Re: peace

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<< Thank you all for your wonderful replies about my Grandfather. He lost

his battle with leukemia this morning at 12:34 am. He is not in anymore pain

and is at peace.

Take Care,

Amy >>

God be with you Amy, and always remember your grandpa the way he was before

he got sick.

God Bless,

Jan

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Dear Amy,

I'm really sorry for your Grandfather, I'm sure he'll continue looking over

you and your beloved ones from where he is now. If you don't mind, I'll pray

for him as well as for you so that you may find the strength and courage to

go on without feeling too much pain yourself.

I also send you a big hug, hoping you will find confort with your beloved

ones.

Kindest regards.

Natallya.

>Thank you all for your wonderful replies about my Grandfather. He lost his

>battle with leukemia this morning at 12:34 am. He is not in anymore pain

>and is at peace.

>

>Take Care,

>Amy

>

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> Now is the time for us to contact our Senators, Representatives,

(www.berkshire.net/~ifas/activist/index2.html) and especially the

White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact) to let them know that

revenge is not an option - that we want peace.

>

>

>

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I disagree with you, having lived amongst these primitive people I

understand them better than most, they understand the maxim that if you

live by the sword you die by the sword. They have attacked us, we need

to answer this, we need to let them know that our ground is sacred, and

if they violate our fundamental values with their violent ways we will

send them back to Allah on the end of a nuclear warhead!

It is a time for nationalism, rise and support your President like a

true American.

Terry

Peace

Now is the time for us to contact our Senators, Representatives,

(www.berkshire.net/~ifas/activist/index2.html) and especially the White

House ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact) to let them know that revenge

is not an option - that we want peace.

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Terry,

I am in total agreement with you. Unfortunately this will not be resolved

peacefully I am afraid.... I have two children that could go to war.... I am

terrified but also I will be proud to have them go and fight for all

americans.. God be with us all during this brutal time......

Debbie

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I dont believe that for a second

[Guest guest]

,

Get on a cleansing program fast because you are full of it!

Terry

Peace

Don't forget that war is a very big buseness and the tragedy that

happenned yesterday may be attribute by a big organization (like the CIA

or other organizations) and their goal is to manipulate nations. Don't

jump on conclusion so fast.

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I guess your right Terry. The best way is revenge ! If you think like that, I

don't think that your cleaning program is complete for you too! If you don't

beleive that war don't profit to big organizations like the CIA ( billons

dollars) so that's up to you.

You said that you lived amongst these primitive people but I'm sorry to not

believe you. It would be more credible to tell us where you lived.(earth is

immence...) It seems that the only person on this earth who is correct is you.

But It seems also that you are not better than these people you treat

primitive because your mind think like them. Revenge is the only word you have

in your mind.

Peace

Don't forget that war is a very big buseness and the tragedy that

happenned yesterday may be attribute by a big organization (like the CIA

or other organizations) and their goal is to manipulate nations. Don't

jump on conclusion so fast.

[Guest guest]

Villemure made an interesting observations, namely that there are groups

who will profit from the horror in New York:

> I guess your right Terry. The best way is revenge ! If you think like that,

I don't think that your cleaning program is complete for you too! If you don't

beleive that war don't profit to big organizations like the CIA ( billons

dollars) so that's up to you.

>

> You said that you lived amongst these primitive people but I'm sorry to not

believe you. It would be more credible to tell us where you lived.(earth is

immence...) It seems that the only person on this earth who is correct is you.

>

> But It seems also that you are not better than these people you treat

primitive because your mind think like them. Revenge is the only word you have

in your mind.

, here is a column I found on another list that surely supports your

fears...

http://www.counterpunch.org/

September 11, 2001

" Flying Bombs "

Who Saw It Coming?

By Cockburn

and St Clair

Tuesday's onslaughts on the World Trade Center and the

Pentagon are being likened to Pearl Harbor and the

comparison is just. From the point of view of the

assailants the attacks were near miracles of

logistical calculation, timing, courage in execution

and devastation inflicted upon the targets.

The Pearl Harbor base containing America's naval might

was thought to be invulnerable, yet in half an hour

2000 were dead, and the cream of the fleet destroyed.

