Re: Rife and Herbs

[Guest guest]

Sal:

I have never rifed and probably never will. I am satisfied with the herbs.

I do a little changing of the herbs, but very little. Mostly on the same

ones for over two years. I do not think Ketes become resistant to them. I am

off Cat's Claw for a few weeks now, but will go back on it sometime this year, I

imagine. I was out of Devil's Claw for a couple days this week and worry when I

run out of that one, as it is my BEST herb. Also was out of Resveratol And am

now out of Andropraphis. But I am still on the Stephania root so that should

take up the slack of the Andro.

I think you asked that question just recently.

Jim.

###

creekhopper@... wrote:

This has probably been asked before.. and I posted on the Lyme and

Rife list as well.

Can you rife with antimicrobial herbals or on the Buhner or Cowden protocols? Or

do you alternate completely separating antimicrobials from the rifing as in

's book?

I am on abx, but I don't think I can do it long term. I also like the idea of

herbs and their supportive nature for the body.

Lastly, do you all think (or know) if Bb and friends develop resistance to herbs

and how do those who do herbs protect against that? Combinations or changing

them out regularly? Thank you! Sal

[Guest guest]

Jim>>I have never rifed and probably never will. I am satisfied with the

herbs.>>

Do you have reasons not to rife other than satisfaction with herbs? I am fencing

several protocols here trying to figure this all out for myself.

>>I do a little changing of the herbs, but very little. Mostly on the same ones

for over two years. I do not think Ketes become resistant to them. I am off

Cat's Claw for a few weeks now, but will go back on it sometime this year, I

imagine. I was out of Devil's Claw for a couple days this week and worry when I

run out of that one, as it is my BEST herb. Also was out of Resveratol And am

now out of Andropraphis. But I am still on the Stephania root so that should

take up the slack of the Andro.>>

Oh. OK. So not a huge worry to switch them out on a schedule or herxes stop then

stop and switch a few weeks (or whatver the formula) when using abx. I can see

how the complex nature of the herbs could make them non-resistance. The abx

resistant thread was very informative, but I don't *think* I started it, if that

is what you are referring to below..... ?? Thank you tons Jim for answering my

questions. Sal

I think you asked that question just recently.

Jim.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sal,

I have just caught this thread and I noticed that you are taking a

very similar approach to me in tackling lyme. Plus I also have

Bartonella and Ehrlichia. I have been on the Buhner herbs for a few

months although I havent taken them consistently and I am waiting for

my rife machine to arrive within the next week and was hoping to

combine the two approaches. I really don't know whether you can though

as Rosner in his book Rife Machines & Lyme Disease reckons that

herbal antibiotics have the same effect as pharmaceutical antibiotics

in that they trigger the spirochete defense mechanism presumably

driving them into cyst form. So my plan was to pulse using Flagyl or

or Tinidazole to tackle the cyst forms so that I have all bases covered!

Like you I didnt like the idea of staying on antibiotics for a long

time and decided this was how I wanted to approach things. Whether it

will work or not is another matter! I guess its just a case of trying

and seeing if it works.

What I find interesting in my use of the herbs is that I initially I

herxed quite strongly on Japanese Knotweed and though I have felt

quite well on them in some ways since then, apart from going downhill

over Xmas due to going off my diet, since being on all the core

protocol herbs and at much higher doses I havent herxed like that at

all since. So I dont know whether that initial herx drove them deeper

and into cyst form.

Anyway I'll let you know how I get on when my rife machine arrives.

Take care

Anne

>

> This has probably been asked before.. and I posted on the Lyme and

Rife list as well.

>

> Can you rife with antimicrobial herbals or on the Buhner or Cowden

protocols? Or do you alternate completely separating antimicrobials

from the rifing as in 's book?

>

> I am on abx, but I don't think I can do it long term. I also like

the idea of herbs and their supportive nature for the body.

