cryptolepis?Dr appt tomorrow! need decisions!

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Help! I have a Dr appt tomorrow, i have babesia symptoms since my lyme is

waning, and i need to DECIDE NOW what to ask for tommorrow! What Does BUHNER

say about Cryptolepis? It's not in my book! I guess i have an older version.

I had to do something-- my urine was dark for 3 weeks, my local MD

wouldn't give me malaria drugs because he says he doesn't know much about it, my

test results from Fry labs haven't come in yet, --- so a couple of days ago i

started ENULA and Artemesia annua, and today a bottle of cryptolepis arrived.

So how do i take it?

Is it all right to take those 3 concurrently?-- Cryptolepis, Enula

(Cowden protocol), and Artemisia annua? Do i need to add Malarone, Mepron, etc?

I've ordered Artemisinin. I take bee pollen, propolis, and cardamom, and neem.

(Does bee pollen really kill babesia and lyme cysts as Selma informs us?) Any

info you can give NOW is welcome--- maybe it's all availbable if i search....

Thanks!

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Go to the planetthrive website -he talks about cryptolepsis there. I

don't think it is in his book. I bought my copy only 6 months ago and

he only talks about artemisinin + red root and boneset for babesia.

At planetthrive he says you should take crypto instead of art, as art

causes problems for too many people. I don't get the impression you

should do both at once.

Be Well,

BB/Ellen

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> Help! I have a Dr appt tomorrow, i have babesia symptoms since my

lyme is waning, and i need to DECIDE NOW what to ask for tommorrow!

What Does BUHNER say about Cryptolepis? It's not in my book! I guess

i have an older version.

> I had to do something-- my urine was dark for 3 weeks, my

local MD wouldn't give me malaria drugs because he says he doesn't

know much about it, my test results from Fry labs haven't come in yet,

--- so a couple of days ago i started ENULA and Artemesia annua, and

today a bottle of cryptolepis arrived. So how do i take it?

> Is it all right to take those 3 concurrently?--

Cryptolepis, Enula (Cowden protocol), and Artemisia annua? Do i need

to add Malarone, Mepron, etc? I've ordered Artemisinin. I take bee

pollen, propolis, and cardamom, and neem. (Does bee pollen really kill

babesia and lyme cysts as Selma informs us?) Any info you can give

NOW is welcome--- maybe it's all availbable if i search.... Thanks!

>

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> Help! I have a Dr appt tomorrow, i have babesia symptoms since my

lyme is waning, and i need to DECIDE NOW what to ask for tommorrow!

What Does BUHNER say about Cryptolepis? It's not in my book! I guess

i have an older version.

> I had to do something-- my urine was dark for 3 weeks, my

local MD wouldn't give me malaria drugs because he says he doesn't

know much about it, my test results from Fry labs haven't come in yet,

--- so a couple of days ago i started ENULA and Artemesia annua, and

today a bottle of cryptolepis arrived. So how do i take it?

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Hi,

I've been on crypto for a week and intend to stay on it for another

week; the dose is one teaspoon x3 daily. SB advises a course of it for

10 to 14 days, as it's relatively untried, though I think one or two

people are taking it more long-term I start Mepron tomorrow, so there

will be some overlap.

I can't answer about interactions, but it seems a bit of an overkill

to take the abx and all 3 anti-babs herbs at once: you could see how

you get on with the enula and artemisia for 30 to 40 days [which I

think is SB's suggested length of time for artemisia and then follow

up with the crypto if necessary,

Carolyn

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It may not be " overkill " to do herbs and abx--depends on your sx and

health--also Buhner himself lists many of the herbs he suggests as " synergistic

with abx " meaning they boost their power and balance them as well!!! a more

direct meaning would be " works well together "

For many its not an all or nothing/ herbs vs abx--many start with both and then

slowly as they improve lessen the abx...remember that many of the actives in

herbs are NO different than actives in " drugs " ..theyre a bit more natural and

less processed and combined with other supportive ingredients as nature intended

for the package; but saying no herbs with abx is like saying you cant combine

herbs either.

and some may need the abx even as the herbs are working!!

I think all of the plans--herbs alone or with abx, abx first then herbs, etc may

work but differently for each case..the main thing IMHO is to find the right

plan for YOU

Finette

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You summed it well in the end. WHAT is BEST for YOU!

I found the abx just made me worse, whereas the herbs helped right from the

start, as long as I stayed with Buhner's protocols and didn't mix others in.

When I did mix in others I got in trouble.

So Buhner's is best for ME. And many others. But each will have to

experiment some and find out what is best.

Remember abx destroys, and herbs for the most part build up.

In this build up of your immune system, you are able to capitilize on what

the body takes out of the herbs. If you just try to use killer herbs, and

overdo it like so many do, you will be in trouble. The body can only take so

much die off and still handle it. We don't just have bad things in our bodies

from Lyme and it's coinfections, but from most of the foods we eat and drink and

the air we breathe too.

Although Buhner for the most part is dead set against abx, he doe realize that

some people are in such bad shape from not doing anything for years, that they

do need both abx and herbs, at least for awhile, together.

Each person has to decide for themselves. However when first starting to

treat, they are at a loss for what to do and are scared. Understandable.

But there are very few " drugs " out there that do not have bad side effects. I

do not class herbs with " drugs " . I am talking manmade concoctions.

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Jim.

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FinRussak@... wrote:

It may not be " overkill " to do herbs and abx--depends on your sx and

health--also Buhner himself lists many of the herbs he suggests as " synergistic

with abx " meaning they boost their power and balance them as well!!! a more

direct meaning would be " works well together "

For many its not an all or nothing/ herbs vs abx--many start with both and then

slowly as they improve lessen the abx...remember that many of the actives in

herbs are NO different than actives in " drugs " ..theyre a bit more natural and

less processed and combined with other supportive ingredients as nature intended

for the package; but saying no herbs with abx is like saying you cant combine

herbs either.

and some may need the abx even as the herbs are working!!

I think all of the plans--herbs alone or with abx, abx first then herbs, etc may

work but differently for each case..the main thing IMHO is to find the right

plan for YOU

Finette

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> It may not be " overkill " to do herbs and abx--depends on your sx and

health--also Buhner himself lists many of the herbs he suggests as

" synergistic with abx " meaning they boost their power and balance them

as well!!! a more direct meaning would be " works well together "

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Hi Finette,

I agree!

Just to clarify, when I used the expression 'overkill', I was not

referring to using herbs and abx together, which B says is

fine and which I am doing myself at present. I meant that starting 3

herbs [ artemisia, Enula and cryptolepis, especially as crypto is

quite strong in itself] and abx for babesia all more or less at once

may be overwhelming and may make it difficult to tell which is helping

or hindering. So far as the herbs are concerned, SB suggests trying

artemisia and then crypto if it doesn't work. Enula, of course, is a

Nutramedix product from Dr Cowden's protocol hat looks interesting ,as

it's aimed at treating babesia and microscopic worms, I understand.

Has anybody here tried it yet?

regards,

Carolyn