Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 > Hi all from Sue, could it be that i have something wrong with my Parathiroid and not my thyroid or indeed both, yesterday at work just before lunch i had a sudden pain up under my ribs on the right side, it was painful enough to limit my intake of breath which made yawning impossible because i just could'nt breath in that deep, Hi Sue, If the pain his high up under the rib cage, it might be Tietze's syndrome, which is harmless, but pretty painful. I get it from time to time. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Tietzes-syndrome/Pages/Symptoms.aspx Best wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Hi there, Pain under the ribs is more often than not the adrenals - I have kidney issues and I am under a renal specialist at a London hospital - so I am constantly tested for all renal issues when this pain started. Nothing found but when I got my adrenals sorted out -i.e I was on too much thyroid medication for the amount of cortisol I could produce - the pains went away. When I searched deep into the internet it did say that this pain was due to adrenal issues. Hope this helps Mandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 > > Hi there, > > Pain under the ribs is more often than not the adrenals - I have kidney > Hi Mandy thanks for your advice but due to the pain i went to see the doctor and she sent me to hospital, after several tests and xrays they came to the " conclusion " (well guessed) that it may be pneumonia!!!while in there i saw a perfect oppotunity to get my thyroid checked( what a joke)the doctor put on the blood form thyroid diagnostic but when i asked for the results with the reference range i was told that they could only find the tsh which was 1.08 ref range 0.35-5.50mu/L,and subsequently got into a stand up argument with this nut when he tried to tell me that in uk that is all they test for, will try again on nov 27th when i go to see a ( i think ) decent doctor at my local surgery. luv sue X > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 It certainly is scary to hear that eating healthy could make you sick but I guess too much of anything can do that. I hope that you feel better soon. I have only recently started adding kale to my smoothies so I will try and be careful with all of this. Thanks for letting us know. > > Hi I'm new to the group, Iv had my vitamix for 2 months and I love it! Every morning for the last 8 weeks I make myself a morning smoothie, Kale, spinach, strawberries, banana, yum, Last week I found myself in the hospital with a kidney stone, I have never had one, I come to find out that spinach & kale have a lot of calcium which is the cause of the stone, I am so bummed, first of all my doctor told me to stop the spinach & kale, I loved my smoothie every morning, I felt great, lost weight, etc. anybody heard of this? I googled it and sure enough it happens to a lot of people. I made a stone in just 8 weeks, scary. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Once you're stone-free, you might want to incorporate a daily gram or so of Vitamin C into your diet to keep your urine acid. Some claim that it causes stones but that's not so and I think research has since disproved this. Just don't consume as MUCH spinach. Re: Kidney stones It certainly is scary to hear that eating healthy could make you sick but I guess too much of anything can do that. I hope that you feel better soon. I have only recently started adding kale to my smoothies so I will try and be careful with all of this. Thanks for letting us know. > > Hi I'm new to the group, Iv had my vitamix for 2 months and I love it! Every morning for the last 8 weeks I make myself a morning smoothie, Kale, spinach, strawberries, banana, yum, Last week I found myself in the hospital with a kidney stone, I have never had one, I come to find out that spinach & kale have a lot of calcium which is the cause of the stone, I am so bummed, first of all my doctor told me to stop the spinach & kale, I loved my smoothie every morning, I felt great, lost weight, etc. anybody heard of this? I googled it and sure enough it happens to a lot of people. I made a stone in just 8 weeks, scary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 It is actually the oxalates in many veggies that can cause stones, and it often happens if you don't consume enough water in addition to your smoothies. I have lupus, so my kidneys have never functioned properly, and I have to be super careful with stones forming. I haven't had leafy greens in years, since they are not good for me-SURPRISE-greens are not a one-size-fits-all veggie! I grow my own greens so I can add them to my daughter's smoothies, but I limit her to once a week on some, since I don't want her to form stones. Don't be bummed-there are still plenty of things you can throw into a smoothie, and perhaps have your heavy greens once in a while, or in small amounts. I was truly bummed when I realized that fruits and veggies were mostly BAD for me, since it goes against everything we are ever taught about food. I also have to avoid foods high in iron and protein, again going against all I ever believed about food. There are plenty of adjustments that can be made though. Hope you recover quickly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I have worked in the urology industry for over 20 years - without giving you my boring history - I worked for the company that invented the technology that breaks up kidney stones. If there is one thing I am very well educated in, it is kidney stones - they were my life for close to 20 years - not only did I perform the treatments, I taught the surgeons and ancillary staff how to perform the treatments! (I'm now in another field completely - travel! Way more fun!!) Anyways…. if I had one bit of advice to give you (not that you asked!!) - water, water, water!! Yes, spinach and kale are stone forming