Re: Atrial Fibrillation/ER visit yesterday

[Guest guest]

That must have been scary, but I guess I'm not sure why the assumption is

that the LDN caused the problem. If you don't have other hypErthyroid

symptoms it's not very likely to be an indication that you need to cut back

on your thyroid replacement hormone. Sometimes people just have an episode

like this that never comes back, or sometimes it happens once in a

while. I used to get what I've called " heart palpitations " when I was

really sick with fibro and Hashi's, before LDN and the iodine

protocol. LDN doesn't cause it, to my knowledge. Have you asked your

prescribing doctor, if you have one? Ideally you would get medical

supervision about this.

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At 10:18 AM 3/4/2011, you wrote:

>Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat---it was so weird that I went to

>the ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my LDN. I

>have been on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3 mg---have

>been doing OK with it.

>

>But I also have Hashimoto's (hypothyroid) and Sjogren's. I'm thinking this

>episode might be a spike in active thyroid hormone, but is it related to

>taking LDN? I thought I was beyond the adjustment period---LDN did seem to

>lower my TSH during the first couple of weeks.

>

>Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking

>it, or did you stop for awhile?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Calli

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's very good information, Dr. Skip. Thank you.

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At 12:21 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:

>I would say with very little room for doubt that you issue is the

>thyroid. Now LDN probably caused the " problem " but you should decrease

>your thyroid not d/c the LDN.

>Dr. Skip

>

>In a message dated 3/4/2011 12:55:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>vbaker@... writes:

>

>

>That must have been scary, but I guess I'm not sure why the assumption is

>that the LDN caused the problem. If you don't have other hypErthyroid

>symptoms it's not very likely to be an indication that you need to cut back

>on your thyroid replacement hormone. Sometimes people just have an episode

>like this that never comes back, or sometimes it happens once in a

>while. I used to get what I've called " heart palpitations " when I was

>really sick with fibro and Hashi's, before LDN and the iodine

>protocol. LDN doesn't cause it, to my knowledge. Have you asked your

>prescribing doctor, if you have one? Ideally you would get medical

>supervision about this.

>

>--

>

>At 10:18 AM 3/4/2011, you wrote:

> >Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat---it was so weird that I went to

> >the ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my LDN. I

> >have been on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3 mg---have

> >been doing OK with it.

> >

> >But I also have Hashimoto's (hypothyroid) and Sjogren's. I'm thinking this

> >episode might be a spike in active thyroid hormone, but is it related to

> >taking LDN? I thought I was beyond the adjustment period---LDN did seem to

> >lower my TSH during the first couple of weeks.

> >

> >Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking

> >it, or did you stop for awhile?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Calli

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >

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Posted by: " callimico66 " callimico66@... callimico66

Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:19 am (PST)

" Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat--- it was so weird that I went to the

ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my LDN. I have been

on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3 mg---have been doing OK with

it.

Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking it, or

did you stop for awhile? "

How ironic to see this post this morning - I had a terrible tachycardia even

myself just last night! As I've written here before, last year I developed

Serotonin Syndrome, which causes terrifying episodes of rapid heartbeat, high BP

(sometimes), and hypothermia. Solved that problem by adjusting

meds/supplements/diet, hadn't had a problem since the beginning of this year.

But...

.....I started on 3 mg LDN Feb 7, and slowly noticed that my pulse would rise

above 90 after almost every evening meal, typically the only significantly sized

meal of the day for me. Yesterday afternoon after a great therapy session using

an " Ondamed " biofeedback machine at my doctor's office I was starving, stopped

on the way home and had two slices of pepperoni pizza, an occasional treat, at

4:00 pm. During the treatment session the therapist detected adrenal stress,

amongst other things.

I got home around 5:00 pm and took my late afternoon supplements (B-complex,

Activator Plus, Pure Synergy), and 10 minutes later started feeling awful,

vision was blurry, brain stopped functioning, I felt confused, and it felt like

my heart was going to burst out of my chest - checked my pulse by hand and it

was very rapid, so I sat on the couch and put on my BP cuff. It's automatic,

takes 3 readings and averages them, my BP was 133/83 (not *too* bad), but my

pulse was 115!

I went back to my home office, hopped on the PC, and starting researching, turns

out adrenal fatigue + hormonal imbalances + infrequent eating = hypoglycemia, a

major cause of CFS too. I won't go into all of the chemistry and body responses

that got me from point A to point B, but in the end I had to take an Atenol pill

to get my pulse down to 80, never recovered my feelings of relative well being

before the attack, ended up going to bed at 9:30 pm I was so exhausted (usually

go to bed between 11:00 -12:00 pm).

