Guest guest Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Thanks for the update, Sandi! Sounds like progress is being made. > Yesterday I started to take the liquid zeolite and > although I did 11 drops throughout the day I noticed no effect. Wow, 11 drops and no effect! I was ready to crawl out of my skin with just one drop of NCD (liquid zeolite). I eventually settled on an initial daily dose of 0.25 drops, and after a period of 3 months was able to build up to a toleance of 2 drops. However, during that time I noticed no improvement of anything -- just side effects. So I stopped taking it. (I find that I react/benefit more with NDF for detox) > PS. In defense of the filters I installed them more than a month ago and > my sleep improved and my sleep has remained improved since. No need to defend them -- they work for some people, and for others they don't. Good to hear that they are working for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however. One sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate the virus for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with mushroom tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system. Two days on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight boost of energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have experience with taking the zeolite? > Thanks for the update, Sandi! Sounds like progress is > being made. > > > Yesterday I started to take the liquid zeolite and > > although I did 11 drops throughout the day I noticed no effect. > > Wow, 11 drops and no effect! I was ready to crawl out of my skin > with just one drop of NCD (liquid zeolite). I eventually settled > on an initial daily dose of 0.25 drops, and after a period of 3 > months was able to build up to a toleance of 2 drops. However, > during that time I noticed no improvement of anything -- just > side effects. So I stopped taking it. > > (I find that I react/benefit more with NDF for detox) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 If the zeolite is scientifically proven to work, then you should give it time, if there are alot of metals to be removed then I imagine it is unlikely that there is any treatment that will remove them almost instantly. > > I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however. One > sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate the virus > for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with mushroom > tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system. Two days > on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight boost of > energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have experience > with taking the zeolite? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 > > > > I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however. One > > sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate the > virus > > for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with > mushroom > > tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system. Two > days > > on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight boost > of > > energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have > experience > > with taking the zeolite? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I used NDF (<www.bioray2000.com>); it workedfor me. No side effects. I've heard from others, same. It's the oldest of this type, and I would not use the later stuff like NCD. All the other chelators seem to have problems associated with them. > > > > > > I cannot do the sun chlorella or any chlorella very well however. > One > > > sun chlorella and my upper lip turns red and seems to activate > the > > virus > > > for cold sores. Also I crave sweets with the chlorella and with > > mushroom > > > tinctures which are supposed to be great for the immune system. > Two > > days > > > on the zeolite and notice no difference except perhaps a slight > boost > > of > > > energy? Can you send me a link to the NDF? Anyone else have > > experience > > > with taking the zeolite? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 skrzn wrote: > I used NDF (<www.bioray2000.com>); it workedfor me. No side effects. > I've heard from others, same. > It's the oldest of this type, and I would not use the later stuff like NCD. I've also used NDF, however, I had to be careful with the dosage to limit side effects. And with my limited dosage, it took a long time to see progress (months/years)... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 > > I used NDF (<www.bioray2000.com>); it workedfor me. No side effects. > > I've heard from others, same. > > It's the oldest of this type, and I would not use the later stuff like NCD. > > I've also used NDF, however, I had to be careful with the dosage to > limit side effects. And with my limited dosage, it took a long time > to see progress (months/years)... > > Marc > A few questions for both of you, and anyone else who has done a successful detox. were you using or around computers, TVs, radios etc alot when you took these things and if so did your symptoms get worse while detoxing? did you both have the ringing in the head symptom which is associated with mercury? did you have aching and bloodshot eyes when your ES was bad? Were your blood/brain barriers were letting bad stuff through whilst you were taking them or did you take somehting to help stop this (if their is something)? do you think it is safe for people with ES to take these without taking other things, because I remember briefly reading one site where about 7 or 8 different products were recommended to strenghten the body before detox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 > were you using or around computers, TVs, radios etc alot when you took > these things and if so did your symptoms get worse while detoxing? With NDF, each dose is most active for a period of about 3-4 hours. I try to avoid large amounts of EMF during this period, as EMF will stir up the heavy metals even more (and yes, make you feel worse) > did you both have the ringing in the head symptom which is associated > with mercury? I had ringing in the ears from time to time... > did you have aching and bloodshot eyes when your ES was bad? I had bloodshot eyes a lot of the time... as for aching, I guess I had stiff muscles, but I associated that