Religion

July 13, 2003

At 07:26 AM 13-07-03 -0700, you stated:

>I do not mind an occassional reference to religion

>here. It all comes back to the same thing, how we are

>all benefitting our health, and how we can help each

>other. Beliefs are powerful and I don't mind someone

>sharing theirs a bit. There is nothing wrong with

>that. Plus I believe certainly, that what a lot of

>religions teach is healthy - a healthy, non-processed

>diet, prayer(meditation), faith(hope) - the diet of

>the bible, unleavened bread, fish, wine, fruits and

>veggies, plus hard work, if you can, it's all good for

>you. So maybe be more open-minded, after all, it was

>only a couple of sentences.

Perhaps you will recall that our nation is not 100% Christian.

I thus quote from the Noble Quran, 5:33:

" The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and

strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be

murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on

opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace

for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous

chastisement. "

5:51:

" O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;

they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a

friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the

unjust people. "

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July 13, 2003

amen fal

point well made

July 13, 2003

Thank you for your honesty. Many Christians are truly unaware of the attitude

towards Christians and other " non-believers " that is inherent in the Quran. It

is good to have it made public. Obviously, when the people who believe these

things come to power, some of us will be missing hands and feet, because threats

have never deterred true Christians. Could we get back to health issues now?

AMDG,

Colleen

----- Original Message -----

From: Fal Astin

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 3:05 PM

Subject: Re: Religion

Perhaps you will recall that our nation is not 100% Christian.

I thus quote from the Noble Quran, 5:33:

" The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and

strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be

murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on

opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace

for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous

chastisement. "

5:51:

" O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;

they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a

friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the

unjust people. "

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July 13, 2003

>

>5:51:

> " O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;

>they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a

>friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the

>unjust people. "

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

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July 14, 2003

> At 07:26 AM 13-07-03 -0700, you stated:

>

> >I do not mind an occassional reference to religion

> >here. It all comes back to the same thing, how we are

> >all benefitting our health, and how we can help each

> >other. Beliefs are powerful and I don't mind someone

> >sharing theirs a bit. There is nothing wrong with

> >that. Plus I believe certainly, that what a lot of

> >religions teach is healthy - a healthy, non-processed

> >diet, prayer(meditation), faith(hope) - the diet of

> >the bible, unleavened bread, fish, wine, fruits and

> >veggies, plus hard work, if you can, it's all good for

> >you. So maybe be more open-minded, after all, it was

> >only a couple of sentences.

>

> Perhaps you will recall that our nation is not 100% Christian.

>

> I thus quote from the Noble Quran, 5:33:

>

> " The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His

messenger and

> strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should

be

> murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut

off on

> opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a

disgrace

> for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a

grievous

> chastisement. "

>

> 5:51:

> " O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for

friends;

> they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them

for a

> friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide

the

> unjust people. "

>

If you agree with what you just posted then you should not be a

member of this group or any other group where you might accidentally

come in contact with Christians or Jews because you might become

friends with some of us -- or have someone mistakenly think you are

friends with Christians or Jews.

This nation does not have to be 100% Christian for us to tolerate

someone expressing their views about their religion. Someone simply

saying that humans were miraculously created and naming the " One "

they believe created them is not such a shocking or heretical view.

You need to unwind a little -- things could get dangerous if you

sneeze and someone uses the traditional " blessing " if you are this

touchy.

Luci

July 14, 2003

> amen fal

>

> point well made

You agree with those verses stating that Christians should be put to

death? Crucified, having their hands and feet cut off? That's the

point Fal made.

Anyway, that's all his post said.

Luci

July 14, 2003

Hello, everyone,

I'm back from my mini-vacation and had a good time. I see there's some

discussion about my use of the SCRIPTURAL sacred name Yahweh which is in our

Bibles

almost 7,000 times in the OT alone everywhere you see this---> " THE LORD, "

not to mention the proven thousands of times it's in the NT.

Also, for starters, I live in the USA, and this country was founded by our

founding fathers who were " religious. " Like it or not, this is the truth!!!

Most of them were Christians, I do believe, including the other nations who came

over after that, Irish, Germans, Italians and many, many more. Because we

are a nation with many religions, it shouldn't hurt the fact that I have my

rights too, FREEDOM OF SPEECH and FREEDOM OF RELIGIOUS RIGHTS. I am not using

my

freedom of speech or religious rights to cause harm to anyone. I was merely

making a statement.

Also, if you're into the Koran, it's known by Arabic scholars that the sacred

name Yahweh does exist, although they use the Arabic, Allah, which is from

the Hebrew for eloah (sing.; means a mighty being; mighty one [generic name]).