>

> Lastly, do you all think (or know) if Bb and friends develop

resistance to herbs and how do those who do herbs protect against

that? Combinations or changing them out regularly? Thank you! Sal

>

>

> --

> http://lymeactivist.wordpress.com/.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sal:

I just have no desire to try the rifing. I am doing well on BUhner's

extended protocols. Have had minor setbacks but nothing real bad, and I feel

pretty good lately again, since I started adding Potassium, Zinc, and of course

mainly the Huperzine-A

I take my age into consideration also.

Jim.

###

creekhopper@... wrote:

Jim>>I have never rifed and probably never will. I am satisfied with the

herbs.>>

Do you have reasons not to rife other than satisfaction with herbs? I am fencing

several protocols here trying to figure this all out for myself.

>>I do a little changing of the herbs, but very little. Mostly on the same ones

for over two years. I do not think Ketes become resistant to them. I am off

Cat's Claw for a few weeks now, but will go back on it sometime this year, I

imagine. I was out of Devil's Claw for a couple days this week and worry when I

run out of that one, as it is my BEST herb. Also was out of Resveratol And am

now out of Andropraphis. But I am still on the Stephania root so that should

take up the slack of the Andro.>>

Oh. OK. So not a huge worry to switch them out on a schedule or herxes stop then

stop and switch a few weeks (or whatver the formula) when using abx. I can see

how the complex nature of the herbs could make them non-resistance. The abx

resistant thread was very informative, but I don't *think* I started it, if that

is what you are referring to below..... ?? Thank you tons Jim for answering my

questions. Sal

I think you asked that question just recently.

Jim.

[Guest guest]

From what I gather, I really don't think Rosner has much real knowledge of

Herbs, especially Buhner's protocol. Maybe someone else has different info?

###

gill_annie <gill_annie@...> wrote:

Hi Sal,

I have just caught this thread and I noticed that you are taking a

very similar approach to me in tackling lyme. Plus I also have

Bartonella and Ehrlichia. I have been on the Buhner herbs for a few

months although I havent taken them consistently and I am waiting for

my rife machine to arrive within the next week and was hoping to

combine the two approaches. I really don't know whether you can though

as Rosner in his book Rife Machines & Lyme Disease reckons that

herbal antibiotics have the same effect as pharmaceutical antibiotics

in that they trigger the spirochete defense mechanism presumably

driving them into cyst form. So my plan was to pulse using Flagyl or

or Tinidazole to tackle the cyst forms so that I have all bases covered!

Like you I didnt like the idea of staying on antibiotics for a long

time and decided this was how I wanted to approach things. Whether it

will work or not is another matter! I guess its just a case of trying

and seeing if it works.

What I find interesting in my use of the herbs is that I initially I

herxed quite strongly on Japanese Knotweed and though I have felt

quite well on them in some ways since then, apart from going downhill

over Xmas due to going off my diet, since being on all the core

protocol herbs and at much higher doses I havent herxed like that at

all since. So I dont know whether that initial herx drove them deeper

and into cyst form.

Anyway I'll let you know how I get on when my rife machine arrives.

Take care

Anne

[Guest guest]

Anne>>I have just caught this thread and I noticed that you are taking a

very similar approach to me in tackling lyme. Plus I also have

Bartonella and Ehrlichia. I have been on the Buhner herbs for a few

months although I havent taken them consistently and I am waiting for

my rife machine to arrive within the next week and was hoping to

combine the two approaches. I really don't know whether you can though

as Rosner in his book Rife Machines & Lyme Disease reckons that

herbal antibiotics have the same effect as pharmaceutical antibiotics

in that they trigger the spirochete defense mechanism presumably

driving them into cyst form. So my plan was to pulse using Flagyl or

or Tinidazole to tackle the cyst forms so that I have all bases covered!>>

I don't know what's wrong with me. I can't stand the thought of antibiotics for

all the reasons stated her. Then I hear from folks who have gotten so much

better on antibiotics say that alternatives do not have a good " recovery " (for

lack of a better word) rate. Then I hear that any anti-microbial will send the

Bb into cyst form. Then I hear am not hearing tons of folks saying that they are

getting better on Rife. Then I wonder how safe it really is.. then what's left.

