5-HTP

[Guest guest]

Okay, here's my idea: when you take 5-HTP, your body uses it to make

seretonin or to make niacin for energy production, whichever is needed most.

If you're becoming active from taking the 5-HTP, it's likely you have a

niacin deficiency, and so your body is using it to make niacin, rather than

using it to make seretonin. I suggest you take some niacin in the morning,

and the 5-HTP at bedtime and see if that doesn't help. It may also be that

the dose you are taking is too high or too low. You could try changing the

dosage and see if it makes a difference. This is only my opinion, and if it

were me, I wouldn't want to give up getting sleep to experiment with it,

since I'm so desperate for sleep all the time. But maybe the niacin in the

morning would help.

lindaj@...

5-HTP

> I know a couple of people on the list were taking this, to help with

> there mood and sleep. My Dr told me to take it at bed time, so when I

> did, it kept me up, and when i did sleep it wasn't very restful. Isn't

> this supposed to boost seretonin? Why would it be affecting me this way?

> I have taken it in the morning, and it actually helps with my fibro pain,

> but I still feel the effects of it at bedtime. any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

on 9/30/00 7:53 PM, lindaj@... at lindaj@... wrote:

> Okay, here's my idea: when you take 5-HTP, your body uses it to make

> seretonin or to make niacin for energy production, whichever is needed most.

> If you're becoming active from taking the 5-HTP, it's likely you have a

> niacin deficiency, and so your body is using it to make niacin, rather than

> using it to make seretonin.

,

5-HTP cannot serve as a precursor for niacin. It is only tryptophan itself

that can be shunted into production of niacin, as well as serotonin. At

least, this is my understanding from what I've read on comparisons of 5-HTP

to tryptophan.

Hud

[Guest guest]

Has your NAET person tested you allergic to serotonin/tryptophan?

- N.

jseaton357@... wrote:

> I didn't try 5-HTP directly but did try 5-6 different seretonic agents and all

of them made me worse except for Zoloft which didn't do anything at all really.

My intuition is that 5-HTP the one night I did try it just made me sleepy.

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is 5-HTP?

From: " vanderkc " <vanderkc@...>

Reply-candidiasis

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:03:40 -0000

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Progress

Fiona,

Thanks for the post. I can attest to the effectiveness of the l-

glutamine with cravings (I take the powder, 1 tsp dissolved under the

tongue is very effective for stopping both sugar and alcohol

cravings) and the 5-htp. The 5-htp helps enormously with depression.

A couple of safe colon cleanse/body cleanses you may want to try that

I use are Homozon, which is oxygen/magnesium and Dr. Schulze

Intestinal Formula #1 and 2.

Congrats on the progress.

> Dear

>

> My husband is not an alcoholic, but he does enjoy whiskey and beer,

in moderation, on the weekends. He LOVES chocholate cake and sweets

and I'm pretty darn sure he has a low grade candida infection, as the

back of his tongue is sometimes yellow and he craves sweets.He

flipped when I suggested he go and have it checked, and was even more

annoyed when I suggested that he could be re-infecting me. However,

after I explained to him that it was my health that was at stake, and

that he might, in time, get as sick as I've been if he doesn't attend

to it, he was much more amenable to it.We did compromise in that he

would go in January, after the holidays. I went off the pill to help

with the candida, so we have to use condoms anyway, and neither of us

really mind. You do get used to it quite quickly, just have to adjust

your mind more than anything .

