Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Confronting Lyme Disease What Patient's Stories Tell Us A Review By Connie Siese I give this book ten stars. It is so well written. What an exemplary way to tell stories of the suffering of Lyme Disease patients, not only personal suffering, but the indignity of the medical professionals who ignore us thus causing more suffering, permanent damage and even death. As a Lyme patient since 1993 I would have loved to have information and the courage that this book gives you to be your own advocate and keep searching. This book tells you to never give up. It tells you where and how to seek help. I recommend this book to anyone who is chronically ill so they may learn how of help themselves or others who need an advocate. It also gives caregivers an understanding of this devastating disease. We aren't crazy, we are sick and need help. This book needs to be in every library including medical school libraries. I think it should be required reading for anyone who wants to become a doctor. It covers all aspects-the undiagnosed ,the very ill patient and most importantly the political arena surrounding not only Lyme Disease - but other illnesses that are " given to us " whether it fits or not. My sincerest thanks to all who have contributed to the excellent writing of this book. It is very easy to understand. I found myself in every story told. Most of all, I know that I am not alone in my battle with Lyme Disease. Sincerely living daily with Lyme Disease, Connie Siese, Wayne, Michigan Support Group Leader and Lyme Volunteer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Willem, Breaking the Vicious Cycle from Elaine Gloria Gottschall contains too much unprovable and dangerous bullshit, much like Bee Wilder's infomation on the group that is derived from it. I've critiqued the most dangerous part of the SCD appoach on my updated inulin page as follows, and proven it with copious references also on my site. If you get into the research at all you'll see that SCD adherents have no leg to stand on. What About Elaine Gottschall's Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)? The SCD enshrines a fundamental ignorance of the difference between FOS and inulin fractions and their specific prebiotic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Thank you for the concern Duncan. I don't agree with shredding a system that seems to be helping people because of her ignorance on inulin. >>> What About Elaine Gottschall's Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)? The SCD enshrines a fundamental ignorance of the difference between FOS and inulin fractions and their specific prebiotic <<< Referring only to her book on Breaking the Vicious Cycle...I thought there was a decent amount of research leading a person to consider the specific carb diet. Lately I've been more aware of my reactions to foods before going on the SCD for long term. I'd like to try out the system for a week and then one month and see how I feel when I come out of it. As maybe forgotten already there are many people who found the SCD helpful to them. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0969276818/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/10\ 2-8955114-2647324?ie=UTF8 & customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate & n=283155 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 I can see how your confusion arose, but I don't think I shred a whole " system " as you call it; indeed, my critique only shed light on one of two very simple but very important inaccuracies in the Gottschall approach, in this case the ignorance of the crucially important role inulin plays in bowel ecology. I think because I have more scientific evidence than she had when she wrote it, and I provided references where she did not, that revision is inevitable. So, if that key point I illuminated happens to be foundational to the " system " , the rest of the system may well collapse under it's own weight when it's removed. No foundation, no support. But revision of an old book should not present a problem; it's a natural process to root out mistakes, and revision is obviously much healthier in a health book than no revision. Duncan Crow > > Thank you for the concern Duncan. > I don't agree with shredding a system that seems to be helping people > because of her ignorance on inulin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Duncan Elaine Gottschall, because she failed to mention inulin in her book ten years ago has orchestrated some corrupt dogma? Matsen wrote a decent diet book many years ago titled Eating Alive. He later updated his regime, system, diet to include chelation as he found a number of patients would relapse if they were mercury toxic. As this is just one example authors in this field are revising all the time. Maybe Elaine will have discovered inulin by now and find people can cut the year-long plan in half with prebiotics. Many people are apparently being helped by the Carb Specific Diet...why should this be a crumbling system. I question your motives in this site. Willem Duncan Crow wrote: > > I can see how your confusion arose, but I don't think I shred a > whole " system " as you call it; indeed, my critique only shed light on > one of two very simple but very important inaccuracies