fatigue

May 15, 2006

Eilie wrote:

==>Hi Eilie. Welcome to our group.

I'm short on time this morning, but it is important that you read the

main article " How To Successfully Overcome Candida " first. The diet

recommended to you is totally wrong for candida, which doesn't allow

any grains - the reasons are in that article. Start with reading, and

with correcting your diet. There is hope. You can get better!

Natural Healing takes time, but it is well worth it! Hang in there.

We're here for you.

If your well water was tested as okay it is probably okay to drink.

Bee

>

> Hello. I have been suffering from a deep, progressive fatigue for

many years. It's finally gotten so bad that I went to a " natural

doctor " who told me that I most likely have Candida, but there could

possibly be thyroid involvement. I also have had chronic sinus

infections for 20 years, several yeast infections over the last ten

years, and problems with achy joints. I used to be a very energetic

person, but gradually have become so exhausted that I can hardly make

myself get out of bed. I've had many courses of antibiotics in my

adult life and and I'm a sugar freak. I think the doctor may have a

good point.

>

May 15, 2006

Ellie,

One of my top 2 complaints has been major fatigue - I amost hate the word

fatigue because it implies, " oh I need to sit and relax " when in fact major

fatigue feels more to me like I can't walk much of any length and have very low

blood sugar. My lower legs are weak and can't carry me very far. Some days it

has been a miracle I didn't just lie in bed and sleep the day away.

I do have thyroid issues but starting supplmentation didn't improve my condition

very much. I am also very thin. When I began Bee's candida diet in Nov, I

immediately started noticing more stamina (within 2 weeks), I started cooking

dinners again, helping to clean the house again. 3 months later I was back out

in the real world little by little - doing grocery shopping, for example! This

was HUGE for me as I had left the real world for over a year or more while my

husband did all the chores and errands and I sat at home feeling terrible and

exhausted.

I do highly recommend Bee's diet. Now that I have learned what I have, I feel

everyone, even those who think they are healthy, can thrive on this diet (sure

healthy people can be more liberal with it of course). I follow the diet and

take all the supplements but am not as consistent on the chlorella.

Also, die off can be awful and the ups and downs continue. But I am glad to

have had somewhat of a social life/life outside my home again in the past 5

months, even if not yet consistently.

Feel free to ask me anything of my experience. I hugely sympathize now whenever

i hear anyone say they are tired. It can be terribly heartbreaking to have your

life change so much from active to a human couch pillow.

~Anita

" prairielake@... " <prairielake@...> wrote: Hello. I have been

suffering from a deep, progressive fatigue for many years.

I've been reading here for a few weeks and noticed that a lot of people have a

main problem of vaginal yeast, but haven't seen much about major exhaustion.

Has anyone else had the main complaint be fatigue? And how long does it take to

start really feeling human again? I'm desperate to hear stories of hope. I

feel so scared that I'll be like this forever. Being too exhausted to move is

no way to live.

I don't think thyroid is the problem as I don't have many of the other

symptoms. My weight is average for my height and I don't have dry, fragile hair

or dry skin. Well, maybe my temp has always run low, as has my blood pressure.

So who knows?

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May 15, 2006

Hi Eilie,

I also suffered from fatigue, as well as severe depression. The

depression was the first thing to improve when I simply gave up

sugar years ago (it improved even more due to the candida program).

The fatigue worsened when I began my candida program and was very

severe at times. It took at least 5 months to get beyond that point

(but I was on a program that I feel was inferior to Bee's). I also

took SF722 plus many other antifungals in my previous program. I

can't say they don't work, but I feel that I am doing better taking

cod liver oil, high vitamin butter oil, coconut oil, garlic,

desiccated liver, chlorella, bone broths, home grown sprouts,

homemade sauerkraut, omega 3 eggs, veggies, fish and meats. Notice

that these are all foods. I also take the other vitamin supplements

Bee suggests.

I went the route of taking lots of supplements and very high doses

of antifungals for about 10 months. My husband did the same. We

spent as much as $2000 per month for this program through a

nutritionist out of New York City. We improved but eventually

became stuck. It was when we started to nourish ourselves better

and eat cultured vegetables (i.e. the kraut) that we started to move

ahead in our healing again. After reading Weston Price's Nutrition

and Physical Degeneration I stumbled upon Bee's group and knew that

this was the best thing because her program was totally consistent

with Dr. Price's work, yet was geared specifically to candida (i.e.

a low carb version).