>

> To keep you all updated: I'm the girl from South Africa who is

being treated by a homeopath/microbiologist who actually showed me

the millions of candida nasties in my blood under the microscope

linked to a TV screen. He even showed me the undigested food

particles leaking from the gut ! I've been going for jabs twice a

week: one is candida, to wake up my body's immune response to kill

the little blighters on sight, the other a serum made from my own

blood to fix the myriad of food allergies caused by the leaky gut. I

also take homeopathic drops to kill the fungus, and take Biofermentin

to sort out the intestinal candida as well as repopulate the gut with

good bacteria. Added to that, I take vitamen supplements and L-

Glutamine amino acids to combat cravings ( it really works !) I also

use 5 Htp for the late afternoon, evening cravings. Quite frankly,

you could put the yummiest sugar-laden dessert before me, I couldn't

care less now. This from a previously addicted person ! I'm also

taking DHEA to fix the havoc the pill has wreaked on my hormones,

along with an oestrogen creme (natural). It's only the end of week

three now, and I've had some very very bad days where stuff dies off.

However, I've starting feeling much better already. I had an awesome

day on Monday where I felt so good I was literally bouncing off the

walls with energy. My mood is lighter, I sleep better, and my

baseline energy level has gone up. I can feel I have ups and downs,

but my energy remains at an acceptable level most days. I now want to

clean out my colon, as constipation is the only problem that has not

improved. I've had the problem since childhood, so it may have

another cause, which I must have checked out.Hope this helps someone

out there, hang in there guys, between us lot on line, we'll work out

what works and what is just a lot of BS marketing.

>

> Fiona

> Lynne

>

>

> Thanks for your help too Lynne!

> Is this something that I will have to worry about for the rest of

my

> life?!?!!? I can't see having to use a condom for the rest of my

life....

> ( If we BOTH get control of the candida, will we still have to

be on such

> a strict diet?

>

> Yes, I think that if I can prove to my husband, by a blood test,

he will be

> more supportive.

>

> I really don't think I have Fibromyalgia, I think its the Candida

that are

> causing all these symptoms.

>

> I'm currently on my 12th day of this Candida detox diet and today

will

> complete 3 days of fasting that I have been doing.

>

> My depression has been better since I've been on this diet and

also my

> Hypoglycemia has been missing in action.... ) But I have been

so tired

> and fatigued, (even more than usual) since starting this diet

that I can

> hardly function. Is this normal?

>

> I plan on changing my whole family's diet now and will not go

back to the

> old way of eating, but occasionally I would LOVE to go out to eat

or maybe

> have some chocolate and I sorely miss my morning coffee. I can

change to

> decaf, though... if that's allowed, I don't know???

>

> I have so many questions and I feel so overwhelmed with this

all. ( I'm

> more than a little upset about this sex thing though.... (

>

> Thanks,

> Missy, () in CA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

5-htp is a form of tryptophan, 10x as strong so you only need 100 mg

when they would suggest 1000mg of tryptophan.

I get it from a health food or body building shop and always get the

capsules because they are purer than tablets...also, easier to take

directly in your mouth and get into your system sublingually. I

vary between 1 and 4 tablets daily. When I first began taking them,

I felt the difference within a day. Took them at night, to help

with sleeping initially, and they did. A few days later, I realized

I was calmer and not nearly as grouchy. I don't always take all of

the other amino acids, but the three that I have used, that help me

the most are the 5-htp, tyrosine (neurotransmitters), and l-

glutamine.

> > Dear

> >

> > My husband is not an alcoholic, but he does enjoy whiskey and

beer,

> in moderation, on the weekends. He LOVES chocholate cake and sweets

> and I'm pretty darn sure he has a low grade candida infection, as

the

> back of his tongue is sometimes yellow and he craves sweets.He

> flipped when I suggested he go and have it checked, and was even

more

> annoyed when I suggested that he could be re-infecting me. However,

> after I explained to him that it was my health that was at stake,

and

> that he might, in time, get as sick as I've been if he doesn't

attend

> to it, he was much more amenable to it.We did compromise in that he

> would go in January, after the holidays. I went off the pill to

help

> with the candida, so we have to use condoms anyway, and neither of

us

> really mind. You do get used to it quite quickly, just have to

adjust

> your mind more than anything .