in the > Gottschall approach, in this case the ignorance of the crucially > important role inulin plays in bowel ecology. I think because I have > more scientific evidence than she had when she wrote it, and I > provided references where she did not, that revision is inevitable. > > So, if that key point I illuminated happens to be foundational to > the " system " , the rest of the system may well collapse under it's own > weight when it's removed. No foundation, no support. > > But revision of an old book should not present a problem; it's a > natural process to root out mistakes, and revision is obviously much > healthier in a health book than no revision. > > Duncan Crow > Thank you for the concern Duncan. I don't agree with shredding a system that seems to be helping people because of her ignorance on inulin. >>> What About Elaine Gottschall's Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)? The SCD enshrines a fundamental ignorance of the difference between FOS and inulin fractions and their specific prebiotic <<< Referring only to her book on Breaking the Vicious Cycle...I thought there was a decent amount of research leading a person to consider the specific carb diet. Lately I've been more aware of my reactions to foods before going on the SCD for long term. I'd like to try out the system for a week and then one month and see how I feel when I come out of it. As maybe forgotten already there are many people who found the SCD helpful to them. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0969276818/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/10\ 2-8955114-2647324?ie=UTF8 & customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate & n=283155 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Willem, I think Elaine died but the unfinished work lives on as a dogma because she can't finish it. Given the data we have today she pobably would re-incorporate inulin into her advice (and the whey too) Duncan > > > > I can see how your confusion arose, but I don't think I shred a > > whole " system " as you call it; indeed, my critique only shed light on > > one of two very simple but very important inaccuracies in the > > Gottschall approach, in this case the ignorance of the crucially > > important role inulin plays in bowel ecology. I think because I have > > more scientific evidence than she had when she wrote it, and I > > provided references where she did not, that revision is inevitable. > > > > So, if that key point I illuminated happens to be foundational to > > the " system " , the rest of the system may well collapse under it's own > > weight when it's removed. No foundation, no support. > > > > But revision of an old book should not present a problem; it's a > > natural process to root out mistakes, and revision is obviously much > > healthier in a health book than no revision. > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the concern Duncan. > I don't agree with shredding a system that seems to be helping people > because of her ignorance on inulin. > > >>> > What About Elaine Gottschall's Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)? > > The SCD enshrines a fundamental ignorance of the difference > between FOS and inulin fractions and their specific prebiotic > <<< > > Referring only to her book on Breaking the Vicious Cycle...I thought > there was a decent amount of research leading a person to consider the > specific carb diet. Lately I've been more aware of my reactions to > foods before going on the SCD for long term. I'd like to try out the > system for a week and then one month and see how I feel when I come out > of it. > > As maybe forgotten already there are many people who found the SCD > helpful to them. > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer- reviews/0969276818/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-8955114-2647324? ie=UTF8 & customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate & n=283155 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 OK Duncan, enough is enough. I, and many others, have been cured without ever hearing the word inulin. You sell inulin and use this board to promote yourself and products you sell. Inulin as a prebiotic may be an interesting development but it is not a medical/scientific fact. It is a theory based upon an interpretation of information. Moreover, I would encourage those who use this board to understand the candida yeast problem, proceed with caution when considering advice that attempts to micromanage your affliction. In fact, most of it can be ignored. Eat a No sugar low carbo high protein diet, take anti-fungal supplements and probiotics, a good multivitamin, and exercise and you will likely be cured. Keep it simple, but be very strict on the diet. And don't think this will take a long time. After the intitial days of die-off, you will start to heal and feel better. SJM > > > > > > I can see how your confusion arose, but I don't think I shred a > > > whole " system " as you call it; indeed, my critique only shed > light on > > > one of two very simple but very important inaccuracies in the > > > Gottschall approach, in this case the ignorance of the crucially > > > important role inulin plays in bowel ecology. I think because I > have > > > more scientific evidence than she had when she wrote