Kidney Stones

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((((DAVID)))))) your job sounds like a lot of fun. Having a job like that, you would need extra water. Heck, I can go through one liter a day easily at school! I LOVE water....but most of all, I love my work too. I just have to keep working another few years....I have thought of team teaching with my daughter next year, but not sure that I can really take off 1/2 year to get "well". Then, there is the problem that even IF I stay home to get "well" that I never WILL get "well", so for me, until I cannot move any longer, I will continue to work! That is the only way that I can function! I get too bored too easily.

Actually, tonight, for the first time ever, I looked at job openings for possibly teaching at the Jr. College here in our area. Another option would be to try Night School. I know my credential covers me for night school. Or....maybe there is something else I can do other than teach little ones. Actually, little ones are so special! Sort of like seeing innocence all over each day. I like that. They are so cute! I wouldn't know what to do with myself! Heck, you can only go to the gym so many times in one day!

debby

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I teach public speaking and theatre - and have two extra-curriculars - drama program where I direct two plays a year and I coach speech for speech and debate team. I LOVE MY WORK! I MISS MY WORK!

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You must have been totally terrified!

debby

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I had kidney stones the first time in Rome many years when my husband's big international employer was between insurance policies and we had very little money. So, I thought I couldn't go to a doctor. I wound up with convulsions, an out-of-body experience and an infection. Harper

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My husband had an attack and we weren't sure what it was at first. He's never sick. It happened in the middle of the night and I had to have my neighbor take him to the hospital because I had three little ones sound asleep that I couldn't leave. They kept him there overnight and when he came home he was much better. Dad had an attack on my sisters wedding day. He told them at the hospital that whatever they did they better make him feel good quickly as he had to walk my sister down the isle. I don't know how he managed to do it, but he did. I'm glad that's one thing I haven't had yet. Ann CT Re: [ ] Kidney stones In a message dated 1/4/02 7:54:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, mtmuscldog@... writes: I had a friend share a home remedy for passing kidney stones. Eating asparagus and washing it down with cola. Tried it a few times in past = worked some - some times not. I didn't know you were speaking of kidney stones. I thought you meant home remedies for AIH. In Rome, doctors gave me a strict list of what to eat and drink, with brand names of "good" and "bad" bottled water. In San Francisco, the doctor said diet would have to be impossibly, unrealistically controlled to help any in prevention. One important thing -- he pointed out that the pain from kidney stones can be truly dangerous, and that one must get help when an attack starts. Harper

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Child birth for me wasn't a picnic either. First one was in labor for 3 days until they did a c-section. The other two were c-sections and didn't have to go through the labor. I've had so many surgeries that my stomach looks like a railroad track. LOL Ann CT Re: [ ] Kidney stones In a message dated 1/4/02 8:31:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, tdcc2000@... writes: Oh yes Harper....stones are very very serious. My husband had an attack...he was in such pain. It is terrible!! I personally have never had them and hope I never do! I just laughed at my husband because he was in such pain yelling, "The pain, the pain!" I told him to shut up cause it was no worse than having a baby! He didn't listen. The doctor put him out of his misery.....and mine! Several days later, he was all better.....ohhhh they must be terrible! debby I found kidney stones to be quite a lot worse than having a baby -- , and my baby-having experience was said to be much worse than the average. The point is that the pain of kidney stones can be dangerous in itself, as one can go into shock. Harper

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In a message dated 1/4/02 8:47:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, flatcat9@... writes:

.. People being treated for AIH are prone to them because Prednisone leaches calcium from bones and drops it into the bloodstream. The kidneys pick it up -- and there you are.

Harper

i found this to be very interesting...

WOW! soooo...much to learn....

ttyl, bert.

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In a message dated 1/4/02 9:05:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, flatcat9@... writes:

.. I wound up with convulsions, an out-of-body experience and an infection.

Harper

GOOD GRIEF! that sounds awful!

glad you made it through it!!

bert.

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In a message dated 1/4/02 9:53:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, mtmuscldog@... writes:

When they told me my enzymes were up to 3000

- I knew I was going to die.

I WOULD OF BEEN TERRIFIED TOO!!

glad you're still here...(HUGS)

bert.

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WOW! Your dad must have been totally awesome to walk her down the isle! Glad your hubby was better too!

debby

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In a message dated 1/4/02 7:54:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, mtmuscldog@... writes:

I had a friend share a home remedy for passing kidney stones. Eating asparagus and washing it down with cola. Tried it a few times in past = worked some - some times not. I didn't know you were speaking of kidney stones. I thought you meant home remedies for AIH. In Rome, doctors gave me a strict list of what to eat and drink, with brand names of "good" and "bad" bottled water. In San Francisco, the doctor said diet would have to be impossibly, unrealistically controlled to help any in prevention. One important thing -- he pointed out that the pain from kidney stones can be truly dangerous, and that one must get help when an attack starts. Harper

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Harper,

I have never had kidney stones...but do remember the day my husband

got hit with his first...didnt know what happened, he just doubled

over in pain..almost collapsed. Scared the wits out of both of us.

