks, c in vt

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In a message dated 5/14/2005 10:29:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

FindItOnTheNet@... writes:

HELLO all, so about that cats claw/samento treatment, has anyone on this

list tried it? Feedback please. AND the info in that article was scary,

but

explains alot of whats going on. AND if anyone has does the samento, where

is

best to buy, is it cheap? and how much should u use for how long etc...

thanks, c in vt

Dear c in vt:

I have been using Samento or TOA FREE CAT'S CLAW for about a year and 1/2

now. It can be used either in capsule form or in liquid form. The capsule

form is pretty expensive, but the liquid form is relatively inexpensive. A one

once bottle can be bought for $40. (that is at least the last time I bought

it) and it will last for about 3 months.

You should start out with one drop in about 4 ounces of water and see if you

have a strong HERX. If not keep increasing your daily dosage by one drop up

to 6 drops per day. You only need to take it once a day. This can be very

powerful in it's effect on Lyme so be careful!

When you put in the drops wait about 3 or 4 minutes before drinking. I

don't believe it really makes much difference but my health care professional

recommends sipping the prepared drink. I usually take about 3 or 4 drinks to

finish off the 4 ounces. It does not need to be an exact measurement of the

water.

The TOA free cc can be obtained from _www.Nutricology.com_

(http://www.Nutricology.com) . Nutricology is the same company as Allergy

Research Group, but

only health professionals can buy direct from Allergy Research Group.

Nutricology will sell direct to anyone with the money.

Remember that only 6 drops are required of the Cat's Claw per day. More is

totally unnecessary. I have heard of some doctors recommending 21 drops per

day. Not necessary.

Remember that this is very powerful in it's effect on Lyme patients.

Depending on a persons degree of bacteria level it can cause so powerful a HERX

that you may feel you cannot take it even with the one drop.

Good luck and if you should need further information let me know!

Sidney G.

North Brunswick, NJ

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just ordered my first bottle (the extract). I paid 47.96 for it

and

if it works like they say it's worth it.

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In a message dated 5/15/2005 5:50:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Message: 15

Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 00:37:31 EDT

From: sgil749989@...

Subject: Re: Re:samento

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THANKS SIDNEY for your reply about samento! Very informative, I am

considering trying it. I am doing well on the doxy but I worry about what

happens

when the time comes to stop abx. THANKS again, c in vt

[Guest guest]

I took Samento at 80 drops/d as requested by DR. Romero the reasearcher. I

had no herx and no improvement. I do know others who can only tolerate a few

drops. Go figure! I think it is agood product and worth a try. Good luck.

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HELLO LINDA thanks for the LONG and detailed reply IN CAPS NOT SHOUTING just

so we know what my replies are! I save the ones with so much info so I can

reread etc..... I reply to a few below....

In a message dated 5/16/2005 6:51:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