culprits… however, both can be enjoyed in moderation as long as you have appropriate amounts of water intake. Please keep in mind caffeine is a diuretic, it does nothing to hydrate your kidneys - caffeine based beverages do not count towards your water intake, they detract from it. If you don't like the taste of plain water, add some lemon to it - the lemon will do you a world of good. There are also many different types (composition) of stones - not all are calcium based, some have no calcium, some only small amounts of calcium, some are pure calcium. Treatments can vary depending on your stone type. A vast portion of the population actually forms stones throughout their life - the difference is people who are well hydrated pass the microscopic fragments (less than 1mm) and never even knew they had them. When you kidneys are really well hydrated the stones tend not to " stick around " and grow. Dehydration and excess calcium intake are 2 of the leading causes of stones. In the urology industry we refer to " stone season " and the " stone belt " - there are areas of the US (think hot and humid) that have a much higher incidence of stones than other areas of the country. Another interesting note - there is a fairly high incidence of stones among pregnant women - why? Pre-natal vitamins combined with mild dehydration. I am NOT suggesting pregnant women stop taking pre-natal vitamins…. they just need to keep their water intake up. (most slack off water because they are running to the little girls room so often - compliments of baby!) Obviously I could go on about stones for days….. I've probably bored everyone as it is. Sorry…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 My email crossed in cyberspace with 's. She is spot on about the oxalates. In addition to dehydration and excess calcium (the 2 leading causes) - many medical conditions contribute to stone pre-disposition in folks. I am not about to give medical advice, so please take any / all of my comments as my opinion based on my knowledge and work in the industry and not direct medical advice. With regards to excess calcium - this has become a real issue in the last 10 years with the increasing popularity of calcium based supplements for bone density issues. Many folks take their supplements, but do not have adequate nutritional intake of the other required nutrients for calcium absorption. They take these plus a calcium tab, plus a daily vitamin, plus….. more is not always better. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Kelley, why apologize for giving GREAT info? Please do when you have something like that to share-it is the exact kind of info she was looking for. Thanks for posting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Thanks …. it's funny - because the 2 things I know best in the world are kidney stones and travel. My husband will tell you I don't know when to stop with either one! ha-ha!!! I am always happy to share any info I have especially if it is helpful. That's why I was a corporate and clinical trainer for so many years. I love providing people with useful information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 You didn't bore me, Kelley! Re: Re: Kidney stones I have worked in the urology industry for over 20 years - without giving you my boring history - I worked for the company that invented the technology that breaks up kidney stones. If there is one thing I am very well educated in, it is kidney stones - they were my life for close to 20 years - not only did I perform the treatments, I taught the surgeons and ancillary staff how to perform the treatments! (I'm now in another field completely - travel! Way more fun!!) Anyways…. if I had one bit of advice to give you (not that you asked!!) - water, water, water!! Yes, spinach and kale are stone forming culprits… however, both can be enjoyed in moderation as long as you have appropriate amounts of water intake. Please keep in mind caffeine is a diuretic, it does nothing to hydrate your kidneys - caffeine based beverages do not count towards your water intake, they detract from it. If you don't like the taste of plain water, add some lemon to it - the lemon will do you a world of good. There are also many different types (composition) of stones - not all are calcium based, some have no calcium, some only small amounts of calcium, some are pure calcium. Treatments can vary depending on your stone type. A vast portion of the population actually forms stones throughout their life - the difference is people who are well hydrated pass the microscopic fragments (less than 1mm) and never even knew they had them. When you kidneys are really well hydrated the stones tend not to "stick around" and grow. Dehydration and excess calcium intake are 2 of the leading causes of stones. In the urology industry we refer to "stone season" and the "stone belt" - there are areas of the US (think hot and humid) that have a much higher incidence of stones than other areas of the country. Another interesting note - there is a fairly high incidence of stones among pregnant women - why? Pre-natal vitamins combined with mild dehydration. I am NOT suggesting pregnant women stop taking pre-natal vitamins…. they just need to keep their water intake up. (most slack off water because they are running to the little girls room so often - compliments of baby!) Obviously I could go on about stones for days….. I've probably bored everyone as it is. Sorry…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Aren't better calcium supplements usually formulated with the correct calcium-to-magnesium ratio? Re: Re: Kidney stones My email crossed in cyberspace with 's. She is spot on about the oxalates. In addition to dehydration and excess calcium (the 2 leading causes) - many medical conditions contribute to stone pre-disposition in folks. I am not about to give medical advice, so please take any / all of my comments as my opinion based on my knowledge and work in the industry and not direct medical advice. With regards to excess calcium - this has become a real issue in the last 10 years with the increasing popularity of calcium based supplements for bone density issues. Many folks take their supplements, but do not have adequate nutritional intake of the other required nutrients for calcium absorption. They take these plus a calcium tab, plus a daily vitamin, plus….. more is not always better. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I think " better " would be relative. While there ARE " better " supplements that still have the " correct " ratio, the very idea of a one-size-fits-all supplement is ridiculous to begin with. I am personally of the mindset that we should get our nutrition from food, not pills that are marketed to the masses based on what some group of old farts has decided is the right amount. If people would get to know their body better, they would learn when and how to give it what it needs. The calcium pill you take today may not be good for you tomorrow, depending on what other sources of calcium you had on any given day-same applies for ANY supplement, really. I think one reason people do form things like kidney stones, is that they may be getting plenty of calcium from their diets alone, but mass marketing leads them to believe they need to take a pill too. As I mentioned, in MY case, turned out too much of a " good " thing is what was keeping me sick and crippled. Once I learned to balance my nutrition through REAL food, not pills, I healed almost completely. Anyone who is eating a well balanced diet (preferably organic) is quite likely getting MORE than enough of the things they need, without taking pills on top of it. > > Aren't better calcium supplements usually formulated with the correct calcium-to-magnesium ratio? > > > > > > > Re: Re: Kidney stones > >  > My email crossed in cyberspace with 's. > She is spot on about the oxalates. > In addition to dehydration and excess calcium (the 2 leading causes) - many medical conditions contribute to stone pre-disposition in folks. I am not about to give medical advice, so please take any / all of my comments as my opinion based on my knowledge and work in the industry and not direct medical advice. > With regards to excess calcium - this has become a real issue in the last 10 years with the increasing popularity of calcium based supplements for bone density issues. Many folks take their supplements, but do not have adequate nutritional intake of the other required nutrients for calcium absorption. They take these plus a calcium tab, plus a daily vitamin, plus…..  more is not always better. :-) >  >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Yes, the better ones are - but some folks don't know how to tell a better one from not so they buy the " cheapest " - sometimes they get lucky - sometimes not. Also - Vitamin D levels have an affect on calcium absorption. If someone is deficient in Vitamin D, the calcium will not be absorbed properly and thus becomes excess calcium in their system. Vitamin C and Lactose (the dreaded lactose!) can promote calcium absorption. Phytic Acid and Oxalic Acid inhibit absorption. The average adult only absorbs about 15%-20% of their calcium intake - that can make a great deal of excess calcium in the system. Most is excreted, but not all - the amount that is not excreted becomes problematic. > > Aren't better calcium supplements usually formulated with the correct calcium-to-magnesium ratio? > > > > > > > Re: Re: Kidney stones > >  > My email crossed in cyberspace with 's. > She is spot on about the oxalates. > In addition to dehydration and excess calcium (the 2 leading causes) - many medical conditions contribute to stone pre-disposition in folks. I am not about to give medical advice, so please take any / all of my comments as my opinion based on my knowledge and work in the industry and not direct medical advice. > With regards to excess calcium - this has become a real issue in the last 10 years with the increasing popularity of calcium based supplements for bone density issues. Many folks take their supplements, but do not have adequate nutritional intake of the other required nutrients for calcium absorption. They take these plus a calcium tab, plus a daily vitamin, plus…..  more is not always better. :-) >  >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 WOW - thanks for all the info . I usually buy about 2 pounds of organic spinach a week plus 2 bunches of kale and have at least one green smoothie per day. I think I will cut back to 1 pound and try other non sweet greens such as baby lettuces and arugula. Are they ok? The other Leanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 the amount of Calcium in baby lettuce can vary - but there usually is much less than in the darker leafy greens. Arugula has the same amount of calcium as Spinach but is lower in Oxalates. It is often the oxalates that are blocking the absorption - not the calcium. I hope my information is not causing people to want to avoid Spinach and Kale - that is not my intent!! I personally have Spinach every day - often more than once a day and have done so for years. I'm not a big fan of Kale - but I am going to try it again in the new year. Here's an Arugula smoothie recipe that can be modified for the vitamix (less water, add ice) Arugula Green Smoothie 2 cups water 1 bunch arugula 1 pear 2 bananas pinch (or more!) nutmeg Blend and enjoy! > > WOW - thanks for all the info . I usually buy about 2 pounds of > organic spinach a week plus 2 bunches of kale and have at least one green > smoothie per day. I think I will cut back to 1 pound and try other non > sweet greens such as baby lettuces and arugula. Are they ok? > > The other Leanne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I'm not sure if you got this reply or not. It did not show up in my email - so I'm trying again just in