it, and I > > > provided references where she did not, that revision is > inevitable. > > > > > > So, if that key point I illuminated happens to be foundational to > > > the " system " , the rest of the system may well collapse under it's > own > > > weight when it's removed. No foundation, no support. > > > > > > But revision of an old book should not present a problem; it's a > > > natural process to root out mistakes, and revision is obviously > much > > > healthier in a health book than no revision. > > > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the concern Duncan. > > I don't agree with shredding a system that seems to be helping > people > > because of her ignorance on inulin. > > > > >>> > > What About Elaine Gottschall's Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)? > > > > The SCD enshrines a fundamental ignorance of the difference > > between FOS and inulin fractions and their specific prebiotic > > <<< > > > > Referring only to her book on Breaking the Vicious Cycle...I > thought > > there was a decent amount of research leading a person to consider > the > > specific carb diet. Lately I've been more aware of my reactions to > > foods before going on the SCD for long term. I'd like to try out > the > > system for a week and then one month and see how I feel when I come > out > > of it. > > > > As maybe forgotten already there are many people who found the SCD > > helpful to them. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer- > reviews/0969276818/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-8955114-2647324? > ie=UTF8 & customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate & n=283155 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Hi SJM, Congratulations and VERY WELL DONE for curing your candida! Did you drink kefir or eat yogurt as part of your healing? What were the probiotic and anti-fungal supplements you used? Thanks & Love, Pamela smkahoo <smkahoo@...> wrote: OK Duncan, enough is enough. I, and many others, have been cured without ever hearing the word inulin. You sell inulin and use this board to promote yourself and products you sell. Inulin as a prebiotic may be an interesting development but it is not a medical/scientific fact. It is a theory based upon an interpretation of information. Moreover, I would encourage those who use this board to understand the candida yeast problem, proceed with caution when considering advice that attempts to micromanage your affliction. In fact, most of it can be ignored. Eat a No sugar low carbo high protein diet, take anti-fungal supplements and probiotics, a good multivitamin, and exercise and you will likely be cured. Keep it simple, but be very strict on the diet. And don't think this will take a long time. After the intitial days of die-off, you will start to heal and feel better. SJM > > Willem, I think Elaine died but the unfinished work lives on as a > dogma because she can't finish it. Given the data we have today she > pobably would re-incorporate inulin into her advice (and the whey too) > > > Duncan > --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Actually smkahoo, it's the other way around. The SCD micromanages, one could say, because it goes to great lengths to cure without addressing a proven dietary deficiency that has been acknowledged to be the cause of the bowel illness. The SCD also micromanages because taking a probiotic pill and antifungals shouldn't be required. An exception might be systemic mycosis; in that case, sure, take antifungals. I think you should take another look at the research; you'll see my case for addressing deficiency is is air-tight. Replacing the deficient item is only fundamental to health. Far from micromanagement, it's a VERY basic appoach, and one that we would take for ANY deficiency. Could you explain how you arrived at you reasoning that addressing a deficiency of a foundational food component is micromanagement? Duncan Crow > Posted by: " smkahoo " smkahoo@... smkahoo > Date: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:12 am (PDT) > > OK Duncan, enough is enough. I, and many others, have been cured > without ever hearing the word inulin. You sell inulin and use this > board to promote yourself and products you sell. Inulin as a prebiotic > may be an interesting development but it is not a medical/scientific > fact. It is a theory based upon an interpretation of information. > > Moreover, I would encourage those who use this board to understand the > candida yeast problem, proceed with caution when considering advice > that attempts to micromanage your affliction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Hi Willem; I don't mind telling everyone that my motives are to help as many people as I can. Obviously, I don't have to post on the Internet for free, and for thousands to read, all the valuable information I could bill for in any other circumstance; heck, I freely gave you the same information even though you don't seem to like me. In this way I can reach, and teach, many thouands of people couldn't afford a consultation ayway, while billing for only about 10% of my billable office time, just enough to get by on. No ulterior motive there. My commision on inulin amounts to about $15 per month, based solely on sales to people who value my input enough to bother to