Re: borrelia forms-Knotweed

March 29, 2011

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> How many forms are there? Is the cyst form the same as biofilm? What's the

L-form I've heard mentioned? When one goes into remission (I did for 8 months

pre-diagnosis) what form are the spirochetes in?

this is not really defined yet. There is the normal spirochete, the cyst (rolled

up to form a round body), the l/CWD form and granules which are probably

involved in reproduction. It is not clear which of these forms are really

'separate', e.g. a cyst will form quickly or revert back to spirochete depending

on external conditions (not just as a result of ABX).

Biofilm is an aggregate (colony) of bacteria, usually with different species,

sometimes even more than 100 species. It is a bit similar to an organ in higher

organisms, where activities are coordinated among the bugs in the biofilm, and

certain bacteria specialise in specific tasks.

L/CWD-form are versions without cell wall, as result they don't have a defined

shape and less or no outside antigens. As with cysts, not everyone uses the same

definition. They are supposedly the result of using cell wall antibiotics. Some

people like Mattman think that the l-form is the dangerous form, it is

linked to cancer and other diseases.

In the patient there are probably at least spirochetes (normally in small

quantity, either freeliving in the blood or deep in the tissue e.g. between

collagen fibers) and more or less dormant cyst forms. It is very difficult to

check this in real patients ...

The granules are almost impossible to detect; they are known for treponema

(syfilis) and they exist with Borrelia as well, but it is all illdefined.

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