Re: Testing question AND many more!

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On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Kari Schmidt wrote:

> I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with weight,

> tired, fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness and tingling

> (occasionally) and have ignored all.

In what book is any of this " normal " ? Sounds like you've got

*something* going on.

> I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

>

> Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having flu

> like symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness, tired,

> fatigue, vision)

Sounds like it could possibly be a Herxheimer reaction, which is one

of the big issues when Lymies take antibiotics.

> I am wondering if I have lymes.

>

> I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group of

> doctors really don't believe in lymes unless there is a rash or

> bull's-eye. I have had many ticks but no " known " rash.

>

> I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into areas

> known for lymes.

>

> Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What if it

> is negative? Is there a chance that I still have it? Will the

> taking of antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a day) affect the

> test? If positive, it would mean that I have a likelihood of having

> had the lymes disease for quite a while. What would the care

> protocol be? I don't have much faith in these doctors but want to

> be tested tomorrow.

The problem with Lyme tests is that there are several dozen strains of

Lyme in the US; but most tests only check for a few. If the test they

give you doesn't cover the kind of Lyme you have, it will come back

with a false negative.

Beyond that: the tests will also come back negative if it's been more

than a few months since you were bit.

The gold standard in Lyme testing is a test done by a lab called

Igenex in Palo Alto, CA. (You can Google them.) They don't look for

antibodies; they look for Lyme DNA, which makes it more sensitive. And

it also looks for a very wide range of Lyme subtypes. The problem with

this test is that it's very hard to read and interpret -- more art

than science, really. Which brings me to my real answer to your

question.

It's not about the test you get. It's about finding a Lyme-literate

doctor (LLMD). These doctors are members of a group called ILADS, and

they specialize in diagnosing and treating Lyme. They are also under

tremendous persecution from the medical establishment, which means

they tend to operate fairly underground. (This is why most of them

don't take insurance at all -- you're on your own here.) If you'd like

this list to help you with your search, tell us where you live (I see

from your sig that you're in Minnesota), and ask if people in your

region would contact you off-list with their suggestions. You may need

to drive to the next big city -- or the one beyond that, or the one

beyond that -- to find this doctor.

Most regular MDs don't believe that chronic Lyme exists; and if they

do manage to diagnose it, they will usually treat it inadequately.

Sorry to break it to you -- but you are in a whole fresh wilderness

here.

> Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes if the

> test is negative? I have a full year prescription.

The Lyme germ comes in three forms. It's a spirochete; but it can also

turn into an intracellular form and a dormant cystic form. And you

need different antibiotics to kill the three different types. (The

cysts are notoriously stubborn, and don't seem to respond to much.)

You don't say which antibiotics you're on, but doxycyline or

penicillin are usually given for the spirochetes; macrolides (like

azithromycin or clarithromycin) for the intracellulars; and some

doctors make a stab at the cysts with Flagyl. Some doctors,

particularly on the east coast, put their severe Lyme patients on a

few months of IV antibiotics.

If you do have Lyme, any of the above antibiotics will give you

something of a start, but they probably won't finish the job. Also

know that a year of antibiotics can create tremendous long-term damage

if it's not carefully monitored, and if you don't take steps to

control the damage. (My own LLMD, whom I talked to just today, will

not go over six months with a given antibiotic.)

I'm sorry if I raised more questions than I answered. The fact you're

having these reactions to the antibiotics is indeed suspicious, as is

your horse's diagnosis. Getting checked out by someone who knows which

end is up can save you more pain, disability, and expense than you can

probably imagine, and I'd encourage you to do it soon.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sounds like it to me, unless u have a LLMD I bet u will get the run around.

Don't trust tests either mine was neg, but I have lyme.

sarah

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Kari Schmidt

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:46 PM

Subject: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with weight, tired,

fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness and tingling (occasionally) and

have ignored all.

I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having flu like

symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness, tired, fatigue, vision)

I am wondering if I have lymes.

I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group of doctors really

don't believe in lymes unless there is a rash or bull's-eye. I have had many

ticks but no " known " rash.

I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into areas known for

lymes.

Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What if it is

negative? Is there a chance that I still have it? Will the taking of

antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a day) affect the test? If positive, it

would mean that I have a likelihood of having had the lymes disease for

quite a while. What would the care protocol be? I don't have much faith in

these doctors but want to be tested tomorrow.

Can anyone help answer my question? I want my testing to have a fair shake

with the right labs.

Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes if the test is

negative? I have a full year prescription.

I am taking this list on digest thus may not answer right away.