You may make good progress with your current program, but be sure to

educate yourself about nutrition so that you can make good decisions

for yourself. Dr. Price's book is fascinating reading and I doubt

that anyone who reads it can look at food in the same way again. I

am just now reading Sugar Blues. I now look at sugar as a drug. I

used to be a sugar addict also. It is possible to kick the habit.

Your body and mind will thank you. Another great book is Nourishing

Traditions by Sally Fallon. There is a wonderful summary of

nutrition principles (based on Price's work) at the beginning of the

book, wonderful traditional recipes, and also exerpts from other

writings on each page throughout the cookbook.

Like you I was always average in weight and also had chronic sinus

problems, as well as headaches, and sore throats. I had a

septoplasty done years ago which helped. After changing my diet I

have the amazing ability to breathe through my nose most of the

time, very rarely have headaches, and never get sore throats. Ah,

the miracle of healthy food!

You don't need to feel this way forever. The sooner you begin

nourishing your body, the sooner you will achieve optimum health.

Jan

>

> I've been reading here for a few weeks and noticed that a lot of

people have a main problem of vaginal yeast, but haven't seen much

about major exhaustion. Has anyone else had the main complaint be

fatigue? And how long does it take to start really feeling human

again? I'm desperate to hear stories of hope. I feel so scared

that I'll be like this forever. Being too exhausted to move is no

way to live.

>

May 15, 2006

~~hi eilie , and welcome to our group!

> I've been reading here for a few weeks and noticed that a lot of

people have a main problem of vaginal yeast, but haven't seen much

about major exhaustion. Has anyone else had the main complaint be

fatigue? And how long does it take to start really feeling human

again? I'm desperate to hear stories of hope. I feel so scared that

I'll be like this forever. Being too exhausted to move is no way to

live.

~~yes, lately there has been more talk of vaginal yeast issues, but

the conversation varies. fatigue is a common complaint, and a common

symptom. it usually does get worse before getting better, and i speak

from personal experience here!

~~i'm in my mid thirties, i have thankfully never gotten to the point

of total physical exhaustion, but when i traced my own symptoms to

candida, and began on this program i did become more fatigued

mentally and physically, to the point that normal physical exertion

for me become difficult. my legs didn't want to climb stairs or walk

up a hill. i was just plain tired! but it did get better, to the

point where i was able to begin exercising again and go back to a

normal work load.

~~you might try doing a search using the Search Window at the top or

bottom of the messages page when you are reading the messages

directly on the website. you will find numerous posts from other

members who have struggled with fatigue.

~~remember, you can get through it and get better, just allow

yourself to rest whenever possible, your body is telling you

something. listen and take it easy as much as possible, rest is very

important in healing.

> I don't think thyroid is the problem as I don't have many of the

other symptoms. My weight is average for my height and I don't have

dry, fragile hair or dry skin. Well, maybe my temp has always run

low, as has my blood pressure. So who knows?

> Thanks for listening. You're good people, and I appreciate all the

help I've gotten from reading the files and your messages. Thank you!

> Eilie

~~take good care, ~ suz

May 21, 2006

>

> Hello

>

> Since going completely onto Bee's diet ( almost 3 wks) I have been

> so fatigued, my first challenge was the constipation, I felt like I

> was never gonna get over it, but since I've been taking magnesium

> Ive been able to go, really happy about that. Now my next challenge

> is the fatigue, I know there has been so many posts about it, but

> could it be from the VCO Im taking, I usually try and take 2 x 40mls

> 3 times a day, but Im not sure yet if its causing the fatigue but I

> think that after taking the VCO, I feel like my arms, legs and body

> are just so tired, and have no energy even to talk sometimes - and

> even with all this tiredness, Im having problems sleeping.

> Should I be doing something else?

> I know this is a common problem, but can anyone explain why the

> fatigue happens?

> I havent started taking any of the recommended Vitamin B tablets

> yet, do they help with the fatigue?

>

> any other ex-fatiguers and their comments would help to inspire, (I

> got the blues and Im feeling really sick and tired and wondering if

> this is ever gonna end.)