There is Salt C. Klinghardt (and I am wondering what the heck is a KMT and how

is it different from a rife machine). It's overwhelming.

I would love to hear how those who are doing well on the Buhner protocol have

addressed the cyst form. Do the buggers go cyst and stay there are long as one

herbs and the herbs are keepig them at bay and getting some as they come out or

do the herbs address the cysts in any way?

I wonder if you can pulse with the herbs... I think you can, and I think that is

mentioned in the book with at least samento... then why wouldnt one be able to

rife on herbs since they are more than just anti-microbials? Then unless the

anti-microbials are working to enhance the immune sytem, then why would you want

to do one and the other?

>>Like you I didnt like the idea of staying on antibiotics for a long

time and decided this was how I wanted to approach things. Whether it

will work or not is another matter! I guess its just a case of trying

and seeing if it works. >>

I worry that I will not give antibiotics enough time and that I will miss a

chance to bring my Bb and company load down right now and when I need to before

it gets even more out of hand. Then reading Byran's book... I am only creating

an inevitable crash. Hearing from a few folks who took long term abx and did get

better, this is not the case... surely they were well managed and cyst busting

drugs were part of that. The trying and seeing what happens is the scary part

for me personally, but I realize that this is where I am not matter what choice

I make.. its all an experiment. Thank you for saying that.

>>What I find interesting in my use of the herbs is that I initially I

herxed quite strongly on Japanese Knotweed and though I have felt

quite well on them in some ways since then, apart from going downhill

over Xmas due to going off my diet, since being on all the core

protocol herbs and at much higher doses I havent herxed like that at

all since. So I dont know whether that initial herx drove them deeper

and into cyst form. >>

I hope someone has an answer to that question. Do you switch something at that

point or take a break from the herbs?

>>Anyway I'll let you know how I get on when my rife machine arrives.>>

Thank you, Anne. That would be great.:-) Sal

[Guest guest]

Not any antimicrobial will sent Bb into cyst or L form. The beta lactams

like cef..... and penicillin and amox.

Minocycline, doxy, zith and biaxin and bactram are not supposed to send it

to L form. In fact, Trevor Marshall states that these antibiotics kill L

forms.

-- Re: [ ] Re: Rife and Herbs

Anne>>I have just caught this thread and I noticed that you are taking a

very similar approach to me in tackling lyme. Plus I also have

Bartonella and Ehrlichia. I have been on the Buhner herbs for a few

months although I havent taken them consistently and I am waiting for

my rife machine to arrive within the next week and was hoping to

combine the two approaches. I really don't know whether you can though

as Rosner in his book Rife Machines & Lyme Disease reckons that

herbal antibiotics have the same effect as pharmaceutical antibiotics

in that they trigger the spirochete defense mechanism presumably

driving them into cyst form. So my plan was to pulse using Flagyl or

or Tinidazole to tackle the cyst forms so that I have all bases covered!>>

I don't know what's wrong with me. I can't stand the thought of antibiotics

for all the reasons stated her. Then I hear from folks who have gotten so

much better on antibiotics say that alternatives do not have a good

recovery " (for lack of a better word) rate. Then I hear that any

anti-microbial will send the Bb into cyst form. Then I hear am not hearing

tons of folks saying that they are getting better on Rife. Then I wonder how

safe it really is.. then what's left. There is Salt C. Klinghardt (and I am

wondering what the heck is a KMT and how is it different from a rife

machine). It's overwhelming.

I would love to hear how those who are doing well on the Buhner protocol

have addressed the cyst form. Do the buggers go cyst and stay there are long

as one herbs and the herbs are keepig them at bay and getting some as they

come out or do the herbs address the cysts in any way?