This week, within an hour on the morning of September

11, security at three different airports was

successfully breached, the crews of four large

passenger jets efficiently overpowered, the cockpits

commandeered, navigation coordinates reset.

In three of the four missions the assailants attained

successes probably far beyond the expectations of the

planners. As a feat of suicidal aviation the Pentagon

kamikaze assault was particularly audacious, with

eyewitness accounts describing the Boeing 767 skimming

the Potomac before driving right through the low lying

Pentagon perimeter, in a sector housing Planning and

Logistics.

The two Trade Center Buildings were struck at what

structural engineers say were the points of maximum

vulnerability. The strength of the buildings derived

entirely from the steel perimeter frame, designed ­ so

its lead architect said only last week - to withstand

the impact of a Boeing 707. These buildings were

struck full force Tuesday morning by Boeing 767s, with

fuel tanks fully loaded for the long flights to the

West Coast. Within an hour of the impacts both

buildings collapsed. By evening, a third 46-story

Trade Center building had also crumbled.

Not in terms of destructive extent, but in terms of

symbolic obliteration the attack is virtually without

historic parallel, a trauma at least as great as the

San Francisco earthquake or the Chicago fire.

There may be another similarity to Pearl Harbor. The

possibility of a Japanese attack in early December of

1941 was known to US Naval Intelligence and to

President Roosevelt. Last Tuesday, derision at the

failure of US intelligence was widespread. The

Washington Post quoted an unnamed top official at the

National Security Council as saying, " We don't know

anything here. We're watching CNN too. " Are we to

believe that the $30 billion annual intelligence

budget, immense electronic eavesdropping capacity,

thousands of agents around the world, produced nothing

in the way of a warning? In fact Osama bin Laden, now

prime suspect, said in an interview three weeks ago

with Abdel-Bari Atwan, the editor of the London-based

al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper, that he planned " very,

very big attacks against American interests. "

Here is bin-Laden, probably the most notorious Islamic

foe of America on the planet, originally trained by

the CIA, planner of other successful attacks on US

installations such as the embassies in East Africa,

carrying a $5 million FBI bounty on his head

proclaiming the imminence of another assault, and US

intelligence was impotent, even though the attacks

must have taken months, if not years to plan, and even

though CNN has reported that bin-Laden and his

coordinating group al-Qa'ida had been using an

airstrip in Afghanistan to train pilots to fly 767s.

Back in the 1960s and 1970s, when hijacking was a

preoccupation, the possibility of air assaults on

buildings such as the Trade Center were a major

concern of US security and intelligence agencies. But

since the 1980s and particularly during the

Clinton-Gore years the focus shifted to more modish

fears, such as bio-chemical assault and nuclear

weapons launched by so-called rogue states. This

latter threat had the allure of justifying the $60

billion investment in Missile Defense aka Star Wars.

One of the biggest proponents of that approach was Al

Gore's security advisor, Leon Fuerth, who wailed

plaintively amid Tuesday's rubble that " In effect the

country's at war but we don't have the coordinates of

the enemy. "

But the lust for retaliation traditionally outstrips

precision in identifying the actual assailant. By

early evening on Tuesday America's national security establishment were

calling for a removal of all impediments on the

assassination of foreign leaders. Led by President

Bush, hey were endorsing the prospect of attacks not

just on the perpetrators but on those who might have

harbored them. From the nuclear priesthood is coming

the demand that mini-nukes be deployed on a preemptive

basis against the enemies of America.

The targets abroad will be all the usual suspects:

rogue states, (most of which, like the Taleban or

Saddam Hussein, started off as creatures of US

intelligence). The target at home will of course be

the Bill of Rights. Less than a week ago the FBI

raided Infocom, the Texas-based web host for Muslim

groups such as the Council on Islamic Relations, the

Islamic Society of North America, the Islamic

Association for Palestine, and the Holy Land

Foundation. Palestinians have been denied visas, and

those in this country can, under the terms of the

CounterTerrorism Act of the Clinton years, be held and

expelled without due process. The explosions of

Tuesday were not an hour old before terror pundits

like Cordesman, Wesley , Gates and

Lawrence Eagleburger were saying that these attacks

had been possible " because America is a democracy "

adding that now some democratic perquisites might have

to be abandoned? What might this mean? Increased

domestic snooping by US law enforcement and

intelligence agencies; ethnic profiling; another drive

for a national ID card system.