******IMHO, Samento along will NOT do everything you want to achieve.

Samento is one of many many things in my protocol. Diet, is #1

priority.....get rid

of ALL sodas, diet and/or regular.....NO sugar, NO white things like flour,

rice, etc.,e tc., Get all processed foods out of your diet....NO fast

foods.....fresh steamed veggies in abundance and organic preferably. Fresh

fruits....No caffeine I drink TONS of herbal teas

I HAVE NOT USED SUGAR IN YEARS, TOSSED TABLE SALT YEARS AGO, CANNOT DRINK

SODAS (FOOD TESTING SHOWED CORN ALLERGY AND SODA IS CORN SYRUP) I SWITCHED TO

WHEAT PASTA AND HEALTHY BREADS AND TRIED TO CUT DOWN ON WHITE STUFF..... WE

RARELY EAT FAST FOODS OR JUNK, WE BUY NO JUNK FOOD, I AM GUILTY OF A FEW

FROZEN FOODS ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT WE TRY TO NOT USE ANY PROCESSED STUFF, WE

FOLLOW

THE RULE OF OUTSIDE ISLES ONLY IN THE SUPERMARKET! I WAS NEVER A GOOD FRUIT

EATER BUT I AM ADDING MORE GOOD STUFF TO THE DIET AS I GO, I DO HAVE AT

LEAST ONE CUP OF TEA A DAY, BUT RARELY FINISH IT. I MADE MOST OF THESE DIET

CHANGES ON MY OWN OVER THE YEARS AS A REACTION TO NOT FEELING WELL..... THEN

WHEN IT TURNED OUT TO BE LYME MAKING ME SO ILL, I READ ABOUT MOST OF WHAT YOU

ARE SAYING AND FIGURED SINCE I HAD DONE MOST OF THIS ALONG THE WAY

INSTINCTIVELY, THAT IS WHY I HUNG IN THERE SO LONG AND DID NOT CRASH SOONER.

*****You might want to join a group called lymestrategies

I HAVE BEEN LURKING.... LOL

Just

remember that DIET/NUTRITION is the most important thing when you begin your

wellness journey with lyme disease.

I AM TRYING!

THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE INFO AND REPLY! C IN VT

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In a message dated 5/15/2005 12:37:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sgil749989@... writes:

> A one

> once bottle can be bought for $40. (that is at least the last time I bought

>

> it) and it will last for about 3 months.

>

> You should start out with one drop in about 4 ounces of water and see if

> you

> have a strong HERX. If not keep increasing your daily dosage by one drop

> up

> to 6 drops per day. You only need to take it once a day. This can be very

>

> powerful in it's effect on Lyme so be careful!

>

> When you put in the drops wait about 3 or 4 minutes before drinking. I

> don't believe it really makes much difference but my health care

> professional

> recommends sipping the prepared drink.

Sidney-

EXCELLENT advice!!! This is exactly how to take Samento. Just to let you all

know... it is still $40 since I sold the bottle to Sidney. The capsules are

not as effective at all... the liquid is alot less $$ and alot better. The key

is to detox the body, cleanse, nourish and rebuild.. THEN take Samento.

Blessings-

sue massie, CNHP

732 933-4011

[Guest guest]

I took 80 drops a day with no herx and no relief on lyme that caused severe

scalp fibrosis and muscle spasms and circualtory issues.

[Guest guest]

:

Your plan sounds fabulous. Just keep doing what you are doing for now.

These things also work over time, as in lots since our kids are full of lots.

So give it some time, and follow your plan. It looks wonderful. I think you

will find all kinds of good things will happen. We have been on Samento and

Cumanda a couple of months, and many symptoms have left and are continuing to

leave.

Heidi N

Hi All,

I am a new member to the group. My 11 yr old son regressen into autism after

his 12 month vaccines. We have been on the biomed journey for 9 yrs.We have

been chelating for over 6 yrs. We tested him thru IGENEX last year and he had

bands 41, 45 and 58 positive. Bands 31 and 39 were indeterminate.

We just started treating him with SAMENTO from Nutrimedix. We quickly worked

up to 60 drops per day and just added Cumanda at 30 drops per day. We gave

burbur a few times when he got grouchy and things got better quickly. We plan

to keep the SAMENTO on board and rotate the cumanda with quina every two

weeks. I also ordered Carnivora to add to the mix.

We have had a very definite noticeable increase in language and thinking the

pst week. Of course, we are thrilled. I am trying to figure out a good

protocol and any tips would be reatly appreciated. I am in the proces of

ordering

books to gather info. If you respond to the Samento and othe nutrimedix

products should you also try the VIT C/ Salt protocol. I do realize this will

be a

long process. We ar also going to continue our weekly IV chelation.

Thanks!

**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,

plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.

(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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,

If you're still around here, can you tell me a little bit more about the

Samento. I'm just trying to figure out the dosage that might be best for us. I

think they say to start with 15 drops daily and can go as high as 30 drops.

We're at that upper dosage now and have herxed quite a bit but feel we need

more. How or why did you determine to go as high as 60 drops?

Thanks

Barb

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Your plan sounds fabulous. Just keep doing what you are doing for now.

These things also work over time, as in lots since our kids are full of lots.

