Supplements

[Guest guest]

Dear Dina

Can you please tell me what supplements you are taking? I have been Hyper

for the best of the last 17 years. I take neomercozole and later PTU to

control it. The last episode started in Sept98 and I havent been taking

anything as I am sick of the tablets.

Thats why I am looking at the way & this group's opinion. I would like

very much to get your opinion too.

thanks

> supplements

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I had a Dr's appt Wed and got my blood test back Fri and I hve gone back

> to hyperT again, as I had been feeling so much better that I had stopped

> taking the supplements. Now I am back on them again and hope to start

> doing better again. Thank sjohn for all your continued research. Dina

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[Guest guest]

Well and Gang, I've been on the supplements for three weeks. I cannot say

that I feel any better or have more energy (it may be the heat.) But I no longer

have any edema of the legs and my muscles are more flexable. So things are

getting better.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/23/99 9:29:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

purecopy@... writes:

<< Subj: Supplements

Date: 7/23/99 9:29:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: purecopy@... (purecopy-can-spain)

BU007@...

Thank you very much for the supplement information.

Here is a little history about myself. I have been taking Super Stress Mega

B complex vitamins - with 1000mg of C for 7 years consistantly. Unfortunatley

without the C my gums bleed.

Since December 1999 - I started taking Spirulina 1/2 tablespoon mixed in

Carrot juice everyday.

Since December also I was using Progesterone Cream 1/2 tsp everyday.

I was also taking - Ginko Biloba Extract - Dandilion Extract - Cal Plus

extract made from " Horsetail grass, marshmallow root and alfalfa "

In May I was feeling a little weak in the Gym, and because I haven't eaten

much protein for years, especially this year I decided to try and replace

this with soy protein Isolate. I mixed this with soy milk and drank a glass

everyday for about 1 month - about the same time I added Zinc to my vitamin

program.Zinc20mg with Copper 1mg and beta carotene 5,000 iu also I started

Calcium and Magnesium supplements instead of feeling more energetic I became

weaker, I haven't been able to work out for 2months. My feet hurt so I

thought I was allergic to the soy, I quit taking soy and the spirulina and

the Zinc on June 26/1999. I quit using the progesteron on July 10 after I

was told I had Hypertyroidism. I have not had any really knowledgeble input

as to why or how or what is lacking or what is too much, It's just the same

old thing the Doctor's don't have time or the knowledge to explain so they

simpley say " Here take these pills and lets hope for the best " I think the

only reason I wasn't given the RDI when I went to see my endo is because I

had taken 1 lethicin pill a week before so he said he couldn't give me the

RDI he gave me the tapazol instead. Yesterday I went to the naturopath I

asked for supplements, but this morning I see you have a great deal more and

say do not take iodine and zinc until the copper is up. Well, I am off to

purchase the individual vitamins Before I have to use the Tapazole. I will

definitely let you and the others know how effective the supplements are. If

you have any ideas as to the things I was taking please let me know.

I suspect- 1/ not enough protein 2/ something that is in the spriulina 3/

Soy products 4/ Zinc 5/ the progesterone (I asked the naturaopath about the

progesterone but he said he didn't think that would cause the Hypertyroidism.

But youv'e got information that progesterone works on the thyroid. ?Who knows?

Thank you again

Sheri

>>

Hi Sheri,

Thanks for the informative email. I used to have the same bleeding

gums problem and did exactly the same--take lots of vitamin C. We know that

vitamin C is important in this area because a deficiency causes scurvy which

results in bleeding gums and an overall breakdown of the body's collagen.

Now however, I realize that vitamin C doesn't work alone but must have other

nutrients including protein and copper. While vitamin C can help somewhat

with bleeding gums and other collagen problems, insufficient copper will

prevent the body from being able to fully repair the collagen in the gums.

Once I started taking copper, I no longer have bleeding gums. I think

bleeding gums, in the absence of a vitamin C deficiency, is a good indication

that copper is deficient.

I used to take a " greens " product with spirulina and also thought

that it was a negative factor. I'm not sure why--spirulina is very complex

and has many things in it. It seems that it should be good, but my

experience didn't support that.

I also felt that ginkgo biloba was a negative factor, so I stay away

from that too. Again, I have no idea why.

I also pretty much stayed away from soy. Although it would seem to

help, because it is a good source of phyto-estrogens which some people claim

suppress the thyroid, I never found that it helped. Perhaps it is a problem

for hypers because it doesn't contain saturated fat as meat does. A

deficiency of saturated fat has been shown to increase thyroid production in

experimental animals.