Tuesday did not offer a flattering exhibition of

America's leaders. For most of the day the only Bush

who looked composed and control in Washington was

, who happened to waiting to testify on Capitol

Hill. Her husband gave a timid and stilted initial

reaction in Sarasota, Florida, then disappeared for an

hour before resurfacing at Barksdale airbase in

Shreveport, Louisiana, where he gave another flaccid

address with every appearance of bring on

tranquilizers. He was then flown to a bunker in

Nebraska, before someone finally had the wit to

suggest that the best place for an American president

at time of national emergency is the Oval Office.

Other members of the cabinet were equally elusive.

Secretary of State Colin , who has managed to

avoid almost every site of crisis or debate was once

again absent from the scene, in Latin America. Defense

Secretary Rumsfeld remained invisible most of

the day, even though it would have taken him only a

few short steps to get to the Pentagon pressroom and

make some encouraging remarks. When he did finally

appear the substance of his remarks and his demeanor

were even more banal and unprepossessing than those of

his commander in chief. At no point did Vice President

Cheney appear in public. The presidential contenders

did expose themsleves. McCain curdled the air

with threats against America's foes, as did

Kerry, who immediately blamed bin-Laden and who stuck

the knife firmly into CIA director Tenet,

citing Tenet as having told him not long ago that the

CIA had neutralized an impending attack by bin-Laden.

Absent national political leadership, the burden of

rallying the nation fell as usual upon the TV anchors,

all of whom seem to have resolved early on to lower

the emotional temper, though Tom Brokaw did lisp a

declaration of War against Terror. Tuesday's

eyewitness reports of the collapse of the two Trade

Center buildings were not inspired, at least for those

who have heard the famous eyewitness radio reportage

of the crash of the Hindenberg zeppelin in Lakehurst,

New Jersey in 1937 with the anguished cry of the

reporter, " Oh the humanity, the humanity " . Radio and

TV reporters these days seem incapable of narrating an

ongoing event with any sense of vivid language or

dramatic emotive power.

The commentators were similarly incapable of

explaining with any depth the likely context of the

attacks; that these attacks might be the consequence

of the recent Israeli rampages in the Occupied

Territories that have included assassinations of

Palestinian leaders and the slaughter of Palestinian

civilians with the use of American aircraft; that

these attacks might also stem from the sanctions

against Iraq that have seen upward of a million

children die; that these attacks might in part be a

response to US cruise missile attacks on the Sudanese

factories that had been loosely fingered by US

intelligence as connected to bin-Laden.

In fact September 11 was the anniversary of W.

Bush's speech to Congress in 1990, heralding war

against Iraq. It was also the anniversary of the Camp

accords, which signaled the US buy-out of Egypt

as any countervailing force for Palestinian rights in

the Middle East. One certain beneficiary of the

attacks is Israel. Polls had been showing popular

dislike here for Israel's recent tactics, which may

have been the motivation for Colin 's few bleats

of reproof to Israel. We will be hearing no such

bleats in the weeks to come, as Israel's leaders

advise America on how exactly to deal with Muslims.

The attackers probably bet on that too, as a way of

making the US's support for Israeli intransigence even

more explicit, finishing off Arafat in the process.

" Freedom, " said Bush in Sarasota in the first

sentence of his first reaction, " was attacked this

morning by a faceless coward. " That properly

represents the stupidity and blindness of almost all

Tuesday's mainstream political commentary. By

contrast, the commentary on economic consequences was

informative and sophisticated. Worst hit: the

insurance industry. Likely outfall in the short-term:

hiked energy prices, a further drop in global stock

markets. Bush will have no trouble in raiding

the famous lock-box, using Social Security Trust Funds

to give more money to the Defense Department. That

about sums it up. Three planes are successfully

steered into three of America's most conspicuous

buildings and America's response will be to put more

money in missile defense as a way of bolstering the

economy. CP

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> Ohhhh this is just wonderful...so peaceful...I wanted to share it

with you all! debby

> http://dailymotivator.com/memberflash/rightnow.html

Debby,

How very beautiful, thank you.