So give it some time, and follow your plan. It looks wonderful. I think you

will find all kinds of good things will happen. We have been on Samento and

Cumanda a couple of months, and many symptoms have left and are continuing to

leave.

Heidi N

[Guest guest]

>

> I know this is a dumb question, but cat's claw isn't samento is it?

samento is a liquid extract, made from catsclaw.

> Wow 4 capsules 4 times per day, that seems like alot, especially for a

> person

> who has trouble taking pills.

that's where samento has an obvious advantage: it is a liquid.

> But it sounds like a good thing to take to help rebuild the immune system.

> I just can't read another book, especially cuz I don't think I would use

> that

> total protocol.

catsclaw is used in most of the 'natural' lyme protocols.

There is a lot of hype regarding Samento, especially after the recent, widely

publicised, article from Eva Sapi about 'killing' Borrelia and Bb cysts with

Samento + Banderol. IMHO it is a lot of hype, and the producer Nutramedix is a

company that is a bit too eager in organising this kind of publicity.

Samento is not better than catsclaw bark or powder(in fact Buhner thinks it may

be a bit less effective for Lyme treatment), just more convenient. It is also

way more expensive (like 10-50x for the same effective dose).

[Guest guest]

Could samento be causing my stomach pain?

I already had a delicate stomach

But this week started wi samento,astragalus n echinacea tinctures

N migraines horendous then actualy feel.stomach spasm

Hasnt been as painful for long time

Takin zantac ant acid

Will start on slipery elm tabs again

May need get omepazarole ulcur meds from doc again as pain goin thru to my back

Stoped takin astragalus n echinacea

N drop samento to twice daily

Nine drops at mo twice day

But concerned wont even.b able to take that

Let alone the doxy!:-(

Dont think doxy a option now wi how my body plays up

Oh im fed up!:-(

C

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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 18:09 PST Aandraya wrote:

>Yes you can take them together

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>On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

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>> Never took either. I'm on amoxicillin & zythromax.

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>> Check/google about the diabetes. Maybe ask a pharmacist to be sure they're

safe for you.

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>> On Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM, " true4free " <no_reply > wrote:

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>> What dosage on the doxy, and can you take it at the same time as the

itraconazole?Thanks!

>> (and any issues to look out for if you are T2 Diabetic?)

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Maybe the lyme spirochetes are in your stomach and it's a herx?

On Jan 21, 2012 9:05 AM, " Sad Girl " <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

 

Could samento be causing my stomach pain?

I already had a delicate stomach

But this week started wi samento,astragalus n echinacea tinctures

N migraines horendous then actualy feel.stomach spasm

Hasnt been as painful for long time

Takin zantac ant acid

Will start on slipery elm tabs again

May need get omepazarole ulcur meds from doc again as pain goin thru to my back

Stoped takin astragalus n echinacea

N drop samento to twice daily

Nine drops at mo twice day

But concerned wont even.b able to take that

Let alone the doxy!:-(

Dont think doxy a option now wi how my body plays up

Oh im fed up!:-(

C

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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 18:09 PST Aandraya wrote:

>Yes you can take them together

>As

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>On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

>

>> Never took either. I'm on amoxicillin & zythromax.

>>

>> Check/google about the diabetes. Maybe ask a pharmacist to be sure they're safe for you.

>>

>> On Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM, " true4free " <no_reply > wrote:

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>> What dosage on the doxy, and can you take it at the same time as the itraconazole?Thanks!

>> (and any issues to look out for if you are T2 Diabetic?)