> >

> > To keep you all updated: I'm the girl from South Africa who is

> being treated by a homeopath/microbiologist who actually showed me

> the millions of candida nasties in my blood under the microscope

> linked to a TV screen. He even showed me the undigested food

> particles leaking from the gut ! I've been going for jabs twice a

> week: one is candida, to wake up my body's immune response to kill

> the little blighters on sight, the other a serum made from my own

> blood to fix the myriad of food allergies caused by the leaky gut.

I

> also take homeopathic drops to kill the fungus, and take

Biofermentin

> to sort out the intestinal candida as well as repopulate the gut

with

> good bacteria. Added to that, I take vitamen supplements and L-

> Glutamine amino acids to combat cravings ( it really works !) I

also

> use 5 Htp for the late afternoon, evening cravings. Quite frankly,

> you could put the yummiest sugar-laden dessert before me, I

couldn't

> care less now. This from a previously addicted person ! I'm also

> taking DHEA to fix the havoc the pill has wreaked on my hormones,

> along with an oestrogen creme (natural). It's only the end of week

> three now, and I've had some very very bad days where stuff dies

off.

> However, I've starting feeling much better already. I had an

awesome

> day on Monday where I felt so good I was literally bouncing off the

> walls with energy. My mood is lighter, I sleep better, and my

> baseline energy level has gone up. I can feel I have ups and downs,

> but my energy remains at an acceptable level most days. I now want

to

> clean out my colon, as constipation is the only problem that has

not

> improved. I've had the problem since childhood, so it may have

> another cause, which I must have checked out.Hope this helps

someone

> out there, hang in there guys, between us lot on line, we'll work

out

> what works and what is just a lot of BS marketing.

> >

> > Fiona

> > Lynne

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your help too Lynne!

> > Is this something that I will have to worry about for the rest

of

> my

> > life?!?!!? I can't see having to use a condom for the rest of

my

> life....

> > ( If we BOTH get control of the candida, will we still have

to

> be on such

> > a strict diet?

> >

> > Yes, I think that if I can prove to my husband, by a blood

test,

> he will be

> > more supportive.

> >

> > I really don't think I have Fibromyalgia, I think its the

Candida

> that are

> > causing all these symptoms.

> >

> > I'm currently on my 12th day of this Candida detox diet and

today

> will

> > complete 3 days of fasting that I have been doing.

> >

> > My depression has been better since I've been on this diet and

> also my

> > Hypoglycemia has been missing in action.... ) But I have

been

> so tired

> > and fatigued, (even more than usual) since starting this diet

> that I can

> > hardly function. Is this normal?

> >

> > I plan on changing my whole family's diet now and will not go

> back to the

> > old way of eating, but occasionally I would LOVE to go out to

eat

> or maybe

> > have some chocolate and I sorely miss my morning coffee. I can

> change to

> > decaf, though... if that's allowed, I don't know???

> >

> > I have so many questions and I feel so overwhelmed with this

> all. ( I'm

> > more than a little upset about this sex thing though.... (

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Missy, () in CA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you very very much for this information. I'm thinking seriously of

adding this to my program.

From: " vanderkc " <vanderkc@...>

Reply-candidiasis

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:22:10 -0000

candidiasis

Subject: Re: 5-HTP

5-htp is a form of tryptophan, 10x as strong so you only need 100 mg

when they would suggest 1000mg of tryptophan.

I get it from a health food or body building shop and always get the

capsules because they are purer than tablets...also, easier to take

directly in your mouth and get into your system sublingually. I

vary between 1 and 4 tablets daily. When I first began taking them,

I felt the difference within a day. Took them at night, to help

with sleeping initially, and they did. A few days later, I realized

I was calmer and not nearly as grouchy. I don't always take all of

the other amino acids, but the three that I have used, that help me

the most are the 5-htp, tyrosine (neurotransmitters), and l-

glutamine.