with my posture while using the computer. > Were your blood/brain barriers were letting bad stuff through whilst > you were taking them or did you take somehting to help stop this (if > their is something)? NDF is actually supposed to target the nervous system more than other chelators do, so I suppose it was getting through this " barrier " . I also took the Microhydrin/Mega-H/Megahydrate antioxidant several hours after taking NDF, which I believed to " clean up " any heavy metals that the NDF may have stirred up but not removed (I base this on my symptoms pre/post) > do you think it is safe for people with ES to take these without taking > other things, because I remember briefly reading one site where about 7 > or 8 different products were recommended to strenghten the body before > detox. One of the things you should probably do before taking things like these is get the metal dental fillings removed by a holistic dentist. And yes, there are all sorts of things that you can take or do to strengthen your liver, kidneys, colon, etc., and depending on the condition you are in, you may or may not need to do some of this first. did, for a period of about 9 months, but in hindsight I wish that I had started with the metal detox sooner -- but it took me 9 months to accept that I had a metal problem! :-) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 > > > > A few questions for both of you, and anyone else who has done a > successful detox. > > were you using or around computers, TVs, radios etc alot when you took > these things and if so did your symptoms get worse while detoxing? No. I was living in a full size converted Chevy van in the Sonoran desert; the only electrosmog source was the controller for the solar charging system - it was about 18 inches from my head as I slept. I don't know how much emf it puts out, or what frequencies. > > did you both have the ringing in the head symptom which is associated > with mercury? I had more ringing in the ears than now, now it's only one ear. > > did you have aching and bloodshot eyes when your ES was bad? No. > > Were your blood/brain barriers were letting bad stuff through whilst > you were taking them or did you take somehting to help stop this (if > their is something)? I don't know. I am one of the apparently very rare people who change their diet easily and without much thought. This fixes lots of things. " Let your food be your medicine, and let your medicine be your food " Hippocrates, ca 500BC. Beware supplements - mostly cause unwanted reactions. > > do you think it is safe for people with ES to take these without taking > other things, because I remember briefly reading one site where about 7 > or 8 different products were recommended to strenghten the body before > detox. Yes. I felt better while I was taking NDF - this is supposed to be a common experience according to the Bioray2000 website. Please keep in mind that people commonly react to something in their diet, and don't know it, so it's probably not the NDF that's causing bad feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 dear friends, six years of being disabled with a myriad of chronic illnesses, but since october, i've been too ill to type memos or even read most memos. this buhner group has been my lifeline since it started, and even these memos i had to stop reading. i've had to let go of responding to emails, even from dear friends (sorry, ellen). while my attitude is still chipper, body functions are not. major relapse end of sept (signs point to another re-infection of lyme--the fourth time!!), and still not recovering. too long story for me to type. i'm in bed for about 18+ hours a day, sleeping about 12-14 hours ... profound fatigue, pain, lots of new symptoms to puzzle over. can't drive at all now. typing triggers much pain, so have to use copy-paste and just not email, can't even use phone calls much except to talk with doc. just this much type and my shoulder is burning in pain now ... yet the events of this last month have inspired me to share with you--see next memos (which i assembled slowly over last couple weeks). breathing in ever-expanding appreciation, breathing out ever-deepening gratitude, with boundless love, kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Very sorry to hear you have had such a downturn, Kendra. Hope you can get a real handle on it soon. Jim. ### kendra <kendraz@...> wrote: dear friends, six years of being disabled with a myriad of chronic illnesses, but since october, i've been too ill to type memos or even read most memos. this buhner group has been my lifeline since it started, and even these memos i had to stop reading. i've had to let go of responding to emails, even from dear friends (sorry, ellen). while my attitude is still chipper, body functions are not. major relapse end of sept (signs point to another re-infection of lyme--the fourth time!!), and still not recovering. too long story for me to type. i'm in bed for about 18+ hours a day, sleeping about 12-14 hours ... profound fatigue, pain, lots of new symptoms to puzzle over. can't drive at all now. typing triggers much pain, so have to use copy-paste and just not email, can't even use phone calls much except to talk with doc. just this much type and my shoulder is burning in pain now ... yet the events of this last month have inspired me to share with you--see next memos (which i assembled slowly over last couple weeks). breathing in ever-expanding appreciation, breathing out ever-deepening gratitude, with boundless love, kendra --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 I think you have got it right Penny, we have to be the tortoise, not the hare. Imagine an egg and spoon race where if you drop the egg you have to start at the beginning again. So those who try to run too fast too soon will drop the egg and find themselves right back where they started. Those who walk slowly and patiently will get to the finish line. Think of someone who has been imprisoned and starved for years and is completely emaciated would their bodies be able to take a three course meal immediately or would they have to be fed a little at a time and with the foods their bodies could cope with until they are back to normal. Lilian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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