Depression

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Sharon

[ ] Re: depression

Hi Peggy,Interestingly, we have had a link to the Lauerman article in our "links" section for well over a year. I think it is a very insightful piece that speaks to the depression that many of us face after this big surgery. I don't mean to sound like I am giving any medical advice...but I bet it is not a coincidence that you are plagued with these feelings shortly after you returned from your 3 month check up. As I have read your posts you have been very "up" and "positive" and had a good early post op period. But those of us on the "other side" know that there is a lot more ahead. In fact, it's one reason why we started this group....at the time I was 5 months post-op and and Ann and Bonnie (to name a few) were at least a year past surgery.I believe, based on no formal education or training...just reading along here and elsewhere for a number of years...that depression in some form is almost inevitable following surgery. Perhaps you interpreted that to mean that it would strike only in the weeks right after you returned home...but I think it is more common among our population to really be brought low when the full impact of the length or the recovery ahead becomes obvious...and that is somewhere after the 6-8 week mark.Lets face it, there is a lot to get "low" over...your body is changed forever, you are medicated (sometimes forever) and your family and friends may have lost their impetus or ability to be very helpful in the ways that you still need.Most of our closest family and friends have gone through all the months and years leading up to surgery, have held our hands and helped us through the surgery....and for them, by 3 months post-op...they are OVER IT. They have absolutely no point of reference for a recovery period that has a 12-18 month time frame. Yes, they may know or have experience with cancer or AIDS/HIV....but those are diseases that often run an unpredicible course. Our particular surgery is very predictible....bone should be fairly grown in at 6 months, evidence of solid fusion somewhere after a year...physical recovery gains continue to around 24 months.On top of that...it is even more confusing for our closest friends and family because often we ARE able to return to work, we can shuttle the kids to their various events, we are able to go to church, family gatherings, sit in restaurants...all the stuff that on the outside looks so functional and "healed". For the life of them they can not "get" that it is still too much effort or painful to get something off the floor, drive over a bumpy or pothole filled road, mop or vacuum a floor or get a weeks worth of groceries into the house.My own experience was that just as I was feeling good enough to start focusing on my recovery by devoting time to myself in the pool, walking and stretching, I was just back to work full time and I found that a lot of the other responsibilities of "life" we being shifted back to me and I was pissed and depressed. I do look back and wonder how much I had to do with that by setting up that expectation by doing more than I should have early on. (That is why I always tell folks to do less in the 2-3 month after surgery least they raise expectations unreasonably).Anyway, all I really wanted to say was that I don't think that it is impossible to develop post surgical depression at your stage of healing. Take it seriously and be sure to seek professional help if your feelings persist. And as always, we are here for you.Take Care, Cam

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Someone wrote in saying they were depressed.

Here's my response to them.

Warmly,

Dayu

-----Original Message-----

From: Dayawanti D'Sa [mailto:dayawanti@...]

Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:25 PM

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Floyd, Pure Trim is very helpful in situations such as this. It has 5 HTP

in it, and some say it has helped them go through depressive periods with

greater ease.

Of course, results vary, and one cannot make any claims, nor can one say it

cures anything, but it is very helpful and uplifting if taken regularly.

Some on our groups who have been depressed say taking it twice a day makes a

difference.

Although it is sold as a weightloss product, it has helped many people I

know ride those blues more easily.

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You can join the group Well-BeingAbounds-subscribe for

more info.

Warmly,

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Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:51 PM

In_Joy-owner

<<I am depressed most of the time, but am being treated for it>>

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Depression is a hard thing to understand and definitely scares some people. If you've never been so deep in the hole that you wanted to just die, it's a hard thing to understand and accept. I have suffered depression all my life, well, basically since my first Harrington rod surgery. Being in the cast I felt people made fun of me and just didn't understand - I thought for sure that I must be living someone's worst nightmare. Then in 10th grade when I got home from school one day my mom told me that if it hadn't been that I would have been the first to find her, she would have taken her life that day. What a thing to tell a teen! I went into a deep depression after that and have suffered on and off with it. I even majored in psychology and still struggle with it.