The zinc and copper supplement that you took had too much zinc for

the copper. The 20:1 ratio would make hyperT worse. The ratio has to be

less than 5 and at the beginning a 1:1 ratio (or no zinc at all) is probably

better. I experienced the same weakening and muscle catabolism until I

started taking copper. I was taking 50-100 mg of zinc a day without copper.

I had sore feet also. It seemed to be a painful swelling of the

metatarsal joint (I also had this in one finger). It seems that extra B-6

helps this. However, B-6 also increases zinc utilization, so be careful with

this at the start.

I would agree with all of your suspicions about the factors which

contributed to your case of hyperT. I would add also: lack of saturated fat

and insufficient copper (excess zinc) and lack of other factors in copper

metabolism (see Supplement List). Thanks for your letter.

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I've been using the Evening Primrose Oil for about 2 months. It is helping

quite a bit. my hair is a little healthier every day (mostly where it is

growing in) and the amount of hair I'm losing is going down every day.

I believe it takes quite awhile for the supplement to reach it's full

effects. But it's worth it.

Dawn

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I am all ears. I will not use the RAI again. My tsh is 0.016 and RAI was

May 99. Now, I have TED although moderate. I am ashamed of my eyes and

avoid eye contact whenever possible.

This is a horrible disease but, I try to remain positve.

supplements

>Hi,

>My name is Eileen from the web site. Have you seen the supplement list? It

>includes hypo ideas. I have increased my copper intake (hyper) and

selenium (rid

>myself of toxic metals) and in fact the B-complex, biotin and paba.

>

>I was brought to normal TSH, T3,T4 with acupuncture and Chinese herbs.

>It took 31 treatments. My symptoms were heat and heart palpitations.

>The wonderful thing about Eastern medicine is that with each visit the

herbs

>changed. Sometimes they were for thyroid and other times for bowels,

digestion,

>anger, and sleep/tiredness/energy. It cost $50 for 1/2 hour and then $12

each

>week for the herbs.

>

>It was the first sickness I ever tried this method. It was a great

experience. It

>took 1 year and $1800. I will do it again if the TSH goes to hyper again.

In fact,

>it will Feb1 that I go for a 3 month check up. The TSH was .95 when i

stopped

>treatment. I had to save for Christmas. I am still tired. But I walked 5

miles a

>day and increased stamina and muscle. I did this for a month on a

temporary job

>from work to home daily.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

If I'm remembering correctly, primrose has been proven to be benefical

in may people with arthritis who take it. So that definitely doesn't

sound crazy, at least not to me! Also, several studies have been done

that showed that MSM does good things for people with osteoarthritis ~

the kind that comes from wear and tear. It hasn't been proven (yet) to

have positive affects on inflammatory type arthritis but if it's not

causing any harm, why not?

Personally, I prefer using products that are regulated by the FDA

because that we can be more certain that the product doesn't include

other (potentially dangerous) contaminants and that the amount of dose

is consistent from one batch to the next. When they've done independent

research on supplements sold over the counter, these two issues have

been noted to be problematic. Usually it's not dangerous. Sometimes, it

can be.

Since you mentioned your experience with beta-carotene, I might as well

add here that I'm currently taking mega doses of vitamin C and zinc

myself, to ward off cold symptoms.

Lots of people here are getting sick and if this can give me some

protection, hey ... why not?!?

Take care,

Georgina

akally@... wrote:

>

> From: akally@...

>

> Hello everyone,

> I swear by the supplements that I give Tally. Crazy as it sounds, when I

> don't give him the evening primrose tablets and the MSM, I see a difference.

> Both his last flares came during times when I stopped giving him the

> supplements.

> People often don't accept that the absence of something very small from

> your diet can have such debilitating results. But when you think of all the

> things we have found out it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Our

> salt has iodine in it to prevent iodine deficiency, folic acid is known to

> help with birth defects such as spina bifida, lemons for scurvy... the list

> is really pretty long. None of these nutrients above are required in large

> amounts but without them, disease happens.

> Don't be so harsh on those of us who swear by different supplements. When

> I was 4, my eyes were very, very bad. They told my parents that I would

> wear glasses for the rest of my life. My grandmother insisted my mom put me

> on foods full of beta caratene and vitamins. Within a couple of years, my

> eyes had corrected themselves. Yes, they might have done that by themselves,

> but the beta caratene didn't hurt.

> There's a really good movie out called Lorenzo's Oil. I'm many of you

> have seen it but if not, rent it. There's another out as well dealing with

> epilepsy. But I can't remember the name of that one.

