Weight

[Guest guest]

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

no, I'm not taking T3. From reading these emails, T3 is by script only. I

guess I'll have to wait until mid June for this new doc apt. He comes highly

recommended. It took 4 months to get this apt. If I find I don't care for this

doc, like the others....I'm going to start doing this on my own.

Carol

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Just butting in here... What is it you are going to start yourself?

thanks

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

no, I'm not taking T3. From reading these emails, T3 is by script only. I

guess I'll have to wait until mid June for this new doc apt. He comes highly

recommended. It took 4 months to get this apt. If I find I don't care for this

doc, like the others....I'm going to start doing this on my own.

Carol

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I guess I'm a little concerned about the remarks concerning Synthroid....I was

going to switch over the Armour.....like everyone else, I'm just looking for

answers to feel better...I do feel better since I've been on Synthroid, but I

feel there is something still missing in my body. My legs still ache, I still

get cold....the brain fog is still there...I have added more synthroid I started

at 75, I'm up to 125.

Carol

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

Hi Carol,

Just butting in here... What is it you are going to start yourself?

thanks

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

no, I'm not taking T3. From reading these emails, T3 is by script only. I

guess I'll have to wait until mid June for this new doc apt. He comes highly

recommended. It took 4 months to get this apt. If I find I don't care for this

doc, like the others....I'm going to start doing this on my own.

Carol

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Carol,

That's what I'm looking to do also. I'm looking for a new doc. to help me do

this.. Can you do this yourself?

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

I guess I'm a little concerned about the remarks concerning Synthroid....I was

going to switch over the Armour.....like everyone else, I'm just looking for

answers to feel better...I do feel better since I've been on Synthroid, but I

feel there is something still missing in my body. My legs still ache, I still

get cold....the brain fog is still there...I have added more synthroid I started

at 75, I'm up to 125.

Carol

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

Hi Carol,

Just butting in here... What is it you are going to start yourself?

thanks

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

no, I'm not taking T3. From reading these emails, T3 is by script only. I

guess I'll have to wait until mid June for this new doc apt. He comes highly

recommended. It took 4 months to get this apt. If I find I don't care for this

doc, like the others....I'm going to start doing this on my own.

Carol

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

If I'm not happy with this new doc, I'm certainly going to try. There are

enough resources at hand to give it a good try. It seems with all the bad docs

out there, I couldn't do any worse. I'm hoping this new one is good. I met a

women who did my wedding invitations. We just starting talking about being

tired....anyway she said she went thru many docs telling her there was nothing

wrong with her.....she found this doc, he took all sorts of tests, listened to

her......end result, she had Hashi and something else....She now works out at a

gym a couple times a week lifting weights.....she has lost all the weight she

had put on......She said the best thing about him, he listened....

My old doc, when I told him I was always cold, told me " Its been a cold

winter " .....what he thought I lived outside???? Needless to say, I haven't gone

back

Carol

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

Carol,

That's what I'm looking to do also. I'm looking for a new doc. to help me do

this.. Can you do this yourself?

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

I guess I'm a little concerned about the remarks concerning Synthroid....I was

going to switch over the Armour.....like everyone else, I'm just looking for

answers to feel better...I do feel better since I've been on Synthroid, but I

feel there is something still missing in my body. My legs still ache, I still

get cold....the brain fog is still there...I have added more synthroid I started

at 75, I'm up to 125.

Carol

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

Hi Carol,

Just butting in here... What is it you are going to start yourself?

thanks

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

no, I'm not taking T3. From reading these emails, T3 is by script only. I

guess I'll have to wait until mid June for this new doc apt. He comes highly

recommended. It took 4 months to get this apt. If I find I don't care for this

doc, like the others....I'm going to start doing this on my own.

Carol

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

That kind of sounds like my old doc. I would try to tell him I'm very slow at

everything and he would think I was looking for a compliment, like you do fine

or something.. Being slow , my mind and body is something that is going that's

from the hypo, I just know it is..