case. > > > > WOW - thanks for all the info . I usually buy about 2 pounds of > > organic spinach a week plus 2 bunches of kale and have at least one green > > smoothie per day. I think I will cut back to 1 pound and try other non > > sweet greens such as baby lettuces and arugula. Are they ok? > > > > The other Leanne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Yes it's there...thanks for all the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I think that the R in RDA stands for "recommended" for that very reason--it's a ballpark figure which means that it takes into account that individuals might (and probably do) have different needs. As to getting our nutrition exclusively from food, I agree that it's an ideal but it's not always practical or even possible (comatose patients or those in ICUs for whatever reason, e.g., can't be nutritionally sustained in a mainstream manner, regardless of how much it might benefit them). I personally have no problem with supplements and take them myself but would recommend that those who do so try to be informed. Re: Re: Kidney stones > >  > My email crossed in cyberspace with 's. > She is spot on about the oxalates. > In addition to dehydration and excess calcium (the 2 leading causes) - many medical conditions contribute to stone pre-disposition in folks. I am not about to give medical advice, so please take any / all of my comments as my opinion based on my knowledge and work in the industry and not direct medical advice. > With regards to excess calcium - this has become a real issue in the last 10 years with the increasing popularity of calcium based supplements for bone density issues. Many folks take their supplements, but do not have adequate nutritional intake of the other required nutrients for calcium absorption. They take these plus a calcium tab, plus a daily vitamin, plus…..  more is not always better. :-) >  >  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I fully agree, . There are many reasons someone might need a supplement. I am just of the mindset personally that one should TRY to get nutrients from a well balanced diet. The RDA is SO outdated. It was devised during the war to make sure soldiers were getting adequate nutrition, and that those on rationed food were getting enough as well. I don't think it applies any more. There is such an available bounty of foods available, that one CAN get their nutrition from food, but doesn't mean they always can. I guess my worry with supplements is the excess someone could get.From: <kareningotham@...>Subject: Re: Re: Kidney stones Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 4:34 PM I think that the R in RDA stands for "recommended" for that very reason--it's a ballpark figure which means that it takes into account that individuals might (and probably do) have different needs. As to getting our nutrition exclusively from food, I agree that it's an ideal but it's not always practical or even possible (comatose patients or those in ICUs for whatever reason, e.g., can't be nutritionally sustained in a mainstream manner, regardless of how much it might benefit them). I personally have no problem with supplements and take them myself but would recommend that those who do so try to be informed. Re: Re: Kidney stones > >  > My email crossed in cyberspace with 's. > She is spot on about the oxalates. > In addition to dehydration and excess calcium (the 2 leading causes) - many medical conditions contribute to stone pre-disposition in folks. I am not about to give medical advice, so please take any / all of my comments as my opinion based on my knowledge and work in the industry and not direct medical advice. > With regards to excess calcium - this has become a real issue in the last 10 years with the increasing popularity of calcium based supplements for bone density issues. Many folks take their supplements, but do not have adequate nutritional intake of the other required nutrients for calcium absorption. They take these plus a calcium tab, plus a daily vitamin, plus…..  more is not always better. :-) >  >  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Not boring at all, in fact it was very interesting. Thanks! Fran In a message dated 12/31/2010 1:04:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kelaus@... writes: I have worked in the urology industry for over 20 years - without giving you my boring history - I worked for the company that invented the technology that breaks up kidney stones. If there is one thing I am very well educated in, it is kidney stones - they were my life for close to 20 years - not only did I perform the treatments, I taught the surgeons and ancillary staff how to perform the treatments! (I'm now in another field completely - travel! Way more fun!!) Anyways…. if I had one bit of advice to give you (not that you asked!!) - water, water, water!! Yes, spinach and kale are stone forming culprits… however, both can be enjoyed in moderation as long as you have appropriate amounts of water intake. Please keep in mind caffeine is a diuretic, it does nothing to hydrate your kidneys - caffeine based beverages do not count towards your water intake, they detract from it. If you don't like the taste of plain water, add some lemon to it - the lemon will do you a world of good. There are also many different types (composition) of stones - not all are calcium based, some have no calcium, some only small amounts of calcium, some are pure calcium. Treatments can vary depending on your stone type. A vast portion of the population actually forms stones throughout their life - the difference is people who are well hydrated pass the microscopic fragments (less than 1mm) and never even knew they had them. When you kidneys are really well hydrated the stones tend not to "stick around" and grow. Dehydration and excess calcium intake are 2 of the leading causes of stones. In the urology industry we refer to "stone season" and