Thanks in advance,

Kari

Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Dear Kari:

I am brand new on this list so I do not know if I am speaking out of turn.

My research indicates that there are not any good reliable tests for lyme.

The chance of finding a lyme spirochete in the blood after a few days is

less than 2% in an infected person. There are tests for the antibody but

that only indicates that you had lyme at one time and does not test if you

are currently infected. Also there is a strong bias by the medical system

against the possibility of lyme infection. There is a movie " under our

skin " that deals with lyme and treatments and politics.

I have a friend who is a horse trainer and she has had great success using

colloidal silver for her horses and kids.

Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com <http://www.meissnerresearch.com/>

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Kari Schmidt

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:46 PM

Subject: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with weight, tired,

fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness and tingling (occasionally) and

have ignored all.

I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having flu like

symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness, tired, fatigue, vision)

I am wondering if I have lymes.

I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group of doctors really

don't believe in lymes unless there is a rash or bull's-eye. I have had many

ticks but no " known " rash.

I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into areas known for

lymes.

Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What if it is

negative? Is there a chance that I still have it? Will the taking of

antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a day) affect the test? If positive, it

would mean that I have a likelihood of having had the lymes disease for

quite a while. What would the care protocol be? I don't have much faith in

these doctors but want to be tested tomorrow.

Can anyone help answer my question? I want my testing to have a fair shake

with the right labs.

Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes if the test is

negative? I have a full year prescription.

I am taking this list on digest thus may not answer right away.

Thanks in advance,

Kari

Minnesota

[Guest guest]

You should insist on testing at a lab that specializes in tick borne

disease such as IGENIX labs in Palo Alta, CA. They are probably the

best but still, you should know that testing for Lyme (not Lymes) is

unreliable at best. Diagnosis should be clinical; based on

presentation of symptoms, exposure, and labs are simply meant to aid

in confirmation; don't let them tell you a negative test means you do

not have it. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

>

> I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with weight,

tired, fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness and tingling

(occasionally) and have ignored all.

>

> I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

>

> Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having flu

like symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness, tired, fatigue,

vision)

>

> I am wondering if I have lymes.

>

> I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group of

doctors really don't believe in lymes unless there is a rash or

bull's-eye. I have had many ticks but no " known " rash.

>

> I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into areas

known for lymes.

>

> Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What if it

is negative? Is there a chance that I still have it? Will the taking

of antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a day) affect the test? If

positive, it would mean that I have a likelihood of having had the

lymes disease for quite a while. What would the care protocol be? I

don't have much faith in these doctors but want to be tested tomorrow.

>

> Can anyone help answer my question? I want my testing to have a

fair shake with the right labs.

>

> Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes if the

test is negative? I have a full year prescription.

>

> I am taking this list on digest thus may not answer right away.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Kari

> Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Hi Kari:

First off let me tell you there is NO S in Lyme. Always Lyme,

never Lymes. And IF you live in Minnesota, you are definitely in a

high risk for Lyme disease. I live in Wisconsin and it is the

HIGHEST in the midwest for Lyme. Why would they even THINK that

Minnesota would be low??? Makes no sense at all. You must realize

that MOST doctors are ignorant when it comes to Lyme Disease. MOST!

And that includes the many so called LLMD's. But there are a few

good ones in the country.

Most swear by Igenex of California for the Lyme test. I used Fry

Labs in Arizona for a co infection test which came back negative.

But I have had Lyme since 1999. I take herbs for it, as the abx are

not good for me at all. They are not good for anyone long term.

I have gone from abojut 30 to 40% living to about 98% nowadays

after three years of herbs. IT takes time, but you are not nearly as

sick when you take them as when on abx. At least that was MY

experience, and has been such for many people I know.

Hope you can get a handle on it.

By the way, your local doctors probably have not even heard of Igenex

or Fry Labs. They will probably use Mayo or some other local lab.

Which I wouldn't put much faith in. I did use Mayo for a Brucellosis

test though.

Take care,

Jim.

###

>

> I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with weight,

tired, fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness and tingling

(occasionally) and have ignored all.

>

> I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

>

> Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having flu

like symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness, tired,

fatigue, vision)

>

> I am wondering if I have lymes.

>

> I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group of

doctors really don't believe in lymes unless there is a rash or

bull's-eye. I have had many ticks but no " known " rash.

>

> I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into areas

known for lymes.

>

> Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What if it

is negative? Is there a chance that I still have it? Will the

taking of antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a day) affect the

test? If positive, it would mean that I have a likelihood of having

had the lymes disease for quite a while. What would the care

protocol be? I don't have much faith in these doctors but want to be

tested tomorrow.