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

If I'm not happy with this new doc, I'm certainly going to try. There are

enough resources at hand to give it a good try. It seems with all the bad docs

out there, I couldn't do any worse. I'm hoping this new one is good. I met a

women who did my wedding invitations. We just starting talking about being

tired....anyway she said she went thru many docs telling her there was nothing

wrong with her.....she found this doc, he took all sorts of tests, listened to

her......end result, she had Hashi and something else....She now works out at a

gym a couple times a week lifting weights.....she has lost all the weight she

had put on......She said the best thing about him, he listened....

My old doc, when I told him I was always cold, told me " Its been a cold

winter " .....what he thought I lived outside???? Needless to say, I haven't gone

back

Carol

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

Carol,

That's what I'm looking to do also. I'm looking for a new doc. to help me do

this.. Can you do this yourself?

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

I guess I'm a little concerned about the remarks concerning Synthroid....I was

going to switch over the Armour.....like everyone else, I'm just looking for

answers to feel better...I do feel better since I've been on Synthroid, but I

feel there is something still missing in my body. My legs still ache, I still

get cold....the brain fog is still there...I have added more synthroid I started

at 75, I'm up to 125.

Carol

bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

Hi Carol,

Just butting in here... What is it you are going to start yourself?

thanks

Bev

Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

no, I'm not taking T3. From reading these emails, T3 is by script only. I

guess I'll have to wait until mid June for this new doc apt. He comes highly

recommended. It took 4 months to get this apt. If I find I don't care for this

doc, like the others....I'm going to start doing this on my own.

Carol

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

hi Carol - It seems you are not taking T3 as well? If not you might find

that you need to add t3 to you t4 in the ratio of about 1 to 4 or 1 to 3

to balance your symptoms better. I had excellent results with T4 but my

aches and pains and depression only resolved with adding T3.

kerry

Re: Weight

Carol,

You wrote:

> I have been on Synthroid since 4/12/05...not long. I was really

feeling better up until this week. I was on 75mcg, and I upped it to

100 about 2 weeks ago. I feel tired again, didn't sleep well last

night....my legs ache, and I'm dizzy again. Should I go back to 75?

I'm seeing a new doc in the mid of June....I won't go back to the other

one....

>

Sounds more like you are not getting enough T4, especially since your

symptoms are hypoT not hyperT. If you are not getting a full replacement

dose, then you have partial thyroid function. In that case, your thyroid

output can change, up or down, but more commonly down. That means your

ideal dose is a moving target. You need to pay attention to your

symptoms and keep testing until things stabilize.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

I think I missed this post, or did I? You wanted the name of the T3 med I

use. The generic name for the the T3 I use in the U.K. is called TERTROXIN

Val

Re: Weight

>

>

> > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > Bev

> >

> > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > Bev,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> >

> > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> >

> > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get the

> > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two. If

> > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.

> >

> > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help, but I

> > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

T3 was used and abused during the so called 'swinging sixties' in the U.K.

in mainly privately prescibed slimming products; and I have read somewhere

that athletes use it to help build muscle mass.

I quoted some research in a letter of complaint to a local hospital about

their failure to diagnose. In their reply, they did not even acknowledge the

body of research I quoted. As I have said elsewhere in a different post, the

disease has not changed and nor have people that much. It is only the way

docs choose to treat it, throwing out all the pioneering work into the

disease by the likes of Broda Thierry Hertoghe and Ord etc.

I am very angry that the medical profession treats this disease and others

with a 'one size fits all' approach, we are all biochemically different.

Medicine seems to be going backward where hypothyroidism is concerned.

Val

Re: Weight

> > >

> > >

> > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > Bev

> > > >

> > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > Bev,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > >

> > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > >

> > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

> the

> > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

two.

> If

> > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

this.

> > > >

> > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

but

> I

> > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

You asked about detoxing. For example I began taking Milk Thistle to detox

my liver, as much of your T3 conversion goes on there. You do not become

hypo over night, it takes years. So it seemed logical to me that by fixing a

liver that has probably worked at less than its optimum I would not be

getting the full benefit from my meds if my liver remained clogged.

I knew my liver was in a bad way when my skin started going yellow, I could

no longer metabolise antibiotics and I became alcohol intolerant on a

tablespoon of white wine - BEFORE - diagnosis.