the "stone belt" - there are areas of the US (think hot and humid) that have a much higher incidence of stones than other areas of the country. Another interesting note - there is a fairly high incidence of stones among pregnant women - why? Pre-natal vitamins combined with mild dehydration. I am NOT suggesting pregnant women stop taking pre-natal vitamins…. they just need to keep their water intake up. (most slack off water because they are running to the little girls room so often - compliments of baby!) Obviously I could go on about stones for days….. I've probably bored everyone as it is. Sorry…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Thank you so much everyone, all this information is very helpful, I have already upped my water intake, but so far I have not had a smoothie in a week. I never thought I was getting too much, I only had 1 smoothie a day 1 banana, a few strawberries, 2 handfuls of organic baby spinach, & 2 kale leaves and water. I saw my acupuncturist as well as my doctor, the acupuncturist said no more kale or spinach and limit my beet intake, he did say I could have cabbage,dandelion, asparagus, cucumber and all squashes. My regular doctor said he felt I was dehydrated and my blood tests showed no calcium in my blood. I dont want to give up my favorite green smoothie but will limit it to a few times a week followed by a lot of water. How much spinach do people normally put in? a cup? a handful? I really did not think it was much at all, I felt so great everyday and as mentioned before lost almost 10 pound right away. any other good morning smoothie recipes? Thank you everyone for your thoughtful replies and Happy new year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 , also remember this: your body is probably NOT used to such an intake of veggies all at once. It may not seem like a large amount in a smoothie, but when you see all that laid out ready to make, it is probably not a volume of veggies and fruits you are used to consuming at one time. It takes the body a while to adjust to all those goodies! You may actually have been depleted of some vitamins/minerals, and your body just simply can't absorb them so quickly. Many people actually have to work up to a decent sized smoothie. Also, remember that most serving sizes that Americans are used to is WAY more than we should be taking in at one time anyway. Most people consume a 10 or 12 oz drink at any given time without a thought. I give my teen daughter about 4 ounces at a time. Also, you mentioned that your spinach is organic-what about the rest of the stuff? Remember too, that when you use non organic fruits and veggies you are also taking in a high concentration of pesticide residues all at once too. Pesticides CANNOT be washed off-they are sprayed from the time they are planted, and much of it is taken up into the produce. All the washing in the world won't change that. > > Thank you so much everyone, all this information is very helpful, I have already upped my water intake, but so far I have not had a smoothie in a week. I never thought I was getting too much, I only had 1 smoothie a day 1 banana, a few strawberries, 2 handfuls of organic baby spinach, & 2 kale leaves and water. I saw my acupuncturist as well as my doctor, the acupuncturist said no more kale or spinach and limit my beet intake, he did say I could have cabbage,dandelion, asparagus, cucumber and all squashes. My regular doctor said he felt I was dehydrated and my blood tests showed no calcium in my blood. I dont want to give up my favorite green smoothie but will limit it to a few times a week followed by a lot of water. How much spinach do people normally put in? a cup? a handful? I really did not think it was much at all, I felt so great everyday and as mentioned before lost almost 10 pound right away. any other good morning smoothie recipes? > > Thank you everyone for your thoughtful replies and Happy new year! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Well I find this information very informative. I have poor functioning kidneys and have learned the hard way to DRINK WATER...I was also suffering my from very bad leg cramps, in the shin bone areas. Once I upped my water intake they have completely subsided. We tend to forget how important our free drink is! I was not bored one bit!!!! Kandy From: Kelley Austin <kelaus@...>Subject: Re: Re: Kidney stones Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 1:03 PM I have worked in the urology industry for over 20 years - without giving you my boring history - I worked for the company that invented the technology that breaks up kidney stones. If there is one thing I am very well educated in, it is kidney stones - they were my life for close to 20 years - not only did I perform the treatments, I taught the surgeons and ancillary staff how to perform the treatments! (I'm now in another field completely - travel! Way more fun!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Seems a good time to mention you should drink QUALITY water. Bottled water labeled as " purified " or " enhanced " is loaded with chemical crap and is no better than tap water-all full of nasties. > > > From: Kelley Austin <kelaus@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Kidney stones > > Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 1:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have worked in the urology industry for over 20 years - without giving you my boring history - I worked for the company that invented the technology that breaks up kidney stones. If there is one thing I am very well educated in, it is kidney stones - they were my life for close to 20 years - not only did I perform the treatments, I taught the surgeons and ancillary staff how to perform the treatments! (I'm now in another field completely - travel! Way more fun!!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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