Melatonin

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In a message dated 29/06/2006 12:10:29 GMT Daylight Time, catherine.devereux@... writes:

Are you likely to stock melatonin at all. I too need some soon and will also have ot buy it from the U.S on its own. Is Cally best source for this do you think?

>>>>I can't sell it because it illegal in the UK. But I did cock up my own order and have 3 pots coming in this week so if its Melatonin Plus from Kirkman you want we could swap between friends - wink

Mandi x

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In a message dated 29/06/2006 13:01:37 GMT Daylight Time, catherine.devereux@... writes:

Not used that before but am willing to give it a try - is it 3mg strength? Anything else in it? If you're happy to let me have some then just invoice me via paypal - I've just ordered some CP1!!

>>I just put a few in your parcel with the CP1. This one is 1mg per tiny cap and has extra Magnesium 100mg but with Jacks bowels thats not a bad thing I don't think - let me know how they go and we'll work something out if you want a full pot

Mandi x

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Hi Mandi,

Are you likely to stock melatonin at all. I too need some soon and will

also have ot buy it from the U.S on its own. Is Cally best source for

this do you think?

Is the life extensions stuff any good. Have never tried it with Jack?

Love

Mum231ASD@... wrote:

> In a message dated 28/06/2006 20:19:00 GMT Daylight Time,

> peta3366@... writes:

>

> Hi Mandi what do you mean by under the customs wire? Why don't you

> use life extension for Sam?

>

> I mean without you having to pay VAT and duty. LEf doesn't work on

> Sam, Kirkman doesn't work on me, lots don;t work on me, only LEF and

> Natrol brands, no idea why

>

> Mandi x

>

> JHi

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi,

Are you likely to stock melatonin at all. I too need some soon and will

also have ot buy it from the U.S on its own. Is Cally best source for

this do you think?

Is the life extensions stuff any good. Have never tried it with Jack?

Love

Mum231ASD@... wrote:

> In a message dated 28/06/2006 20:19:00 GMT Daylight Time,

> peta3366@... writes:

>

> Hi Mandi what do you mean by under the customs wire? Why don't you

> use life extension for Sam?

>

> I mean without you having to pay VAT and duty. LEf doesn't work on

> Sam, Kirkman doesn't work on me, lots don;t work on me, only LEF and

> Natrol brands, no idea why

>

> Mandi x

>

> JHi

[Guest guest]

Mum231ASD@... wrote:

Not used that before but am willing to give it a try - is it 3mg

strength? Anything else in it? If you're happy to let me have some then

just invoice me via paypal - I've just ordered some CP1!!

Love

> In a message dated 29/06/2006 12:10:29 GMT Daylight Time,

> catherine.devereux@... writes:

>

> Are you likely to stock melatonin at all. I too need some soon and

> will

> also have ot buy it from the U.S on its own. Is Cally best source for

> this do you think?

>

> >>>>I can't sell it because it illegal in the UK. But I did cock up my

> own order and have 3 pots coming in this week so if its Melatonin Plus

> from Kirkman you want we could swap between friends - wink

>

> Mandi x

>

>

[Guest guest]

Melatonin did help me sleep, but the vivid dreams were unbearable - and I am

someone who typically dream a lot anyway!! So I stopped taking it. Magnesium

has helped me in a much nicer way, plus something called Body Calm, which is

tart cherry extract.

[Guest guest]

I stopped taking the melatonin, much relieved. How much magnesium would I have

to take? Is the amount in a typical cal/mag enough? I will look for the Body

Calm. Thanks

Re: Re: melatonin

Melatonin did help me sleep, but the vivid dreams were unbearable - and I am

someone who typically dream a lot anyway!! So I stopped taking it. Magnesium has

helped me in a much nicer way, plus something called Body Calm, which is tart

cherry extract.

[Guest guest]

I take cal-mag and I add one capsule (400 mg. I think) of magnesium about an

hour before bed. Magnesium asportate works better for me than mag-citrate.

The site for Body Calm caps is http://www.globaldnasolutions.com/order_nbd.htm

hth

[Guest guest]

I've had no problems with it. I've been taking 6mg every night before bed

for a couple of months now. It has helped me to sleep better.

Fred / Oregon

On 12/2/06, Tony <tony23@...> wrote:

>

> Does melatonin make anybody else extremely fatigued the next day after

> taking it? I just took .75 mg.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Melatonin makes me weirder on the third day. I have not taken it now about

about ten years.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " Tony " _tony23@... _ (mailto:tony23@...?Subject=

Re:Melatonin) _tonythetiger232001 _

(tonythetiger232001)

Sat Dec 2, 2006 7:10 am (PST)

Does melatonin make anybody else extremely fatigued the next day after

taking it? I just took .75 mg.