something off my site instead of someone else's. I'm grateful, and so are they, but it's not even enough to maintain the inulin page of my rather extensive site, and inulin and bowel health are not the only topics I do, and candidiasis is not the only group I do it for. I force nobody, and they can buy from whomever they want. I actually made more money selling my own long-chain inulin and standing in line at the post office to mail it No ulterior motive there either. Any more questions, Willem, and I'd be glad to answer them. Everyone, I've updated a page similar to my main inulin references page, changed the wording to make it specifically applicable to the question of the glaring omission of inulin in the protocols and Gottschall's specific carbohydrate diet (SCD). To be fair, I did acknowledge that both Elaine Gottschall and Hulda would probably have included the new inulin information in their programs had they known about it, and put the blame for the suffocating dogma squarely on the shoulders of the dogmatists rather than on the unfinished works in progress of these esteemed health practitioners. http:members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_probiotic.html As you can see, the data speaks for itself, even to Willem. Duncan Crow > Duncan > Elaine Gottschall, because she failed to mention inulin in her book > ten years ago has orchestrated some corrupt dogma? No, perhaps you misunderstood again Willem that I mean the dogma is perpetuated not by the unfinished work but by the cult that follows any unfinished work without revising it as newer data emerges..... I think it's a fair statement. > Maybe Elaine will have discovered inulin by now and > find people can cut the year-long plan in half with prebiotics. > Many people are apparently being helped by the Carb Specific > Diet...why should this be a crumbling system. I think I answered that -- it's not the whole system that's crumbling, but any work in progress that contains glaring omissions should be subject to revision, and normally is, but is NOT once the dogmatists claim and preach it. It would be tatamount to heresy to them, something like revising the Old Testament to include the " Lost Book Of Enki " . Check it out. > I question your motives in this site. > Willem And I yours, Willem. Your disruption has been noted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Duncan you have misinterpreted my criticism. I made no mention of " SCD " so using them as a straw man is not usful to the point I was making. My warning about micromanaging candida treatment is to keep those who are trying to beat this problem focused on the simple things they must do. I have seen the trend among those who post here that they are looking, with some assistance, for a combination of quick fixes unique to them when the main emphasis should be on the correct diet and common supplements. AS for replacing a " deficiency " , and I'm assuming it is inulin that you are making a case for, it would be pure conjecture, and not scientific fact that a deficiency might exist. Your argument would be more persuasive if you did not also, by chance, sell inulin. > > Actually smkahoo, it's the other way around. > > The SCD micromanages, one could say, because it goes to great > lengths to cure without addressing a proven dietary deficiency > that has been acknowledged to be the cause of the bowel illness. > > The SCD also micromanages because taking a probiotic pill and > antifungals shouldn't be required. > > An exception might be systemic mycosis; in that case, sure, take > antifungals. > > I think you should take another look at the research; you'll see > my case for addressing deficiency is is air-tight. Replacing the > deficient item is only fundamental to health. Far from > micromanagement, it's a VERY basic appoach, and one that we would > take for ANY deficiency. > > Could you explain how you arrived at you reasoning that > addressing a deficiency of a foundational food component is > micromanagement? > > Duncan Crow > > > Posted by: " smkahoo " smkahoo@... smkahoo > > Date: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:12 am (PDT) > > > > OK Duncan, enough is enough. I, and many others, have been cured > > without ever hearing the word inulin. You sell inulin and use this > > board to promote yourself and products you sell. Inulin as a prebiotic > > may be an interesting development but it is not a medical/scientific > > fact. It is a theory based upon an interpretation of information. > > > > Moreover, I would encourage those who use this board to understand the > > candida yeast problem, proceed with caution when considering advice > > that attempts to micromanage your affliction. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Calling Hulda an " esteemed health practitioner " should disqualify you from offering any advise to anyone. In fact, after reading that I would say that your complimenting yourself on your offering of " free " advise on this board is exactly what it's worth. The offerings of Hulda are a total fraud. Curing cancer AND AIDS. It would be funny if not for the fact that some probably believe her. Additionally, it is beyond presumptious to claim that they would have include your interpretation of inulin, if they could. Tell us more about how Hulda cures AIDS? > > Hi Willem; > > I don't mind telling everyone that my motives are to help as many > people as I can. Obviously, I don't have to post on the Internet > for free, and for thousands to read, all the valuable information > I could bill for in any other circumstance; heck, I freely gave > you the same information even though you don't seem to like me. > In this way I can reach, and teach, many thouands of people > couldn't afford a consultation ayway, while billing for only > about 10% of my billable office time, just enough to get by on. > No ulterior motive there. > > My commision on inulin amounts to about $15 per month, based > solely on sales to people who value my input enough to bother to > something off my site instead of someone else's. I'm grateful, > and so are they, but it's not even enough to maintain the inulin > page of my rather extensive site, and inulin and bowel health are > not the only topics I do, and candidiasis is not the only group I > do it for. I force nobody, and they can buy from whomever they > want. I actually made more money selling my own long-chain inulin > and standing in line at the post office to mail it > No ulterior motive there either. > > Any more questions, Willem, and I'd be glad to answer them. > > Everyone, I've updated a page similar to my main inulin > references page, changed the wording to make it specifically > applicable to the question of the glaring omission of inulin in > the protocols and Gottschall's specific carbohydrate diet > (SCD). To be fair, I did acknowledge that both Elaine Gottschall > and Hulda would probably have included the new inulin > information in their programs had they known about it, and put > the blame for the suffocating dogma squarely on the shoulders of > the dogmatists rather than on the unfinished works in progress of > these esteemed health practitioners. > http:members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_probiotic.html > > As you can see, the data speaks for itself, even to Willem. > > Duncan Crow > > > Duncan > > Elaine Gottschall, because she failed to mention inulin in her book > > ten years ago has orchestrated some corrupt dogma? > > No, perhaps you misunderstood again Willem that I mean the dogma > is perpetuated not by the unfinished work but by the cult that > follows any unfinished work without revising it as newer data > emerges..... I think it's a fair statement. > > > > Maybe Elaine will have discovered inulin by now and > > find people can cut the year-long plan in half with prebiotics. > > Many people are apparently being helped by the Carb Specific > > Diet...why should this be a crumbling system. > > I think I answered that -- it's not the whole system that's > crumbling, but any work in progress that contains glaring > omissions should be subject to revision, and normally is, but is > NOT once the dogmatists claim and preach it. It would be > tatamount to heresy to them, something like revising the Old > Testament to include the " Lost Book Of Enki " . Check it out. > > > I question your motives in this site. > > Willem > > And I yours, Willem. Your disruption has been noted > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I should have made the point of inulin deficiency more clearly; if you missed it, so could have many others. Research shows the average consumption of inulin in the diet in North America and presumably at least some other developed countries is between about 2.6 to 3.6 grams daily, and in other work the researchers pegged optimal probiotic growth at a daily intake in the range of about 12-15 grams. Further, other research shows that the threshold of measurable probiotic increase due to inulin consumption starts at about five grams PER DOSE. These points and the inulin references behind them are revealed in Tungland's review, posted here: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_review.html This is hardly conjecture. I'm satisfied that the above information reveals a probable dietary deficiency in many people. One can indeed guess the ballpark of the deficiency by taking a cursory look at diet. And the proof is revealed by the outcome of practical application; taking inulin broth, as has been practiced medically for about 5,000 years in China, and 2,000 years in Europe, has been one of the most helpful things that people with bowel disorders have experienced. I agree that quick fixes are not what is required, but attending to deficiency including inulin deficiency is a no-brainer. I don't care if they eat the " several servings " of high-inulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Calling Hulda a " total fraud " without offering a smattering of proof reveals much more about the writer than about . I don't think such comments belong on any discussion board. I'm sure the moderator of this one would agree, and I'm quite confident that she has already contacted you on this point. Someone once posted that H. was a fraud on 50Plus magazine's discussion board; her lawyers soon contacted the mag, proposing a lawsuit, and 50Plus understandably purged the post in less than 24 hours. And, as HIV treatment discussion is beyond the scope of this group, as well as not having tried the approach on it myself, It would be unfair to offer an opinion. Are you in a position to judge, based on your failure to eradicate