Once the initial pain subsided, he decided against going to the ER..we

called the doc, he ordered the tests and got him on pain meds as soon

as possible.

Since that initial episode, he cut way back on his cola an tea and

drank water; has only had one other instance since, thank goodness,

and that one was not nearly as bad.

, hope you get thru this soon.

nne

> In a message dated 1/4/02 8:31:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> tdcc2000@e... writes:

>

>

> > Oh yes Harper....stones are very very serious. My husband had an

> > attack...he was in such pain. It is terrible!! I personally have

never

> > had them and hope I never do! I just laughed at my husband

because he was

> > in such pain yelling, " The pain, the pain! " I told him to shut up

cause it

> > was no worse than having a baby! He didn't listen. The doctor

put him out

> > of his misery.....and mine! Several days later, he was all

> > better.....ohhhh they must be terrible!

> > debby

> >

>

> I found kidney stones to be quite a lot worse than having a baby --

, and my

> baby-having experience was said to be much worse than the average.

>

> The point is that the pain of kidney stones can be dangerous in

itself, as

> one can go into shock.

> Harper

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Thanks Bert - your hugs are sensational

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Me too! I am able to put weight down on foot today and not having to hop

with the walker. Going up and down the steps are fun though.

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Thanks

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Ann,

I know how you feel...by the time they got around to doing my

hysterectomy (surgery # 4 in the same place) I asked my ob/gyn why he

hadnt just put in a durn zipper after the 1st c-section! Would have

been SO much simpler.

nne

-- In @y..., " Ann Rita " <seafarer52@m...> wrote:

> Child birth for me wasn't a picnic either. First one was in labor

for 3 days until they did a c-section. The other two were c-sections

and didn't have to go through the labor. I've had so many surgeries

that my stomach looks like a railroad track. LOL

> Ann CT

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>

>

> In a message dated 1/4/02 8:31:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

tdcc2000@e... writes:

>

>

>

> Oh yes Harper....stones are very very serious. My husband had an

attack...he was in such pain. It is terrible!! I personally have

never had them and hope I never do! I just laughed at my husband

because he was in such pain yelling, " The pain, the pain! " I told him

to shut up cause it was no worse than having a baby! He didn't

listen. The doctor put him out of his misery.....and mine! Several

days later, he was all better.....ohhhh they must be terrible!

> debby

>

>

>

> I found kidney stones to be quite a lot worse than having a baby --

, and my baby-having experience was said to be much worse than the

average.

>

> The point is that the pain of kidney stones can be dangerous in

itself, as one can go into shock.

> Harper

>

>

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,

It is good to hear you are able to get around better now. :-)

LC AIH (0701)

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Me too! I am able to put weight down on foot today and not having to hop

with the walker. Going up and down the steps are fun though.

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Harper,

I have kidney stones before and after starting prednisone. I was unaware

that they were related to prednisone use. Can you give me some info on why

prednisone makes them worse?

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In a message dated 1/6/02 8:33:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, MKANTZLE@... writes:

Harper,

I have kidney stones before and after starting prednisone. I was unaware that they were related to prednisone use. Can you give me some info on why prednisone makes them worse?

Prednisone leaches calcium from the bones, dropping it into the bloodstream. The kidneys remove the calcium from the blood, where it may cause kidney stones. I had kidney stones twice before Prednisone, none since. I began Prednisone in May 2000, at 80 mg/day. Prednisone use increases the risk of kidney stones, but it doesn't mean you will have them.

Harper

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Thanks Harper.

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In a message dated 4/18/02 9:36:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

My Hepatologist said and I think Harper posted about this not to long ago, that there is an increased risk of stones if you are on Prednisone. I think it has something to do with your body not metabolizing the calcium like those who are not on Prednisone.

Here's roughly how it works: Prednisone leaches calcium out of your bones and into the blood stream. Your kidneys pick it up from the blood, and it can form kidney stones. This is only a possibility, but it's something to be aware of. You need to get enough calcium, through diet and supplements, to keep your bones strong, but not so much as to increase the risk of kidney disorders. This is one reason to use load-bearing exercise to strengthen bones! I keep forgetting to mention exercise, as many of us are doing less rather than more, post AIH. However, it is very important to do all that you can.

Harper

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Harper-

Thanks for the info.

Peace-

Scout

>

> From: flatcat9@...

> Date: 2002/04/18 Thu PM 01:02:17 EDT

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Kidney stones

>

> In a message dated 4/18/02 9:36:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

>

> > My Hepatologist said and I think Harper posted about this not to long ago,

> > that there is an increased risk of stones if you are on Prednisone. I

> > think

> > it has something to do with your body not metabolizing the calcium like

> > those

> > who are not on Prednisone.

> >

> >

>

> Here's roughly how it works: Prednisone leaches calcium out of your bones

> and into the blood stream. Your kidneys pick it up from the blood, and it

> can form kidney stones. This is only a possibility, but it's something to be

> aware of. You need to get enough calcium, through diet and supplements, to

> keep your bones strong, but not so much as to increase the risk of kidney

> disorders. This is one reason to use load-bearing exercise to strengthen

> bones! I keep forgetting to mention exercise, as many of us are doing less

> rather than more, post AIH. However, it is very important to do all that you

> can.