I am trying to find a time when I can do a colon cleanse with a kit I got

from Blessed Herbs.

My next project is I would like to to try Chorella which is a heavy metal

detoxifier, because I have several amalgam fillings in my mouth. Having my

fillings removed would be expensive and potentially hazardous, so its

cheaper to treat what they have and are doing to my body now I have got

them.

I believe in detoxing the large organs in the body either using a specific

kit like the one from Blessed Herbs or some (proven) old wives tales for

getting rid of kidney and gall stones, stuff like that. I do read the

CUREZONE stuff that appears on the end of our posts.

Val

Re: Weight

> >

> >

> > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > Bev

> > >

> > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > Bev,

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > >

> > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > >

> > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

the

> > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two.

If

> > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.

> > >

> > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help, but

I

> > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

thanks Val, is it working for you?

Bev

<veetee@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I think I missed this post, or did I? You wanted the name of the T3 med I

use. The generic name for the the T3 I use in the U.K. is called TERTROXIN

Val

Re: Weight

>

>

> > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > Bev

> >

> > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > Bev,

> >

> > You wrote:

> >

> > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> >

> > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> >

> > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get the

> > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two. If

> > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.

> >

> > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help, but I

> > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

The T3 continues to work for me. My trick to find out if I am puffing up

again, is whether my bras feel tight again. If I can make a bridge by

interplacing the fingers on both hands between each other - without having

to press the fingers past my knuckles, then I know I am not continuing to

bloat. Also, If my tongue remains unfrilled around the edge indented with

shape of my teeth, then again I know I am not puffing up again.

T4 alone, I had some stubborn hypo symptoms regardless of the dose, until my

private doc added T3.

Val

Re: Weight

> >

> >

> > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > Bev

> > >

> > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > Bev,

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > >

> > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > >

> > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

the

> > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two.

If

> > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.

> > >

> > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help, but

I

> > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

Will you tell me what stubborn symptoms they were ?

thanks

bev

<veetee@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

The T3 continues to work for me. My trick to find out if I am puffing up

again, is whether my bras feel tight again. If I can make a bridge by

interplacing the fingers on both hands between each other - without having

to press the fingers past my knuckles, then I know I am not continuing to

bloat. Also, If my tongue remains unfrilled around the edge indented with

shape of my teeth, then again I know I am not puffing up again.

T4 alone, I had some stubborn hypo symptoms regardless of the dose, until my

private doc added T3.

Val

Re: Weight

> >

> >

> > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > Bev

> > >

> > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > Bev,

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > >

> > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > >

> > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

the

> > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two.

If

> > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.

> > >

> > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help, but

I

> > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

My symptoms were as described, puffing up and swelling as soon as I ate food

etc. I would feel myself bulk up and my clothes get tight and uncomfortable.

Brain fog was terrible, stopping mid sentence then getting a totally blank

mind.

My tongue and facial swelling, and yellowed skin came about by being

untreated for so long, and over a two month period I rapidly developed the

myxoedema (swelling) in the upper body especially my upper arms, chest and

abdomen, I felt and looked like the Pluto cartoon character, I could not

fasten any coats. Plus I kept collapsing and ending up in the A & E following

dizzy spells, unable to speak or move for several hours. I could not wear

any rings on my fingers, as they got fat like sausages!!

T3 definitely made a difference. I also believe it has helped my depression

too.

Val

Re: Weight

> > >

> > >

> > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > Bev

> > > >

> > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > Bev,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > >

> > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > >

> > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

> the

> > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

two.

> If

> > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

this.

> > > >

> > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

but

> I

> > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

Do you have any pictures of yourself before all of this and what you are now

talking about, it would help me alot. If you would you can send them to me

direct to my email address. thanks so much.

Bev

<veetee@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

My symptoms were as described, puffing up and swelling as soon as I ate food

etc. I would feel myself bulk up and my clothes get tight and uncomfortable.

Brain fog was terrible, stopping mid sentence then getting a totally blank

mind.

