ALA

[Guest guest]

> One significant thing about ALA is that it is both water soluble and

> fat soluble, so it will get at everything (including the brain and

> nervous system).

Oh, another unique thing about ALA -- even though this can reduce the

amount of mercury in your body, supposedly ALA reduces the ability of

your body to excrete copper, so if one has copper toxicity this might be

the last thing you want to take! Or at the very least, you should add

something which will reduce the amount of copper in your body, like

molybdenum or zinc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I have a question for Marc about ALA.  Are you using it along with NDF? 

> My wife wants to try ALA, but is now taking NDF+. 

No, since I get side effects from every chelator, I will only take one

at a time. However, " one at a time " may mean that I take ALA on one

day, and then NDF on the next day.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> > I have a question for Marc about ALA.  Are you using it along with

> > NDF? My wife wants to try ALA, but is now taking NDF+.

>

> No, since I get side effects from every chelator, I will only take one

> at a time. However, " one at a time " may mean that I take ALA on one

> day, and then NDF on the next day.

Oh, and I should stress (again) that if your wife is thinking about

trying ALA, she should be very careful about the dosage. If one does

this according to the " Andy Cutler protocol " , then one takes this every

3 hours (8 times per day) over a period of 3 days or more, then takes a

break of 4 days per more. Plus, the individual dosages are smaller than

any ALA sold in stores -- like only 10 mg per dose to start with,

adjusting from there to tolerance. I've been experimenting with doses

to find out where my tolerance is, and I got some headaches and other

problems at 1.5mg x 8 = 12 mg per day. Right now I'm trying 0.5 x 8 = 4

mg per day, which seems tolerable so far. I'm getting small-sized ALA

capsules from an online compounding pharmacy in South Africa (a long way

to ship!):

http://livingnetwork.co.za/zencart/index.php?main_page=index & cPath=65_67

But I see that some people use capsule-making machines, or weigh out

doses with sensitive scales, etc. Certainly it would be cheaper to do

it this way, and I'll probably end up doing this way myself once

I figure out a good dosage (assuming I stick with it).

And to remember to take the capsules, I've got a small, battery-powered

timer in my pocket that vibrates every 3 hours:

http://www.invisibleclock.com/

No ES symptoms from this, fortunately. Although I've got to figure

where to place it so it wakes up me but not my wife at 1 AM and 4 AM.

This protocol certainly wins the prize for being the most difficult

way to detox mercury... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Maybe that explains the extreme reation I get to eating chocolate when I'm doing

a round of ALA. These days I'm on ALA constantly as I've got enough of the

mercury out of my body that I don't get the bad reaction to it anymore and know

how to deal with those reactions when they do appear. Plus I feel better when

doing the ALA than when I stop. But I can not eat chocolate which is high in

copper. I grabbed some chocolate ice cream by mistake last Friday and instead

of throwing it away I went ahead and ate it. I have such a reaction to it. I

ate chocolate all my life and never had a reaction to it. I thought it was a

synergistic effect between the mercury and the copper as the toxicity symptoms

are identical. It makes me extrememly creative but it make me crazy at the same

time.

[Guest guest]

> Maybe that explains the extreme reation I get to eating chocolate when

> I'm doing a round of ALA.

Copper can be chelated with molybdenum supplements. You might want

to experiment with taking ALA and molybdenum together, to get rid

of both mercury and copper.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I've tried the molybedneum supplements but they make me insane with copper

flowing through my veins on the way out of the body. I think what made it so

bad was that for a couple of years I smoked cigarettes and the cadmium in the

cigarrettes drives the copper deep into the tissues. They say that some people

can have mercury fillings and no problems at all. Other people can smoke

cigarettes with no problem at all. The problem comes in when someone who has

mercury fillings smokes cigarettes also. That was me for a couple of years.

I'm trying to abstain from chocolate and at the same time I'm taking selenium to

chelate the cadmium. I'm trying a new type of selenium that is coming in the

mail shortly. You want what is called the protein form of selenium. I got mine

from grownbynature.com. Sodium Selenite causes cancer. L-seleno methionne

they say doesn't work. What I'm also doing is using molybednium and zinc

frequencies. Not with a frequency generator. But I got golf clubs with

molybednium heads on them and mixed this with zinc metal and also chromium and

quartz in cement. I drove metal rods deep into the ground to craw ground

current up to the metals and the quartz. I have this stuff underneath a

foundation that I build out of granite slabs. Granite and marble work very well

with E.S. people. I find that granite works much better for me. I found

someone who is willing to give it to me for free as they ghrow away pieces of it

everyday. I sleep really really good at night now as a result. It is really

unbelievable. Mostly I've only built this foundation near the bedroom near the

bed and also some more near the living room.