> > Dear

> >

> > My husband is not an alcoholic, but he does enjoy whiskey and

beer,

> in moderation, on the weekends. He LOVES chocholate cake and sweets

> and I'm pretty darn sure he has a low grade candida infection, as

the

> back of his tongue is sometimes yellow and he craves sweets.He

> flipped when I suggested he go and have it checked, and was even

more

> annoyed when I suggested that he could be re-infecting me. However,

> after I explained to him that it was my health that was at stake,

and

> that he might, in time, get as sick as I've been if he doesn't

attend

> to it, he was much more amenable to it.We did compromise in that he

> would go in January, after the holidays. I went off the pill to

help

> with the candida, so we have to use condoms anyway, and neither of

us

> really mind. You do get used to it quite quickly, just have to

adjust

> your mind more than anything .

> >

> > To keep you all updated: I'm the girl from South Africa who is

> being treated by a homeopath/microbiologist who actually showed me

> the millions of candida nasties in my blood under the microscope

> linked to a TV screen. He even showed me the undigested food

> particles leaking from the gut ! I've been going for jabs twice a

> week: one is candida, to wake up my body's immune response to kill

> the little blighters on sight, the other a serum made from my own

> blood to fix the myriad of food allergies caused by the leaky gut.

I

> also take homeopathic drops to kill the fungus, and take

Biofermentin

> to sort out the intestinal candida as well as repopulate the gut

with

> good bacteria. Added to that, I take vitamen supplements and L-

> Glutamine amino acids to combat cravings ( it really works !) I

also

> use 5 Htp for the late afternoon, evening cravings. Quite frankly,

> you could put the yummiest sugar-laden dessert before me, I

couldn't

> care less now. This from a previously addicted person ! I'm also

> taking DHEA to fix the havoc the pill has wreaked on my hormones,

> along with an oestrogen creme (natural). It's only the end of week

> three now, and I've had some very very bad days where stuff dies

off.

> However, I've starting feeling much better already. I had an

awesome

> day on Monday where I felt so good I was literally bouncing off the

> walls with energy. My mood is lighter, I sleep better, and my

> baseline energy level has gone up. I can feel I have ups and downs,

> but my energy remains at an acceptable level most days. I now want

to

> clean out my colon, as constipation is the only problem that has

not

> improved. I've had the problem since childhood, so it may have

> another cause, which I must have checked out.Hope this helps

someone

> out there, hang in there guys, between us lot on line, we'll work

out

> what works and what is just a lot of BS marketing.

> >

> > Fiona

> > Lynne

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your help too Lynne!

> > Is this something that I will have to worry about for the rest

of

> my

> > life?!?!!? I can't see having to use a condom for the rest of

my

> life....

> > ( If we BOTH get control of the candida, will we still have

to

> be on such

> > a strict diet?

> >

> > Yes, I think that if I can prove to my husband, by a blood

test,

> he will be

> > more supportive.

> >

> > I really don't think I have Fibromyalgia, I think its the

Candida

> that are

> > causing all these symptoms.

> >

> > I'm currently on my 12th day of this Candida detox diet and

today

> will

> > complete 3 days of fasting that I have been doing.

> >

> > My depression has been better since I've been on this diet and

> also my

> > Hypoglycemia has been missing in action.... ) But I have

been

> so tired

> > and fatigued, (even more than usual) since starting this diet

> that I can

> > hardly function. Is this normal?

> >

> > I plan on changing my whole family's diet now and will not go

> back to the

> > old way of eating, but occasionally I would LOVE to go out to

eat

> or maybe

> > have some chocolate and I sorely miss my morning coffee. I can

> change to

> > decaf, though... if that's allowed, I don't know???

> >

> > I have so many questions and I feel so overwhelmed with this

> all. ( I'm

> > more than a little upset about this sex thing though.... (

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Missy, () in CA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Just a note.... 5-htp varies for each individual ( I guess just like about

everythign else) ...I would take only half of a capsule daily, and it

helped tremendously. Unfortunatley, it also made my sinus inflammation

even worse, so I had to terminate using it.