it? If so you, I'd advise that you join the ozonetherapy group and beck-n- stuff. Duncan Crow > Posted by: " smkahoo " smkahoo@... smkahoo > Date: Sun Oct 1, 2006 10:26 pm (PDT) > > Calling Hulda an " esteemed health practitioner " should > disqualify you from offering any advise to anyone. In fact, after > reading that I would say that your complimenting yourself on your > offering of " free " advise on this board is exactly what it's worth. > > The offerings of Hulda are a total fraud. Curing cancer AND > AIDS. It would be funny if not for the fact that some probably believe > her. > > Additionally, it is beyond presumptious to claim that they would have > include your interpretation of inulin, if they could. > > Tell us more about how Hulda cures AIDS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Until Hulda PROVES her claim of curing AIDS and cancer she can be considered a total fraud. It is her obligation to prove what she claims! Further, your own credibilty seems more questionable than ever. You first suggest that I not mention this on this board (Hulda is refered to on this board as relates to candida and is fair game) and then, in support of , introduce the notion that I might be sued. Hulda CLark is a fraud, as is anybody who supports her, and I welcome a call from her lawyer. So Duncan, because you have not tried 's approach to AIDS you are witholding judjement? You also suggest that my criticism of might be based on my failure to eradicate AIDS myself. What a low class attempt to stigmatize me. One need not have AIDS to offer opinions about those who claim to cure it. Your invitation to the moderator of this board to question me is also interesting. You don't like people asking questions about your advise, why? TO the moderator I would say that it is my interest to protect people from frauds, and others who would take advantage of those trying to solve a medical problem. My comments about ,and you, are to prevent people on this board from taking advise that might not be in their interest. SJM > > Calling Hulda a " total fraud " without offering a smattering > of proof reveals much more about the writer than about . > > I don't think such comments belong on any discussion board. I'm > sure the moderator of this one would agree, and I'm quite > confident that she has already contacted you on this point. > > Someone once posted that H. was a fraud on 50Plus > magazine's discussion board; her lawyers soon contacted the mag, > proposing a lawsuit, and 50Plus understandably purged the post in > less than 24 hours. > > And, as HIV treatment discussion is beyond the scope of this > group, as well as not having tried the approach on it > myself, It would be unfair to offer an opinion. Are you in a > position to judge, based on your failure to eradicate it? If so > you, I'd advise that you join the ozonetherapy group and beck-n- > stuff. > > Duncan Crow > > > Posted by: " smkahoo " smkahoo@... smkahoo > > Date: Sun Oct 1, 2006 10:26 pm (PDT) > > > > Calling Hulda an " esteemed health practitioner " should > > disqualify you from offering any advise to anyone. In fact, after > > reading that I would say that your complimenting yourself on your > > offering of " free " advise on this board is exactly what it's worth. > > > > The offerings of Hulda are a total fraud. Curing cancer AND > > AIDS. It would be funny if not for the fact that some probably believe > > her. > > > > Additionally, it is beyond presumptious to claim that they would have > > include your interpretation of inulin, if they could. > > > > Tell us more about how Hulda cures AIDS? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 SJM You are on a timeout for the moment. I am sure you will be upset, but for now, it is the best for the group as a whole. Please do not email people offline to argue your points for now...just please chill out!!! nieema Oh you can email me and let me know how you are doing and we can talk!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 " My comments about ,and you, are to prevent people on this board from taking advise that might not be in their interest. " I am a new member of this very helpful and interesting board and have a question for you...Who died and made you my guardian? I haven't asked for and don't want your meddling into what is or isn't in my interest. Thank you, anyway. And I don't think Duncan was even vaguely attempting to stigmatize you. Worry about yourself and stop trying to " save " others. As far as I know, poor Dr. is dead and can't defend herself or her protocols. Some of which are effective and fascinating. Respectfully, Beverle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Re one of my heros, Hulda , she was a researh scientist working at IU and was bothered by a type of herpes that afflicted her eyes. She went to an alternative medic who used amino acid combinations in a treatment that brought her relief. She was so impressed that she continued his work in this area. The fruits of her labor led to her work in the area of HIV and AIDS. She has written an entire book on that subject. The price of her books is not high and they are packed with information. As with all books on alternative health, as new findings are uncovered, information in the books can become obsolete. So I would not read the aforementioned