>

> Kat

Hi Kat -

Even though I'm not an ex-fatiguer - yet, I just wanted to let you know that all

of my

fatigue started after beginning to treat the candida. Prior to that my energy

levels were

really good even though I had candida. That definitely confirmed for me what my

problem

was as the fatigue is caused by the candida being killed off. Someone who

doesn't have

candida wouldn't get fatigue or any other die off symptoms from a candida

program. I

was doing a diff. program previously, and I think we were doing too much too

soon and I

could hardly walk I was so tired. Not good when I have 3 young children. After

starting

bees program, I have still been fatigued, but I am functional. I also have

problems

sleeping sometimes as well. Sometimes I feel very wired even though I am

exhausted.

I know the VCO causes die off as well. I think for me it has mostly caused

stomach aches

and bloating which is also yeast being killed. However, I'm sure it has

contributed to my

fatigue. You may need to go a little more slowly with the VCO.

Oh, and yes the B vitamins definitely help. I wouldn't be without them!

Hope this helps!

Trish

>

May 21, 2006

" Trisha Mountan " <tmountan@...> wrote:

> Oh, and yes the B vitamins definitely help. I wouldn't be without

them!

>

> Hope this helps!

> Trish

Hi Trish, thank you so much, it does help knowing that someone else is

going through the same as you, so you feel so alone, and Im gonna try

the Vitamin B.

bye now

Kat

May 21, 2006

hi all

another factor that could be contributing to the fatigue is this

season of pollen - from what i've heard through other groups, from

folks in different parts of the US, allergies to pollen & grasses are

a whopper this year! i can say that here in belgium, my symptoms are

going nuts. all the trees, flowers and grasses are popping out all

around me - absolutely beautiful, but i'm wiped out. (aside from the

sneezing & wheezing and some days with the itchy eyes, i'm physically

and mentally pooped).

other than that, yes, its true, fatigue & weakness are two of the

first things to hit a lot of us when we first begin the candida

program.

i do believe its mostly a " die off " reaction. physiologically, i'm

not the best able to describe what happens to cause it, and i'm

especially dim-witted these past couple of days! yesterday and today

i feel like i could just flop down on the couch and not move for

hours.

rest as much as you can, your body is asking for it and will benefit

from any 'downtime' you can get.

take good care and keep with it, you really can feel better!

~ suz

> > Since going completely onto Bee's diet ( almost 3 wks) I have

been

> > so fatigued, my first challenge was the constipation, I felt like

I

> > was never gonna get over it, but since I've been taking magnesium

> > Ive been able to go, really happy about that. Now my next

challenge

> > is the fatigue, I know there has been so many posts about it, but

> > could it be from the VCO Im taking, I usually try and take 2 x

40mls

> > 3 times a day, but Im not sure yet if its causing the fatigue but

I

> > think that after taking the VCO, I feel like my arms, legs and

body

> > are just so tired, and have no energy even to talk sometimes -

and

> > even with all this tiredness, Im having problems sleeping.

> > Should I be doing something else?

> > I know this is a common problem, but can anyone explain why the

> > fatigue happens?

> > I havent started taking any of the recommended Vitamin B tablets

> > yet, do they help with the fatigue?

> >

> > any other ex-fatiguers and their comments would help to inspire,

(I

> > got the blues and Im feeling really sick and tired and wondering

if

> > this is ever gonna end.)

> >

> > Kat

>

> Hi Kat -

>

> Even though I'm not an ex-fatiguer - yet, I just wanted to let you

know that all of my

> fatigue started after beginning to treat the candida. Prior to

that my energy levels were

> really good even though I had candida. That definitely confirmed

for me what my problem

> was as the fatigue is caused by the candida being killed off.

Someone who doesn't have

> candida wouldn't get fatigue or any other die off symptoms from a

candida program. I

> was doing a diff. program previously, and I think we were doing too

much too soon and I

> could hardly walk I was so tired. Not good when I have 3 young

children. After starting

> bees program, I have still been fatigued, but I am functional. I

also have problems

> sleeping sometimes as well. Sometimes I feel very wired even

though I am exhausted.

>

> I know the VCO causes die off as well. I think for me it has

mostly caused stomach aches

> and bloating which is also yeast being killed. However, I'm sure

it has contributed to my

> fatigue. You may need to go a little more slowly with the VCO.

>

> Oh, and yes the B vitamins definitely help. I wouldn't be without

them!

>

> Hope this helps!