To add to the irony, last Tuesday during acupuncture I told her that since

starting LDN it seemed like my pulse shot up after every meal, my energy levels

were WORSE, not better (everyone has been picking up signs of increased adrenal

fatigue), and wondered what was going on - in particular, I thought maybe the

release of bile was somehow releasing toxins of some kind into my body (I had

Lyme, still have heavy metal issues).

But now I know what's been going on, my 3-4 year diet of a morning

protein/greens powdered meal replacement shake plus other dietary supplements

during the day, which is sugar/carb free and low in calories, plus the one big

meal in the evening of " real " food is causing insulin shock now, which

aggravates my adrenal fatigue and CFS. I've occasionally suffered from this

problem in the past, but the LDN is making it much, much worse, although I'm not

sure yet exactly why, still need to do some more research on that (anyone who

knows feel free to chime in!)

So the answer to your question, Calli, is an emphatic YES, at least from where

I'm sitting - LDN is definitely increasing my hypoglycemia events - in the short

term, I'm going to adjust my diet and try to " graze " during the day to keep my

blood sugar/insulin levels more constant, and HOPE that my body will eventually

adjust to whatever the LDN is doing to it. I took a 3 day break last weekend to

switchover to morning doses because of terrible sleep problems, just restarted

on Tuesday, and I'm still going through the " I just started LDN and it's killing

me " phase.

[Guest guest]

Interesting to read both of your stories. I also have hypoglcemia and have not noticed those effects just getting really really tired sometimes on LDN. I do have SVT which are fast heartbeats and I have not had any while on LDN - so glad. But I still have trouble sleeping at night also so I just switched to daytime today also. 3 mg. I finally slept last night all night through for the first time. Hope it will help with my

symptoms ----fibro, connective tissue disease, raynuads, and sjogrens.....Thanks for the info.Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat--- it was so weird that I went to the ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my LDN. I have been on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3 mg---have been doing OK with it.Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking it, or did you stop for awhile?"How ironic to see this post this morning - I had a terrible tachycardia even myself just last night! As I've written here before, last year I developed Serotonin Syndrome, which causes terrifying episodes of rapid heartbeat, high BP (sometimes), and hypothermia. Solved

that problem by adjusting meds/supplements/diet, hadn't had a problem since the beginning of this year. But.......I started on 3 mg LDN Feb 7, and slowly noticed that my pulse would rise above 90 after almost every evening meal, typically the only significantly sized meal of the day for me. Yesterday afternoon after a great therapy session using an "Ondamed" biofeedback machine at my doctor's office I was starving, stopped on the way home and had two slices of pepperoni pizza, an occasional treat, at 4:00 pm. During the treatment session the therapist detected adrenal stress, amongst other things. I got home around 5:00 pm and took my late afternoon supplements (B-complex, Activator Plus, Pure Synergy), and 10 minutes later started feeling awful, vision was blurry, brain stopped functioning, I felt confused, and it

felt like my heart was going to burst out of my chest - checked my pulse by hand and it was very rapid, so I sat on the couch and put on my BP cuff. It's automatic, takes 3 readings and averages them, my BP was 133/83 (not *too* bad), but my pulse was 115!I went back to my home office, hopped on the PC, and starting researching, turns out adrenal fatigue + hormonal imbalances + infrequent eating = hypoglycemia, a major cause of CFS too. I won't go into all of the chemistry and body responses that got me from point A to point B, but in the end I had to take an Atenol pill to get my pulse down to 80, never recovered my feelings of relative well being before the attack, ended up going to bed at 9:30 pm I was so exhausted (usually go to bed between 11:00 -12:00 pm).To add to the irony, last Tuesday during acupuncture I told

her that since starting LDN it seemed like my pulse shot up after every meal, my energy levels were WORSE, not better (everyone has been picking up signs of increased adrenal fatigue), and wondered what was going on - in particular, I thought maybe the release of bile was somehow releasing toxins of some kind into my body (I had Lyme, still have heavy metal issues). But now I know what's been going on, my 3-4 year diet of a morning protein/greens powdered meal replacement shake plus other dietary supplements during the day, which is sugar/carb free and low in calories, plus the one big meal in the evening of "real" food is causing insulin shock now, which aggravates my adrenal fatigue and CFS. I've occasionally suffered from this problem in the past, but the LDN is making it much, much worse, although I'm not sure yet exactly why, still need to do some more research on that (anyone