book, without also reading her latest book, The Prevention of All Cancers. And I would extract what works for you in conjunction with everything you know already about keeping yourself healthy. If you never read another of my posts because Hulda is my hero, then so be it. But I have to tell you that I find that the " cut off your nose to spite your face " attitude sad, when the alternative is to reap whatever truth you can from all the findings available and merely leave what doesn't work behind. -Lori > > Calling Hulda an " esteemed health practitioner " should > disqualify you from offering any advise to anyone. In fact, after > reading that I would say that your complimenting yourself on your > offering of " free " advise on this board is exactly what it's worth. > > The offerings of Hulda are a total fraud. Curing cancer AND > AIDS. It would be funny if not for the fact that some probably > believe her. > > Additionally, it is beyond presumptious to claim that they would > have include your interpretation of inulin, if they could. > > Tell us more about how Hulda cures AIDS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Hulda has no doubt made some very questionable claims, but that doesn't mean everything she has said must be discarded. Some of her cleanses have been very helpful to many people. ita > > Calling Hulda an " esteemed health practitioner " should > disqualify you from offering any advise to anyone. In fact, after > reading that I would say that your complimenting yourself on your > offering of " free " advise on this board is exactly what it's worth. > > The offerings of Hulda are a total fraud. Curing cancer AND > AIDS. It would be funny if not for the fact that some probably > believe her. > > Additionally, it is beyond presumptious to claim that they would > have include your interpretation of inulin, if they could. > > Tell us more about how Hulda cures AIDS? > > > > Hi Willem; > > > > I don't mind telling everyone that my motives are to help as many > > people as I can. Obviously, I don't have to post on the Internet > > for free, and for thousands to read, all the valuable information > > I could bill for in any other circumstance; heck, I freely gave > > you the same information even though you don't seem to like me. > > In this way I can reach, and teach, many thouands of people > > couldn't afford a consultation ayway, while billing for only > > about 10% of my billable office time, just enough to get by on. > > No ulterior motive there. > > > > My commision on inulin amounts to about $15 per month, based > > solely on sales to people who value my input enough to bother to > > something off my site instead of someone else's. I'm grateful, > > and so are they, but it's not even enough to maintain the inulin > > page of my rather extensive site, and inulin and bowel health are > > not the only topics I do, and candidiasis is not the only group I > > do it for. I force nobody, and they can buy from whomever they > > want. I actually made more money selling my own long-chain inulin > > and standing in line at the post office to mail it > > No ulterior motive there either. > > > > Any more questions, Willem, and I'd be glad to answer them. > > > > Everyone, I've updated a page similar to my main inulin > > references page, changed the wording to make it specifically > > applicable to the question of the glaring omission of inulin in > > the protocols and Gottschall's specific carbohydrate diet > > (SCD). To be fair, I did acknowledge that both Elaine Gottschall > > and Hulda would probably have included the new inulin > > information in their programs had they known about it, and put > > the blame for the suffocating dogma squarely on the shoulders of > > the dogmatists rather than on the unfinished works in progress of > > these esteemed health practitioners. > > http:members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_probiotic.html > > > > As you can see, the data speaks for itself, even to Willem. > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > > Duncan > > > Elaine Gottschall, because she failed to mention inulin in her > book > > > ten years ago has orchestrated some corrupt dogma? > > > > No, perhaps you misunderstood again Willem that I mean the dogma > > is perpetuated not by the unfinished work but by the cult that > > follows any unfinished work without revising it as newer data > > emerges..... I think it's a fair statement. > > > > > > > Maybe Elaine will have discovered inulin by now and > > > find people can cut the year-long plan in half with prebiotics. > > > Many people are apparently being helped by the Carb Specific > > > Diet...why should this be a crumbling system. > > > > I think I answered that -- it's not the whole system that's > > crumbling, but any work in progress that contains glaring > > omissions should be subject to revision, and normally is, but is > > NOT once the dogmatists claim and preach it. It would be > > tatamount to heresy to them, something like revising the Old > > Testament to include the " Lost Book Of Enki " . Check it out. > > > > > I question your motives in this site. > > > Willem > > > > And I yours, Willem. Your disruption has been noted > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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