natural treatment

[Guest guest]

hi

i am trying to treat a first stage infection.

i took three weeks of oral doxy and had some increased fatigue after

and still have a stiff neck (since 2 days after original bite.)

the below reccomendations are all based on either direct instructions

from LLMD or from lyme reccomendations on the net. they all are

indicated as possible bactericides.

currently i am using this protocol (this is the order-use water to

your needs with each- wait a little to your tolerance between each

successive substance):

(this regime is repeated twice per day-it is important to start on

empty stomach-certainly for the H202.)

increasing doses of H202 on empty stomach (currently 5 drops of 35%

food grade each time)

than grapefruit seed extract 25 drops with 2 capsules of olive leaf extract

than 2 cloves of fresh garlic crushed and minced -wait 2 iminutes for

allicin to develop- than take and chew briefly

and wash into stomach

oil of oregano 5 drops mixed with olive oil on teaspoon and than held

under tongue and finally washed down with water.

--

sincerely

william meyer

[Guest guest]

>hi deanna

here is my repost of a routine that can be done once or twice a day

on an empty stomach.

>the below reccomendations are all based on either direct instructions

>from LLMD or from lyme reccomendations on the net. they all are

>indicated as possible bactericides. the H202 is controversial, but

>it is interesting that a few reports

have claimed arthritis cure. nevertheless, H202 is used by our own

body to attack viruses and bacteria.

it is actually injected into some peoples bloodstreams directly as a

therapy at certain clinics.

so far i have not read anyone that has studied and analysed the

chemistry of oral H202 as it interacts with the body.

I am also advised of the possiblity of Sarsparilla as a possible

treatment. this is based on it's use for syphilus before the 19th

century.

>currently i am using this protocol (this is the order-use water to

>your needs with each- wait a little to your tolerance between each

>successive substance):

>

>(this regime is repeated twice per day-it is important to start on

>empty stomach for the H202.)

>increasing doses of H202 on empty stomach (currently 5 drops of 35%

>food grade each time -add one more drop each day as to tolerance)

>than grapefruit seed extract 25 drops with 2 capsules of olive leaf extract

>than 2 cloves of fresh garlic crushed and minced -wait 2 iminutes for

>allicin to develop- than take and chew briefly

>and wash into stomach

>oil of oregano 5 drops mixed with olive oil on teaspoon and than held

>under tongue and finally washed down with water.

>--

>sincerely

>william meyer

>

--

sincerely

william meyer

[Guest guest]

Hello :

You wrote about the natural treatment that you are currently undergoing with

H2O2 olive oil oregano and other ingredients.

Could you advise the results of this treatment? Perhaps it is too early to

tell. Did you have Lyme in the Ceberal Spinal Fluid?

I am very interested in the treatment, especially if it works. I am loosing

hope in prescription medicines.

I have heard of a treatment using the following ingredients:

Black walnut green hull tinture

Cloves

Wormwood

The BWGH tinture is a liquid and the other two items are in pill form and can

be obtained from a health speciality company in Colorado. The period for

taking this treatment is for 60 days and is supposed to eliminate all

parasites. I suppose for long term Lyme you would need to repeat the process

for a longer period as the Lyme bacteria keep coming out of the cell walls.

With best wishes.

Sidney

North Brunswick, NJ

[Guest guest]

I'm planning to try using fresh olive leaves (they grow around here)

and Bee Sting Therapy pretty soon here. I'll be adding them to my

antibiotics. I heard that olive leaf extract would interfere with

the action of antibiotics. I called the east park company which

seemed to be one of the favored and respected brands (just an

impression) to ask about this. The guy on the phone said that it is

true and he would tell me exactly why. Great, I was thinking, this

is the guy I need to talk to! Then he said that the OLE would attack

and " kill " the antibiotics. I thought he meant that it would bind it

or break it down or something, but he stuck to the killing thing.

But antibiotics aren't alive I said. And he said that they " are live

viral vaccines " . Huh? I get the feeling that the science on this is

real underdeveloped. I called another manufacturer and they said

that they didn't know of any study actually showing that OLE

interfered with ABX, but that they would recommend taking them at

different times of the day. That is what I plan to do.

I have been told, also, that doing ABX and bee venom therapy

together isn't a good idea. When I've asked why, most of the answers

seem to be along the lines of " all natural things goooooddd " " all

drugs baaaaaad " mindset. If anyone has anything to say about mixing

these things with antibiotics, I'm interested.