> Trish

> >

>

May 21, 2006

Kat wrote:

> Hello. Since going completely onto Bee's diet ( almost 3 wks) I

have been so fatigued, my first challenge was the constipation, I

felt like I was never gonna get over it, but since I've been taking

magnesium I've been able to go, really happy about that. Now my next

challenge is the fatigue, I know there has been so many posts about

it, but could it be from the VCO Im taking, I usually try and take 2

x 40mls 3 times a day, but Im not sure yet if its causing the fatigue

but I think that after taking the VCO, I feel like my arms, legs and

body are just so tired, and have no energy even to talk sometimes -

and even with all this tiredness, Im having problems sleeping. >

Should I be doing something else?

==>To help you and others understand fatigue better I've just

posted " Fatigue and Candida " in the files (after the folders).

==>If you are taking 80mls 3 times a day of VCO, that equals about 5

tablespoons. It is possible that the dose is too high for you at

this time, even though 5-6 tablespoons is the recommended therapeutic

dose. It may be pushing your body too hard into healing. Try

cutting back to half that amount and very gradually increase it again

up to 5-6 tablespoons, but only increase the amount every 4-5 days.

Also do not take coconut oil too close to bedtime. It provides so

much energy it can keep you awake.

> I know this is a common problem, but can anyone explain why the

> fatigue happens? I havent started taking any of the recommended

Vitamin B tablets yet, do they help with the fatigue?

==>B vitamins are very important for overall functioning of your

body, and if you are lacking in them it could cause lower energy

levels. Try to start on them asap.

>

> any other ex-fatiguers and their comments would help to inspire, (I

> got the blues and Im feeling really sick and tired and wondering if

> this is ever gonna end.)

==>I am very familiar with fatigue. When I had candida in the mid

1980s I could only be out of bed for about an hour at a time. Epsom

salt baths, coffee enemas and dry skin brushing will help re-energize

you.

Bee

May 22, 2006

" Bee Wilder " wrote:

> ==>To help you and others understand fatigue better I've just

> posted " Fatigue and Candida " in the files (after the folders).

Thanks so Bee and to all who have replied to my post, really

appreciate all the time and effort. I have read the file Bee, and

even tho it doesnt fix the fatigue, it makes me feel alot better if

Im able to understand why this is happening to me (and everyone else

also.)

> ==>If you are taking 80mls 3 times a day of VCO, that equals about

5 tablespoons. It is possible that the dose is too high for you at

this time, even though 5-6 tablespoons is the recommended

therapeutic dose. It may be pushing your body too hard into

healing. Try cutting back to half that amount and very gradually

increase it again up to 5-6 tablespoons, but only increase the

amount every 4-5 days. Also do not take coconut oil too close to

bedtime. It provides so much energy it can keep you awake.

I will start on cutting this down tomorrow along with taking Vitamin

B

Thanks again

Kat

May 23, 2006

Kat, If you need encouragement for the fatigue, here it is - it will come and go

for a while, but the times when it passes, you will feel so much better. If you

are not taking the supplments though, I would highly recommed you do, esp b

vitamins you are not currently taking.

Also, I got these strange emotional, weary, angry feelings there for a short

while and it was uncharacteristic of me but it was as if buried emotions came

out to the surface somehow. I am not sure how to explain this. Anyhow, my

point is that this passed and lately I have some sort of strange euphoric " high "

that rises and then levels out. It is really nice and I had never considered

myself a depressed person but I feel extreme happiness like I don't remember

feeling before at times now. I have to say, this has been a very weird ride!

I know " hang in there " doesn't help too much when you're in the middle of

feeling lousy, but please do and let us know how you are very soon.

~Anita

mangogal67 <mangogal67@...> wrote:

I know this is a common problem, but can anyone explain why the

fatigue happens?

I havent started taking any of the recommended Vitamin B tablets

yet, do they help with the fatigue?

any other ex-fatiguers and their comments would help to inspire, (I

got the blues and Im feeling really sick and tired and wondering if

this is ever gonna end.)

Kat

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June 20, 2006

Hi Jolynn,

I've been thinking a lot about your post regarding daily fatigue.

I've had a similar problem for a long time. I collapse every day

around 4 or 5 and sometimes absolutely must go to sleep - I just

can't keep my eyes open. I also have a hard time waking up in the

morning almost every day even though I get enough sleep and good

sleep.