[Guest guest]

I've had that happen.

Tony <tony23@...> wrote: Does melatonin make anybody else extremely

fatigued the next day after taking it? I just took .75 mg.

[Guest guest]

Hello Fred in Oregon. Haven't seen you post much. Everyone is

different, but after melatonin working for me for a couple of months,

I started to have some serious side effects of a mental nature.

You may be fine w/ it tho, just be careful if you notice a change

in your behavior, like not caring about anything or worse.

Mike C

>

> I've had no problems with it. I've been taking 6mg every night

before bed

> for a couple of months now. It has helped me to sleep better.

> Fred / Oregon

[Guest guest]

The most important thing about Melatonin for me is that as soon as

you get depressed you need to stop it. Moreover if you take

Melatonin for too long your body will stop producing it. In the

morning it's good to have bright light. This will clear your body of

melatonin. To sum it up I think you can say as long as melatonin

only is used while sleeping it has huge benefits. As soon as the

body can't get rid of it at daytime problems like depression show up.

" The cyclic nature of depressive illness, the diurnal variations in

its symptomatology and the existence of disturbed sleep-wake and

core body temperature rhythms, all suggest that dysfunction of the

circadian time keeping system may underlie the pathophysiology of

depression. As a rhythm-regulating factor, the study of melatonin in

various depressive illnesses has gained attention. Melatonin can be

both a 'state marker' and a 'trait marker' of mood disorders.

Measurement of melatonin either in saliva or plasma, or of its main

metabolite 6-sulfatoxymelatonin in urine, have documented

significant alterations in melatonin secretion in depressive

patients during the acute phase of illness. Not only the levels but

also the timing of melatonin secretion is altered in bipolar

affective disorder and in patients with seasonal affective disorder

(SAD). A phase delay of melatonin secretion takes place in SAD, as

well as changes in the onset, duration and offset of melatonin

secretion. Bright light treatment, that suppresses melatonin

production, is effective in treating bipolar affective disorder and

SAD, winter type. This review discusses the role of melatonin in the

pathophysiology of bipolar disorder and SAD.

PMID: 16861139 [PubMed - in process] "

[Guest guest]

The most important thing about Melatonin for me is that as soon as

you get depressed you need to stop it. Moreover if you take

Melatonin for too long your body will stop producing it. In the

morning it's good to have bright light. This will clear your body of

melatonin. To sum it up I think you can say as long as melatonin

only is used while sleeping it has huge benefits. As soon as the

body can't get rid of it at daytime problems like depression show up.

" The cyclic nature of depressive illness, the diurnal variations in

its symptomatology and the existence of disturbed sleep-wake and

core body temperature rhythms, all suggest that dysfunction of the

circadian time keeping system may underlie the pathophysiology of

depression. As a rhythm-regulating factor, the study of melatonin in

various depressive illnesses has gained attention. Melatonin can be

both a 'state marker' and a 'trait marker' of mood disorders.

Measurement of melatonin either in saliva or plasma, or of its main

metabolite 6-sulfatoxymelatonin in urine, have documented

significant alterations in melatonin secretion in depressive

patients during the acute phase of illness. Not only the levels but

also the timing of melatonin secretion is altered in bipolar

affective disorder and in patients with seasonal affective disorder

(SAD). A phase delay of melatonin secretion takes place in SAD, as

well as changes in the onset, duration and offset of melatonin

secretion. Bright light treatment, that suppresses melatonin

production, is effective in treating bipolar affective disorder and

SAD, winter type. This review discusses the role of melatonin in the

pathophysiology of bipolar disorder and SAD.

PMID: 16861139 [PubMed - in process] "

[Guest guest]

On 12/2/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote:

> Hello Fred in Oregon. Haven't seen you post much.

Hi Mike and Everyone,

No, I don't post too much. I don't have much experience recovering

yet. When I've actually used a chemical that's asked about I'm

willing to share my experience.

Everyone is

> different, but after melatonin working for me for a couple of months,

> I started to have some serious side effects of a mental nature.

> You may be fine w/ it tho, just be careful if you notice a change

> in your behavior, like not caring about anything or worse.

>

I do appreciate the heads up. Thank you. Your message and the

following one (from manuel_hbr) have helped me to understand some

recent emotional swings.

Fred / Oregon

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On 12/2/06, manuel_hbr <einfachzumerken@...> wrote:

> The most important thing about Melatonin for me is that as soon as

> you get depressed you need to stop it. Moreover if you take

> Melatonin for too long your body will stop producing it. In the

> morning it's good to have bright light. This will clear your body of

> melatonin. To sum it up I think you can say as long as melatonin

> only is used while sleeping it has huge benefits. As soon as the

> body can't get rid of it at daytime problems like depression show up.