So with all that being said, my occasional reference to something religious

should not cause harm.

Now, back to the subject of gallstones. How is everyone doing? Has anyone

had any cleanses since I left? I need to get back on my diet. On vacation we

ate some stuff that wasn't all that healthy.

Take care,

Susie

July 14, 2003

>

> > amen fal

> >

> > point well made

>

>You agree with those verses stating that Christians should be put to

>death? Crucified, having their hands and feet cut off? That's the

>point Fal made.

>

>Anyway, that's all his post said.

>

>Luci

>

I dont think aluckower was agreeing with what he said, I think he was just

saying that his point to keep religion off the group is probably a good

idea, because everyones views are different and if it isnt ok for him to

quote from his religion why is it ok for everyone else?

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July 14, 2003

ok, now let's talk about sex. that oughta bring up some controversy. :-)

-------Original Message-------

From: gallstones

Date: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:42:29 AM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Religion

Hello, everyone,

I'm back from my mini-vacation and had a good time. I see there's some

discussion about my use of the SCRIPTURAL sacred name Yahweh which is in our

Bibles

almost 7,000 times in the OT alone everywhere you see this---> " THE LORD, "

not to mention the proven thousands of times it's in the NT.

Also, for starters, I live in the USA, and this country was founded by our

founding fathers who were " religious. " Like it or not, this is the truth!!!

Most of them were Christians, I do believe, including the other nations who

came

over after that, Irish, Germans, Italians and many, many more. Because we

are a nation with many religions, it shouldn't hurt the fact that I have my

rights too, FREEDOM OF SPEECH and FREEDOM OF RELIGIOUS RIGHTS. I am not

using my

freedom of speech or religious rights to cause harm to anyone. I was merely

making a statement.

Also, if you're into the Koran, it's known by Arabic scholars that the

sacred

name Yahweh does exist, although they use the Arabic, Allah, which is from

the Hebrew for eloah (sing.; means a mighty being; mighty one [generic

name]).

So with all that being said, my occasional reference to something religious

should not cause harm.

Now, back to the subject of gallstones. How is everyone doing? Has anyone

had any cleanses since I left? I need to get back on my diet. On vacation

we

ate some stuff that wasn't all that healthy.

Take care,

Susie

July 15, 2003

> ok, now let's talk about sex. that oughta bring up some

controversy. :-)

>

Sounds good. I like sex. Anyone here not like sex?

Was that the kind of controversy you were hoping for? ;-D

Luci

(BTW, glad to hear your cleanse went well. Go easy on yourself for a

couple of days!)

October 29, 2009

The word religion means linked to God.What is the best religion? All religions have an ideal of life which if it is respected brings us toward our spiritual awakening.All religions were created by illuminated beings. Those masters reached the ascension, but those who have taken control of the religious ministries have destroyed the truth which sets you free. They have kept to themselves the secret of the high masters so as to be able to control humankind with a doctrine of fear.Religions have hidden the law of attraction: whatever you are thinking about is manifesting into your reality; if you are ceaselessly thinking about God and His angels, they are what will manifest in your life.Joy, enthusiasm and happiness are creating a strong power of attraction.Life is what you believe that it is, you are the creator of your reality.Jesus,

just like all the other high masters used to teach metaphysics and the magic of love.Whether you were following Buddah, Allah, Krishna or whatever the name that you are giving to him/her, it is always the same spirit, there is only one divine spirit and this omnipresence of God manifests itself as much in physical realms than in non-physical realms.On the day when you have reached a level of consciousness in Christ, you will get access to astral travel, then you will be able to communicate with beings coming from other worlds and with beings of light. You don't have to go far away, leave your body if you are unable to start a telepathic communication, stay sat down close to your body and the beings of light and the angels will call on you. When you are ready for the ascension, you will perceive God's light within each and every human being.God's spirit is omnipresent, it is incarnated in each and every human.Please, be aware that the

second incarnation of Christ on Earth is not the coming of a sole savior, but the return to unity with creation and the awakening of consciousness in Christ within you. We shall move from a type 2 civilization where secrecy and silence are the norm to a type 4 civilization where every thing is done in transparency and all the beings will communicate telepathically. Only the truth shall remain.A little god indwells, each human being, it only wants to be your guide. Listen to the little voice within you, you have an intuition, an emotion and each time when it is an emotion of joy and happiness, you are following God's path. He just wants you to realize your dreams, trust Him.Several names have been given to the illuminated beings such as wizards, mages, clerics, magicians, illusionists,jedy, gods, shamans, avatars, buddhas, humans of light or angels.The goal of the practice of spiritual sciences is to return to you your power to create your

unique experience to be God.When you have reached illumination, you will perceive the white light of God within each and every being who is living through love and truth.The immortal children are at the dawn of being incarnated on Earth and they will transform the Earth again into a magnificent garden of Eden.A religion is good only when it teaches you how to create your own reality and when it propagates a message of love and unity and when it recognizes that all the people are equal in unity. There are neither higher beings nor lesser ones, we are all created equal to God.A spiritual practice is good only if it develops love and unity within you and when it teaches the awakening of the god within you.