[Guest guest]

> I've tried the molybedneum supplements but they make me insane with

> copper flowing through my veins on the way out of the body.

Ahhh, I've tried molybdenum as well, but have to keep to a pretty small

dose to avoid unpleasant detox symptoms. Small = 100 to 200mcg. Or

1/4 to 1/2 of a " MOLY B " (Carlson) tablet.

By the way, you said that you were taking ALA " all the time " . Are you

taking it every 3 hours, including overnight?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Yea, I took it for a year and a half during my last job when I was driving

regionally as a truck driver. The side effects didn't matter because I didn't

have to be around other people on my job. I used a qualcom to communicate by

satellite with my employer who was in another city. But then I quit that job

and got another one where I drive locally and had to engage the public. I had

to give up the ALA for a couple of years because I really needed to keep that

job and nobody is going to " understand " on the job. So I just did clay baths

and oil of cilantro for a couple of years. Then in February I started up the

ALA again on the weekends. I would do it starting on Friday and then end on

Monday morning before going to work. But after a few months I seemed to have

reached a point where the side effects were manageable enough that I went back

to doing it constantly. But I do skip a dose in the middle of the night. I

think I disagree with Andy Cutler on that. He says you should stop your round

if you miss a dose. Sometimes when I'm getting too much I can skip a dose and

go back to feeling normal. I never did the small doses. I always did 100 or

200 mg. Now I do 400 mg. And I do R-ALA at night and regular ALA for the 8

hours at work. It's getting close to a combined total of 2 years now that I've

done this. Another thing I do is rub the essential oil cilantro into my right

leg at night. I fub it in clear from my foot to up near my prostate area. This

helps quite a bit with the side effects. But you have to scrub with soap and

water every morning before you go to work to try to get the smell out. It's

pretty strong as it is an essential oil.

[Guest guest]

> Oh I never thought about them increasing signal strength. Wow. Won't that

> ALA make you ill? 

One just has to be careful about dosage when taking ALA. At least I

was taking it every 3 hours, so fans of the Andy Cutler protocol

would approve. :-)

Actually, I was trying a different brand and dosage, and it seemed

more tolerable / beneficial than what I had been using

before. This time I was taking Kirkman ALA 25mg capsules with

half the contents dumped out (so that makes them about 12mg)

every 3 hours. I only did this for a day, but next weekend

I'll try for a bit longer, since I had zero adverse reaction

last weekend.

Marc

[Guest guest]

It seems to me unless you are trying a short-term detox,

R-ALA is the way to go. And I would take it with minerals

like zinc.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Oh I never thought about them increasing signal strength. Wow. Won't that

> > ALA make you ill?

>

> One just has to be careful about dosage when taking ALA. At least I

> was taking it every 3 hours, so fans of the Andy Cutler protocol

> would approve. :-)

>

> Actually, I was trying a different brand and dosage, and it seemed

> more tolerable / beneficial than what I had been using

> before. This time I was taking Kirkman ALA 25mg capsules with

> half the contents dumped out (so that makes them about 12mg)

> every 3 hours. I only did this for a day, but next weekend

> I'll try for a bit longer, since I had zero adverse reaction

> last weekend.

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

> It seems to me unless you are trying a short-term detox,

> R-ALA is the way to go. And I would take it with minerals

> like zinc.

The folks on the chelation groups I'm on are against R-ALA

for some reason, and they seem to like plain ALA.

But yes, I'm taking plenty of minerals...

Marc

[Guest guest]

I think there are reasons to take it that have nothing

to do with chelation or its antioxidant properties (which

are good too). I should not it seems to be called RLA

except that the body-builders call it R-ALA.

Bill

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > It seems to me unless you are trying a short-term detox,

> > R-ALA is the way to go. And I would take it with minerals

> > like zinc.

>

> The folks on the chelation groups I'm on are against R-ALA

> for some reason, and they seem to like plain ALA.

>

> But yes, I'm taking plenty of minerals...

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I was wondering about that Marc. You would have to be able to tolerate

> the ALA & I can't at this point. shucks! Loni

I have to wonder if all ALA is equally tolerable... I tried one

brand earlier this year, and got side effects even at 1 mg per dose.