> Harper

>

>

In a message dated 4/18/02 9:36:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

My Hepatologist said and I think Harper posted about this not to long ago, that there is an increased risk of stones if you are on Prednisone. I think it has something to do with your body not metabolizing the calcium like those who are not on Prednisone.

Here's roughly how it works: Prednisone leaches calcium out of your bones and into the blood stream. Your kidneys pick it up from the blood, and it can form kidney stones. This is only a possibility, but it's something to be aware of. You need to get enough calcium, through diet and supplements, to keep your bones strong, but not so much as to increase the risk of kidney disorders. This is one reason to use load-bearing exercise to strengthen bones! I keep forgetting to mention exercise, as many of us are doing less rather than more, post AIH. However, it is very important to do all that you can.

Harper

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I had kidney stones a couple years ago and had to stop taking my calcium

supplements. I am over 3 1/2 years out. That is so hard to believe.

Anyway, I try to drink more water and I'm not sure what type of stones they

were so I try to avoid nuts.

Kidney stone are not fun. Take care. Janet from PA

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Kathy

I too had Kidney Stones for the first time in my life. I thought I was having

a pendiscitus (not sure how to spell that) attack. After a ER visit and a cat

scan, it proved to be a little tiny stone that caused big big pain. I will

have a baby any day wow!!

Since I had my MGB surgery July 3rd of 2003 and the little ingrate showed up

in Oct and another in January of this year, my Doctor disputes that it has

anything to do with the surgery. Her thought is stones take years to build,

and it was just to time to rear its little fun. I did catch it. It was

analized, and determined to be a calium stone. Things to do: Drink Drink and

Drink more.

Lynn

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The kidney stones may result from thse patients not drinking adequate fluids.

If you find vitamins with extra niacin in them, which many bariatric vitamins have, make sure it's non-flushing.

Kate Alie, M.S., R.D., L.D.

kidney stones

Hi everyone,I am a dietitian in an outpatient physician practice in Gainesville,Ga. We do not do bariatric surgery, but I see some presurgery and 1-2yrpost surgery patients. This listserv has been great in helping me keepup with the latest info. We've had 6 employees in our practice who havehad surgery in the past year, and this leads to my questions. 1. Haveany of you seen kidney stones develop post surgery and if so, what isthe pathology? 2. Do most bariatric vitamins contain niacin?Thanks for your help!Amy Nichols

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My chiro in Florida said I have a tendency to form stones and I do

have a fist like pain in my right kidney from time to time. He

recommended gravel root. You can buy it as a tincture in any health

food store and I always keep some on hand. I just drop it in my

mouth without diluting it since I don't mind the taste to much. I

also try to drink a lot of fresh lemon in water. It takes a little

while to start working but does work for me.

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I hope this is more helpful than not...

I thought Hydrochlorthiazide increases blood calcium but decreases urinary calcium? But it does deplete blood/body of potassium. So I'm thinking a change in antihypertensive may help stem low blood potassium level, as you can see I'm not sure about Ca.. How is patient's hydration status on one hand diuretic on the other this concentrates urine more prone to stones???

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Diet-wise the only thing I could think to try would be a low oxalate diet.

The HCTZ can cause urinary calcium retention - good for our bones but

perhaps not in her case for stones. She needs a 24 hour urine analysis and

a good urologist who can get to the bottom of this.

I had a pt like that a long time ago - developed ESRD and was dialysis

dependent

secondary to chronic and recurring oxalate kidney stones after a JI bypass.

Makes me wonder if her surgery had a more substantial malabsorptive

component. I also wonder if something else is going on for her to be so

hypokalemic.

How is her nutritional status in general?

kidney stones

I saw a 5 year post-op RNY who has severe kidney stones. They have

been so large and frequent that she cannot have them crushed anymore

d/t damage to her kidneys. This pt also has problems with potassium

levels dropping so low that she has to go to the ER for IV K. During

our appointment she stated hx depression and c/o difficulty of

memory recall.

NOTE: This patient did not have surgery at my clinic. The clinic

where she had surgery told her to follow-up with her PCP who does

not know much about bariatric surgery and the implications. Also she

was informed only to take 1 MVI qd. No extra B12, Ca citrate, Fe.

2 weeks prior to our appointment she added:

Juice Plus, Vit E 400 IU + 25 mcg selenium, B6 (not sure of dosage),

subl. B12 (1000mcg), 400 mcg folic acid, 1300mg Fe (per PCP), elixor

consisting of B12, Biotin, Ca, Mg, Zn, Selenium, Manganese,

Chromium, K, silica.

Meds consist of: Chlorocon 10 mEq 5xday, Xanax, Prozac,

Hydrochlorothiazide

Consumes 80oz H2O daily

I don't know what to do with this patient. It's so bad that she is

considering having surgery reversed. Any ideas as to labs that

should be run, education, anything?

Thanks!

, RD,CD

Memorial Weight Loss

& Bariatric Surgery Center