Re: Can anyone answer this ?

[Guest guest]

Religious beliefs run strong in our DNA from our ancestors.  I

was raised Italian Catholic and there were many rituals we were taught to

believe were essential to get into heaven.

We bury people in graves and visit them.  Why?  Not because they

are still there, but because it brings us comfort & connection to our loved

one.  Other cultures and other eras have different ways of honoring the dead. 

 

15 years ago I was holding my mother’s hand when she

died.  While I was distraught at losing her, my experience at watching her

leave the physical body and then feeling her pass through me with a special

message for me changed forever how I think about death.  She told me she was

free and that it was wonderful.  She visited me many times over the years and

is now a guardian angel for my grandson who was born with a heart defect.  I

can feel her presence when I am visiting him and sometimes she will talk with

me.  But for the most part she’s quite busy with her new ‘afterlife.’ 

It really comes down to what you believe to be true and what

brings you comfort.  If you believe a ritual to be true and it brings you

comfort in dealing with the loss & grief, then it is important for you for

to do it.  If not, then I’d say it is ok to let that ritual go and honor

your mother in the way that fits for you.   And that’s an important part

to remember---rituals are for the people still living, not for the people who

have crossed over. 

I hope this helps bring some clarity and comfort to you.

Bonnie Strehlow

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vasile

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:01 AM

Subject: [] Can anyone answer this ?

Hello dear soul family. I am from

Bucharest-Romania-European Union. My belief is Christian Orthodox. My mother

died this year on the 4th of January. The Cristian Orthodox Church, they say to

give meals to others in the name of the deceased all the time: 1,3,6,9 days, 40

days, 3,6,9,12 months...and 2,3,4,5,6,7 years, and complete clothes at 40 days,

6 months, 12 months.....and 7 years anniversary, counted from the day when the

person died.

Now we know Human Being is made out of at least 2 components: Soul and Physical

Body. Death mean the spirit is living the Physical Body.

But I wonder what would a soul (my mother's soul) would do whit food/clothes/furniture;

even if that soul would have all these, would it be able to use them ? I wonder

why they are needed? I wonder............cause I believe it's just stupid

rituals.

For example, the great saints of humanity mostly lived in caves, isolated by

the rest of the society, and be sure none did after-death rituals for them. So,

why us, are doing and giving so many ??? " love inside you is the only

thing you're taking whit you. " No furniture, clothes, food.

Hope someone will help me to get this aspect clear for myself.

[Guest guest]

Hello My dear Vasile,

This belief is based on the idea of the indulgences, where one can

gather " graces " by selfless acts and give as rewards to others. As a

worker for the holy souls ( my background is Roman catholic, I was

raised catholic). It is a common belief for the classic churches that

all the souls that have transitioned to the other side are in the

community of Saints (some call it Heaven, some Shamballa, others call

them central Sun...), and they receive the benefits of our prayers and

our good actions, if it is done in their name. This would cause them to

have a more purified bodies and increase their possibility of farther

ascension, or in other terms the possibility to be relieved from the

wheel of karma. All those actions, like feeding the poor, clothing the

naked and giving shelter to homeless, they are a part of the

Prescription given by Christ in his Sermon of the Mountain, when he

gave us the eighth blessings that accompanies the 14 acts of mercy.

It is not that your Mother will need those things, she is perfect, and

she has been perfect because she is a child of God. The Churches

" prescribed it as a way to relief the suffering of souls that get

" stuck " between world, where acts of generosity can melt any emotional

and spiritual blockages, as of sensation of guilt and unforgiven

situations that were not solved by the soul while they were here on

earth. It is not something that is bad, specially because no act of

kindness and love is ever wasted. If this 'giving energy " is not going

towards your mother, it will go towards other souls that have no one to

pray or give alms for them or in their names. I myself follow some

prayers and rituals to give peace and relief for as many souls as they

are out there.

If you wish, I will send you some of the prayers (ritualistic ones)

that would help you help them, all the blood line of your ancestors and

other poor souls, but they are (the prayers) efficient only for the

souls that are all still in a stage of duality, once they are out,

there is no need of those works of intercession, since in Gos' house

there are many mansions and many workers that would guide and love them

as we did on earth. And love never dies... remember that.

I hope that helps a little, this is my two cents.

Love and respect to all,

Liane

>

> Hello dear soul family. I am from Bucharest-Romania-European Union. My

belief is Christian Orthodox. My mother died this year on the 4th of

January. The Cristian Orthodox Church, they say to give meals to others

in the name of the deceased all the time: 1,3,6,9 days, 40 days,

3,6,9,12 months...and 2,3,4,5,6,7 years, and complete clothes at 40

days, 6 months, 12 months.....and 7 years anniversary, counted from the

day when the person died.

> Now we know Human Being is made out of at least 2 components: Soul and

Physical Body. Death mean the spirit is living the Physical Body.

> But I wonder what would a soul (my mother's soul) would do whit

food/clothes/furniture; even if that soul would have all these, would it

be able to use them ? I wonder why they are needed? I

wonder............cause I believe it's just stupid rituals.

> For example, the great saints of humanity mostly lived in caves,

isolated by the rest of the society, and be sure none did after-death

rituals for them. So, why us, are doing and giving so many ??? " love

inside you is the only thing you're taking whit you. " No furniture,

clothes, food.