Then I tried another brand, and got no side effects at 10 mg

(although I do at 25 mg).

Yesterday I took over 100 mg of ALA (spread throughout the day),

which is pretty good for me!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Good point Marc. I tried L-Carnitine from three different

brands, till I found one I could tolerate!!

As for ALA, could it be caused by some type of methylation issue?

Kooky

>

> > I was wondering about that Marc. You would have to be able to tolerate

> > the ALA & I can't at this point. shucks! Loni

>

> I have to wonder if all ALA is equally tolerable... I tried one

> brand earlier this year, and got side effects even at 1 mg per dose.

> Then I tried another brand, and got no side effects at 10 mg

> (although I do at 25 mg).

>

> Yesterday I took over 100 mg of ALA (spread throughout the day),

> which is pretty good for me!

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting. Hmmmm

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: ALA

Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:48 PM

 

> I was wondering about that Marc. You would have to be able to tolerate

> the ALA & I can't at this point. shucks! Loni

I have to wonder if all ALA is equally tolerable... I tried one

brand earlier this year, and got side effects even at 1 mg per dose.

Then I tried another brand, and got no side effects at 10 mg

(although I do at 25 mg).

Yesterday I took over 100 mg of ALA (spread throughout the day),

which is pretty good for me!

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I have to wonder if all ALA is equally tolerable... I tried one

> brand earlier this year, and got side effects even at 1 mg per dose.

> Then I tried another brand, and got no side effects at 10 mg

> (although I do at 25 mg).

>

> Yesterday I took over 100 mg of ALA (spread throughout the day),

> which is pretty good for me!

>

> Marc

>

Hi Marc,

Interesting to hear about your ALA-experience. Could it be that the brand you

got side effects from at 1 mg is better absorbed than the one you have to take

25 mg to get the side effects from?

For me, ALA is ALA. The same amount of the ALA molecule should have the same

effect independent of the name of the brand.

What brands did you take? Was perhaps one taken as a tablet and the other in a

capsule?

Or have you perhaps done something different between trying the two

ALA-products, like taking new supplements, e.g. adrenal support?

Thanks,

.

[Guest guest]

> Interesting to hear about your ALA-experience. Could it be that the brand

> you got side effects from at 1 mg is better absorbed than the one you

> have to take 25 mg to get the side effects from?

Yes, I could think of a lot of potential reasons...

1) one brand is more effective than the other

2) one brand has fillers that are causing side effects or affecting

absorption

3) my tolerance for ALA has improved (I have indeed

been taking adrenal support supplements)

The first brand (low tolerance) was from a compounding pharmacy in

South Africa, where they make especially low doses for people who

are intolerant and/or using a frequent dosing schedule:

http://livingnetwork.co.za/zencart/index.php?main_page=index & cPath=65_67

The second brand (higher tolerance) is from Kirkman Labs, which

has the smallest dosage I could find commercially (25 mg per capsule),

and has a " hypoallergenic " version for sensitive people. They

claim to have the highest quality ALA available, imported from

Germany:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProductDetails@Product_ID36 (DOT) aspx

Both were in capsules.

Marc

[Guest guest]

so are you saying you did find with both of these ALA's Marc? Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: ALA

Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:32 AM

 

> Interesting to hear about your ALA-experience. Could it be that the brand

> you got side effects from at 1 mg is better absorbed than the one you

> have to take 25 mg to get the side effects from?

Yes, I could think of a lot of potential reasons...

1) one brand is more effective than the other

2) one brand has fillers that are causing side effects or affecting

absorption

3) my tolerance for ALA has improved (I have indeed

been taking adrenal support supplements)

The first brand (low tolerance) was from a compounding pharmacy in

South Africa, where they make especially low doses for people who

are intolerant and/or using a frequent dosing schedule:

http://livingnetwor k.co.za/zencart/ index.php? main_page= index & cPath= 65_67

The second brand (higher tolerance) is from Kirkman Labs, which

has the smallest dosage I could find commercially (25 mg per capsule),

and has a " hypoallergenic " version for sensitive people. They

claim to have the highest quality ALA available, imported from

Germany:

http://www.kirkmanl abs.com/ViewProd uctDetails@ Product_ID@ 36.aspx

Both were in capsules.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> so are you saying you did find with both of these ALA's Marc? Loni

I'm not sure what you are asking Loni, but for now I am continuing

with the Kirkman ALA, which is cheaper and more tolerable.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Sorry spelling error (did fine) in other words;  tolerated both brands of ALA?