My tongue and facial swelling, and yellowed skin came about by being

untreated for so long, and over a two month period I rapidly developed the

myxoedema (swelling) in the upper body especially my upper arms, chest and

abdomen, I felt and looked like the Pluto cartoon character, I could not

fasten any coats. Plus I kept collapsing and ending up in the A & E following

dizzy spells, unable to speak or move for several hours. I could not wear

any rings on my fingers, as they got fat like sausages!!

T3 definitely made a difference. I also believe it has helped my depression

too.

Val

Re: Weight

> > >

> > >

> > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > Bev

> > > >

> > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > Bev,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > >

> > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > >

> > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

> the

> > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

two.

> If

> > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

this.

> > > >

> > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

but

> I

> > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Val, I have the same mental problems. Its very frustrating and upseting to me at

times. I just cry and cry about the mental thing.

thanks

Bev

<veetee@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

My symptoms were as described, puffing up and swelling as soon as I ate food

etc. I would feel myself bulk up and my clothes get tight and uncomfortable.

Brain fog was terrible, stopping mid sentence then getting a totally blank

mind.

My tongue and facial swelling, and yellowed skin came about by being

untreated for so long, and over a two month period I rapidly developed the

myxoedema (swelling) in the upper body especially my upper arms, chest and

abdomen, I felt and looked like the Pluto cartoon character, I could not

fasten any coats. Plus I kept collapsing and ending up in the A & E following

dizzy spells, unable to speak or move for several hours. I could not wear

any rings on my fingers, as they got fat like sausages!!

T3 definitely made a difference. I also believe it has helped my depression

too.

Val

Re: Weight

> > >

> > >

> > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > Bev

> > > >

> > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > Bev,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > >

> > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > >

> > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

> the

> > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

two.

> If

> > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

this.

> > > >

> > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

but

> I

> > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Bev

Sorry for butting in but could I possible send Gails photography to you

personally

Thanks

Daz

Re: Weight

> > >

> > >

> > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > Bev

> > > >

> > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > Bev,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > >

> > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > >

> > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

> the

> > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

two.

> If

> > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

this.

> > > >

> > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

but

> I

> > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev

Maybe looking at yours and Vals, then Gails. Could possible offer incouragement

to all

Bye

Daz

Re: Weight

> > >

> > >

> > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > Bev

> > > >

> > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > Bev,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > >

> > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

> > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > >

> > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get

> the

> > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

two.

> If

> > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

this.

> > > >

> > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

but

> I

> > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

Sorry, but I'm not set up on my P.C. to send photos unfortunately. I can

tell you something about the yellowed skin though. I went on holiday to

Portugal in the August (before treatment and diagnosis) and the bits of my

skin that were NOT exposed remained yellow against my tan, right up the

December that same year. The colour evened out after two weeks on thyroid

meds that same December. I am black African Caribbean (we DO tan!) and all

my adult life I have had dark pigment in my gums; imagine my surprise that

after two months on thyroid meds, my gums were pink again like I was when I

was a child!

While I was yellow, my skin was waxy in appearance and looked slightly moist

all the time but my face was very cold to the touch.

Very strange!

Val

Re: Weight

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > > Bev

> > > > >

> > > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > > Bev,

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that

you

> > > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you

get

> > the

> > > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your

metabolism

> > > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a

sudden

> > > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

> two.

> > If

> > > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

> this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

> but

> > I

> > > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chuck

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Bev,

The mental thing was just awful for me, like you I used to cry and think I

was geting dementia or something. I rely upon my memory alot, I do court

welfare work and so give evidence in cases. I have to do mediation between

couples as well. Before treatment I would be able to pick up a case file,

read it, and before meeting the couple, remember their names and their

children's names without looking down at the file.

Once the brain fog started I found that I had to write their names on my

hand inconspicuously. Before, when I did not want to think my brain was

letting me down I referred to the couple's as Mum and Dad. I'd say, 'and

what does Dad think about Mum's proposals for contact?' If I forgot their

name half way through an interview that's what I would do. If I forgot their

children's names I would just try hard to remember if they were male or

female and say, what would your daughter/son think of that Mum? Trying to

think too hard made me physically tired as well.

I still have some brain dead moments but they are fleeting and not the

several minutes of nothing, then suddenly I could get three words out before

the brain went again.