>

> Can anyone help answer my question? I want my testing to have a

fair shake with the right labs.

>

> Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes if

the test is negative? I have a full year prescription.

>

> I am taking this list on digest thus may not answer right away.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Kari

> Minnesota

> Come see our Sporthorses at

> www.Friesiansporthorses.com

> Come see our Border Collies at

> www.AKCbordercollies.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

IgeneX lab (http://igenex.com/Website/) is usually the one most folks agree

is the best. But they can also come up negative. Note that Lyme is a disease

best diagnosed clinically and not via tests. You might want to to to the

ILADS (http://www.ilads.org/) website and read their intro pdf about the

disease. There is allot that main stream doctors aren't aware of with Lyme.

Your " normal " age issues are no such think. They are all indicators of

something wrong and it could well be Lyme.

I have a computer CD I send free to folks who request it. It is packed with

all the things I have learned about lyme in the last year in helping my wife

fight this disease. Email me if you want a copy and include a mailing

address. I am always adding to it and make them upon request.

msadams@...

> [ ] Testing question AND many more!

>

> I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with

> weight, tired, fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness

> and tingling (occasionally) and have ignored all.

>

> I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

>

> Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having

> flu like symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness,

> tired, fatigue, vision)

>

> I am wondering if I have lymes.

>

> I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group

> of doctors really don't believe in lymes unless there is a

> rash or bull's-eye. I have had many ticks but no " known " rash.

>

> I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into

> areas known for lymes.

>

> Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What

> if it is negative? Is there a chance that I still have it?

> Will the taking of antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a

> day) affect the test? If positive, it would mean that I have

> a likelihood of having had the lymes disease for quite a

> while. What would the care protocol be? I don't have much

> faith in these doctors but want to be tested tomorrow.

>

> Can anyone help answer my question? I want my testing to

> have a fair shake with the right labs.

>

> Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes

> if the test is negative? I have a full year prescription.

>

> I am taking this list on digest thus may not answer right away.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Kari

> Minnesota

[Guest guest]

I would go to www.mylymelab.com and read about the differant tests.

It's very informative. You can call Tom Long at Central Florida

Research at (863-287-8163) He can anwser your questions about most

tests. Bill

[Guest guest]

Keri,

The only and best vet's for this are on the east coast. My horse was bit

along with me in 1997. The blood should be sent, for your horse to the U of

Conn. attention Dr Bushmich. She also has lyme but continues to work

and medicate. I'm not familiar with silver for equine. I used Doxy for my

horse.

As far as you, my current LLMD use's labcorp. California also has a good

lab. Since you live in a very indemic state, I do know of a good LLMD for you.

Send me a personal email and I'll be glad to help you. My daughter and

family live in Waconia, MN. Hopefully this dr won't be much of a drive but so

many of us drive a long way for the good LLMD's

My best to you. Regards, Bev G.

From: _ @groupLyme-_ (mailto: )

[mailto:_ @groupLyme-_ (mailto: ) ] On

Behalf

Of Kari Schmidt

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:46 PM

_ @groupLyme-_ (mailto: )

Subject: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

I am a 45 year old woman. I have " normal " age issues with weight, tired,

fatigue, vision, some hand and feet numbness and tingling (occasionally) and

have ignored all.

I just had a horse diagnosed with HIGH titers for Lyme.

Last week I was put on antibiotics for rosecea and am having flu like

symptoms as a result from the pills. (dizziness, tired, fatigue, vision)

I am wondering if I have lymes.

I am going to the doctor tomorrow for the test. This group of doctors really

don't believe in lymes unless there is a rash or bull's-eye. I have had many

ticks but no " known " rash.

I may not have lymes although I am outside a lot and go into areas known for

lymes.

Where is the BEST place to send my blood for testing?? What if it is

negative? Is there a chance that I still have it? Will the taking of

antibiotics (minocycline 100MG twice a day) affect the test? If positive, it

would mean that I have a likelihood of having had the lymes disease for

quite a while. What would the care protocol be? I don't have much faith in

these doctors but want to be tested tomorrow.

Can anyone help answer my question? I want my testing to have a fair shake

with the right labs.

Also, will this amount of antibiotic be enough to treat lymes if the test is

negative? I have a full year prescription.

I am taking this list on digest thus may not answer right away.

Thanks in advance,

Kari

Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Dear :

Please send me your CD.