> Hope someone will help me to get this aspect clear for myself.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Vasile, ai un nume frumos inainte de toate, al unui mare sfant..Esti ortodox si vad ca intrebi pe colegii catolici si protestanti si budisti poate.. de ce ortodoxia cere aceste "sacrifii"?Poate ar trebui sa intrebi un preot ortodox ce semnificatie au pomenile date si zilele de pomana si anii in care se da pomana.Din putinele mele cunostinte stiu ca odata ce dai de pomana in numele unei persoane, acea persoana va beneficia de "aurul spiritual" al gestului facut de tine, va avea lumina si putere sa se inalte acolo unde este locul sufletului. Ceea ce nu stiu este ce semnifica diferitele obiecte, mancarea si hainele.Dumnezeu s-o odihneasca pe mama ta! Si pace si liniste si tie.From: Vasile <vasigsir@...> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 7:01:16 PMSubject: [] Can anyone answer this ?

Hello dear soul family. I am from Bucharest-Romania- European Union. My belief is Christian Orthodox. My mother died this year on the 4th of January. The Cristian Orthodox Church, they say to give meals to others in the name of the deceased all the time: 1,3,6,9 days, 40 days, 3,6,9,12 months...and 2,3,4,5,6,7 years, and complete clothes at 40 days, 6 months, 12 months.....and 7 years anniversary, counted from the day when the person died.

Now we know Human Being is made out of at least 2 components: Soul and Physical Body. Death mean the spirit is living the Physical Body.

But I wonder what would a soul (my mother's soul) would do whit food/clothes/ furniture; even if that soul would have all these, would it be able to use them ? I wonder why they are needed? I wonder...... ......cause I believe it's just stupid rituals.

For example, the great saints of humanity mostly lived in caves, isolated by the rest of the society, and be sure none did after-death rituals for them. So, why us, are doing and giving so many ??? "love inside you is the only thing you're taking whit you." No furniture, clothes, food.

Hope someone will help me to get this aspect clear for myself.

[Guest guest]

The food and clothing would be for people not evolved to the point where they can live in caves and be renunciates. It has to do with cause and effect. One does good and good returns to sender, do wrong, and it is similar. It can seem ritualistic because it seems routine, like a circle.Ganesa16

From: Vasile <vasigsir@...>Subject: [] Can anyone answer this ? Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:01 AM

Hello dear soul family. I am from Bucharest-Romania- European Union. My belief is Christian Orthodox. My mother died this year on the 4th of January. The Cristian Orthodox Church, they say to give meals to others in the name of the deceased all the time: 1,3,6,9 days, 40 days, 3,6,9,12 months...and 2,3,4,5,6,7 years, and complete clothes at 40 days, 6 months, 12 months.....and 7 years anniversary, counted from the day when the person died.Now we know Human Being is made out of at least 2 components: Soul and Physical Body. Death mean the spirit is living the Physical Body. But I wonder what would a soul (my mother's soul) would do whit food/clothes/ furniture; even if that soul would have all these, would it be able to use them ? I wonder why they are needed? I wonder...... ......cause I believe it's just stupid rituals.For example, the great saints of humanity mostly lived in caves, isolated by the rest of the society, and be sure none

did after-death rituals for them. So, why us, are doing and giving so many ??? "love inside you is the only thing you're taking whit you." No furniture, clothes, food.Hope someone will help me to get this aspect clear for myself.

[Guest guest]

Multumesc AnaP.From: Ana P <alchimistulmic@...>Subject: Re: [] Can anyone answer this ? Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:40 AM

Hello Vasile, ai un nume frumos inainte de toate, al unui mare sfant..Esti ortodox si vad ca intrebi pe colegii catolici si protestanti si budisti poate.. de ce ortodoxia cere aceste "sacrifii"?Poate ar trebui sa intrebi un preot ortodox ce semnificatie au pomenile date si zilele de pomana si anii in care se da pomana.Din putinele mele cunostinte stiu ca odata ce dai de pomana in numele unei persoane, acea persoana va beneficia de "aurul spiritual" al gestului facut de tine, va avea lumina si putere sa se inalte acolo unde este locul sufletului. Ceea ce nu stiu este ce semnifica diferitele obiecte, mancarea si hainele.Dumnezeu s-o odihneasca pe mama ta! Si pace si liniste si tie.From: Vasile <vasigsir (DOT) com>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 7:01:16 PMSubject: [] Can anyone answer this ?

Hello dear soul family. I am from Bucharest-Romania- European Union. My belief is Christian Orthodox. My mother died this year on the 4th of January. The Cristian Orthodox Church, they say to give meals to others in the name of the deceased all the time: 1,3,6,9 days, 40 days, 3,6,9,12 months...and 2,3,4,5,6,7 years, and complete clothes at 40 days, 6 months, 12 months.....and 7 years anniversary, counted from the day when the person died.

Now we know Human Being is made out of at least 2 components: Soul and Physical Body. Death mean the spirit is living the Physical Body.

But I wonder what would a soul (my mother's soul) would do whit food/clothes/ furniture; even if that soul would have all these, would it be able to use them ? I wonder why they are needed? I wonder...... ......cause I believe it's just stupid rituals.

For example, the great saints of humanity mostly lived in caves, isolated by the rest of the society, and be sure none did after-death rituals for them. So, why us, are doing and giving so many ??? "love inside you is the only thing you're taking whit you." No furniture, clothes, food.

Hope someone will help me to get this aspect clear for myself.