who knows feel free to chime in!)So the answer to your question, Calli, is an emphatic YES, at least from where I'm sitting - LDN is definitely increasing my hypoglycemia events - in the short term, I'm going to adjust my diet and try to "graze" during the day to keep my blood sugar/insulin levels more constant, and HOPE that my body will eventually adjust to whatever the LDN is doing to it. I took a 3 day break last weekend to switchover to morning doses because of terrible sleep problems, just restarted on Tuesday, and I'm still going through the "I just started LDN and it's killing me" phase.From: astro nut <ex_hacker202@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 12:07:26 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Atrial Fibrillation/ER visit yesterday

Posted by: "callimico66" callimico66@... callimico66

Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:19 am (PST)

"Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat--- it was so weird that I went to the ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my LDN. I have been on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3 mg---have been doing OK with it.

Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking it, or did you stop for awhile?"

How ironic to see this post this morning - I had a terrible tachycardia even myself just last night! As I've written here before, last year I developed Serotonin Syndrome, which causes terrifying episodes of rapid heartbeat, high BP (sometimes), and hypothermia. Solved that problem by adjusting meds/supplements/diet, hadn't had a problem since the beginning of this year. But...

.....I started on 3 mg LDN Feb 7, and slowly noticed that my pulse would rise above 90 after almost every evening meal, typically the only significantly sized meal of the day for me. Yesterday afternoon after a great therapy session using an "Ondamed" biofeedback machine at my doctor's office I was starving, stopped on the way home and had two slices of pepperoni pizza, an occasional treat, at 4:00 pm. During the treatment session the therapist detected adrenal stress, amongst other things.

I got home around 5:00 pm and took my late afternoon supplements (B-complex, Activator Plus, Pure Synergy), and 10 minutes later started feeling awful, vision was blurry, brain stopped functioning, I felt confused, and it felt like my heart was going to burst out of my chest - checked my pulse by hand and it was very rapid, so I sat on the couch and put on my BP cuff. It's automatic, takes 3 readings and averages them, my BP was 133/83 (not *too* bad), but my pulse was 115!

I went back to my home office, hopped on the PC, and starting researching, turns out adrenal fatigue + hormonal imbalances + infrequent eating = hypoglycemia, a major cause of CFS too. I won't go into all of the chemistry and body responses that got me from point A to point B, but in the end I had to take an Atenol pill to get my pulse down to 80, never recovered my feelings of relative well being before the attack, ended up going to bed at 9:30 pm I was so exhausted (usually go to bed between 11:00 -12:00 pm).

To add to the irony, last Tuesday during acupuncture I told her that since starting LDN it seemed like my pulse shot up after every meal, my energy levels were WORSE, not better (everyone has been picking up signs of increased adrenal fatigue), and wondered what was going on - in particular, I thought maybe the release of bile was somehow releasing toxins of some kind into my body (I had Lyme, still have heavy metal issues).

But now I know what's been going on, my 3-4 year diet of a morning protein/greens powdered meal replacement shake plus other dietary supplements during the day, which is sugar/carb free and low in calories, plus the one big meal in the evening of "real" food is causing insulin shock now, which aggravates my adrenal fatigue and CFS. I've occasionally suffered from this problem in the past, but the LDN is making it much, much worse, although I'm not sure yet exactly why, still need to do some more research on that (anyone who knows feel free to chime in!)

So the answer to your question, Calli, is an emphatic YES, at least from where I'm sitting - LDN is definitely increasing my hypoglycemia events - in the short term, I'm going to adjust my diet and try to "graze" during the day to keep my blood sugar/insulin levels more constant, and HOPE that my body will eventually adjust to whatever the LDN is doing to it. I took a 3 day break last weekend to switchover to morning doses because of terrible sleep problems, just restarted on Tuesday, and I'm still going through the "I just started LDN and it's killing me" phase.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your take on this. I've decided to stop the LDN until I get my

confidence back about whether this A-fib is going to be a problem.

Like you, I have been taking different supplements, and now I don't know if it's

those, thyroid, or something else.

You mentioned that your heart rate responded to eating/ or not eating---I was

just noticing that today. I was doing Ok until I had a muffin and hot chocolate

at lunch time---then my heart started to thud heavily and I was afraid it would

start A-Fib. Touchy. Some chemical or electrical imbalance going on.