I wonder if you can pulse with the herbs... I think you can, and I think

that is mentioned in the book with at least samento... then why wouldnt one

be able to rife on herbs since they are more than just anti-microbials? Then

unless the anti-microbials are working to enhance the immune sytem, then why

would you want to do one and the other?

>>Like you I didnt like the idea of staying on antibiotics for a long

time and decided this was how I wanted to approach things. Whether it

will work or not is another matter! I guess its just a case of trying

and seeing if it works. >>

I worry that I will not give antibiotics enough time and that I will miss a

chance to bring my Bb and company load down right now and when I need to

before it gets even more out of hand. Then reading Byran's book... I am only

creating an inevitable crash. Hearing from a few folks who took long term

abx and did get better, this is not the case... surely they were well

managed and cyst busting drugs were part of that. The trying and seeing what

happens is the scary part for me personally, but I realize that this is

where I am not matter what choice I make.. its all an experiment. Thank you

for saying that.

>>What I find interesting in my use of the herbs is that I initially I

herxed quite strongly on Japanese Knotweed and though I have felt

quite well on them in some ways since then, apart from going downhill

over Xmas due to going off my diet, since being on all the core

protocol herbs and at much higher doses I havent herxed like that at

all since. So I dont know whether that initial herx drove them deeper

and into cyst form. >>

I hope someone has an answer to that question. Do you switch something at

that point or take a break from the herbs?

>>Anyway I'll let you know how I get on when my rife machine arrives.>>

Thank you, Anne. That would be great.:-) Sal

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I did not finish my sentence. The beta lactams have been shown to

put Bb into the L form or cyst form. According to some Lyme docs, I believe

Schaller, ceftin, rocephin, etc, put the bugs into the L form. There is a

video on Youtube that shows Bb going into either cyst or L form. Seems

there is not clear delineation between cyst and L form all the time. At

least Rosner makes the distinction.

The video shows Bb changing when the slide or plate it is in, is swabbed

with penicillin. That is why I backed out of rocephin after a week on it.

I felt much better but I panicked over the conversion to L forms.

So until there is more definitive research that is actually made public, I

will no longer use beta lactams. According to Trevor Marshall, the L forms

can be killed. So I figure why convert them to L in the first place when

mino killes chetes and L forms.

-- Re: [ ] Re: Rife and Herbs

Anne>>I have just caught this thread and I noticed that you are taking a

very similar approach to me in tackling lyme. Plus I also have

Bartonella and Ehrlichia. I have been on the Buhner herbs for a few

months although I havent taken them consistently and I am waiting for

my rife machine to arrive within the next week and was hoping to

combine the two approaches. I really don't know whether you can though

as Rosner in his book Rife Machines & Lyme Disease reckons that

herbal antibiotics have the same effect as pharmaceutical antibiotics

in that they trigger the spirochete defense mechanism presumably

driving them into cyst form. So my plan was to pulse using Flagyl or

or Tinidazole to tackle the cyst forms so that I have all bases covered!>>

I don't know what's wrong with me. I can't stand the thought of antibiotics

for all the reasons stated her. Then I hear from folks who have gotten so

much better on antibiotics say that alternatives do not have a good

recovery " (for lack of a better word) rate. Then I hear that any

anti-microbial will send the Bb into cyst form. Then I hear am not hearing

tons of folks saying that they are getting better on Rife. Then I wonder how

safe it really is.. then what's left. There is Salt C. Klinghardt (and I am

wondering what the heck is a KMT and how is it different from a rife

machine). It's overwhelming.

I would love to hear how those who are doing well on the Buhner protocol

have addressed the cyst form. Do the buggers go cyst and stay there are long

as one herbs and the herbs are keepig them at bay and getting some as they

come out or do the herbs address the cysts in any way?