I agree with Cam that it's very important that you get a blood test,

especially to see if you're anemic or if you have an underactive or

overactive thyroid - either can make you tired. I myself had most of

my throid removed several years ago because I had an overactive

thyroid gland and couldn't tolerate any of the meds for that

illness. Since then I've been taking a synthetic thyroid hormone

(thyroxine - one pill daily).

But medications, pain and diet sometimes interfere with my body's

absorption of the hormone and I always can tell because I've become

exquisitely sensitive to the signals - such as a restless leg when I

have too much hormone, and fatigue and weight gain when I have too

little.

But beyond the thyroid, I've been reading about ways to increase

energy through one's diet. The experts say that spikes in insulin

(blood sugar) lead to fatigue (for a variety of reasons) and they

recommend having protein at every meal (meat, fish, egg white, or

dairy) and minimizing carbohydrates in the form of bread, pasta, and

rice while increasing beneficial carbohydrates in the form of

vegetables and fruit. One researcher suggests thinking about your

plate as divided into 3 equal sections (for all your meals) so that

you have an equal amount of protein, fruit and vegetables (each

making up a third of your plate) on it.

Also, some researchers suggest having a protein shake every morning

for breakfast: 1.5 cups frozen berries/1 cup skim milk/one serving

of whey protein (concentrated protein from eggs), blended in a

blender, with or without ice, along with 2 to 4 capsules of

pharmaceutical grade fish oil.

I've just started this pattern of eating as of one week and I do

notice some differences - I don't need the afternoon nap - but I

still can't get up in the morning. I'll stay on it for 3 months and

check my level of fatigue (and other symptoms I'm trying to better

manage).

I hope I've given you some ideas to think about (even if you don't

pursue the more-protein-in-your-diet diet).

Please let us know how you're doing. I wish you much good luck. It

really stinks to have so much fatigue.

Andy Stanton

Concord MA

Revision 2003 - Boachie - NY

>

> I am a very active person (even with flatback) and although I get

pain

> that I can work through the fatigue seems to be the most

bothersome

> symptom at this moment. I have always had 20-30 minute naps during

the

> day but now I take 2, hour long naps a day. I get so tired just

doing

> things like grocery shopping or cleaning, I feel like I do it all

with

> a 500 pound gorilla on my back.

>

> I eat healthy and excercise (by walking)to keep my energy up but

the

> kids keep asking why I sleep so much. I feel the need to sleep at

> noonish then my husband comes home to find me asleep again at 6.

>

> I go to bed at 10:30ish every day and wake up at 8am. Does anyone

> have any suggestions on how to fight/avoid that worn out feeling?

>

> Jolynn

>

June 20, 2006

Wouldn't you know that as sson as I post this concern I have 2 great

days with no need for a nap and no problems waking up. I Have been

spending a significant amount of time outdoors with the kids laying

out by the pool and maybe that has helped. I look into the eating

thing. I eat extremely healthy and avoid white breads, pastas, chips

and such but my weakness is sweeats which I think I eat a littel too

much of.

Thanks for the sugestions.

Jolynn

> >

> > I am a very active person (even with flatback) and although I

get

> pain

> > that I can work through the fatigue seems to be the most

> bothersome

> > symptom at this moment. I have always had 20-30 minute naps

during

> the

> > day but now I take 2, hour long naps a day. I get so tired just

> doing

> > things like grocery shopping or cleaning, I feel like I do it

all

> with

> > a 500 pound gorilla on my back.

> >

> > I eat healthy and excercise (by walking)to keep my energy up

but

> the

> > kids keep asking why I sleep so much. I feel the need to sleep

at

> > noonish then my husband comes home to find me asleep again at 6.

> >

> > I go to bed at 10:30ish every day and wake up at 8am. Does

anyone

> > have any suggestions on how to fight/avoid that worn out feeling?

> >

> > Jolynn

> >

>

August 12, 2006

Sue wrote:

>

> bee, wow am i feeling this fatigue and lack of energy. I am on the

diet all the way and i am tired as heck. Also what is it when i wake

up all night long with a sinking feeling and fast heart?

==>Your body is probably running at a high anxiety level because of

candida, and also the treatments; to switch over from the

parasympathetic nervous system to the sympathetic do deep breathing

exercises whenever your heart races - see the Breathing folder.

> I am doing the reflexology and the skin brushing. I am concerned to

try the coffee enema but do you think it would make that much of a

difference?