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October 30, 2009

Thanks,very well written.

________________________________From: marc chauvette <marc.chauvette@...> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:18:56 PMSubject: [] Religion The word religion means linked to God.What is the best religion? All religions have an ideal of life which if it is respected brings us toward our spiritual awakening.All religions were created by illuminated beings. Those masters reached the ascension, but those who have taken control of the religious ministries have destroyed the truth which sets you free. They have kept to themselves the secret of the high masters so as to be able to control humankind with a doctrine of fear.Religions have hidden the law of attraction: whatever you are thinking about is manifesting into your reality; if you are ceaselessly thinking about God and His angels, they are what will manifest in your life.Joy, enthusiasm

and happiness are creating a strong power of attraction.Life is what you believe that it is, you are the creator of your reality.Jesus, just like all the other high masters used to teach metaphysics and the magic of love.Whether you were following Buddah, Allah, Krishna or whatever the name that you are giving to him/her, it is always the same spirit, there is only one divine spirit and this omnipresence of God manifests itself as much in physical realms than in non-physical realms.On the day when you have reached a level of consciousness in Christ, you will get access to astral travel, then you will be able to communicate with beings coming from other worlds and with beings of light. You don't have to go far away, leave your body if you are unable to start a telepathic communication, stay sat down close to your body and the beings of light and the angels will call on you. When you are ready for the ascension, you will perceive God's

light within each and every human being.God's spirit is omnipresent, it is incarnated in each and every human.Please, be aware that the second incarnation of Christ on Earth is not the coming of a sole savior, but the return to unity with creation and the awakening of consciousness in Christ within you. We shall move from a type 2 civilization where secrecy and silence are the norm to a type 4 civilization where every thing is done in transparency and all the beings will communicate telepathically. Only the truth shall remain.A little god indwells, each human being, it only wants to be your guide. Listen to the little voice within you, you have an intuition, an emotion and each time when it is an emotion of joy and happiness, you are following God's path. He just wants you to realize your dreams, trust Him.Several names have been given to the illuminated beings such as wizards, mages, clerics, magicians, illusionists, jedy, gods,

shamans, avatars, buddhas, humans of light or angels.The goal of the practice of spiritual sciences is to return to you your power to create your unique experience to be God.When you have reached illumination, you will perceive the white light of God within each and every being who is living through love and truth.The immortal children are at the dawn of being incarnated on Earth and they will transform the Earth again into a magnificent garden of Eden.A religion is good only when it teaches you how to create your own reality and when it propagates a message of love and unity and when it recognizes that all the people are equal in unity. There are neither higher beings nor lesser ones, we are all created equal to God.A spiritual practice is good only if it develops love and unity within you and when it teaches the awakening of the god within you. ________________________________Get the name you've always wanted

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November 13, 2009

I'm going to choose a tiny point from Marie's remarks:

" So many times, folks--well meaning folks--don't want to talk about disability

because they think it makes us uncomfortable. Many in our worship communities

don't understand we want out children included in a way to make us all

comfortable- -we are used to making adaptations but they often times are not. "

The more you get into community life--including houses of worship where folks

want to do the right & welcoming thing--the more you see the effects of life

experiences on NT people. If they went to school before 1975, they might never

have met a disabled classmate at school. If they went to school after 1975, the

disabled " classmates " were in separate classroom, and none of the teachers

talked about them.

There are still a lot of people out in the community that have never had a

conversation or relationship with someone with disabilities. No one ever taught

them how.

What amazes me is in church (and other places) how you'll meet adults who get

it, truly get it...and then you find out that they get it because they have a

disabled person somewhere among their family or friends.

When Neal was young, he was included at church (but in a mostly self-contained

class at school). We had a wonderful set of 1-on-1 aides (on rotation for the

worship hour, a steady one for Sunday school). I trained them, and they gave

wonderful insights to us as parents and to Neal's teachers. They were like

extended family to us, still chat with Neal at church, and came to his

graduation party.

-Gail

November 13, 2009