I wonder if you can pulse with the herbs... I think you can, and I think

that is mentioned in the book with at least samento... then why wouldnt one

be able to rife on herbs since they are more than just anti-microbials? Then

unless the anti-microbials are working to enhance the immune sytem, then why

would you want to do one and the other?

>>Like you I didnt like the idea of staying on antibiotics for a long

time and decided this was how I wanted to approach things. Whether it

will work or not is another matter! I guess its just a case of trying

and seeing if it works. >>

I worry that I will not give antibiotics enough time and that I will miss a

chance to bring my Bb and company load down right now and when I need to

before it gets even more out of hand. Then reading Byran's book... I am only

creating an inevitable crash. Hearing from a few folks who took long term

abx and did get better, this is not the case... surely they were well

managed and cyst busting drugs were part of that. The trying and seeing what

happens is the scary part for me personally, but I realize that this is

where I am not matter what choice I make.. its all an experiment. Thank you

for saying that.

>>What I find interesting in my use of the herbs is that I initially I

herxed quite strongly on Japanese Knotweed and though I have felt

quite well on them in some ways since then, apart from going downhill

over Xmas due to going off my diet, since being on all the core

protocol herbs and at much higher doses I havent herxed like that at

all since. So I dont know whether that initial herx drove them deeper

and into cyst form. >>

I hope someone has an answer to that question. Do you switch something at

that point or take a break from the herbs?

>>Anyway I'll let you know how I get on when my rife machine arrives.>>

Thank you, Anne. That would be great.:-) Sal

[Guest guest]

Anne,

I'm another one who is doing both rife and herbs AND abx. I know

Rosner says that taking abx while rifing will reduce the efficacy of

rifing, but I have not found that to be the case. I still herx quite

strongly after (even while) rifing.

I'm primarily rifing for Bartonella right now, because that seems to

be the biggest problem for me right now, although I still also rife

for Borrelia.

My Dr. plans to start taking me off of abx next month, so I want to

be prepared w/alternative treatments, so rife and herbs are it.

Patti

> Hi Sal,

>

> I have just caught this thread and I noticed that you are taking a

> very similar approach to me in tackling lyme. Plus I also have

> Bartonella and Ehrlichia. I have been on the Buhner herbs for a few

> months although I havent taken them consistently and I am waiting

for

> my rife machine to arrive within the next week and was hoping to

> combine the two approaches. I really don't know whether you can

though

> as Rosner in his book Rife Machines & Lyme Disease reckons

that

> herbal antibiotics have the same effect as pharmaceutical

antibiotics

> in that they trigger the spirochete defense mechanism presumably

> driving them into cyst form. So my plan was to pulse using Flagyl or

> or Tinidazole to tackle the cyst forms so that I have all bases

covered!

>

> Like you I didnt like the idea of staying on antibiotics for a long

> time and decided this was how I wanted to approach things. Whether

it

> will work or not is another matter! I guess its just a case of

trying

> and seeing if it works.

>

> What I find interesting in my use of the herbs is that I initially I

> herxed quite strongly on Japanese Knotweed and though I have felt

> quite well on them in some ways since then, apart from going

downhill

> over Xmas due to going off my diet, since being on all the core

> protocol herbs and at much higher doses I havent herxed like that at

> all since. So I dont know whether that initial herx drove them

deeper

> and into cyst form.

>

> Anyway I'll let you know how I get on when my rife machine arrives.

>

> Take care

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti,

Thanks a lot for your message. Its good to know that you are herxing

from the rife whilst also taking the herbs. Do you mind me asking

which rife machine you are using and how long have you been rifing

for? Have you made much progress overall with tackling the Borrelia

combining abx with rifing? My main problem seems to be Bartonella too

according to my tests so I will be rifing for that too, but it could

well be that Borrelia is causing me more problems that I'm not aware

of as I had a negative Western Blot so my doctor thought that I should

tackle Bartonelle firt. I havent got my Coil yet it should arrive

next week so I will let you know how I get on once I start.