> kathy

[Guest guest]

The supplement list has been posted again just in the last few days so you

will have to go back on the forum and look for it. It is in two parts.

Good luck, Debbie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/00 7:03:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, point@...

writes:

<< My supplements include:

vitamin B12 - 400 mcg

selenium - 200 mcg

copper - 2 mg

chromium - 100 mcg

Are these amounts sufficient? Where is the Supplement List, please?

Thanks,

Fran >>

Hi Fran,

The Supplement List is on www.iThyroid.com. Look in the Table of

Contents. You may need to take more B12, perhaps as much as 1000-3000 mcg per

day. Selenium 300-400 mcg. Copper 5-8 mgs. Chromium, 400-600 mcg. These are

approximate and can depend upon your deficiencies. Also B complex with extra

niacin, biotin, and PABA can help. Before long you should be able to tolerate

iodine in the form of kelp and this can help reduce any goiter you might

have. A good trace mineral supplement helps. Stay away from zinc, manganese,

and iron for now. Later, once your hyper symptoms subside you will probably

need some of these. Take a look at the info at iThyroid and if you have any

questions, ask here or on the bulletin board there.

[Guest guest]

My supplements include:

vitamin B12 - 400 mcg

selenium - 200 mcg

copper - 2 mg

chromium - 100 mcg

Are these amounts sufficient? Where is the Supplement List, please?

Thanks,

Fran

Re: need info today!

>Hi ,

> You should definitely back out of the RAI and my advice would be to

start

>looking for another doctor. I think it's absolutely criminal for these

>doctors to rush people into RAI. RAI is a completely unnecessary procedure

>and hopefully it will be put back into the closet of medical atrocities

along

>with prefrontal lobotomies. To cut out a part of the body that is so

>essential to health just because they don't understand what is going on is

>abominable.

> I am quite confident that your health problems are the result of

>nutritional deficiencies. From the description of your symptoms, it sounds

>like you are anemic. Generally when you have hyperthyroidism, you have

>copper-deficiency anemia as opposed to iron deficiency anemia, but you

could

>be deficient in both copper and iron. Chest pains, shortness of breath,

weak

>leg muscles are all symptoms of anemia. Many women don't lose weight when

>hyper so weight loss is not a good indicator of anemia and hyperT.

> It's a good idea to get a hair analysis to see exactly what your

>deficiencies are. Blood tests don't work well to determine these. Based

upon

>the analyses that I've seen, I would suspect that you are low in copper,

>iron, chromium, selenium, and cobalt (vitamin B12). By following the

>recommendations on the Supplement List on this site, you should be able to

>correct your problems.

> It may take a little while, but we are here to help.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, 's site! I have that one already bookmarked

Marinda. Thank you.

I did not have the other one by Mike. It looks like it is a wealth of

information.

I had my blood test for the TSH receptor antibodies yesterday. Turns out

the nurse who drew my blood was treated for Graves disease for almost

20 years. Then her thyroid grew nodules and they needed to remove it.

She was quite familiar with what my tests said.

She did say one thing that concerned me: she always tested negative

fir GD. BUT, somehow they treated her for it.

Pat

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-----Original Message-----

From: angelodd13@... Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:08 PM

Hi everyone... could someone tell me where I could get supplements

online from a viable source? I need to get some probiotics and

natural anti-fungals but don't know where to buy them online. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/11/02 11:24:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, rthornton@... writes:

Harper, I am not currently on any supplements for calcium or other vitamins. I eat a pretty healthy diet, but know that the drugs can cause certain deficiencies and/or absorption problems. May I ask, do you take daily supplements? Maybe I should talk to the doc about this. They seem only to tell me what I specifically ask about. In other words, one can't assume that if they wanted you to take something they would have told you!

Here's the information I have on supplements; I think it's a pretty standard, middle-of-the-road medical viewpoint. I repeat some things because there are always new people in our group.

1) Vitamins:

Use a standard daily multi-vitamin unless one's doctor recommends some additonal vitamin or mineral, as they very well may. You probably do need to take the standard daily vitamin, even if you didn't before you developed AIH. My doctor told me it was very important for me to use the standard multi-vitamin now.

Excessive vitamin use (especially Vitamin A) can be extremely harmful, and herbs are mostly risky. Don't take anything, not herbs, not vitamins, not cough syrup, not anything, without discussing it with your doctor. I'd also double-check it on-line; doctors and pharmacists can overlook information or be mistaken.