Joanna

AIH 8/01

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Cam,

We all owe you all of that and more! Thank you so much for getting this group going in the first place! It is just such a comfortable place to be!

Blessings on you and yours! -- Oh, and everyone in the group!

Love,

Carole

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We all owe you all of that and more! Thank you so much for

getting this

> group going in the first place! It is just such a comfortable

place to be!

>

> Blessings on you and yours! -- Oh, and everyone in the group!

>

> Love,

>

> Carole

I DITTO this too!!!!

i havent posted much at all, only in the very beginning of

this new list, but have been having more and more back pains

lately...Doesnt help to have my kids home now too, for

chistmas break! (3 kids, 17yr

old, 9yr old with autism, and a very spunky 4 year old!!! And

my 4yr old put on her Christmas list " for my mom to have a

new body!!! " ....what can ya say to that?? LOL! Plus im a single

mom...)

But, i have been reading each and every post and love to have

all the information. This group has been the best of help and

learning! So, thank you Cam for getting it started and each

and every one of you for being here to help and listen for

everyone else!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...Hopefully our New Years

will be better than pasts....Good Luck to everyone having

the surgery and peace and comfort to all in pain.....

~nancy (43yrs old)

harrington rod in 1975

no revision as of yet....

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Exactly. As we are the rainbow bridges of Light - bridging Heaven and Earth these prayers help us remember.

Love and More Love

From: Annie Wood <godessannie@...>Subject: [] peace"Annie" <anndgriffin@...>Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 2:07 AM

Today's Daily Word - Saturday, March 7, 2009

World Peace

We are unique expressions of love, living as one family of God.

I let the peace of God within me direct my emotions, my speech, and my actions toward my family and friends. I reach out to others with thoughts and expressions of love and peace. Joining with my neighbors and community, I shine inner peace out and into every interaction so that each person I meet will recognize I am a presence of peace.

I move on to envision my country as healthy and whole, abundant and blessed. I include all in my thoughts of peace and goodwill, stretching out beyond my own country into the world, blessing each and every person. I understand that God is the one true source of all good and that divine wisdom and love are uniting the world in peace.

Whatever blessing I desire for myself, I desire also for others, for I am eternally one with God and with the family of God.

"Let us then pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding." --Romans 14:19

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Thank you RR for this message of wisdom.

love

don in ks

From: bucaman@... <bucaman@...>Subject: [ ] peace Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:47 PM

Sand & Stone

TWO FRIENDS WERE WALKING THROUGH THE DESERT. DURING SOME POINT OF THE JOURNEY, THEY HAD AN ARGUMENT; AND ONE FRIEND SLAPPED THE OTHER ONE IN THE FACE.

THE ONE WHO GOT SLAPPED WAS HURT, BUT WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING, WROTE IN THE SAND 'TODAY MY BEST FRIEND SLAPPED ME IN THE FACE' THEY KEPT ON WALKING, UNTIL THEY FOUND AN OASIS, WHERE THEY DECIDED TO TAKE A BATH . THE ONE WHO HAD BEEN SLAPPED GOT STUCK IN THE MIRE! AND STARTED DROWNING, BUT THE FRIEND SAVED HIM. AFTER HE RECOVERED FROM THE NEAR DROWNING, HE WROTE ON A STONE: 'TODAY MY BEST FRIEND SAVED MY LIFE' THE FRIEND WHO HAD SLAPPED AND SAVED HIS BEST FRIEND ASKED HIM, 'AFTER I HURT YOU, YOU WROTE IN THE SAND AND NOW, YOU WRITE ON A STONE, WHY?' THE FRIEND REPLIED 'WHEN SOMEONE HURTS US WE SHOULD WRITE IT DOWN IN SAND, WHERE WINDS OF FORGIVENESS CAN ERASE IT AWAY.. BUT, WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING GOOD FOR US, WE MUST ENGRAVE IT IN STONE WHERE NO WIND CAN EVER ERASE IT' LEARN TO WRITE YOUR HURTS IN THE SAND AND TO CARVE

YOUR BENEFITS IN STONE. THEY SAY IT TAKES A MINUTE TO FIND A SPECIAL PERSON, AN HOUR TO APPRECIATE THEM.