Good luck with coming off the abx, I will be interested to hear how

you get on.

Take care and keep in touch.

Anne

>

> Anne,

>

> I'm another one who is doing both rife and herbs AND abx. I know

> Rosner says that taking abx while rifing will reduce the efficacy of

> rifing, but I have not found that to be the case. I still herx quite

> strongly after (even while) rifing.

>

> I'm primarily rifing for Bartonella right now, because that seems to

> be the biggest problem for me right now, although I still also rife

> for Borrelia.

>

> My Dr. plans to start taking me off of abx next month, so I want to

> be prepared w/alternative treatments, so rife and herbs are it.

>

>

> Patti

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

I had a really great experience last night w/the rife machine and

wanted to let you know about it. I've had a rash on the back of my

neck, base of scalp and shoulders which had been bothering me since

early December. I thought it was Bart and was treating it as such.

It got a little better w/topical application of boneset, stephania

root and pau d'arco, but not completely well. I then started rifing

for Bart and while I herxed, the rash didn't improve significantly.

The rash was really annoying and could be very itchy at times so

since I felt the response to my treatments weren't as good as I would

like, I decided to try rifing for Babesia last night. I used all the

frequencies I could that are recommended in the back of Rosner's book

for babesia co-infections at 5 minutes each. I herxed right away,

which for me is facial palsy. My eyes droop and I can't open them up

well. This happens right away with some treatmenets. Anyway, that's

what happened last night. When I woke up this morning, my head was

much clearer than it's been in a while, and my rash has been much

better today. It's itched so little, that I didn't feel the need to

apply any of the topicals that I'd been using multiple time a day

recently.

I'm rifing daily now, and was rifing just for Bart and Borrelia, but

will now add Babesia frequencies to the daily regimen. I may add

some Babesia herbs to the regimen as well.

Today was the best I've felt in a long time. I really felt almost

normal. It makes me hopeful that I can really beat this thing.

Patti

> >

> > Anne,

> >

> > I'm another one who is doing both rife and herbs AND abx. I know

> > Rosner says that taking abx while rifing will reduce the efficacy

of

> > rifing, but I have not found that to be the case. I still herx

quite

> > strongly after (even while) rifing.

> >

> > I'm primarily rifing for Bartonella right now, because that seems

to

> > be the biggest problem for me right now, although I still also

rife

> > for Borrelia.

> >

> > My Dr. plans to start taking me off of abx next month, so I want

to

> > be prepared w/alternative treatments, so rife and herbs are it.

> >

> >

> > Patti

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti,

Thanks very much for sharing that, its really great news! I can

imagine how much hope it gives you to feel almost normal again and its

very hopeful for me to hear your good news too. It sounds like you

didnt even know that you had Babesia and I guess one of the great

things about rifing as with the herbs too is that you can do a lot of

experimentation at home until you hit the right frequency so its quite

a good way of diagnosing what infections we have. As far as I'm aware

I have Borrelia, Bartonella and Ehrlichia but I have just bought Nina

Silver's book on Rife Frequencies which gives quite a comprehensive

frequency list so it will be interesting to see what other frequencies

I respond to once I start. I think the list in her book is even more

comprehensive than the CAFL list so I will probably try out

frequencies for other infections that I suspect might be involved too.

Its good that you are at the stage where you are able to rife daily

too it sounds like you are really making headway. How are you today,

have the improvements lasted? I hope you continue to improve and the

herbs for Babesia make a big difference to you too.

Take care and well done!

Anne

>

> Hi Anne,

>

> I had a really great experience last night w/the rife machine and

> wanted to let you know about it. I've had a rash on the back of my

> neck, base of scalp and shoulders which had been bothering me since

> early December. I thought it was Bart and was treating it as such.

> It got a little better w/topical application of boneset, stephania

> root and pau d'arco, but not completely well. I then started rifing

> for Bart and while I herxed, the rash didn't improve significantly.