>

<snip>

I surely didn't know that. This is my first serious attempt at using

melatonin. I read this

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1600-079X.2005.00278.x

and thought it sounded worth trying.

I guess I can add my name to the list of people who have experienced

depression after beginning melatonin. Think I'll give it a rest and

see what happens.

Regards,

Fred / Oregon

[Guest guest]

THis really suggests not enough serotonin.

Try l-Tryptophan + Niacin

and/or

SAM-e + B complex

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

I guess I can add my name to the list of people who have experienced

depression after beginning melatonin. Think I'll give it a rest and

see what happens.

Regards,

Fred / Oregon

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this post. I have been so lethargic lately and can't figure

out why as I feel better physically. Your post reminded me that I am

taking melatonin and have used the SAD light before with good results. I

am going to quit the melatonin and get out my SAD light to see if this

will reverse this fatigue and lethargy.

Gail

manuel_hbr wrote:

>

> The most important thing about Melatonin for me is that as soon as

> you get depressed you need to stop it. Moreover if you take

> Melatonin for too long your body will stop producing it. In the

> morning it's good to have bright light. This will clear your body of

> melatonin. To sum it up I think you can say as long as melatonin

> only is used while sleeping it has huge benefits. As soon as the

> body can't get rid of it at daytime problems like depression show up.

>

> " The cyclic nature of depressive illness, the diurnal variations in

> its symptomatology and the existence of disturbed sleep-wake and

> core body temperature rhythms, all suggest that dysfunction of the

> circadian time keeping system may underlie the pathophysiology of

> depression. As a rhythm-regulating factor, the study of melatonin in

> various depressive illnesses has gained attention. Melatonin can be

> both a 'state marker' and a 'trait marker' of mood disorders.

> Measurement of melatonin either in saliva or plasma, or of its main

> metabolite 6-sulfatoxymelatoni n in urine, have documented

> significant alterations in melatonin secretion in depressive

> patients during the acute phase of illness. Not only the levels but

> also the timing of melatonin secretion is altered in bipolar

> affective disorder and in patients with seasonal affective disorder

> (SAD). A phase delay of melatonin secretion takes place in SAD, as

> well as changes in the onset, duration and offset of melatonin

> secretion. Bright light treatment, that suppresses melatonin

> production, is effective in treating bipolar affective disorder and

> SAD, winter type. This review discusses the role of melatonin in the

> pathophysiology of bipolar disorder and SAD.

>

> PMID: 16861139 [PubMed - in process] "

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been taking Melatonin for years. At first it helped me sleep

but I now I have problems getting off it. I can barely sleep wehen

I'm off it even if I reduce gradually and the sleep is of less good

quality. I had terrible delayed circadium rythm before I took it so

I can't blame myself for getting hooked. This has made me more

determined to try and reduce it at least. I haven't felt depressed

in particular but I notice it makes my periods heavier.

>

> Melatonin can cause depression and it did to me on about 2 mg. per

night.

> Newton told me about this and if it weren't for him, I might

still be

> taking it. I was taking it with an antihistamine. It doesn't

feel like it

> is doing

> anything to you but apparently it messes up your brain chemistry.

?

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

If by " hooked, " you mean addicted, it is not really addiction unless you need

increasing doses to get the same benefit. Diabetics are not hooked on insulin,

they just always need it.

Other than the periods, if it is helping you, why would you want to stop it?

Adrienne

Re: Melatonin

I have been taking Melatonin for years. At first it helped me sleep

but I now I have problems getting off it. I can barely sleep wehen

I'm off it even if I reduce gradually and the sleep is of less good

quality. I had terrible delayed circadium rythm before I took it so

I can't blame myself for getting hooked. This has made me more

determined to try and reduce it at least. I haven't felt depressed

in particular but I notice it makes my periods heavier.

>

> Melatonin can cause depression and it did to me on about 2 mg. per

night.

> Newton told me about this and if it weren't for him, I might

still be

> taking it. I was taking it with an antihistamine. It doesn't

feel like it

> is doing

> anything to you but apparently it messes up your brain chemistry.

?

>

> Mike

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Do you think it was too much-dosage I mean. The time release we used was a 3

mg tab but it was scored so you could quarter it if need be. What dosage did

you give him?

Di

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

melatonin

> Hi,

> A few weeks ago there was a discussion on melatonin on this list.