2) Calcium:

Prednisone leaches calcium from the bones (and drops it into the bloodstream, leading to an increased incidence of kidney stones, but that's another story.) Therefore, one needs to take about 1500 mg of calcium with vitamin D added to improve absorption. Some people may need more if they have a special osteoporosis condition. If you are eating a very large amount of dairy products, you should cut back on calcium to avoid kidney damage.

Calcium supplements are a good idea for most women, even without Prednisone.

3) Fosamax and related drugs:

These are particularly needed by people whose bone density scans show they have a problem with weakened bones. Fosamax-type oral drugs can be harmful for some people with esophagal difficulties; they can use similar nasal spray products.

Bone loss is a very, very serious problem. One of our group lost (I think) three inches in height in one year, with extreme weakening of her rib cage. I don't want to dwell on the difficulties this causes her.

Harper

[Guest guest]

Thanks Harper. Great information. My weight-bearing excercise is

even more important now, of course. I assume the benefits as far as

[weight lifting] preventing, and even reversing, osteoporosis carry

over to us as well...and is of increased importance. I think I may

still need a bit of calcium, though. I am generally opposed to herbal

supplements, and many excess vitamins can be dangerous too, so I am

super cautious now. I will talk to my doc about the specifics!

Thanks again.

> In a message dated 2/11/02 11:24:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> rthornton@u... writes:

>

>

> > Harper, I am not currently on any supplements for calcium or

other

> > vitamins. I eat a pretty healthy diet, but know that the drugs

can

> > cause certain deficiencies and/or absorption problems. May I

ask, do

> > you take daily supplements? Maybe I should talk to the doc about

> > this. They seem only to tell me what I specifically ask about.

In

> > other words, one can't assume that if they wanted you to take

> >

>

> Here's the information I have on supplements; I think it's a pretty

standard,

> middle-of-the-road medical viewpoint. I repeat some things because

there are

> always new people in our group.

> 1) Vitamins:

> Use a standard daily multi-vitamin unless one's doctor recommends

some

> additonal vitamin or mineral, as they very well may. You probably

do need to

> take the standard daily vitamin, even if you didn't before you

developed AIH.

> My doctor told me it was very important for me to use the standard

> multi-vitamin now.

> Excessive vitamin use (especially Vitamin A) can be extremely

harmful, and

> herbs are mostly risky. Don't take anything, not herbs, not

vitamins, not

> cough syrup, not anything, without discussing it with your doctor.

I'd also

> double-check it on-line; doctors and pharmacists can overlook

information or

> be mistaken.

>

> 2) Calcium:

> Prednisone leaches calcium from the bones (and drops it into the

bloodstream,

> leading to an increased incidence of kidney stones, but that's

another

> story.) Therefore, one needs to take about 1500 mg of calcium with

vitamin D

> added to improve absorption. Some people may need more if they

have a

> special osteoporosis condition. If you are eating a very large

amount of

> dairy products, you should cut back on calcium to avoid kidney

damage.

> Calcium supplements are a good idea for most women, even without

Prednisone.

>

> 3) Fosamax and related drugs:

> These are particularly needed by people whose bone density scans

show they

> have a problem with weakened bones. Fosamax-type oral drugs can be

harmful

> for some people with esophagal difficulties; they can use similar

nasal spray

> products.

>

> Bone loss is a very, very serious problem. One of our group lost

(I think)

> three inches in height in one year, with extreme weakening of her

rib cage.

> I don't want to dwell on the difficulties this causes her.

> Harper

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Is that ALL salad greens?? Are there any greens etc.. which don't do this (broccoli, for instance, is good)? It seems amazing to think that salads have to 'go' when they are such a healthy food.

Thanks,

Peta

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristee:

Look for the * which begins my statements.

Someone posted that they do not eat salads. Could you please

share as to why not? (Sorry to be in the newbie phase).

*Salad greens contain cadmium which sets off hyper

symptoms. It effects tcopper and zinc. This is why it is

suggested not to eat these if one is hyperthyroid.

Also curious what you substitute for milk? I have been

drinking a fair amount. I love soy milk but read somewhere

that can cause not only hypo (which is a nonissue at this

point) but also cause goiters. Does anyone know this to be

true? So, are other soy products okay too? (I am allergic to

regular cheese and love soy cheese grilled sandwiches.)

*If I read things right Soy products is OK for the

hyperthyroid. It's suppose to tame down the hyperthyroid

symptoms. People who are hypothyroid should not take it.