Mic

>I get it from a health food or body building shop and always get the

>capsules because they are purer than tablets...also, easier to take

>directly in your mouth and get into your system sublingually.† I

>vary between 1 and 4 tablets daily.† When I first began taking them,

>I felt the difference within a day.† Took them at night, to help

>with sleeping initially, and they did.† A few days later, I realized

>I was calmer and not nearly as grouchy.† I don't always take all of

>the other amino acids, but the three that I have used, that help me

>the most are the 5-htp, tyrosine (neurotransmitters), and l-

>glutamine.

[Guest guest]

Please be careful...and start slow with 5-htp. It's pretty potent.

> Thank you very very much for this information. I'm thinking seriously of

>adding this to my program.

[Guest guest]

Mic,

Fortunately or unfortunately, my constitution has been like that of

an ox, so I probably have problems/bacteria that are that strong

because they fight what my system puts against them. Even as a

little child, normal dosages of anything were only working 1/10 of

the time, so I quit using normal anything or just didn't tell my

parents I was sick, I just worked through it...Maybe my mistake, but

my parents are killer as well and have survived strokes, cancer,

stress from tons of kids like me who gave them grandkids that were

worse ;-), etc, and they're still out there working 13 hours a day,

taking care of things, family, just not thinking about themselves.

I think their attitude and just the fact that they are who they are

helps enormously...DNA, genetics, or just family..

I'm really glad the sinusitis book helped for you...not quite sure

how I got so far off of the subject...

> Just a note.... 5-htp varies for each individual ( I guess just

like about

> everythign else) ...I would take only half of a capsule daily, and

it

> helped tremendously. Unfortunatley, it also made my sinus

inflammation

> even worse, so I had to terminate using it.

>

>

> Mic

>

>

>

> >I get it from a health food or body building shop and always get

the

> >capsules because they are purer than tablets...also, easier to

take

> >directly in your mouth and get into your system sublingually.† I

> >vary between 1 and 4 tablets daily.† When I first began taking

them,

> >I felt the difference within a day.† Took them at night, to help

> >with sleeping initially, and they did.† A few days later, I

realized

> >I was calmer and not nearly as grouchy.† I don't always take all

of

> >the other amino acids, but the three that I have used, that help

me

> >the most are the 5-htp, tyrosine (neurotransmitters), and l-

> >glutamine.

[Guest guest]

carynannreece wrote:

> Has any of you tried this? I take 500mg p/day currently. One - as a

> mood elevator. Two - weight control. Three - helps with sleep. I've

> been using it for about a year now and combined with my current supp

> list, I can recommend it as being part of my overall feeling of

> getting well.

>

> A good web site that explains the above is www.5htp.com

>

> It's a recommended product over tryptophan, which I know is banned in

> USA, but not in S Africa

> Best Caryn

I did try it at a much lower dose, but seemed to disrupt my sleep further, altho

in the beginning for awhile I thought it helped with pain. I also tried

Tryptophan but it did nothing for me. Again

it might have done something had I taken a much higher dose, but was a bit

afraid to do that.

Glad you found something that works for you!

marcia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/29/04 10:22:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> Hey group. My friend just started taking 5HTP. I know she was feeling bad

>

> from a variety of things: perimenopause, asthma, etc. Nothing too dramatic

> healthwise. We've discussed this before, anyone remember?

>

>

Bad idea. It raises serotonin levels with unpredictable results. In europe

this drug is prescribed with another one that heads off the blood disorder

that taking 5-htp on its own causes. This is NOT some innocuous Vitamin C pill.

Personally, I'd find something else if I were her.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/29/04 10:22:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> Hey group. My friend just started taking 5HTP. I know she was feeling bad

>

> from a variety of things: perimenopause, asthma, etc. Nothing too dramatic

> healthwise. We've discussed this before, anyone remember?