> Maverick has no problem falling asleep but the he awakens frequently

> during the night. So, after reading that there is a time release version,

> I decided to try that. We gave it to Maverick on Sunday night at 9 pm.

> THANK GOODNESS THERE WAS NO SCHOOL ON MONDAY!! He slept through the

> night, and he slept in in the morning. But he also fell asleep when he

> was outside pulling weeds. He fell asleep on the way to get a haircut.

> He didn't go swimming or play football or anything. Just zombied in front

> of the TV and dozed all day.

> Needless to say, he got no more at bedtime.

> We are trying to figure out how to keep him from falling asleep during the

> day, in class. I was hoping a better sleep at night would be the answer,

> but there is no way we can give him this melatonin and have him go to

> school the next day.

> Has anyone else had similar experiences with this med?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

We did have the same thing and had to go down and try

the time release at a lower dose. Once we found it,

it helped. We did do it over the weekend so it would

not interrupt school. It seems like he may have had

too much. We also give it to about 6:30pm and

he is in bed between 8 & 8:30pm but we leave it up to

him.

Has he had his T & A removed or looked at? THat is what

we initally found was the problem with him waking up.

He would stop breathing and up he was.

I hope this helped.

B

--- " M. FRANK " <michdock@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> A few weeks ago there was a discussion on melatonin

> on this list. Maverick has no problem falling

> asleep but the he awakens frequently during the

> night. So, after reading that there is a time

> release version, I decided to try that. We gave it

> to Maverick on Sunday night at 9 pm.

> THANK GOODNESS THERE WAS NO SCHOOL ON MONDAY!! He

> slept through the night, and he slept in in the

> morning. But he also fell asleep when he was

> outside pulling weeds. He fell asleep on the way to

> get a haircut. He didn't go swimming or play

> football or anything. Just zombied in front of the

> TV and dozed all day.

> Needless to say, he got no more at bedtime.

> We are trying to figure out how to keep him from

> falling asleep during the day, in class. I was

> hoping a better sleep at night would be the answer,

> but there is no way we can give him this melatonin

> and have him go to school the next day.

> Has anyone else had similar experiences with this

> med?

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list.

> Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of

> the message.

>

[Guest guest]

We use 2mg time release. I have not seen it in 1 but

I don't think I have looked for it as 2 seems to do

the trick. We did 3 as that is what was recommended

for his weight but he was ZOMBIE! Once we got the

dose right, he woke up sooo happy.

B

--- Di <drf218@...> wrote:

> Do you think it was too much-dosage I mean. The time

> release we used was a 3

> mg tab but it was scored so you could quarter it if

> need be. What dosage did

> you give him?

>

> Di

>

> An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

>

> melatonin

>

>

> > Hi,

> > A few weeks ago there was a discussion on

> melatonin on this list.

> > Maverick has no problem falling asleep but the he

> awakens frequently

> > during the night. So, after reading that there is

> a time release version,

> > I decided to try that. We gave it to Maverick on

> Sunday night at 9 pm.

> > THANK GOODNESS THERE WAS NO SCHOOL ON MONDAY!!

> He slept through the

> > night, and he slept in in the morning. But he

> also fell asleep when he

> > was outside pulling weeds. He fell asleep on the

> way to get a haircut.

> > He didn't go swimming or play football or

> anything. Just zombied in front

> > of the TV and dozed all day.

> > Needless to say, he got no more at bedtime.

> > We are trying to figure out how to keep him from

> falling asleep during the

> > day, in class. I was hoping a better sleep at

> night would be the answer,

> > but there is no way we can give him this melatonin

> and have him go to

> > school the next day.

> > Has anyone else had similar experiences with this

> med?

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list.

> Just hit reply for

> > messages to go to the sender of the message.

> >

[Guest guest]

We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it at Sprouts here.

We have a referral and I need to make an appt with the ENT.. doing the T & A is

the next step they recommended. I just hate having him put out!!!

[Guest guest]

Although did well with the T & A, I don't think it did much

towards less restless sleeping at night. She wakes up and talks (or

occasionally shouts out a few words), sits up, tosses and turns, etc.

I've considered melatinon (which I'm now rethinking for a vacation time

period, LOL), and I know she has some sleep apnea, but she's not going

to tolerate a CPAP or other apnea-type device (sensory issues), so for

the moment, we just live with restless sleep.

Maybe I'll look for a non-time release? How long to the regular ones

last, does anyone know?

, mom to (11), (9 DS), and Sammy (8)

M. FRANK wrote:

> We used a time release that is 1 mg!!!. I got it at Sprouts here.

> We have a referral and I need to make an appt with the ENT.. doing the

> T & A is the next step they recommended. I just hate having him put out!!!

>

>

>