I don't want to stop LDN---it has actually changed my dry eyes for the

better---even have more tears now. I still have that side effect after I take

it---while lying in bed---of anxiety/weird mental stuff. I just don't want to

deal with that right now, so I'm stopping for awhile.

Calli

>

> Posted by: " callimico66 " callimico66@... callimico66

> Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:19 am (PST)

>

> " Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat--- it was so weird that I went to

the ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my LDN. I have

been on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3 mg---have been doing OK

with it.

>

> Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking it, or

did you stop for awhile? "

>

> How ironic to see this post this morning - I had a terrible tachycardia even

myself just last night!

>

> ....I started on 3 mg LDN Feb 7, and slowly noticed that my pulse would rise

above 90 after almost every evening meal, typically the only significantly sized

meal of the day for me.

> I got home around 5:00 pm and took my late afternoon supplements (B-complex,

Activator Plus, Pure Synergy), and 10 minutes later started feeling awful,

vision was blurry, brain stopped functioning, I felt confused, and it felt like

my heart was going to burst out of my chest - checked my pulse by hand and it

was very rapid, so I sat on the couch and put on my BP cuff.

turns out adrenal fatigue + hormonal imbalances + infrequent eating =

hypoglycemia, a major cause of CFS too. I won't go into all of the chemistry and

body responses that got me from point A to point B, but in the end I had to take

an Atenol pill to get my pulse down to 80,

since starting LDN it seemed like my pulse shot up after every meal, my energy

levels were WORSE, not better (everyone has been picking up signs of increased

adrenal fatigue)

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----fibro, , raynuads are thyroid

problems

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Just want to mention that not everyone finds their hypoglycemia to be

worsened on LDN. Mine is better. And I remember a man telling about his

diabetic wife on LDN whose blood sugar improved immediately.

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At 10:29 PM 3/5/2011, you wrote:

>Thanks for your take on this. I've decided to stop the LDN until I get my

>confidence back about whether this A-fib is going to be a problem.

>

>Like you, I have been taking different supplements, and now I don't know

>if it's those, thyroid, or something else.

>

>You mentioned that your heart rate responded to eating/ or not eating---I

>was just noticing that today. I was doing Ok until I had a muffin and hot

>chocolate at lunch time---then my heart started to thud heavily and I was

>afraid it would start A-Fib. Touchy. Some chemical or electrical imbalance

>going on.

>

>I don't want to stop LDN---it has actually changed my dry eyes for the

>better---even have more tears now. I still have that side effect after I

>take it---while lying in bed---of anxiety/weird mental stuff. I just don't

>want to deal with that right now, so I'm stopping for awhile.

>

>Calli

>

>

>

> >

> > Posted by: " callimico66 " callimico66@... callimico66

> > Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:19 am (PST)

> >

> > " Woke up with irregular and fast heartbeat--- it was so weird that I

> went to the ER. It resolved after 4 hours, but now I am afraid to take my

> LDN. I have been on it since Xmas 2010, and gradually increased to 3

> mg---have been doing OK with it.

> >

> > Anybody else experience A-Fib while taking LDN? Did you continue taking

> it, or did you stop for awhile? "

> >

> > How ironic to see this post this morning - I had a terrible tachycardia

> even myself just last night!

> >

> > ....I started on 3 mg LDN Feb 7, and slowly noticed that my pulse would

> rise above 90 after almost every evening meal, typically the only

> significantly sized meal of the day for me.

>

> > I got home around 5:00 pm and took my late afternoon supplements

> (B-complex, Activator Plus, Pure Synergy), and 10 minutes later started

> feeling awful, vision was blurry, brain stopped functioning, I felt

> confused, and it felt like my heart was going to burst out of my chest -

> checked my pulse by hand and it was very rapid, so I sat on the couch and

> put on my BP cuff.

>

>turns out adrenal fatigue + hormonal imbalances + infrequent eating =

>hypoglycemia, a major cause of CFS too. I won't go into all of the

>chemistry and body responses that got me from point A to point B, but in

>the end I had to take an Atenol pill to get my pulse down to 80,

>

>since starting LDN it seemed like my pulse shot up after every meal, my

>energy levels were WORSE, not better (everyone has been picking up signs

>of increased adrenal fatigue)

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

good to know--thanks

C

>

> Just want to mention that not everyone finds their hypoglycemia to be

> worsened on LDN. Mine is better. And I remember a man telling about his

> diabetic wife on LDN whose blood sugar improved immediately.

>

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