>

>

Bad idea. It raises serotonin levels with unpredictable results. In europe

this drug is prescribed with another one that heads off the blood disorder

that taking 5-htp on its own causes. This is NOT some innocuous Vitamin C pill.

Personally, I'd find something else if I were her.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/05 8:54:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> 5 HTP is the next best thing you can get and may

> actually be better as a supplement.

This is derived from a plant that grows in AFrica. It is NOT without risk,

including a potentially fatal blood disorder, unless it is taken with another

pharmaceutical. This is a case where just because it's " natural " doesn't mean

it's completely safe. And it screws with your neurotransmitters in a totally

unpredictable fashion.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/05 8:54:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> 5 HTP is the next best thing you can get and may

> actually be better as a supplement.

This is derived from a plant that grows in AFrica. It is NOT without risk,

including a potentially fatal blood disorder, unless it is taken with another

pharmaceutical. This is a case where just because it's " natural " doesn't mean

it's completely safe. And it screws with your neurotransmitters in a totally

unpredictable fashion.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/05 8:54:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> 5 HTP is the next best thing you can get and may

> actually be better as a supplement.

This is derived from a plant that grows in AFrica. It is NOT without risk,

including a potentially fatal blood disorder, unless it is taken with another

pharmaceutical. This is a case where just because it's " natural " doesn't mean

it's completely safe. And it screws with your neurotransmitters in a totally

unpredictable fashion.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/05 8:54:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> 5 HTP is the next best thing you can get and may

> actually be better as a supplement.

This is derived from a plant that grows in AFrica. It is NOT without risk,

including a potentially fatal blood disorder, unless it is taken with another

pharmaceutical. This is a case where just because it's " natural " doesn't mean

it's completely safe. And it screws with your neurotransmitters in a totally

unpredictable fashion.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

> This is derived from a plant that grows in AFrica. It is NOT without

> risk,

> including a potentially fatal blood disorder, unless it is taken with

> another

> pharmaceutical.

Oh my gosh!! Where did you learn this from?

> This is a case where just because it's " natural " doesn't mean

> it's completely safe. And it screws with your neurotransmitters in a

> totally

> unpredictable fashion.

Oh really? Your body is producing it day in and day out. Maybe that is why

we are all screwed up.

Re: 5-HTP

>

> In a message dated 4/13/05 8:54:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> SSRI medications writes:

>

>

>> 5 HTP is the next best thing you can get and may

>> actually be better as a supplement.

>

> This is derived from a plant that grows in AFrica. It is NOT without

> risk,

> including a potentially fatal blood disorder, unless it is taken with

> another

> pharmaceutical. This is a case where just because it's " natural " doesn't

> mean

> it's completely safe. And it screws with your neurotransmitters in a

> totally

> unpredictable fashion.

>

> " Blind Reason "

> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

> Unsafe At Any Dose

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just have to add, 5-htp shouldn't be taken with SSRI's

(it's a serotonin precurser).

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Just have to add, 5-htp shouldn't be taken with SSRI's

(it's a serotonin precurser).

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[Guest guest]

--- braguet@... wrote:

> What is 5-htp?

>

> Bonnie

>

L-5-Hydroxytryptophan

To my understanding this is taken to address mood

disorders rather than, for example: Prozac.

When I saw the *original* message on this I wondered

if it was actually SPAM. Because 5-HTP is not used to

treat thyroid dysfunction. The writer described this

substance as cutting appetite, which it does.

In my view treating weight issues misses the mark in

terms of treating thyroid. My belief is that properly

treated excess weight will come off. Another issue

would be how this substance might conflict or interact

with substances being used to treat thyroid.

Abbe

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Dan Keshet <dkesh@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> About 7 weeks ago, I started taking 5-HTP at 25 mg before bed.

> The

> difference after taking 25 mg was really dramatic,

> and even more so 2

> weeks ago when I bumped it up to 50 mg. ... I've also

> had enormous problems with a new type of headaches,

> photophobia, and emotional control.

