Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Hi, I was wondering, before it was mentioned that the church of Illumination, and the church of christian Science both are against Vaccines, does any one know of any others? In the state of Mo. I am pretty sure that theyre " religious " exemption, is Organised religion, I have heard both ways, but when I did the research on my own I read that at this point it is only by organised religion, and it said that it excepts 13 religions, I am trying to learn what these 13 are, and what they consist of, I have done a little research on the church of christian Science, I am curious about the church of Illumination, does anyone have info on this? or a web link? If anyone knows anyting about what the 13 religions are, or the church of Illumination, I appreciate it, thanks. **~Candece LaNell~** ``*''``*''``*''``*''``*''``*'' Mommy2Will Wife2 ~~~~~~~~~~~ WORK AT HOME! <A HREF= " http://teamideals.com/show.cgi?id=11600 " >Team Concepts</A> Also: Unlimited flat rate long distance, ask me about it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 In a message dated 1/28/01 8:16:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, moira@... writes: << I heard Jehovah Witness is, too..?? >> Jehovah Witnesses that knock on my door vaccinate their children, and will ARGUE you down about how they protect us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 A lady I used to work with is a Jehova's witness, and she just had a little boy a few weeks ago - after we had spoken she decided against vaccinations, esspecially the ones made with aborted tissue. She had no idea that they were made this way. Chelly San Diego, CA Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 I heard Jehovah Witness is, too..?? At 08:01 PM 1/28/01 EST, you wrote: >Hi, I was wondering, before it was mentioned that the church of Illumination, >and the church of christian Science both are against Vaccines, does any one >know of any others? In the state of Mo. I am pretty sure that theyre > " religious " exemption, is Organised religion, I have heard both ways, but >when I did the research on my own I read that at this point it is only by >organised religion, and it said that it excepts 13 religions, I am trying to >learn what these 13 are, and what they consist of, I have done a little >research on the church of christian Science, I am curious about the church of >Illumination, does anyone have info on this? or a web link? If anyone knows >anyting about what the 13 religions are, or the church of Illumination, I >appreciate it, thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Same with ones I know... Sharon, Quakertown PA Re: Religion > In a message dated 1/28/01 8:16:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, moira@... > writes: > > << I heard Jehovah Witness is, too..?? >> > Jehovah Witnesses that knock on my door vaccinate their children, and will > ARGUE you down about how they protect us! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Thanks, Chelly! You are right. Again, many don't KNOW the dangers of the shots. If they did, then maybe they wouldn't. One thing I have noticed on this list is that some are so incredibly judgmental. It must be nice to be so perfect! K ~Kerin~ Mom of Four~ *When you tend a rose, my lad, A thistle cannot grow* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 In a message dated 1/29/01 7:47:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Batwing30@... writes: << Thanks, Chelly! You are right. Again, many don't KNOW the dangers of the shots. If they did, then maybe they wouldn't. One thing I have noticed on this list is that some are so incredibly judgmental. It must be nice to be so perfect! K >> Read my previous post and stop starting trouble. I don't judge any of you and I don't appreciate being attacked and " judged " everytime I decide to post something on this list. If the majority of you have a problem with me being on this list, I will politely leave it. , NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 You, know comments like this really aren't appreciated on a list such as this. We are here to help and support each other. If you have a problem with something someone has said, write them personally, Thank you. Sheri co-moderator At 07:44 AM 01/29/2001 EST, you wrote: >Thanks, Chelly! You are right. Again, many don't KNOW the dangers of the > One thing I have noticed on > It must be nice to be >so perfect! >K > >~Kerin~ >Mom of Four~ >*When you tend a rose, my lad, >A thistle cannot grow* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 With our religious exemption I implied that we were pagans. We do not belong to any particular church but this is what I found that I could mold to what I believed. This way I did not have to be a certified member of a church. I said that we believed in survival of the fittest and that nature would heal if it was meant to be. natalie queens, ny _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 and sarcastic...that's a christian attitude... Sharon, Quakertown PA Re: Religion Thanks, Chelly! You are right. Again, many don't KNOW the dangers of the shots. If they did, then maybe they wouldn't. One thing I have noticed on this list is that some are so incredibly judgmental. It must be nice to be so perfect! K ~Kerin~ Mom of Four~ *When you tend a rose, my lad, A thistle cannot