==>Yes, coffee enemas make a lot of difference!!!

> My stomach is a mess for 2 days now and im trying to eat, i st it

off with come chicken from an italian restaraunt. I wiped off all of

the tomato product and it wasnt breaded or any spices that were

visial; but my stomach got upset immediately and i had a very bad

night with burning.

==>You cannot wipe off products because they are still absorbed into

the meat.

> I did the baking soda n the ginger but nothing helped. Why is

pepto bismal better than malox or mylanta, the antiacids or isnt it?

==>Maalox and mylanta contain aluminum and other substances that are

not good; Pepto bismo is from bismuth, which is a natural treatment

that kills h. pylori - get one that does not contain aluminum. Milk

of Magnesia is also more natural - alternate it with Pepto Bismol

because Pepto causes constipation.

==>You should try having only pureed foods.

Bee

August 24, 2006

Sue wrote:

>

> Ok... i cheated yesterday with a very dear friend who came to

visit and brought what she thought was a safe cake...It didnt have

icening or filling it is so she thought it was safe for me to eat/

I had a very small slice and within 2 hours needed a nap. What

caused that? it's like a drug type of sleep and today i feel kinda

slow n yucky again. How incredibly fast that hit me and i can feel

it still. My mood changed after eating it.

==>You are certainly learning what you cannot eat my friend! What

caused it is candida overgrowing putting out toxins, in addition to

whatever it was in the cake that could have been toxic.

>

> boy oh boy this is not fair! ok... i;ll get over my pity party but

man i cannot believe how i reacted. She then told me she made it

with wheat instead of white flour but used sugar cause it is more

natural than the artifical sweetners.

==>Wheat and all sugars are no-nos for sure. Wheat is a gluten

grain and also a mycotoxin (fungi-type toxins), in addition to be a

grains which turns into sugar in the intestines feeding the yeast.

Re-read my article where it discussed Gluten Grains, and the other

section that discusses Grains and high carb foods.

>

> so another day of recovery under way here. I sur hope it goes by

fast as i have been feeling better for 9 days now and was really

enjoying it.

==>I wish you a speedy recovery.

Bee

August 25, 2006

Sue wrote:

>

> Ok... i cheated yesterday with a very dear friend who came to visit

> and brought what she thought was a safe cake...It didnt have icening

or filling it is so she thought it was safe for me to eat/ I had a

very small slice and within 2 hours needed a nap. What caused that?

==>Sue, it is easy to avoid unsafe foods because any type of " cake " is

going to contain grains and sugar, and all grains & sugars are no-nos

on the candida diet, except for a small amount of stevia as a sweetener.

Bee

September 15, 2006

do you live in a moldy house or area????

Z <monicaz49@...> wrote: Anyone have fatigue/achy

body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering how many

people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote:

I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains, etc.

My health has taken a real dive.

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote:

Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant- until I was

about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how to cope with it

by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well, because I had my tonsils

out when I was 6. They were always enlarged, but not infected- probably a result

of my dairy intolerance. I probably shouldn't have had it at all. It has been

slightly over a year now since I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels

to goat's milk on the test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was

exposed to goat's milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as

well.

Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that would be

tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost out of rice protein,

and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to take the chance spending money

on one I can't tolerate though, so it would really help if you can recommend

one!

Thanks,

Olif

September 15, 2006

absolutely! i started out in horrible shape with aches and wanting to

sleep so much! now i'm not very tired but the first six months of

transition for me was like riding a bull....ups and downs as far as

energy went and the aches, yes! they progressively got so bad i couldn't

stand up in the morning. now i'm fine! crazy what we put ourselves

through for food eh?

Re: fatigue

do you live in a moldy house or area????

Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com> wrote:

Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering

how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains, etc.

My health has taken a real dive.

Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant- until I

was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how to

cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always enlarged,

but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I probably

shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now since

I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk on the

test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to goat's

milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost out

of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to take

the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it would

really help if you can recommend one!

Thanks,

Olif

September 15, 2006

No.

And we are a big household. no one else is sick. Although, my mom and a couple

relatives are a lil bit more fatigued than usual...but no other symptoms.

Today is the first cool day in my area and i notice my body aches so bad, my

fatigue is worse and brain fog is acting up. Does the weather make this crap

flair up??! Im scared ..i was soooo debilitated last fall/winter.