These are all TCM " liver " symptoms - headaches, eyes, and

emotional control. Consider backing the 5HTP

down to 25 mg, not looking for so much benefit from a single

item, and balancing this out with a few other items helpful for

you also in modest amounts. Without knowing your whole case,

it's hard to say what those might be, but I would practically

bet money there are several suppls that would make a very useful

repertoire for you.

Carol

willis_protocols

see also my Links>TCM folder. (non-commercial, not a discussion grp)

[Guest guest]

Dan,

It sounds as though you may have crossed the threshold into too much serotonin,

thus on the verge of " Serotonin Syndrome " . The headache and emotional control

problems are very big clues!

You can research " Serotonin Sydrome " on the web easily----plenty of references.

While most of them implicate the SSRI drugs, there is frequent mention of 5-HTP

as well as plain tryptophan being causational also.

Your postive experience with 25 mg may have taken you from a slightly subnormal

serotonin level, up to your normal. It seems that you then (unknowingly) went

into excess levels. You might want to back off all of it for awhile.

Wishing you luck with it

Sharon

> About 7 weeks ago, I started taking 5-HTP at 25 mg before bed. The

> difference after taking 25 mg was really dramatic, and even more so 2

> weeks ago when I bumped it up to 50 mg. The following things have been

> positively affected: better sleep, higher exercise tolerance, stopped

> gaining weight, better concentration, and fuller immune response (read

> below for full description of what has changed).

>

> I have been so psyched that I just want to go gangbusters forward, even

> move up to 75 mg, but I've run into some major problems. Since I've been

> taking 50 mg, even though I've been much more able to do things, I've also

> had enormous problems with a new type of headaches, photophobia, and

> emotional control. If I spend 2-3 hours in a well-lit room, my headaches

> get so large I can't take it and I just lash out at everybody around me

> and nobody can stand to be around me. I feel sad for no reason. It has

> me concerned enough that, despite my gains, I am planning on reverting to

> 25 mg. Has anybody experience this sort of thing? Do you know why or

> what might help?

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>What are your thoughts on taking 5-HTP to help me sleep. It has made

>me groggy the next morning in the past but maybe if I took it earlier

>in the night. I sleep half way decent 1 out of 3 nights.

>Thanks for any input.

>Happiness, Ellen " -)

Hi Ellen,

Have you tried high doses of magnesium citrate? Aside from 5-HTP not being

part of Bee's program, when I was taking it last year my doc said it can

make you sleepy but it can also give you energy.

a

[Guest guest]

>

> >What are your thoughts on taking 5-HTP to help me sleep. It has

made

> >me groggy the next morning in the past but maybe if I took it

earlier

> >in the night. I sleep half way decent 1 out of 3 nights.

> >Thanks for any input.

> >Happiness, Ellen " -)

>

> Hi Ellen,

>

> Have you tried high doses of magnesium citrate? Aside from 5-HTP

not being

> part of Bee's program, when I was taking it last year my doc said

it can

> make you sleepy but it can also give you energy.

>

> a

a,

Thanks for your reply. I know it is not recommended by Bee but sleep

is so important. I have tried all the things recommended. Magnesium

gives me diarrhea if I take over a certain amount. I have tried Vit

C as suggested on the forum and that seems to help. I know my

adrenals need to heal and they seem to be better but will take more

time. I wouldn't mind if 5 -HTP gave me some energy either. Guess I

just want some feedback and I appreciate all of your thoughts.

Happiness, Ellen " -)

[Guest guest]

Hi I'm Marge. I've been on the group for a couple of years and mostly

just read

the postings. But I wanted to add here that my husband and I have a higher

need

for Magnesium than normal due to damage we received from the bad L-tryptophan

in the 1989 disaster...long story.

We were in an experimental study at town University and have been

taking

Magnesium sulfate injections since. We never get the stool reaction from

the injections.

I'm not recommending those for everyone, but just wanted people to know they

are out

there and they work.

Marge

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