grow* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 In a message dated 1/29/01 9:03:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, ietinc@... writes: and sarcastic...that's a christian attitude... Christian does not equal perfect! Christian equals HUMAN which equals IMPERFECT! (which we all are, unfortunately, right?) ~Kerin~ Mom of Four~ *When you tend a rose, my lad, A thistle cannot grow* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 In a message dated 1/29/01 10:13:30 AM Central Standard Time, Mz@... writes: << Read my previous post and stop starting trouble. I don't judge any of you and I don't appreciate being attacked and " judged " everytime I decide to post something on this list. If the majority of you have a problem with me being on this list, I will politely leave it. >> I dont have a problem with anyone on the list, I am learning everyday from everyone, please dont leave, this was actually my fault for starting the whole " religion " topic, Im sorry. **~Candece LaNell~** Wife to Mommy to Will ~1-16-00 WORK AT HOME!! <A HREF= " http://teamideals.com/show.cgi?id=11600 " >Team Concepts</A> Also: Unlimited flat rate long distance, ask me about it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 In a message dated 1/30/01 11:53:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, candylanell@... writes: this was actually my fault for starting the whole "religion" topic, Im sorry. Don't be sorry! I am actually bracing myself for this whole topic in a few months when I register my son for Kindergarten and claim a religious objection. There is a well known chiropractor in town who has claimed them with his son (he is not a Jehovah's Witness but of another faith, I am not sure which one) and he has been a great support to parents trying to use the religious objection for their kids. I plan on calling him and finding out how it has been for him and his son since his son is in the same school system as my son will be going to. K ~Kerin~ Mom of Four~ *When you tend a rose, my lad, A thistle cannot grow* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 In a message dated 1/30/01 11:53:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, candylanell@... writes: << I dont have a problem with anyone on the list, I am learning everyday from everyone, please dont leave, this was actually my fault for starting the whole " religion " topic, Im sorry. **~Candece LaNell~** >> Candece, religious exemptions are a very important part of the vaccination issue, something I feel should be discussed and information shared. How could we not talk about it? The religious exemption is all many can afford to claim in the absence of a philosophical exemption in many states. , NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 In a message dated 1/30/01 12:36:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, bluheron@... writes: << I don't have a problem, I have stuck my foot in my mouth a few times, not indicating you have, and the people here are forgiving....we are human and do human things. >> I hold no hard feelings and have done nothing to be forgiven for. However, I happen to be very forgiving as well , NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 In a message dated 1/30/01 11:19:39 AM Central Standard Time, Batwing30@... writes: << Don't be sorry! I am actually bracing myself for this whole topic in a few months when I register my son for Kindergarten and claim a religious objection. >> good luck. Im trying to get stuff to gather so my case will hold up if anything is started. but school wont be an issue because Im goig to homeschool, its mainly just if inlaws find out or something and call in on us. thats why Ive been so curious. I still need to find out about the church of Illumination, but I cant find Web sites or anything about it. **~Candece LaNell~** Wife to Mommy to Will ~1-16-00 WORK AT HOME!! <A HREF= " http://teamideals.com/show.cgi?id=11600 " >Team Concepts</A> Also: Unlimited flat rate long distance, ask me about it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 In a message dated 1/30/01 12:21:33 PM Central Standard Time, Mz@... writes: << How could we not talk about it? The religious exemption is all many can afford to claim in the absence of a philosophical exemption in many states. >> that is true, thanks. I think it is stupid that the gov. controls us all so, I think that the fact we dont want our children vaccinated should be enough, without all of this, but I guess on the good side it gives us a chance to educate our selfs to our full extent. I do wish the laws in my state were easier though... **~Candece LaNell~** Wife to Mommy to Will ~1-16-00 WORK AT HOME!! <A HREF= " http://teamideals.com/show.cgi?id=11600 " >Team Concepts</A> Also: Unlimited flat rate long distance, ask me about it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 I don't have a problem, I have stuck my foot in my mouth a few times, not indicating you have, and the people here are forgiving....we are human and do human things. " We are not humans seeking a spiritual experience, we are spirits having a human experience " Hornell, NY Re: Religion > In a message dated 1/29/01 10:13:30 AM Central Standard Time, Mz@... > writes: > > << Read my previous post and stop starting trouble. I don't judge any of you > and I don't appreciate being attacked and " judged " everytime I decide to post > something on this list. If the majority of you have a problem with me being > on this list, I will politely leave it. >> > I dont have a problem with anyone on the list, I am learning everyday from > everyone, please dont leave, this was actually my fault for starting the > whole " religion " topic, Im sorry. > > **~Candece LaNell~** > Wife to > Mommy to Will ~1-16-00 > > WORK AT HOME!! > <A HREF= " http://teamideals.com/show.cgi?id=11600 " >Team Concepts</A> > > Also: Unlimited flat rate long distance, ask me about it!!! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 I just saw a show on Discovery Health channel the other day that had to do with a devote Jehovah Witness going into some sort of brain surgery and not receiving some kind of medication because it's against their religion. Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 HI I have seen that one before. He was not accepting blood transfusions. K ~Kerin~ Mom of Four~ *When you tend a rose, my lad, A thistle cannot grow* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2001 Report Share Posted September 28, 2001 thanks roxanne, for so eloquently expressing yourself, leaving me in the position to only have to write: i agree. - lisa Religion I totally agree with you Ernest. (Although your tone was a little bit harsh) This is my first time posting, but I have been a member for a while now. I wouldn't be fair to myself or this group if I did not say something in regards to this topic though. I have been deleting most of the posts that are coming through lately because I have felt as if I am being herded in by one of those T.V. Evangelists or something. It's just getting a bit weird. This is suddenly not about Candida anymore, but something else. I loved the information I was getting from this wonderful group and I would love for it to stay that way. Let's stick to the topics if we could. There is no place for one sided religious monologues on this list. For the rest of us who are not into such things it takes away from the knowledge base of why we are here and why we are doing this. All of you who share your faith openly, I admire and respect you, truly I do. But I do not share your openness because I know it offends others. As we are a " Group Forum " I have to respect these people as well.. I am of a non-denominational faith and wish for my life to remain that way. I do believe in God, but I will not let my personal or spiritual feelings overshadow what this group was set up to do. For the sake of those who do not want to participate in this Christian following, I ask you to keep the deep emotional ties to our Lord out of your postings. Let's get back to finding factual answers and helping ourselves and those around us. Let's get back to sharing valuable information that is necessary for ALL of us to heal. Let's get back to the friendship and respectfulness that was once so much apart of this group. I personally, do not want any one of you to leave this group. I love you all even though I have never met any of you. You have all helped and informed me so much and I want to thank you for that. Please stay with us, but try to understand the rest of us also. No offense to anyone..... Friends, Roxanne ___________________________________________________________________________ Ruth Reul wrote: > > Hi, Don't be sorry we understand really!! Love Ruth > yesmaster@... wrote: Sorry if u misunderstood me, I didn't > mean to bash christianism or > any religion, everyone is free to believe in whatever they want. > However, I don't want, and won't discuss about that here. > > My only point is that this group is dedicated to candidiasis > treatment, and other health related issues. This is NOT the place to > try indoctrinating people with your personal belief. This kinda > spamming is unappropriate. I do respect your thoughts about your > religion, as long as u don't try to make of this mailing-list a > parish. > > Thanks > Ernest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 In a message dated 09/29/2001 1:00:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lmr2ca@... writes: << thanks roxanne, for so eloquently expressing yourself, leaving me in the position to only have to write: i agree. - lisa Religion I totally agree with you Ernest. (Although your tone was a little bit harsh) This is my first time posting, but I have been a member for a while now. I wouldn't be fair to myself or this group if I did not say something in regards to this topic though. I have been deleting most of the posts that are coming through lately because I have felt as if I am being herded in by one of those T.V. Evangelists or something. It's just getting a bit weird. This is suddenly not about Candida anymore, but something else. I loved the information I was getting from this wonderful group and I would love for it to stay that way. Let's stick to the topics if we could. There is no place for one sided religious monologues on this list. For the rest of us who are not into such things it takes away from the knowledge base of why we are here and why we are doing this. All of you who share your faith openly, I admire and respect you, truly I do. But I do not share your openness because I know it offends others. As we are a " Group Forum " I have to respect these people as well.. I am of a non-denominational faith and wish for my life to remain that