>

> The rash was really annoying and could be very itchy at times so

> since I felt the response to my treatments weren't as good as I would

> like, I decided to try rifing for Babesia last night. I used all the

> frequencies I could that are recommended in the back of Rosner's book

> for babesia co-infections at 5 minutes each. I herxed right away,

> which for me is facial palsy. My eyes droop and I can't open them up

> well. This happens right away with some treatmenets. Anyway, that's

> what happened last night. When I woke up this morning, my head was

> much clearer than it's been in a while, and my rash has been much

> better today. It's itched so little, that I didn't feel the need to

> apply any of the topicals that I'd been using multiple time a day

> recently.

>

> I'm rifing daily now, and was rifing just for Bart and Borrelia, but

> will now add Babesia frequencies to the daily regimen. I may add

> some Babesia herbs to the regimen as well.

>

> Today was the best I've felt in a long time. I really felt almost

> normal. It makes me hopeful that I can really beat this thing.

>

> Patti

>

[Guest guest]

The rash seemed to flare up yesterday, so I decided to just apply the

stephania root tincture to it and for the first time, applied it

about 3-4 times over the course of 24 hrs. This kept me in a mild

state of herxing during most of the day, so I didn't rife last

night. Up to this point, I'd been randomly applying boneset,

stephania, MMS, and pau d'arco to the rash

During the middle of the night I felt a little jittery and decided I

needed to review the side effects of stephania and read that it has

strong calcium channel blocking effects and started to worry a little

about " OD-ing " on it and developing heart block, so I got up and took

a dose of cholestyramine, (which I'm supposed to be taking but

haven't been). I thought this might serve to bind up any excess

stephania that might have been absorbed and gotten to my heart and

made it start palpating like it was.

This morning I feel better overall, itching included. I surmise that

the constant application of stephania has been killing whatever it is

in my skin that's making me itch, and I'm going to apply it topically

at least 2-3 times today. If I continue to improve w/the topical

treatment, I'll continue this for at least a week-10 days.

This illness is a b*tch and sometimes makes me crazy with

desperation. However, I am a former pharmacist and there is some

rationale behind my actions, at least as I see it there are.

If my head is as clear tonight as it is right now, I'll rife again

tonight and see what happens. But right now, I definitely feel as

though I've made a little progress.

Patti

> >

> > Hi Anne,

> >

> > I had a really great experience last night w/the rife machine and

> > wanted to let you know about it. I've had a rash on the back of

my

> > neck, base of scalp and shoulders which had been bothering me

since

> > early December. I thought it was Bart and was treating it as

such.

> > It got a little better w/topical application of boneset,

stephania

> > root and pau d'arco, but not completely well. I then started

rifing

> > for Bart and while I herxed, the rash didn't improve

significantly.

> >

> > The rash was really annoying and could be very itchy at times so

> > since I felt the response to my treatments weren't as good as I

would

> > like, I decided to try rifing for Babesia last night. I used all

the

> > frequencies I could that are recommended in the back of Rosner's

book

> > for babesia co-infections at 5 minutes each. I herxed right

away,

> > which for me is facial palsy. My eyes droop and I can't open

them up

> > well. This happens right away with some treatmenets. Anyway,

that's

> > what happened last night. When I woke up this morning, my head

was

> > much clearer than it's been in a while, and my rash has been much

> > better today. It's itched so little, that I didn't feel the need

to

> > apply any of the topicals that I'd been using multiple time a day

> > recently.

> >

> > I'm rifing daily now, and was rifing just for Bart and Borrelia,

but

> > will now add Babesia frequencies to the daily regimen. I may add

> > some Babesia herbs to the regimen as well.

> >

> > Today was the best I've felt in a long time. I really felt

almost

> > normal. It makes me hopeful that I can really beat this thing.

> >

> > Patti

> >

>