People who are euthyroid can become hypothyroid if they

consume too much soy products. I drink soy milk

ocassionally.

[Guest guest]

What about rice milk? Have seen this in the health food stores but never tried it.

supplements

I learned a good lesson today. I'm slowly trying to 'unravel' this mystery. I was afraid to restart my multivitamin today-which I ran out of last month in addition to the stress. So, I looked at the panel of ingredients and read also what is important on the ithyroid.com site. This famous store chain vitamin contains " Trymethylglycine," or TMG for short. Speaking of supplements, herbs, etc. I looked this up on the internet. It happens to be related to "SAME" which is used for depression. I feel as though this was a cover up by the vitamin co. So, I'm just cautioning all to be aware of each of the ingredients. My running out of them--not weaning off of them and possibly having a chemical imbalance from the TMG probably didn't help this situation. Anyway, I went back to my 'old' vitamin today--just starting out with a quarter--and already a good difference. I was actually hungry for dinner and it smelled good. Someone posted that they do not eat salads. Could you please share as to why not? (Sorry to be in the newbie phase). Also curious what you substitute for milk? I have been drinking a fair amount. I love soy milk but read somewhere that can cause not only hypo (which is a nonissue at this point) but also cause goiters. Does anyone know this to be true? So, are other soy products okay too? (I am allergic to regular cheese and love soy cheese grilled sandwiches.) Anyway, it's too soon to tell but this group and the pointers you have shared have reinstilled hope. Hope everyone is having a nice evening. Kristee

[Guest guest]

I avoid all types of lettuce - however broccoli is GREAT for hypers and so are other green vegetables except for the leafy types: red, butter, romaine and iceburg lettuce.

Re: Re: supplements

Hi, Is that ALL salad greens?? Are there any greens etc.. which don't do this (broccoli, for instance, is good)? It seems amazing to think that salads have to 'go' when they are such a healthy food. Thanks, Peta

[Guest guest]

What about rice milk? Have seen this in the health food

stores but never tried it.

*I understand that consuming rice will make things worst for

the hyperthyroid. I ate an oriental rice dinner for lunch

yesterday (a rare thing for me to eat) and after awhile for

the next few hours I was quite hyper.

[Guest guest]

I have rice milk. We have this stuff in the UK called " Rice Dream " and you

can have it in original or vanilla. it tastes just like rice pudding only

not so sweet. Vanilla rice milk is good to make porridge with cus it makes

it taste less like yukky sludge. Oh, and it doesnt make me hyper. Yey.

xxxx

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Reply-hyperthyroidism

hyperthyroidism

Subject: Re: supplements

Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:30:12 -0700

What about rice milk? Have seen this in the health food

stores but never tried it.

*I understand that consuming rice will make things worst for

the hyperthyroid. I ate an oriental rice dinner for lunch

yesterday (a rare thing for me to eat) and after awhile for

the next few hours I was quite hyper.

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[Guest guest]

hi kristen:

I'm new to this group, and trying to figure things

out.

I found out in Nov. 99, I was hyperthyroid. Doctor

convience me that RAI was the only way to go due to my

irregular heart beat, which was the only symptom that

I had.

After treatment, and on PTU, I was so sick could not

drink any milk, which I love, or any dairy products. I

gain 150 pounds and the doctors think it is just too

much food, and not enough exercise.

My moodswings are so screwed up, I was on 50mg a day,

then cut to 25mg a day. Because I was throwing up and

could hold food down. After all this weigh gain,brain

fog, could not make any decision, and felt a sense of

depression. The doctor stated this was normal. I said

if this is normal, then I prefer to be like I was

before, full of energy, working and going to school

fulltime.

I decided to just not go to the doctor anymore.

My husband and I would love to have a baby, I'm 38

(next month 39 how depressing) and haven't had my

first child yet.

After not taking any medication I'm starting to feel

alittle better. I can feel my energy levels but,

somedays I'm very tired. I have been taking a

Pre-natal vitiman. 3 times a week. I have been off PTU

for 4 months.

I still like my milk, why is it bad? And SOY? I hate

that stuff.

Thanks, and let me know.

Sally

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> I am currently taking Synthroid and that is all I have ever taken.

I am

> having a tough time losing weight and I'm always cold. What

supplements are others taking that you would recommend?>>

You may want to check out the Fat Flush Plan - there's a book by the

same name and a forum at ivillage.com. There seems to be a lot of

Hypo people who have found success with this diet. It's quite

restrictive and gears one to a more natural diet, free of processed

foods, fats, sugars - it's about a lifestyle change. There's also

recommendations for suppliments.