It's hard for me to believe that no one on this list has

tried bee venom, although, I guess it is a big leap to make stinging

yourself with bees. I won't be starting again until I get my own

hive (hopefully soon). I used to buy the bees mailorder, that's ok,

but inconvenient and it is just another expense when already buying

ABX. There is a protocol to this, so don't run out and start

catching bees! If interested, a good place to start is

http://apitherapy.org/

E.

>Hello :

>

>You wrote about the natural treatment that you are currently undergoing with

>H2O2 olive oil oregano and other ingredients.

>

>Could you advise the results of this treatment? Perhaps it is too early to

>tell. Did you have Lyme in the Ceberal Spinal Fluid?

>

>I am very interested in the treatment, especially if it works. I am loosing

>hope in prescription medicines.

>

>I have heard of a treatment using the following ingredients:

>

>Black walnut green hull tinture

>

>Cloves

>

>Wormwood

>

>The BWGH tinture is a liquid and the other two items are in pill form and can

>be obtained from a health speciality company in Colorado. The period for

>taking this treatment is for 60 days and is supposed to eliminate all

>parasites. I suppose for long term Lyme you would need to repeat the process

>for a longer period as the Lyme bacteria keep coming out of the cell walls.

>

>With best wishes.

>

>Sidney

>North Brunswick, NJ

[Guest guest]

>hi sidney

You wrote

> " about the natural treatment that you are currently undergoing with

>H2O2 olive oil oregano and other ingredients.

>Could you advise the results of this treatment? Perhaps it is too early to

>tell. Did you have Lyme in the Ceberal Spinal Fluid? "

********sidney, i am not a chronic case. i had initiial sumptoms and

21 days of oral Doxy. I still have some issues with a stiff neck. it

has been about 2 1/2 months since the bite. I did not have EM rash.

I have no markers to measure the results of my treatment. I have an

appt, with LLMD in august and I expect to get the best test for Lime

before that.

however, the stories of suffering that many posters have -and the

heavy medications that some are on- cause me to encourage all with

chronic conditions to change their life-style to support their bodies

complete health.

there is obviously a point where these powerful synthetic drugs are

creating too much of a strain on their systems.

Bluntly, rather than live with these worsening conditions, it would

be preferable in my mind to take as radical a tact as possible to try

and reestablish a balance in our bodies and our relationship to the

natural world.

the " natural world " as i describe it means a recognition of our place

as citizens of our planets ecology and the speific relationship of

our bodies and spirit to it.

on some level i believe that " god " does not intend for us to be

overcome with lyme or these various other " plagues " . there are many

syndromes today that indicate a large imbalance in our relationship

with ourselves, society, and our encironment.

i suppose i am suggesting that we all must stand naked before god and

establish an authentic relationship where we attempt to have a one to

one relationship. to do this we must move away from just adopting the

prevailing attitudes and beliefs of those men and woman around us and

establish our own judgement under " god. "

relying on others to take care of ourselves -i just can't do it. it

seems we have more effect on our lives -in any chronic spiritual,

physical, or mental condition than any of our advisors and

intermediaries have.

so let us concentrate on our part and be brave and faithful with ourselves.

when we are fearful and upset, let us look to our own efforts to make

our condition better. let us not forget or discount who we are and

the miracle of our being.

spiritually, lyme is not our master. god is our master.

>

>

--

sincerely

william meyer

[Guest guest]

hi steven

after so many years of seriously querying salesmen and " authorities "

of the underlying rationale of

their methods i have to laugh at your description.

i hope that if i ever have a direct conversation with god I don't end

up with, " Huh? " as my reaction.

but god gave me my sense of humor and hopefully " he " will get a good laugh.

if not, i " ll still stick with my sense of humor.

>I'm planning to try using fresh olive leaves (they grow around here)

>and Bee Sting Therapy pretty soon here. I'll be adding them to my

>antibiotics. I heard that olive leaf extract would interfere with

>the action of antibiotics. I called the east park company which

>seemed to be one of the favored and respected brands (just an

>impression) to ask about this. The guy on the phone said that it is

>true and he would tell me exactly why. Great, I was thinking, this

>is the guy I need to talk to! Then he said that the OLE would attack

>and " kill " the antibiotics. I thought he meant that it would bind it

>or break it down or something, but he stuck to the killing thing.