>>

>>

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I took samento for a long time but i don't remember if it bothered my stomach. Artemisinin was hard on the stomach. That I do remember because my doctor had me on such high level of it. So sorry this is causing you problems C. I have had the type of stomach pain you are describing that goes through to the back. I always thought it was esophageal reflux. The only thing I can do when that happens is to lie down on my back flat so let it relax again. Anyone else have that?From: "Sad Girl" <wherearetheangels@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:05:04 AMSubject: Re:samentoCould samento be causing my stomach pain?I already had a delicate stomachBut this week started wi samento,astragalus n echinacea tinctures N migraines horendous then actualy feel.stomach spasmHasnt been as painful for long timeTakin zantac ant acidWill start on slipery elm tabs againMay need get omepazarole ulcur meds from doc again as pain goin thru to my backStoped takin astragalus n echinaceaN drop samento to twice daily Nine drops at mo twice day But concerned wont even.b able to take thatLet alone the doxy!:-(Dont think doxy a option now wi how my body plays upOh im fed up!:-(C------------------------------On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 18:09 PST Aandraya wrote:>Yes you can take them together>As>>>>On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:>>> Never took either. I'm on amoxicillin & zythromax.>> >> Check/google about the diabetes. Maybe ask a pharmacist to be sure they're safe for you.>> >> On Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM, "true4free" <no_reply > wrote:>> >> >> What dosage on the doxy, and can you take it at the same time as the itraconazole?Thanks!>> (and any issues to look out for if you are T2 Diabetic?)>> >> >> ------------------------------------

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Thanks lisa

I dont know but feel horrid

Not stoping the samento,but wonder if have take the omepazerole ulcur meds again

if it will stop the samento working!

Life eh

Why cant it be easy for a change?

C

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 06:35 PST Elissa wrote:

>Maybe the lyme spirochetes are in your stomach and it's a herx?

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>On Jan 21, 2012 9:05 AM, " Sad Girl " <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

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>Could samento be causing my stomach pain?

>I already had a delicate stomach

>But this week started wi samento,astragalus n echinacea tinctures

>N migraines horendous then actualy feel.stomach spasm

>Hasnt been as painful for long time

>Takin zantac ant acid

>Will start on slipery elm tabs again

>May need get omepazarole ulcur meds from doc again as pain goin thru to my

>back

>Stoped takin astragalus n echinacea

>N drop samento to twice daily

>Nine drops at mo twice day

>But concerned wont even.b able to take that

>Let alone the doxy!:-(

>Dont think doxy a option now wi how my body plays up

>Oh im fed up!:-(

>C

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>On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 18:09 PST Aandraya wrote:

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>>Yes you can take them together

>>As

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>>On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

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>> Never took either. I'm on amoxicillin & zythromax.

>>

>> Check/google about the diabetes. Maybe ask a pharmacist to be sure

>they're safe for you.

>>

>> On Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM, " true4free " <no_reply > wrote:

>>

>>

>> What dosage on the doxy, and can you take it at the same time as the

>itraconazole?Thanks!

>> (and any issues to look out for if you are T2 Diabetic?)

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

I mean elissa not lisa!

Typin error!

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 06:35 PST Elissa wrote:

>Maybe the lyme spirochetes are in your stomach and it's a herx?

>

>On Jan 21, 2012 9:05 AM, " Sad Girl " <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>**

>

>

>

>Could samento be causing my stomach pain?

>I already had a delicate stomach

>But this week started wi samento,astragalus n echinacea tinctures

>N migraines horendous then actualy feel.stomach spasm

>Hasnt been as painful for long time

>Takin zantac ant acid

>Will start on slipery elm tabs again

>May need get omepazarole ulcur meds from doc again as pain goin thru to my

>back

>Stoped takin astragalus n echinacea

>N drop samento to twice daily

>Nine drops at mo twice day

>But concerned wont even.b able to take that

>Let alone the doxy!:-(

>Dont think doxy a option now wi how my body plays up

>Oh im fed up!:-(

>C

>

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>On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 18:09 PST Aandraya wrote:

>

>>Yes you can take them together

>>As

>>

>>

>>

>>On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Elissa <elissarachel@...> wrote:

>>

>> Never took either. I'm on amoxicillin & zythromax.

>>

>> Check/google about the diabetes. Maybe ask a pharmacist to be sure

>they're safe for you.

>>

>> On Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM, " true4free " <no_reply > wrote:

>>

>>

>> What dosage on the doxy, and can you take it at the same time as the

>itraconazole?Thanks!

>> (and any issues to look out for if you are T2 Diabetic?)

>>

>>

>>

>

>