I currently take 20 mg of Lexapro daily but after revision surgery the depression hit again. I didn't suicidal but there were days I just did not want to get out of bed. I think the Lexapro actually kept me from going so deep in the hole that I couldn't get out. I also realized, thanks to people here, that this depression was normal after revision surgery. It is a major traumatic event to your body. So anyone here have revision surgery, you will most likely go through depression and sometimes it won't hit until 3-4 months after surgery. I thought I was doing fine and it wasn't going to get me but then it suddenly hit. So prepare yourself mentally for the possible depression and have people remind you that it is a normal reaction to the surgery. There is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Peggy

>> I had to become a member again and I don't know if it will post but I am going to try anyways......For those that have chosen to email privately with negative comments STOP I don't know what your thinking why in earth would you send somebody negative comments when they just expressed suicidal thoughts..................WOW you don't think I am thinking straight or what I did was wrong and I am not even stating the ones that were worse because people might run. You are not thinking straight.................> > So keep it to yourself ...........DON'T send me any more emails.> > On a happy note thank you for the ones that shared their private stories with me, It meant alot to me. And WOW thank you I read your message, I emailed you privately ....You are a TRUE friend. > > A true friend is one that never judges you, that you can come to them with anything.> > > > P.S. I did state meaning times I was depressed and I was falling down a dark hole ( I did not what was happening) I never felt that way before OF COURSE if knew where it was heading I would have seeked help sooner..............BUT I DIDN'T KNOW............I AM A VERY HAPPY PERSON.............I HAVE A WONDERFUL PERSONALITY, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT ONCE THEY MET ME THEY CAN'T LEAVE ME.............MY PERSONALITY IS UNIQUE............I HAVE KEPT FRIENDSHIPS WITH PEOPLE I MEET WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD......So keep your opinions to yourself...........> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside . See how.>

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HI Beth Sorry to hear of the problems with your husband I sometimes feel that my husband is going to do the same I am trying to cope with his attitude of all of my problems as well. Hang in there and you can talk to any of us any time that you need to. Beth Moorman <bethmrmn@...> wrote: Thank you all so much for your kind words and encouragement.It is all very much appreciated-it's nice to know you care. I think "toxic is" a very good word to describe things-hugs to

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Hi a,

I also experience some mild depression and very

occasional anxiety. I've also nearly completed a

Masters degree in psychology, and am due to be

registered soon.

I have learnt a lot from this group, through reading

and personal experience, and recognise the role

candida and nutrition play in anxiety, depression and

other problems. However, I think it's important to

properly treat the anxiety and depression.

How long have you been experiencing the anxiety and

depression? Is it only since starting this detox? It's

important to consider these things because if it's

something you've been dealing with for a while, you

would be best served seeing a psychologist to properly

treat the underlying problems. There are some

resources in this group for breathing exercises and

other things. Progressive muscle relaxation is also

helpful for anxiety. Search on google and you'll find

plenty of information. There are also a lot of

self-help books that may prove helpful.

Matt

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I have the problem when I am not taking enough vitamin D, calcium or

magnesium.

Irene

At 12:44 PM 5/26/2008, you wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>I was wondering how you are dealing with depression and anxiety. The many

>symptoms I am experiencing are causing me to feel very depressed and

>sometimes afraid whether I will ever get better. The anxiety at times is

>awful and I don't know how to deal with it which makes me worry about the

>stress it's causing and how that is affecting my already stressed adrenals.

>It's like a vicious cycle. I try to just go about my day and not think about

>all the symptoms I am having, but I am finding that very difficult. It's a

>chore and effort to keep busy and occupied.

>

>I would love to hear from others who are dealing with depression and/or

>anxiety as to how they deal with it. If you would rather not discuss it on

>the forum feel free to send me a private email.

>

>TIA,

>

>a

>

>

[Guest guest]

I sent you a PM, a.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your replies.

Matt - I have had depression back in 1997 when my father passed away at a

fairly young age and I was 31 myself. I chose antidepressants at the time

which was awful and I quit them cold turkey one day. The depression and

anxiety has been over the last 3 or 4 weeks because my health has gotten so

much worse rather than better. I have been on the program since November and

before then I wasn't eating grains, sugar, dairy, etc. either. I have been

eating a low to 0 carb diet since about 1996 and no or very few grains since

2003.

a

[Guest guest]

Re:depression

a & Matt - i have also suffered with mild depression. I have

a master's in forensic psychology (Criminal Psych) and am 2 years

away from my PhD in clinical psychology. Despite the push for

medications even within the field of psychology - i am a FIRM

believer in more natural remedies. I am a bit overweight and was

feeling depressed and tired. I had some blood tests done and it was

found that my vitamin D levels were extremely low (common among

those with extra weight because vitamin D is fat soluble). I started

taking a vitamin D supplement and felt amazing within a couple of

days - depression was pretty much GONE. About 2 weeks ago, i started

taking iodine and the celtic sea salt and feel even better! So much

depression in this country is caused, i believe, by our poor diets.