>But antibiotics aren't alive I said. And he said that they " are live

>viral vaccines " . Huh?

>

--

sincerely

william meyer

[Guest guest]

>

>********sidney, i am not a chronic case. i had initiial sumptoms and

>21 days of oral Doxy. I still have some issues with a stiff neck. it

>has been about 2 1/2 months since the bite. I did not have EM rash.

>I have no markers to measure the results of my treatment. I have an

>appt, with LLMD in august and I expect to get the best test for Lime

>before that.

>however, the stories of suffering that many posters have -and the

>heavy medications that some are on- cause me to encourage all with

>chronic conditions to change their life-style to support their bodies

>complete health.

>there is obviously a point where these powerful synthetic drugs are

>creating too much of a strain on their systems.

>Bluntly, rather than live with these worsening conditions, it would

>be preferable in my mind to take as radical a tact as possible to try

>and reestablish a balance in our bodies and our relationship to the

>natural world.

: I wish you luck and keep us informed, but I have to say that

I think you should probably be on antibiotics still. Powerful

synthetic drugs have done a lot for me. Objectively, my Natural

Killer cell count went way up. Subjectively, I feel better in many

ways. Most lyme patients eventually feel better on them and that is

what we are always trying to convince our non-LLMD's of. A fear of

ABX is part of why I'm here. My doctor started panicking after 2

weeks of dicloxicillin (sp?) and 6 weeks of doxicycline. As for

lifestyle changes, it can only be good to live physically and

emotionally healthy lives, but I don't believe that can cover all

eventualities. We're dealing with some complex biological organism

that wants to survive too. Why should we win and it lose? It's a

war. Negotiations are not an option. We try to supply our side with

the best troops and munitions possible to kill the enemy and regain

our territory for good. Some of the weapons are destructive to us

too (friendly fire?). We may never find the neutron bomb that only

kills the bad guys. Nature is ultimately indifferent. There is a

harmonious aspect to a harmonious relationship with nature, but there

is also a rugged brutal one. And ultimately the two are the same.

We just see it one way or the other depending on which end of the

stick we're getting. That's how I see it anyway.

E.

Preparing new troops and munitions and trying to keep the battlefield

healthy and happy :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Again Mickey,

I am sorry you have had to go through that............The first thing

that comes to mind is the research on using iodine as a supplement to

prevent breast cancer - since iodine is one of the building blocks of

thyroid hormone it seem that there must be a connection. Here is the

link for that article:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl1a.htm

I also believe that it is important to gives both main types of thyroid

hormone (T4 and T3) and if you really need it all 4 types (incl T1 and

T2) which is pretty much only available in Armour. It can be a bit of an

ordeal and a puzzle to work out what you need but with patience and

persistence you can.

Over time after many blood tests and from observing my health using a

health log....I discovered that my body does not make much T4 but it

does some converting T4 to T3. This means that I need to supplement

nearly all of my T4 requirements - currently I take 200mcg and just some

of my T3 because my body is converting some for me. So I take 60mcg of

time release T3 per day. I can tell this from my tests because my Free

T4 rarely gets to the top of the scale whereas my free T3 is mostly over

the top of the range. So I can see that I am getting plenty of T3 but

only just enough T4. I do not take Armour because I react slightly to

something in it - I could take it if I had to but the synthetics suit me

better.

IMO your free T values need to be at the top or over the range before

you will feel decent. That is the case for me anyway.

And of course there is the whole issue of diet and supplements - how is

your eating and what vitamins etc do you take?

hope we can help,

Kerry

RE: Opinions Please

Hi Mickey,

the important thing to know about any hormone you take, be it thyroid or

otherwise is that is it bio-identical - i.e. molecule is identical to

the one that is produced in the body. I agree that natural is a

misleading term.

However I'm not sure I agree with Chuck's sweeping assertions that

nature has it in for those of us who are hormonally challenged - nature

gave us brains , and that is what we here on these boards are using to

ensure our survival...so I don't agree that what we are doing here is

unnatural - far from it - perhaps more supernatural!!!!! LOL

To gat back to the point I use bio-identical synthetic T4 and synthetic

T3 - and they work well for me - in my case my body has a problem

producing enough T4 but is not so bad at converting so I find that the

ratio I need is 5 times T4 to T3 whereas other do better on four times

or even less.

Do you have any other reasons to change from Synthroid Mickey?

regards,

Kerry>