I've been doing my own thing - but it seems it was similar to this

diet (I've just read the book). I've noticed a huge reduction in

symptoms and have also lost weight. I'm still working on the cold

thing - now that it's winter, it seems twice as bad.

[Guest guest]

There's a link on Shomon's " about.com " page that shows suggested

supplements a hypo person COULD take. Be aware that not all bodies

are the same thus not every supplement will affect you the same.

IMO, the best thing you can do for yourself is get a really good

multi-vitamin, something super absorbable(liquid preferred). Beyond

that, is up to the individual.

P.

> I am currently taking Synthroid and that is all I have ever taken.

I am

> having a tough time losing weight and I'm always cold. What

supplements are

> others taking that you would recommend?

[Guest guest]

>

>I have been looking for new candida products to get me back to being my

>active self. In looking & in also reading this list I am confused. Can

>you just push yeast out by overpopulating good bacteria? If so how does

>that work? If so can you have " die-off " using good bacteria?

Clearing the slate first with antifungals isn't a bad idea, but the short

answer is yes. Depends on how much of a hold the yeast has.Without

improving bowel flora people will always have limited success with a

candida program.

Good bacteria produce both lactic acid which makes the pH too low for

yeast, and they also produce certain toxins depending on their type that

help them outcompete other organisms. Die-off should not be produced

because the process doesn't rely on 'killing' as much as 'outcompeting'

the yeast by preventing them from thriving. Changing the bowel flora is a

gentle process.

Here's the information on Inulin. The page contains many references; I

can recommend the " Inulin: a Comprehensive Scientific Review " as the best

one. It would make a good course.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

>cannot change the structure of its cell wall. When the wall is

>ruptured, the yeast dies, but without being able to release any toxins!

When a cell wall ruptures, there is no control over whether the cell

releases its toxins and/or is digested, which may or may not produce

toxic by products. So that statement that it does not is probably not

true.

> myself about PH being important-I can't take garlic with out taking it

> with 8oz water with 2 TBS. of lemon juice or I get extreme die off.

Lemon juice also has vitamin C in it. The die off is a reaction to

toxins. Most toxins are actually free radicals and vitamin C, being an

antioxidant, helps to quench them so you don't react to them. If you go

on an antioxidant program rather than just the vitamin C you should be

able to tolerate die-off a lot better. Same process works on colds and

flu.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

The BrainSustain neuroactive capsule empties and disolves easily into

a liquid and doesn't have any of the vitamins and other nutrients

such as Niacin. It has N-acetyl-cysteine, phosphatidylserine, acetyl-

L-carnitine, alpha lipoic acid, coenzyme Q10, and Ginkgo biloba. It

is much easier to administer than the Brain Sustain powder. We give

1 capsule of Vinpocetine and 1 capsule of Brain Sustain

Neuroactives and 1 vitamin E capsule a day. Perhaps you could give

Max a 1/2 capsule of each of these a day, since he is about 1/2 of

s weight.

Dave Snow

> Hi all,

> I was hoping someone can better instruct me on how to give Max the

> supplements Dr. Neubauer suggests. For anyone who has been there

you know they give you

> a list of several herbal/nutritional supp. to get them on. But

when asking

> what dosage to give Max they say just a 'small amount' I 'm not

comfortable

> with that. He is very sensitive to anything you give him. He is

only 16 months

> and 20lbs. Can anyone recommend the dosage appropriate for a

baby.

> The ones I have are the following

> CoQ10

> Vit C

> Pycnogenol

> Ginseng

> Ginkgo

> vinpocetine

> Just a heads up, Dr. Perlmutter made a product called Brain

Sustain that

> would replace all of these and more. Dr Neubauer is recommending

this. We

> tried it in July and Max had a terrible reaction to it . vomiting,

gagging. I

> also spoke to a few other moms at the clinic. One 19 year old felt

she was on

> fire, skin was burning and she was also vomiting. Apparently from

the niacin.

> Doc then told us to start the supplemnets one by one.

> mom to Max

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb do you have Graves? I don't and I'm wondering if my situation is too

different. I need to have a biopsy done to get a better idea of what's

causing my goiter to remain large, hopefully not cancer. The fact that I'm

mildly

hypert, at best, would indicate to me that Tapazole would not help the goiter

to shrink. The goiter isn't new, I've had it for years.

Can you give me an outline of what you take and when. Did you start with

copper and did it make a difference? Did you develop an anemia and needed iron

after that?

Sandy