Peeps like Bee and health personnel that focus on health FIRST are

doing so much more than they know. If/ hen i work at a private

practice - i will pair up with a holistic doctor to treat clients

before referring them to a psychiatrist. I curse the doctors that

put me on antibiotics and steroids as a kid and young adult – I feel

these have destroyed my body.

I am taking a health psychology class next semester and will pass

all the information i learn on to you folks.

[Guest guest]

This is Off Topic, but as a criminal psych I hope you see the article that

came out today about how lead exposure in childhood increases the risk of

criminal behavior in teen years. So sad. We poison our kids and then lock

them up when they misbehave.

http://www.protectingourhealth.org/newscience/learning/2002/2002-1231needlemanet\

al.htm

Irene

At 09:40 AM 5/28/2008, you wrote:

>Re:depression

>

>a & Matt - i have also suffered with mild depression. I have

>a master's in forensic psychology (Criminal Psych) and am 2 years

>away from my PhD in clinical psychology. Despite the push for

>medications even within the field of psychology - i am a FIRM

>believer in more natural remedies. I am a bit overweight and was

>feeling depressed and tired. I had some blood tests done and it was

>found that my vitamin D levels were extremely low (common among

>those with extra weight because vitamin D is fat soluble). I started

>taking a vitamin D supplement and felt amazing within a couple of

>days - depression was pretty much GONE. About 2 weeks ago, i started

>taking iodine and the celtic sea salt and feel even better! So much

>depression in this country is caused, i believe, by our poor diets.

>Peeps like Bee and health personnel that focus on health FIRST are

>doing so much more than they know. If/ hen i work at a private

>practice - i will pair up with a holistic doctor to treat clients

>before referring them to a psychiatrist. I curse the doctors that

>put me on antibiotics and steroids as a kid and young adult – I feel

>these have destroyed my body.

>

>I am taking a health psychology class next semester and will pass

>all the information i learn on to you folks.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I agree that many problems are caused by poor

nutrition, but some people are going through tough

times right now and can't afford to wait for the

nutrition to kick in. Anxiety and depression can be

extremely debilitating for people, and may not

necessarily be caused by candida or poor nutrition.

Being masters qualified you would also be well aware

of the abundant research literature supporting

psychological interventions for many and most

psychological problems, but especially anxiety and

depression. I don't believe in drug therapy either,

and in Australia psychologists do not have prescribing

rights, which is a very good thing. So psychological

therapy is also very natural and is hugely beneficial

for the majority of people who use it.

I too plan to open a holistic centre some day and

incorporate nutrition into my practice! Isn't Bee wonderful!

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[Guest guest]

Matt-

For sure. I agree 100%. But, before beginning therapy - nutritional

supplementation can't hurt!

> Hi ,

>

> I agree that many problems are caused by poor

> nutrition, but some people are going through tough

> times right now and can't afford to wait for the

> nutrition to kick in. Anxiety and depression can be

> extremely debilitating for people, and may not

> necessarily be caused by candida or poor nutrition.

> Being masters qualified you would also be well aware

> of the abundant research literature supporting

> psychological interventions for many and most

> psychological problems, but especially anxiety and

> depression. I don't believe in drug therapy either,

> and in Australia psychologists do not have prescribing

> rights, which is a very good thing. So psychological

> therapy is also very natural and is hugely beneficial

> for the majority of people who use it.

>

> I too plan to open a holistic centre some day and

> incorporate nutrition into my practice! Isn't Bee wonderful!

[Guest guest]

It's probably one of the most critical factors, but try talking

someone into changing their entire lifestyle when they just want help

managing their anxiety and depression, or when they are suicidal and

struggling to get through each day, for example! Everything has its

place. The good thing about people on this site is they have started

their nutritional journey, but may still need help in other areas.

>

> Matt-

> For sure. I agree 100%. But, before beginning therapy -

nutritional

> supplementation can't hurt!

>

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I agree that many problems are caused by poor

> > nutrition, but some people are going through tough

> > times right now and can't afford to wait for the

> > nutrition to kick in. Anxiety and depression can be

> > extremely debilitating for people, and may not

> > necessarily be caused by candida or poor nutrition.