Jim Meissner, 54 Creek Road, Afton, VA 22920, 434-361-1168

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of

Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:19 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

IgeneX lab (http://igenex. <http://igenex.com/Website/> com/Website/) is

usually the one most folks agree

is the best. But they can also come up negative. Note that Lyme is a disease

best diagnosed clinically and not via tests. You might want to to to the

ILADS (http://www.ilads. <http://www.ilads.org/> org/) website and read

their intro pdf about the

disease. There is allot that main stream doctors aren't aware of with Lyme.

Your " normal " age issues are no such think. They are all indicators of

something wrong and it could well be Lyme.

I have a computer CD I send free to folks who request it. It is packed with

all the things I have learned about lyme in the last year in helping my wife

fight this disease. Email me if you want a copy and include a mailing

address. I am always adding to it and make them upon request.

msadamsmsadams (DOT) <mailto:msadams%40msadams.com> com

[Guest guest]

,

I would also be glad to have a cd, email me camnchloe@...

Christie Lynn

RE: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

IgeneX lab (http://igenex. <http://igenex.com/Website/> com/Website/) is

usually the one most folks agree

is the best. But they can also come up negative. Note that Lyme is a disease

best diagnosed clinically and not via tests. You might want to to to the

ILADS (http://www.ilads. <http://www.ilads.org/> org/) website and read

their intro pdf about the

disease. There is allot that main stream doctors aren't aware of with Lyme

[Guest guest]

Sara,

I am very interested in one part of your response to Kari about

lyme/testing.

That is, your statement that long term antibiotics can cause tremendous

damage (I know about possible gut problems).

Also, you said that your current LLMD won't continue any one antibiotic

for more than 6 months. Why is that? My son has been treated for nearly

two years with azithromycin and mepron and my own current LLMD envisions

me on my current antibiotics for quite a long time (Biaxin, Omnicef and

Rifampin). I have never heard the 6 month advice before.

Thanks,

Maureen

[Guest guest]

There's at least one person on this list (I apologize for not

remembering who it was) who's come out of it with c. difficile, which

is one terrible complication of long-term abx. I'll let those

afflicted speak to that directly. It's a real bear, not least because

those who get it are pretty much unable to take antibiotics again, ever.

Some other people get candida overgrowth that can become as toxic and

nasty as Lyme itself over time. This is easier to handle (a month or

two of antifungals will do it); but not every doctor keeps an eye open

for this unless you come in presenting with blatantly obvious

symptoms. And, also like Lyme, not everybody who's severely sick gets

those symptoms.

Beyond that, antibiotics themselves can cause permanent organ damage,

particularly liver and kidney damage.

A good doctor keeps a constant eye out for this stuff. These things

aren't without risk. I don't know that there are many who go so far as

to follow a six-month rule; but my doc's pretty emphatic that after

that much time, the body needs a break (or, at the very least, to be

switched to something else that will stress it differently).

These dangers are very well understood by the anti-Lyme infectious

disease doctors, and it's the main reason they give when they object

to long-term abx as a Lyme therapy.

Sara

On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Maureen Havenner wrote:

> Sara,

>

> I am very interested in one part of your response to Kari about

> lyme/testing.

>

> That is, your statement that long term antibiotics can cause

> tremendous

> damage (I know about possible gut problems).

>

> Also, you said that your current LLMD won't continue any one

> antibiotic

> for more than 6 months. Why is that? My son has been treated for

> nearly

> two years with azithromycin and mepron and my own current LLMD

> envisions

> me on my current antibiotics for quite a long time (Biaxin, Omnicef

> and

> Rifampin). I have never heard the 6 month advice before.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Maureen

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Sara. You are well informed. I really didn't have an

appreciation, myself, for what the full risks are of antibiotics and I

appreciate knowing so that I can better protect myself.

Maureen

[Guest guest]

Jim,

If you haven't already posted about what kinds of herbs and supplements you use

to help

treat Lyme, would you please share that information here with us?

I'd like to compare notes.

Thanks,

Jen

>

>

> But I have had Lyme since 1999. I take herbs for it, as the abx are

> not good for me at all. They are not good for anyone long term.

>

> I have gone from abojut 30 to 40% living to about 98% nowadays

> after three years of herbs. IT takes time, but you are not nearly as

> sick when you take them as when on abx. At least that was MY

> experience, and has been such for many people I know.

>

>

> Take care,

> Jim.