way. I do believe in God, but I will not let my personal or spiritual feelings overshadow what this group was set up to do. For the sake of those who do not want to participate in this Christian following, I ask you to keep the deep emotional ties to our Lord out of your postings. Let's get back to finding factual answers and helping ourselves and those around us. Let's get back to sharing valuable information that is necessary for ALL of us to heal. Let's get back to the friendship and respectfulness that was once so much apart of this group. I personally, do not want any one of you to leave this group. I love you all even though I have never met any of you. You have all helped and informed me so much and I want to thank you for that. Please stay with us, but try to understand the rest of us also. No offense to anyone..... Friends, Roxanne __ >> I agree with both of you!! Is there a list monitor? Annette C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 I agree 100% To me it's all a personal choice...private....it rubbed me the wrong way I guess....Example: Bin Laden is working for his God right now.....killing innocent people. I won't post another word on the topic... Thank you Religion I really tried to avoid throwing in my two cents here, but alas can't For people who beleive and and find solice in religion great, and having a positive mind helps, whatever the source of that. However I think that it should be seen as unbalanced and preachy really to tell someone looking for genuine physical help, and who probably needs it that the answer lies in Jesus. Firstly, he could be of a completely different faith, or even athiest, and thus for some people, going on about religion could be likened to praying for the recovery of a patient instead of giving the necessary treatment, a la a Jehova's Witness. Dont get me wrong, I think for people who beleive in it, its great, but to be honest I dont think this is a place for this topic to hold firm, I think that people come here looking for advice on tangible courses of action, and ones that are generally secular, so I think that we should stick to trying to help people along those lines mainly... Anyways, All the best to you all, Hope I caused no offense Alistair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 In einer eMail vom 30.11.2001 17:28:11 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt almr@...: > Firstly, he could be > of a completely different faith, or even athiest, and thus for some > people, going on about religion could be likened to praying for the > recovery of a patient instead of giving the necessary treatment, a la > a Jehova's Witness. > Dear Alistair, .....and what is wrong with this? The results will tell even an atheist that there is something Higher, and curios enough he/she will start asking questions and we go from there! Why spent time to go through hundreds and thousands of opinions of treatments, when there is ONE that has all answers to everything?! That does not mean, and don't you get me wrong, that medication would not go along with healing. GOD gives people ideas for their research and if they use it HIS way, than medicine is a complemting factor in Healing HIS way. In various groups I have met people who suffered great and have listened to many opinions and testimonies...they got tired and more sick. So I would say, thank GOD, that whoever reads this, GOD brought Himself as a reminder to those, that had lost HIM...the pure and only LOVE. I do know, that your mail was a question of your heart and no offense, at least I took it this way. Love Ingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2001 Report Share Posted December 2, 2001 we are each drops from the ocean, we are each an atom of the universe. the iron in your body first came from the Sun, as a beginning star. like it or not, it is true. the God that exists is in me and you. " I believe in God, only I spell it nature, " --- Lloyd > I agree 100% > To me it's all a personal choice...private....it rubbed me the wrong way I > guess....Example: Bin Laden is working for his God right now.....killing > innocent people. > > I won't post another word on the topic... > > Thank you > > Religion > > > I really tried to avoid throwing in my two cents here, but alas can't > > For people who beleive and and find solice in religion great, and > having a positive mind helps, whatever the source of that. > > However I think that it should be seen as unbalanced and preachy > really to tell someone looking for genuine physical help, and who > probably needs it that the answer lies in Jesus. Firstly, he could be > of a completely different faith, or even athiest, and thus for some > people, going on about religion could be likened to praying for the > recovery of a patient instead of giving the necessary treatment, a la > a Jehova's Witness. > > Dont get me wrong, I think for people who beleive in it, its great, > but to be honest I dont think this is a place for this topic to hold > firm, I think that people come here looking for advice on tangible > courses of action, and ones that are generally secular, so I think > that we should stick to trying to help people along those lines > mainly... > > Anyways, All the best to you all, > Hope I caused no offense > > Alistair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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