I was interested in the Kirkman so I will look for it. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: ALA

Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:03 AM

 

> so are you saying you did find with both of these ALA's Marc? Loni

I'm not sure what you are asking Loni, but for now I am continuing

with the Kirkman ALA, which is cheaper and more tolerable.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Sorry spelling error (did fine) in other words;  tolerated both brands of

> ALA? I was interested in the Kirkman so I will look for it. Loni

Well it's all a matter of dosage, and some would claim frequency of dose.

Fans of " frequent dose chelation " will tell you that you have to take

ALA every 3 hours, day and night, for a few days and then take a break

of a week or more.

Taking it this way, I get side effects (anxiety, mostly) from taking 25mg

of the Kirkman ALA every 3 hours, but no side effects at half that amount

(half of the contents of the capsule dumped out). And then after you've

finished with that " round " , you'll probably get the worst side effects

as the level of ALA in your bloodstream drops and any mobilized

metals don't get taken out of your body. So my worst side effects are

usually 6 - 24 hours after I've stopped taking the ALA every 3 hours.

Marc

[Guest guest]

 Even when you are sleeping? Wake up to take the ALA?  I don't know that I

would go that far. What do you dump the half capsule in? Water?  Do you still

do it that way?

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: ALA

Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:51 AM

 

> Sorry spelling error (did fine) in other words;  tolerated both brands of

> ALA? I was interested in the Kirkman so I will look for it. Loni

Well it's all a matter of dosage, and some would claim frequency of dose.

Fans of " frequent dose chelation " will tell you that you have to take

ALA every 3 hours, day and night, for a few days and then take a break

of a week or more.

Taking it this way, I get side effects (anxiety, mostly) from taking 25mg

of the Kirkman ALA every 3 hours, but no side effects at half that amount

(half of the contents of the capsule dumped out). And then after you've

finished with that " round " , you'll probably get the worst side effects

as the level of ALA in your bloodstream drops and any mobilized

metals don't get taken out of your body. So my worst side effects are

usually 6 - 24 hours after I've stopped taking the ALA every 3 hours.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Even when you are sleeping? Wake up to take the ALA?  I don't know that

> I would go that far. What do you dump the half capsule in? Water? 

> Do you still do it that way?

Yes, even while sleeping... although they say that taking it every 4 hours

during this time is okay, so I take it at 11pm, 3am, 7am. I have a little

timer/alarm with me that can be set to beep or vibrate, and I have that

nearby all day and night when I'm doing this, along with a small container

of 7 capsules for the day that have had half their contents dumped out in

advance.

I avoided doing this for years because it seemed like too much of a hassle,

but once you do it a few times you get used to it. Although for me,

the portable alarm is essential!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

and thanks for the reply!

You wrote:

> Yes, I could think of a lot of potential reasons...

> 1) one brand is more effective than the other

This is just my point. If you take ALA, you should be getting

ALA. How can ALA be more effective than ALA???

> 2) one brand has fillers that are causing side effects or affecting

> absorption

Yes, possibly, but not likely.

> 3) my tolerance for ALA has improved (I have indeed

> been taking adrenal support supplements)

>

This is the more likely reason, in my oppinion.

Can you tell me what new adrenal support supplements you've

been taking between taking the two different ALA-brands?

(Is it the russian root formula?)

I think personally that people with have generally

a dysfunctional adrenal-function, and that this is the reason

why tolerance to heavy metal detoxification is so low.

Thanks again,

.

[Guest guest]

> This is just my point. If you take ALA, you should be getting

> ALA. How can ALA be more effective than ALA???

Well, technically, " ALA " is a component of food, and the pills

we take a chemical impersonations of this food. So different

manufacturing processes can create a different " ALA " . We've

already seen some manufacturers selling R-ALA, and claiming

it is more natural than regular ALA, and also more potent.

So not ALA is the same.

> This is the more likely reason, in my oppinion.

> Can you tell me what new adrenal support supplements you've

> been taking between taking the two different ALA-brands?

> (Is it the russian root formula?)

I've been taking lots of things -- Dr. 's Adrenal

Rebuilder, IsoCort, Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG, and a bit

of Adrenal Cortex from Nutricology. Also Eleuthero (Siberian

Ginseng) from Medi-Herb.

Marc