> ###

[Guest guest]

> Sounds like it could possibly be a Herxheimer reaction, which is one

of the big issues when Lymies take antibiotics.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but playing devil's advocate. I was

extremely positive (blood, CSF and synovial fluid) and never had

anything like a Herxheimer reaction, either time I was treated for

Lyme, or anytime I've taken abx since then. I know most do, but it's

possible not to.

> Beyond that: the tests will also come back negative if it's been more

than a few months since you were bit.

Again, I fell out of the " norm " for Lyme here. It was multiple years

before I got a diagnosis and I was positive on every test, no matter

which fluid or lab (and there were many). After oral doxy treatment the

CDC asked for a blood sample: I was strongly positive across the board

on both IgG and IgM, with one on each test merely " reative " .

My immunologist is wishing he had more time to research the theory of

my immune system being stuff on hyperdrive as a possible explanation

for my less common case.

I know that most of us here fall into the veins you've mentioned, and

would never dispute that. I just like to point out once in a while that

these things are generalities rather than the only way it can happen.

Also, I can only wish any doctor I encountered pre-diagnosis in Oregon

had even heard of " clinical diagnosis " . Maybe then I wouldn't have all

the problems and pain I have dealt with for a decade.

Thanks for not shanking me for being contradictory! Heck, with my brain

damage (thanks again, Lyme!) I don't even know if I make sense most fo

the time! But I do know that this group is invaluable, and I'm glad

you're all here.

in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Herx is a matter of your ability to process superoxides, which in turn

stimulate cytokine production. If you don't herx, you're probably

either really good as clearing the first, or your body is unusually

slow to produce the latter. (My doc has me taking quercetin with my

abx to help process superoxides and keep the cytokines down, which

also really helps with herx. But it makes sense some people would do

this naturally.)

It's probably a matter of good genetics, enabling your system to fight

back well. That may also account for why your tests continue to be

positive. The Lyme's not getting its usual chance to fade into the

background beyond the reach of the tests, but stays front and center

as your body keeps fighting back.

Sara

On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:35 AM, transmedic007 wrote:

>

>> Sounds like it could possibly be a Herxheimer reaction, which is one

> of the big issues when Lymies take antibiotics.

>

> I'm not saying you're wrong, but playing devil's advocate. I was

> extremely positive (blood, CSF and synovial fluid) and never had

> anything like a Herxheimer reaction, either time I was treated for

> Lyme, or anytime I've taken abx since then. I know most do, but it's

> possible not to.

>

>

>> Beyond that: the tests will also come back negative if it's been more

> than a few months since you were bit.

>

> Again, I fell out of the " norm " for Lyme here. It was multiple years

> before I got a diagnosis and I was positive on every test, no matter

> which fluid or lab (and there were many). After oral doxy treatment

> the

> CDC asked for a blood sample: I was strongly positive across the board

> on both IgG and IgM, with one on each test merely " reative " .

>

> My immunologist is wishing he had more time to research the theory of

> my immune system being stuff on hyperdrive as a possible explanation

> for my less common case.

>

> I know that most of us here fall into the veins you've mentioned, and

> would never dispute that. I just like to point out once in a while

> that

> these things are generalities rather than the only way it can happen.

>

> Also, I can only wish any doctor I encountered pre-diagnosis in Oregon

> had even heard of " clinical diagnosis " . Maybe then I wouldn't have all

> the problems and pain I have dealt with for a decade.

>

> Thanks for not shanking me for being contradictory! Heck, with my

> brain

> damage (thanks again, Lyme!) I don't even know if I make sense most fo

> the time! But I do know that this group is invaluable, and I'm glad

> you're all here.

>

> in Oregon

>

>

>

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> RE: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

>

> Dear :

>

>

>

> Please send me your CD.

>

>

>

> Jim Meissner, 54 Creek Road, Afton, VA 22920, 434-361-1168

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, it's great that you do that for people. I've been terribly

ill for 4 years and they will only tell me fibromyalgia. I am just about to

start taking minocycline and diflucan. I have serious yeast issues.

From: <msadams@...>

Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:53:14 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

The cd was mailed today.

[Guest guest]

my sis is on minocyline right now and so is my dad it seems to be really helping

them but only time will tell my sis can eat anythng she wants now where before

she would get horrible stomach pain and flare up she has ra but it is the same

bacteria as lyme and so is strep b which were are both positive for

christie brewer <camnchloe@...> wrote:

Thank you so much, it's great that you do that for people. I've been terribly

ill for 4 years and they will only tell me fibromyalgia. I am just about to

start taking minocycline and diflucan. I have serious yeast issues.

From: <msadams@...>

Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 7:53:14 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Testing question AND many more!

The cd was mailed today.