> > Being masters qualified you would also be well aware

> > of the abundant research literature supporting

> > psychological interventions for many and most

> > psychological problems, but especially anxiety and

> > depression. I don't believe in drug therapy either,

> > and in Australia psychologists do not have prescribing

> > rights, which is a very good thing. So psychological

> > therapy is also very natural and is hugely beneficial

> > for the majority of people who use it.

> >

> > I too plan to open a holistic centre some day and

> > incorporate nutrition into my practice! Isn't Bee wonderful!

>

[Guest guest]

It can be as simple as taking vitamin D.

Irene

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/depression.shtml

At 10:44 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:

>It's probably one of the most critical factors, but try talking

>someone into changing their entire lifestyle when they just want help

>managing their anxiety and depression, or when they are suicidal and

>struggling to get through each day, for example! Everything has its

>place. The good thing about people on this site is they have started

>their nutritional journey, but may still need help in other areas.

>

>

> >

> > Matt-

> > For sure. I agree 100%. But, before beginning therapy -

>nutritional

> > supplementation can't hurt!

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > I agree that many problems are caused by poor

> > > nutrition, but some people are going through tough

> > > times right now and can't afford to wait for the

> > > nutrition to kick in. Anxiety and depression can be

> > > extremely debilitating for people, and may not

> > > necessarily be caused by candida or poor nutrition.

> > > Being masters qualified you would also be well aware

> > > of the abundant research literature supporting

> > > psychological interventions for many and most

> > > psychological problems, but especially anxiety and

> > > depression. I don't believe in drug therapy either,

> > > and in Australia psychologists do not have prescribing

> > > rights, which is a very good thing. So psychological

> > > therapy is also very natural and is hugely beneficial

> > > for the majority of people who use it.

> > >

> > > I too plan to open a holistic centre some day and

> > > incorporate nutrition into my practice! Isn't Bee wonderful!

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The important point being at CAN be. It is not the case for everyone.

In fact, chances are for most people it is not due to a simple

vitamin deficiency, but it's definitely worth considering and trying

some vitamin supplements. Vitamin D hasn't markedly improved my mood.

Fact is, Vitamin D is a core part of this program yet people still

suffer with anxiety and depression and a myriad other psychological

problems.

> > >

> > > Matt-

> > > For sure. I agree 100%. But, before beginning therapy -

> >nutritional

> > > supplementation can't hurt!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > I agree that many problems are caused by poor

> > > > nutrition, but some people are going through tough

> > > > times right now and can't afford to wait for the

> > > > nutrition to kick in. Anxiety and depression can be

> > > > extremely debilitating for people, and may not

> > > > necessarily be caused by candida or poor nutrition.

> > > > Being masters qualified you would also be well aware

> > > > of the abundant research literature supporting

> > > > psychological interventions for many and most

> > > > psychological problems, but especially anxiety and

> > > > depression. I don't believe in drug therapy either,

> > > > and in Australia psychologists do not have prescribing

> > > > rights, which is a very good thing. So psychological

> > > > therapy is also very natural and is hugely beneficial

> > > > for the majority of people who use it.

> > > >

> > > > I too plan to open a holistic centre some day and

> > > > incorporate nutrition into my practice! Isn't Bee wonderful!

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>The important point being at CAN be. It is not the case for everyone. In

fact, chances are for most people it is not due to a simple

>vitamin deficiency, but it's definitely worth considering and trying some

vitamin supplements. Vitamin D hasn't markedly improved my mood.

>Fact is, Vitamin D is a core part of this program yet people still suffer

with anxiety and depression and a myriad other psychological

>problems.

My Vitamin D levels were checked and they are fine. Other levels were

checked and I was found to be low in selenium and chromium. Not sure how

they impact depression but all I can say is that at times the depression and

anxiety get unbearable.

a

[Guest guest]

Which vitamin D levels did they check? It is important to check the 25(OH)

level. That is the one that shows whether you are deficient or not. The one

many doctors check is the 1,25 (OH) level that almost always shows normal.

Also depending on the lab, their normal ranges are often too low. You want

to shoot for around 50 ng/ml.

BTW I wasn't implying that vitamin D is the ONLY thing involved in depression.

Irene

At 06:09 AM 5/30/2008, you wrote:

> >The important point being at CAN be. It is not the case for everyone. In

>fact, chances are for most people it is not due to a simple

> >vitamin deficiency, but it's definitely worth considering and trying some

>vitamin supplements. Vitamin D hasn't markedly improved my mood.

> >Fact is, Vitamin D is a core part of this program yet people still suffer

>with anxiety and depression and a myriad other psychological

> >problems.

>

>My Vitamin D levels were checked and they are fine. Other levels were

>checked and I was found to be low in selenium and chromium. Not sure how

>they impact depression but all I can say is that at times the depression and

>anxiety get unbearable.

>

>a

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Which vitamin D levels did they check? It is important to check the 25(OH)

level. That is the one that shows whether you are deficient or not. The one

>many doctors check is the 1,25 (OH) level that almost always shows normal.

Also depending on the lab, their normal ranges are often too low. You want

>to shoot for around 50 ng/ml. BTW I wasn't implying that vitamin D is the

ONLY thing involved in depression.

>Irene

Hi Irene,

I understand and I didn't think you were implying that. :-) Just wanted to

post my findings. They did check the ones you mentioned and mine was 39.4

and the range given is 30.2 to 100 so I guess I am on the low end. Since

then I have been spending more time in the sun though.

Some of my depression/anxiety I believe is due to whacky hormones and the

other is concern over my health. I wish I would see some improvements but I

feel worse than I did when I started back in November. It just scares me is

all and I am tired of being sick.

a

[Guest guest]

There is a huge connection between chromium and depression. There is a book

called " Lifting Depression - The Chromium Connection " by Malcolm Noell

McLead, MD.

No way to know if this is your problem but it is a possibility.

Irene

At 06:09 AM 5/30/2008, you wrote:

> >The important point being at CAN be. It is not the case for everyone. In

>fact, chances are for most people it is not due to a simple

> >vitamin deficiency, but it's definitely worth considering and trying some

>vitamin supplements. Vitamin D hasn't markedly improved my mood.

> >Fact is, Vitamin D is a core part of this program yet people still suffer

>with anxiety and depression and a myriad other psychological

> >problems.

>

>My Vitamin D levels were checked and they are fine. Other levels were

>checked and I was found to be low in selenium and chromium. Not sure how

>they impact depression but all I can say is that at times the depression and

>anxiety get unbearable.

>

>a

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes. but if you dont want meds then see a therapist rather than a psychiatrist

as they are not medical doctors and cant prescribe meds. Personally all my

emtional issues went away when I got on some really good probiotics for a few

months.MJ

@...: EDIEPIE@...: Wed, 18 Jun

2008 17:11:22 -0700Subject: [ ] Depression

Hi,I'm seeking theraphy for depression but I'mafraid that medication will be

prescribed and IDON'T want to take any medication, has anyonehad this

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[Guest guest]

Many times depression can be from a vitamin D deficiency, or even a thyroid

condition. If you are seeing a doctor have your D3 levels checked. Plus have

your thyroid checked. It is so sad that doctors don't check some of these things

and prescribe the drugs.  Get exercize and sunshine--that can help. Think

positive and you will get through this without medication. Bee's diet will help

to regulate everything, but it takes time so be patient. Sometimes its worse

before better, but it is the way to eat for every problem. Val

From: Edie Carabez <EDIEPIE@...>

Subject: [ ] Depression

Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:11 PM

Hi,

I'm seeking theraphy for depression but I'm

afraid that medication will be prescribed and I

DON'T want to take any medication, has anyone

had this dilema?

Thanks,

edie

____________ _________ _

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[Guest guest]

Val, thank you for your input.

______________________

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@...: valiegal50@...: Wed, 18 Jun

2008 17:35:16 -0700Subject: Re: [ ] Depression

Many times depression can be from a vitamin D deficiency, or even a thyroid

condition. If you are seeing a doctor have your D3 levels checked. Plus have

your thyroid checked. It is so sad that doctors don't check some of these things

and prescribe the drugs. Get exercize and sunshine--that can help. Think

positive and you will get through this without medication. Bee's diet will help

to regulate everything, but it takes time so be patient. Sometimes its worse

before better, but it is the way to eat for every problem. ValFrom: Edie Carabez

<EDIEPIE@...>Subject: [ ] DepressionTo:

@...: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:11 PMHi,I'm

seeking theraphy for depression but I'mafraid that medication will be prescribed

and IDON'T want to take any medication, has anyonehad this

dilema?Thanks,edie____________ _________ _EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD[Non-text

portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message

have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I see a therapist who diagnosed me with PTSD. He uses EMDR and

kinesiology as well as positive affirmations. I definitely know that

I have it but I first started seeing him for CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue

Immune Disorder Syndrome). How do I know? Well this week I was

feeling pretty good and then I got around some people that were

talking about the most depressing things, ie: a son dying recently

unexpectedly, my friend telling me about her daughter who had all of

her children taken away with CPS who is addicted drugs and alcohol

and homeless. Well anyway I'm glad I'm seeing my therapist on

Friday!!! Let me tell you!!!

As for prescription drugs, I was taking something periodically to

help me with pain, anxiety, and depression, a very common drug

actually and I was delighted that my PCP advised against it. Of

which was really great because I'm very prepared as I've been

experementing with fresh dry herbs lately and making teas. As

someone who has CFIDS or M.E. (as it's called in Canada and the UK),

it's very important that I have herbs that help support my nervous

system as the nervous system is very comprimised. I have an old herb

book that I use and it's been quite helpful.

~Kulia

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm seeking theraphy for depression but I'm

> afraid that medication will be prescribed and I

> DON'T want to take any medication, has anyone

> had this dilema?

>

> Thanks,

> edie

>

> ______________________

>

>

>

> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This is a good point about how other people's conversations can affect

us. I gave up TV (especially the news!) a long time ago because it

was so depressing! I've been criticized a lot for " burying my head in

the sand " and not staying aware of what's going on the world... but I

enjoy my life more without it. Let other folks who worry about all

the tragedy on the evening news - there are plenty of people who will

keep up with the latest happenings, that I don't feel irresponsible.

I also realized, from reading this post, that I'm not talking on the

phone to negative family members as much as I used to. I definitely

notice that conversations with my mom, who complains about everyone

and everything that's wrong with her life, leave me feeling down.

With that said, I swear by Cod Liver Oil. I know the whole program

works together, but I believe the CLO helped me so much that I am

afraid to go a day without it! I believe there's definitely something

to the vitamin D connection.

Several years ago, before I found Bee's program, I took

antidepressants for a short time. I didn't want to, and I resisted

for a long time, until finally my doctor convinced me to at least try.

Please remember that it is your choice - they can't make you take

medications! I was so worn out from school and single parenting that

I finally caved (after probably a year of refusing medication). My

personal experience is that it made it worse! Some antidepressants

can actually make depression worse in some people! I stopped taking

the medication when I realized it was making things worse. I tried

some natural remedies like St. 's wort and 5-HTP for a while

without much success. For a while, I managed to exercise a lot and

noticed it helped, but only when it was very consistent. It was hard

to keep the exercise at a level that helped depression noticeably,

because of my other commitments. I got something called a " Happy

Lite " for full-spectrum light during the dreary winter - I believe it

helps some, but not completely.

It really wasn't until I started on the cod liver oil every day that I

noticed dramatic relief from depression. Probably all the good fats

and nutrients help too, but I feel very strongly that the CLO is the

biggest factor.

I regret ever taking antidepressants. Doctors hand out

antidepressants so easily it's scary. They even offered me free

samples! They act like it's no big deal at all. Going to a

therapist, or even just a close friend, may be better than seeing a

doctor for it.

Incidentally, my ex-husband and I are in a court battle right now over

custody of our 6-year-old son... and my ex is bringing up the

antidepressants (from years ago!) as 'evidence' against me. So far it

hasn't amounted to much. Lots of people take antidepressants, so I

don't think the judge cares very much, but it really stinks having to

account for that decision years ago. Just something to take into

consideration.

Hope this helps.

in Tennessee

>

> How do I know? Well this week I was

> feeling pretty good and then I got around some people that were

> talking about the most depressing things, ie: a son dying recently

> unexpectedly, my friend telling me about her daughter who had all of

> her children taken away with CPS who is addicted drugs and alcohol

> and homeless. Well anyway I'm glad I'm seeing my therapist on

> Friday!!! Let me tell you!!!

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm seeking theraphy for depression but I'm

> afraid that medication will be prescribed and I

> DON'T want to take any medication, has anyone

> had this dilema?

==>Hi Edie. Here's my article " Anxiety & Depression, Help For " ;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat6.php

Luv, Bee