I do crosswords every day as it is a concentrated activity and there are

possibly more than one answer to any question, I think it keeps me a bit

sharper brain wise. Mega doses of B12 have also helped as well.

Val

Re: Weight

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > > Bev

> > > > >

> > > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > > Bev,

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that

you

> > > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you

get

> > the

> > > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your

metabolism

> > > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a

sudden

> > > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

> two.

> > If

> > > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

> this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

> but

> > I

> > > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chuck

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

HI Daz,

Sure. Do you have my email address?

Bev

darren ashmore <dashngail@...> wrote:

Bev

Sorry for butting in but could I possible send Gails photography to you

personally

Thanks

Daz

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Daz, have you seen my pics.? If I sent them I don't remember or did you go to

cushings group?

Bev

darren ashmore <dashngail@...> wrote:

Hi Bev

Maybe looking at yours and Vals, then Gails. Could possible offer incouragement

to all

Bye

Daz

Re: Weight

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I bet that was a real cool experience about your gums... I had the waxy skin

when I had the cushings syndrome, but my skin is oily now with the hypo., face

that is , the rest of my body is quite dry.

Bev

<veetee@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

Sorry, but I'm not set up on my P.C. to send photos unfortunately. I can

tell you something about the yellowed skin though. I went on holiday to

Portugal in the August (before treatment and diagnosis) and the bits of my

skin that were NOT exposed remained yellow against my tan, right up the

December that same year. The colour evened out after two weeks on thyroid

meds that same December. I am black African Caribbean (we DO tan!) and all

my adult life I have had dark pigment in my gums; imagine my surprise that

after two months on thyroid meds, my gums were pink again like I was when I

was a child!

While I was yellow, my skin was waxy in appearance and looked slightly moist

all the time but my face was very cold to the touch.

Very strange!

Val

Re: Weight

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > > Bev

> > > > >

> > > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > > Bev,

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that

you

> > > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you

get

> > the

> > > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your

metabolism

> > > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a

sudden

> > > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

> two.

> > If

> > > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

> this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help,

> but

> > I

> > > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chuck

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Val,

Do you think your thyroid meds. have helped your brain fog any?

Bev

<veetee@...> wrote:

Bev,

The mental thing was just awful for me, like you I used to cry and think I

was geting dementia or something. I rely upon my memory alot, I do court

welfare work and so give evidence in cases. I have to do mediation between

couples as well. Before treatment I would be able to pick up a case file,

read it, and before meeting the couple, remember their names and their

children's names without looking down at the file.

Once the brain fog started I found that I had to write their names on my

hand inconspicuously. Before, when I did not want to think my brain was

letting me down I referred to the couple's as Mum and Dad. I'd say, 'and

what does Dad think about Mum's proposals for contact?' If I forgot their

name half way through an interview that's what I would do. If I forgot their

children's names I would just try hard to remember if they were male or

female and say, what would your daughter/son think of that Mum? Trying to

think too hard made me physically tired as well.

I still have some brain dead moments but they are fleeting and not the

several minutes of nothing, then suddenly I could get three words out before

the brain went again.

I do crosswords every day as it is a concentrated activity and there are

possibly more than one answer to any question, I think it keeps me a bit

sharper brain wise. Mega doses of B12 have also helped as well.

Val

Re: Weight

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

Once I settled down on my thyroid meds for the first time in my life I had

dry skin on my face, particularly the bridge of the nose and between what is

left of my eyebrows! Six months on, my skin is back to oily again on my face

like it used to be.

My feet and shins were the worst for dryness. I have had cracked heels all

my life but that changed on meds, and they have stayed relatively soft,

thank God. I was always snagging tights and stirring up a snowstorm of dead

skin cells when I took tights off at the end of the day!!

Val

Re: Weight

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > So, the staring thing is a thyroid thing? HUMMMM.

> > > > > > Bev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

> > > > > > Bev,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that

> you

> > > > > > temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you

> get

> > > the

> > > > > > paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your

> metabolism

> > > > > > instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a

> sudden

> > > > > > extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or

> > two.

> > > If

> > > > > > I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into

> > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will

help,

> > but

> > > I

> > > > > > am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chuck

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >