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Hey Deb, Glad to meet you. I am from Kansas. Sounds like you been having a bit of a rough time. Sorry to hear that. Glad you found this group. We are all a bunch of great friends here. We have a lot of information too. Don and Pam and a bunch of the others always have info for everyone. Don't ever feel alone especially now. You got us. Someone is usually always on. We got us a few hippies and wild ones here too. I was a motorcycle riding hot air ballooning daredevil till my arthritis or whatever this pain is got the best of me. I rode my own. I am waiting on starting treatment for a new drug. My doc thinks I have the time to wait. I am hoping I can manage working on tx. I am a medication aide. I can't afford mistakes. hm. Anyway. I am looking forward to beating this dragon. I am glad to meet you and kick your shoes off and stay awhile. Toke one for me.

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From: debra_zuckerwise <debra_zuckerwise@...>Subject: [ ] Newbie Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:58 AM

Hi friends in fellowship,A friend whom I do not hear from very much sent me an email telling me about this group, how good it is; and he suggested I join. So here I am. A hepatitis babe with a small liver belly but pains all over. I was diagnosed in 1995. Tried Interferon but was allergic to it. More like I couldn't fathom it. Flu-like symptoms everyday, and here's the real kicker: suicidal thoughts and ideations. Once the doctors heard that, they took me off.So I just take good care of myself. I do not eat fried foods or drink alcohol. That's a killer--the alcohol. Only vice is a happy vice and that is Medical Marijuana (I live in California). (Oh Deb, you know you have more.)My hepatologist tells me I'll live forever and that my liver enzymes are so low. Great news to hear. And here I think I'm dying a slow agonizing death. Me and Woody : Love, sex, and death Both from NYC. I moved to CA.Thanks for reading. My

email is DebraZ949aol (DOT) com if anyone needs to talk person to person. I do care, and I'm a loving hippie. I look forward to reading your posts.Love,Deb Z.

[Guest guest]

Welcome, welcome DebbieYou seem to have a refreshing and wonderful attitude on life!! I love it!!I just completed my 2nd treatment this past January and I know now all about the suicidal thoughts etc. Didn't have any of those on my 1st treatment. However, I fully knew immediately when I realized they were coming on - to go to my GP and get my anti-depressants raised. Then, I had break through again around the 9th month point and again, had the anti-d's increased.Gee, you just helped me realize something major!! I also believe in the use of Medical Marijuana, which is also legal in British Columbia here. However, I was always holding off until I actually had some pain. WOW now I just remembered, besides the pain of my fibromyalgia that

seems to be under control right now - I am facing a painful surgery on the 6th of April. Wonder if I could get approval that quickly?? Then, it would also help me to do away with these damn anti-depressants. Going to check for sure.Gloria

Hi friends in fellowship,

A friend whom I do not hear from very much sent me an email telling me about this group, how good it is; and he suggested I join. So here I am. A hepatitis babe with a small liver belly but pains all over. I was diagnosed in 1995. Tried Interferon but was allergic to it. More like I couldn't fathom it. Flu-like symptoms everyday, and here's the real kicker: suicidal thoughts and ideations. Once the doctors heard that, they took me off.

So I just take good care of myself. I do not eat fried foods or drink alcohol. That's a killer--the alcohol. Only vice is a happy vice and that is Medical Marijuana (I live in California). (Oh Deb, you know you have more.)

My hepatologist tells me I'll live forever and that my liver enzymes are so low. Great news to hear. And here I think I'm dying a slow agonizing death. Me and Woody : Love, sex, and death Both from NYC. I moved to CA.

Thanks for reading. My email is DebraZ949aol (DOT) com if anyone needs to talk person to person. I do care, and I'm a loving hippie. I look forward to reading your posts.

Love,

Deb Z.

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Jeezel Peezel........as my Mom used to say. I guess I'm gonna have to move to California so I can smoke pot while I'm on TX. 'Cause when I started smoking pot here in Florida I got all guilty feeling and my doctor didn't go along with it anyway..RandyO

[Guest guest]

Well - up here on the west coast of Canada is even easier not to feel the least amount of guilt either!!! Geez we grow the stuff everywhere and it's probably still the largest export product that British Columbia has LOL

Jeezel Peezel...... ..as my Mom used to say. I guess I'm gonna have to move to California so I can smoke pot while I'm on TX. 'Cause when I started smoking pot here in Florida I got all guilty feeling and my doctor didn't go along with it anyway..RandyO

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make sure you are seeing a lyme literate doctor and no you are not alone.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mypugzrfun <mypugzrfun@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I am new to this group. I was diagnosed with Lyme's last November. I

> have had a relapse 2 weeks ago. I never experienced so much pain and

> I've had 3 children. Somebody please, tell me I'm not alone. What can I

> do to prevent another relapse?

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 8/27/2010 12:04 PM, Becky wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I was just recently (this week) diagnosed with hypothyroidism. My TSH

> level was 5.25. My Internist put me on Levothyroxine 50 mcg....

>

That is pretty conservative. My son was prescribed 75 mcg for a TSH of

4.8 and he had a heart condition. I was given the same starting dose

with a TSH of 8.

The recommended level for the conservative approach is six weeks. I

suggest you try to get the testing done earlier than two months. Much

earlier. You won't feel well until your dosage is near a full

replacement level, for a few people not even then.

After they titrate to the TSH, if you still have symptoms, then request

all the other tests.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

It really upsets me that the medical profession insists on treating with

levothyroxine only, for which the patient has to wait up to two months (still

feeling sick) to see if the medication TOOK. If it didn't, then the patient has

to beg for other testing, (still feeling sick) and by that time extremely upset

and vulnerable.

 

It's no skin off the doctor's nose how long it takes for the patient to feel

better on that medication or not at all. Some refuse other tests and other

modalities, all the while a patient is being kept ill.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was just recently (this week) diagnosed with hypothyroidism. My TSH

> level was 5.25. My Internist put me on Levothyroxine 50 mcg....

>

That is pretty conservative. My son was prescribed 75 mcg for a TSH of

4.8 and he had a heart condition.  I was given the same starting dose

with a TSH of 8.

The recommended level for the conservative approach is six weeks. I

suggest you try to get the testing done earlier than two months. Much

earlier. You won't feel well until your dosage is near a full

replacement level, for a few people not even then.

After they titrate to the TSH, if you still have symptoms, then request

all the other tests.

Chuck

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Most people [probably way over 90%] take one simple pill per day and

live perfectly normal lives. TSH is the allopathic standard for testing

for hypothyroidism.

Some small percentage of hypo patients do not do will with standard

treatment. As a matter of fact some of them go through a living h*ll

trying to get effective treatment. A larger percentage of members of

groups like this are from the latter group, as those who do well often

do not follow up in researching sites such as this. So we hear a lot of

heart-rending stories and try to suggest whatever help we can. The

tribulations of some will flat make a grown man cry...

Your treatment so far sounds normal. After a month or so on the 50 mcg

of T4 you will have further blood work and probably will have your

dosage raised, as 50 mcg is typically not enough if your thyroid has

completely shut down. This may happen a few times before you get to

your final dose.

OTOH if you have an autoimmune condition called Hashimoto's it can be

more complex. Your doctor can check your antibodies to see if you have

that. In Hashimoto's your body attacks your thyroid gland and almost

certainly will eventually fully destroy it. There is no cure, no way to

really even slow it down. In addition it may wax and wan from time to

time which can cause your thyroxine output to vary. That in turn can

cause your need for T4 to vary all over the place, and keeping your dose

in the proper range can be very difficult.

We have/had one member [] who is a doctor or nurse practitioner

IIRC but she hasn't posted in a while. AFAIK there are no other doctors

here. Chuck is a scientist and he as well as other members of his

family have hypothyroidism. He is the " go to " person for accurate

information WRT science and the chemistry of hypo treatment.

Roni has a wealth of experience in the difficult treatment scenario,

unfortunately most of it personal. She knows a lot more about test

results and RT3 than probably anyone except Chuck, at least among the

regular posters.

I have no credentials whatsoever, although I have a decent background

knowledge in science; at least on the lay level. I'm also fairly

experienced in evaluating quack claims and other bs. My approach is

mostly allopathic rather than alternative; and my " world view " will be

presented from that viewpoint in my posts.

Best,

..

..

> Posted by: " Becky " becky6327@...

> <mailto:becky6327@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> becky6327

> <becky6327>

>

>

> Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:29 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was just recently (this week) diagnosed with hypothyroidism. My TSH

> level was 5.25. My Internist put me on Levothyroxine 50 mcg. She wants

> me to come back in 2 months for another TSH test; I'm thinking I

> should probably ask her to test my T3/T4? I am also a vegetarian (for

> the last 7 mths and most of my protein comes from soy products--oh

> no!). I am hoping to gain a lot of information from this

> group--already it seems quite a few people are very knowledgeable-

> -doctors? There are a few acronyms I am unfamiliar with...

>

> Becky

[Guest guest]

I would like to add that some people like myself have HypoT but my blood tests

have never reflected that I suffer from HypoT. The only way to diagnose my type

is through basal temperature and symptoms. It is very difficult to find someone

that will diagnose much less treat me with thyroid medicine. I wanted to bring

this up to hear what was thought and to add this to ' summary.

Tami

>

> Most people [probably way over 90%] take one simple pill per day and

> live perfectly normal lives. TSH is the allopathic standard for testing

> for hypothyroidism.

>

> Some small percentage of hypo patients do not do will with standard

> treatment. As a matter of fact some of them go through a living h*ll

> trying to get effective treatment. A larger percentage of members of

> groups like this are from the latter group, as those who do well often

> do not follow up in researching sites such as this. So we hear a lot of

> heart-rending stories and try to suggest whatever help we can. The

> tribulations of some will flat make a grown man cry...

>

> Your treatment so far sounds normal. After a month or so on the 50 mcg

> of T4 you will have further blood work and probably will have your

> dosage raised, as 50 mcg is typically not enough if your thyroid has

> completely shut down. This may happen a few times before you get to

> your final dose.

>

> OTOH if you have an autoimmune condition called Hashimoto's it can be

> more complex. Your doctor can check your antibodies to see if you have

> that. In Hashimoto's your body attacks your thyroid gland and almost

> certainly will eventually fully destroy it. There is no cure, no way to

> really even slow it down. In addition it may wax and wan from time to

> time which can cause your thyroxine output to vary. That in turn can

> cause your need for T4 to vary all over the place, and keeping your dose

> in the proper range can be very difficult.

>

> We have/had one member [] who is a doctor or nurse practitioner

> IIRC but she hasn't posted in a while. AFAIK there are no other doctors

> here. Chuck is a scientist and he as well as other members of his

> family have hypothyroidism. He is the " go to " person for accurate

> information WRT science and the chemistry of hypo treatment.

>

> Roni has a wealth of experience in the difficult treatment scenario,

> unfortunately most of it personal. She knows a lot more about test

> results and RT3 than probably anyone except Chuck, at least among the

> regular posters.

>

> I have no credentials whatsoever, although I have a decent background

> knowledge in science; at least on the lay level. I'm also fairly

> experienced in evaluating quack claims and other bs. My approach is

> mostly allopathic rather than alternative; and my " world view " will be

> presented from that viewpoint in my posts.

>

> Best,

>

> .

> .

>

>

> > Posted by: " Becky " becky6327@...

> > <mailto:becky6327@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> becky6327

> > <becky6327>

> >

> >

> > Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:29 am (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I was just recently (this week) diagnosed with hypothyroidism. My TSH

> > level was 5.25. My Internist put me on Levothyroxine 50 mcg. She wants

> > me to come back in 2 months for another TSH test; I'm thinking I

> > should probably ask her to test my T3/T4? I am also a vegetarian (for

> > the last 7 mths and most of my protein comes from soy products--oh

> > no!). I am hoping to gain a lot of information from this

> > group--already it seems quite a few people are very knowledgeable-

> > -doctors? There are a few acronyms I am unfamiliar with...

> >

> > Becky

>

[Guest guest]

On 9/1/2010 10:29 AM, Tami wrote:

>

> I would like to add that some people like myself have HypoT but my

> blood tests have never reflected that I suffer from HypoT. The only

> way to diagnose my type is through basal temperature and symptoms. It

> is very difficult to find someone that will diagnose much less treat

> me with thyroid medicine. I wanted to bring this up to hear what was

> thought and to add this to ' summary.

>

Tami, if by blood tests, you mean TSH, then it quite possible for the

tests to be " in range " and yet you are hypoT. However, if your FT3 is at

the upper end of the reference range, it is unlikely that taking any

thyroid medication will help, and could actually be dangerous. It is

true that most doctors tend to rely exclusively on tests for TSH or

Total T4, although some will add those tests for binding we mentioned

yesterday. You might shop for a new doctor on the basis of which blood

tests they are comfortable with. Part of the problem is that HMOs may

pay less to doctors who use too many or what they consider less

meaningful tests. Hint: FT3 is more expensive than other tests on the

usual thyroid panel.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every type of

thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue. My temperatures

have been as low as 96.1. My doctor has been treating me with Synthetic T3 & T4

and I asked that she switch me to Armour for a more full spectrum medication. I

am now at 45mg of Armour and feel amazing.

Tami

> >

> > I would like to add that some people like myself have HypoT but my

> > blood tests have never reflected that I suffer from HypoT. The only

> > way to diagnose my type is through basal temperature and symptoms. It

> > is very difficult to find someone that will diagnose much less treat

> > me with thyroid medicine. I wanted to bring this up to hear what was

> > thought and to add this to ' summary.

> >

> Tami, if by blood tests, you mean TSH, then it quite possible for the

> tests to be " in range " and yet you are hypoT. However, if your FT3 is at

> the upper end of the reference range, it is unlikely that taking any

> thyroid medication will help, and could actually be dangerous. It is

> true that most doctors tend to rely exclusively on tests for TSH or

> Total T4, although some will add those tests for binding we mentioned

> yesterday. You might shop for a new doctor on the basis of which blood

> tests they are comfortable with. Part of the problem is that HMOs may

> pay less to doctors who use too many or what they consider less

> meaningful tests. Hint: FT3 is more expensive than other tests on the

> usual thyroid panel.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Have you had Free T3, FreeT4, Reverse T3 and TSH tests? What were your results

and also what were the ranges from the lab?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Tami <tamijmoore@...>

Subject: Re:Newbie

hypothyroidism

Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:16 PM

All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every type of

thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.  My temperatures

have been as low as 96.1.  My doctor has been treating me with Synthetic T3 & T4

and I asked that she switch me to Armour for a more full spectrum medication.  I

am now at 45mg of Armour and feel amazing.

Tami

> >

> > I would like to add that some people like myself have HypoT but my

> > blood tests have never reflected that I suffer from HypoT. The only

> > way to diagnose my type is through basal temperature and symptoms. It

> > is very difficult to find someone that will diagnose much less treat

> > me with thyroid medicine. I wanted to bring this up to hear what was

> > thought and to add this to ' summary.

> >

> Tami, if by blood tests, you mean TSH, then it quite possible for the

> tests to be " in range " and yet you are hypoT. However, if your FT3 is at

> the upper end of the reference range, it is unlikely that taking any

> thyroid medication will help, and could actually be dangerous. It is

> true that most doctors tend to rely exclusively on tests for TSH or

> Total T4, although some will add those tests for binding we mentioned

> yesterday. You might shop for a new doctor on the basis of which blood

> tests they are comfortable with. Part of the problem is that HMOs may

> pay less to doctors who use too many or what they consider less

> meaningful tests. Hint: FT3 is more expensive than other tests on the

> usual thyroid panel.

>

> Chuck

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

On 9/4/2010 2:16 PM, Tami wrote:

>

> All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

>

That seems unlikely, considering just how many different tests are out

there. Which specific tests did you get? Please include reference ranges

with explicit results. Just because a test is within the reference range

does not mean your level is " normal. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I've taken the TSH, Free T4, FreeT3, reverse T3, thyro globulin antibody,

Cortisol rhythm, TPO I've taken them every 5 weeks for the last 3 months and

they are normal and it isn't impossible you just don't know about this type of

HypoT. To prove this type you would need my temperature ranges.

Suggest reading Hypothyroidisim Type 2 by Mark Starr, M.D. which gives a good

history, why it isn't being diagnosed and how to diagnose. His website is:

www.21centurymed.com

You can find additional information on my new blog. www.thyroidblog.com which i

started because doctors are ignoring all the symptoms including reduced

temperature and only relying on blood tests. I want to spread the word against

all the nay-sayers and give some relief for people.

My doctor started me on a very low thyroid (and adrenal) protocol and has

gradually increased me. We hit my threshold last week and I'll tell you that I

know what it feels like to have too much thyroid medicine...awful! Now that I'm

back and taking 45mg I feel wonderful. I haven't felt like this...maybe ever.

I can actually work again! And, really isn't that proof that I feel good with

the medication that I've got HypoT?

Tami

> >

> > All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> > type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

> >

>

> That seems unlikely, considering just how many different tests are out

> there. Which specific tests did you get? Please include reference ranges

> with explicit results. Just because a test is within the reference range

> does not mean your level is " normal. "

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Excuse me my blog is:

www.hypothyroidblog.com

Tami

> > >

> > > All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> > > type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

> > >

> >

> > That seems unlikely, considering just how many different tests are out

> > there. Which specific tests did you get? Please include reference ranges

> > with explicit results. Just because a test is within the reference range

> > does not mean your level is " normal. "

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you could post your own results for these tests, and the ranges from the lab

for each one someone could help you to interpret the " normalcy " of them.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Tami <tamijmoore@...>

Subject: Re:Newbie

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 8:59 AM

I've taken the TSH, Free T4, FreeT3, reverse T3, thyro globulin antibody,

Cortisol rhythm, TPO I've taken them every 5 weeks for the last 3 months and

they are normal and it isn't impossible you just don't know about this type of

HypoT.  To prove this type you would need my temperature ranges.

Suggest reading Hypothyroidisim Type 2 by Mark Starr, M.D. which gives a good

history, why it isn't being diagnosed and how to diagnose.  His website is: 

www.21centurymed.com

You can find additional information on my new blog.  www.thyroidblog.com which i

started because doctors are ignoring all the symptoms including reduced

temperature and only relying on blood tests.  I want to spread the word against

all the nay-sayers and give some relief for people.

My doctor started me on a very low thyroid (and adrenal) protocol and has

gradually increased me.  We hit my threshold last week and I'll tell you that I

know what it feels like to have too much thyroid medicine...awful!  Now that I'm

back and taking 45mg I feel wonderful.  I haven't felt like this...maybe ever. 

I can actually work again!  And, really isn't that proof that I feel good with

the medication that I've got HypoT?

Tami

> >

> > All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> > type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

> >

>

> That seems unlikely, considering just how many different tests are out

> there. Which specific tests did you get? Please include reference ranges

> with explicit results. Just because a test is within the reference range

> does not mean your level is " normal. "

>

> Chuck

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you're doing well with Armour. Quite a few people have

reported doing better with it, especially when compared to T4 alone.

HOWEVER: AFAIK none of the controlled tests have been able to show

improved results from taking Armour as opposed to taking T4 alone. That

to me seems a little strange given that there are sometimes [i think]

T4/T3 conversion problems or binding problems that could cause T4 alone

to not work so well.

As for Armour being " ...a more full spectrum medication... " as oppose to

the same quantity of synthetic T4 and T3 I don't see how you arrive at

that. T4 and T3 are the active ingredients in Armour and you can get

synthetic medications with T4 and T3 in them. And all of the T4/T3

components of medications are bioidentical regardless of the source.

The " natural " and " synthetic " molecules are exactly the same.

Regards,

..

..

> Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@...

> <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> tamijmoore

> <tamijmoore>

>

>

> Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:16 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

> All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

> My temperatures have been as low as 96.1. My doctor has been treating

> me with Synthetic T3 & T4 and I asked that she switch me to Armour for

> a more full spectrum medication. I am now at 45mg of Armour and feel

> amazing.

>

> Tami

[Guest guest]

That's wondeful news Tami. I'm happpy for you.

Barb

Now that I'm back and taking 45mg I feel wonderful. I haven't felt

like this...maybe ever. I can actually work again! And, really isn't

that proof that I feel good with the medication that I've got HypoT?

Tami

[Guest guest]

Thank you Barb! As you can see I'm still " fighting the battle " with people who

won't believe this problem exists. But, at least I've got the energy to do so

now. :-)

Tami

>

> That's wondeful news Tami. I'm happpy for you.

>

> Barb

>

>

> Now that I'm back and taking 45mg I feel wonderful. I haven't felt

> like this...maybe ever. I can actually work again! And, really isn't

> that proof that I feel good with the medication that I've got HypoT?

>

> Tami

>

[Guest guest]

I don't need any help interpreting the normalcy of my tests. The labs have

rated my tests as normal and my doctor agrees that all my tests are showing as

normal. Except of course my temperature readings are low.

" It's called knowledge " ...you are learning about something new and I'm not

mistaken or misinterpreting my results.

Please read more in my blog www.hypothyroidblog.com there are several

resources and links that you might be interested in viewing. I'm not surprised

that you don't believe me. My own doctors wouldn't diagnose me until I found

one who would!

Tami

> > >

> > > All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> > > type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

> > >

> >

> > That seems unlikely, considering just how many different tests are out

> > there. Which specific tests did you get? Please include reference ranges

> > with explicit results. Just because a test is within the reference range

> > does not mean your level is " normal. "

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Desiccated thyroid has T2 and T1 in addition to T3 and T4. The molecules may be

the same in synthetic as desiccated but it doesn't provide the additional T2 &

T1 that the desiccated does.

" T4, the most well known of all the thyroid hormones, heats the body and speeds

metabolism (of fats, proteins, and carbohydrates) and heart rate. T3, the most

active form of thyroid hormone, also heats the body and speeds metabolism and

heart rate. At best, T4 is only about one-quarter as potent as T3, and in any

case, most is converted into the more active T3 by the liver, kidneys, and other

body cells. T2 stimulates metabolism, while one animal study showed that T1

cools the body and slows the heart. Together, all four of these related hormones

probably act synergistically in ways that are not yet fully understood. "

http://www.21centurymed.com/?page_id=12

I'm not saying that Armour will work for everyone but I believe with my type of

HypoT-type 2 where the thyroid is producing enough T3 & T4 but my body doesn't

process it properly that the additional T2 & T1 it makes a difference. At least

it has for me. :-)

Tami

>

> I'm glad you're doing well with Armour. Quite a few people have

> reported doing better with it, especially when compared to T4 alone.

>

> HOWEVER: AFAIK none of the controlled tests have been able to show

> improved results from taking Armour as opposed to taking T4 alone. That

> to me seems a little strange given that there are sometimes [i think]

> T4/T3 conversion problems or binding problems that could cause T4 alone

> to not work so well.

>

> As for Armour being " ...a more full spectrum medication... " as oppose to

> the same quantity of synthetic T4 and T3 I don't see how you arrive at

> that. T4 and T3 are the active ingredients in Armour and you can get

> synthetic medications with T4 and T3 in them. And all of the T4/T3

> components of medications are bioidentical regardless of the source.

> The " natural " and " synthetic " molecules are exactly the same.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

> .

>

>

> > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@...

> > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> tamijmoore

> > <tamijmoore>

> >

> >

> > Sat Sep 4, 2010 12:16 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > All of my thyroid blood tests have come back normal I have taken every

> > type of thyroid blood test trying to get at the bottom of this issue.

> > My temperatures have been as low as 96.1. My doctor has been treating

> > me with Synthetic T3 & T4 and I asked that she switch me to Armour for

> > a more full spectrum medication. I am now at 45mg of Armour and feel

> > amazing.

> >

> > Tami

>

[Guest guest]

On 9/5/2010 10:59 AM, Tami wrote:

>

> I've taken the TSH, Free T4, FreeT3, reverse T3, thyro globulin

> antibody, Cortisol rhythm, TPO I've taken them every 5 weeks for the

> last 3 months and they are normal and it isn't impossible you just

> don't know about this type of HypoT....

>

I am familiar with several ways to be hypoT and still have test results

within the reference range. Again, just because a test result is in the

reference range, does NOT mean you are normal. Please share specific

results and reference ranges.

Although your list of tests addresses many of these possibilities, you

are not even close to your claim of taking " all " thyroid tests, as I

correctly surmised. A few tests you left out include TT4, FTI, TRH, RAI

uptake, TBG, FT3I, T3U, TRAb, TMAb, Tg (distinct from TgAB). Then there

are various scans and peripheral tests involving adrenals or the

pituitary. That does not include the tests used primarily in research.

OTOH, I would not recommend doing most of these tests every five weeks.

Once you have eliminated binding or conversion issues as an underlying

problem, you do not need to keep repeating that process or trying

alternative tests that give the same information. The frees and RT3 are

more dynamic and probably should be monitored until you get a handle on

the cause.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck, I don't know what to tell you...I feel better and my symptoms are

dissipating on thyroid medication.

My doctor is satisfied with the tests and she is repeating them to make sure

that they thyroid medication doesn't make me HyperT. The tests continue to be

normal.

Could it be that what I'm experiencing isn't what you've experienced or have

knowledge about? I'm just asking...

Tami

> >

> > I've taken the TSH, Free T4, FreeT3, reverse T3, thyro globulin

> > antibody, Cortisol rhythm, TPO I've taken them every 5 weeks for the

> > last 3 months and they are normal and it isn't impossible you just

> > don't know about this type of HypoT....

> >

> I am familiar with several ways to be hypoT and still have test results

> within the reference range. Again, just because a test result is in the

> reference range, does NOT mean you are normal. Please share specific

> results and reference ranges.

>

> Although your list of tests addresses many of these possibilities, you

> are not even close to your claim of taking " all " thyroid tests, as I

> correctly surmised. A few tests you left out include TT4, FTI, TRH, RAI

> uptake, TBG, FT3I, T3U, TRAb, TMAb, Tg (distinct from TgAB). Then there

> are various scans and peripheral tests involving adrenals or the

> pituitary. That does not include the tests used primarily in research.

>

> OTOH, I would not recommend doing most of these tests every five weeks.

> Once you have eliminated binding or conversion issues as an underlying

> problem, you do not need to keep repeating that process or trying

> alternative tests that give the same information. The frees and RT3 are

> more dynamic and probably should be monitored until you get a handle on

> the cause.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

I take it from your multiple responses without actually giving your results and

the lab ranges that you have only been told by your doctor that they're normal

and don't actually get copies of your labs. Many doctors tell patients that they

are normal when in fact that they are not. Chuck is probably one of the most

knowledgeable people you could come across, and I would venture

to say it sounds like you are the one who doesn't know everything about this

subject.

 

I and thousands of other hypo patients have had to learn the hard way, and I

hope you won't be one of them. Good luck to you.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Tami <tamijmoore@...>

Subject: Re:Newbie

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 1:01 PM

Chuck, I don't know what to tell you...I feel better and my symptoms are

dissipating on thyroid medication.

My doctor is satisfied with the tests and she is repeating them to make sure

that they thyroid medication doesn't make me HyperT.  The tests continue to be

normal.

Could it be that what I'm experiencing isn't what you've experienced or have

knowledge about?  I'm just asking...

Tami

> >

> > I've taken the TSH, Free T4, FreeT3, reverse T3, thyro globulin

> > antibody, Cortisol rhythm, TPO I've taken them every 5 weeks for the

> > last 3 months and they are normal and it isn't impossible you just

> > don't know about this type of HypoT....

> >

> I am familiar with several ways to be hypoT and still have test results

> within the reference range. Again, just because a test result is in the

> reference range, does NOT mean you are normal. Please share specific

> results and reference ranges.

>

> Although your list of tests addresses many of these possibilities, you

> are not even close to your claim of taking " all " thyroid tests, as I

> correctly surmised. A few tests you left out include TT4, FTI, TRH, RAI

> uptake, TBG, FT3I, T3U, TRAb, TMAb, Tg (distinct from TgAB). Then there

> are various scans and peripheral tests involving adrenals or the

> pituitary. That does not include the tests used primarily in research.

>

> OTOH, I would not recommend doing most of these tests every five weeks.

> Once you have eliminated binding or conversion issues as an underlying

> problem, you do not need to keep repeating that process or trying

> alternative tests that give the same information. The frees and RT3 are

> more dynamic and probably should be monitored until you get a handle on

> the cause.

>

> Chuck

>

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[Guest guest]

I do get copies of all my results and have them in an excel spreadsheet. I've

got results for 3 years of normal blood tests.

I don't say that I know everything I'm just suggesting that perhaps there is a

part of this subject that you aren't familiar with. Perhaps if you did some of

the research I've suggested that you might understand this condition better.

Believe me I've found out the hard way...harder than the usual hypothyroid

sufferer. And, my efforts have paid off and I feel better.

Perhaps a more open mind or agenda might help with understanding and learning

about this aspect of hypothyroidism. It exists and I am proof and there are

thousands of others since the 1800's that have benefited from being treated just

based on their symptoms and temperature.

I'm not here to say that everything you know is wrong...I'm suggesting that

possibly there is more to this than you've researched.

Tami

http://www.hypothyroidblog.com

> > >

> > > I've taken the TSH, Free T4, FreeT3, reverse T3, thyro globulin

> > > antibody, Cortisol rhythm, TPO I've taken them every 5 weeks for the

> > > last 3 months and they are normal and it isn't impossible you just

> > > don't know about this type of HypoT....

> > >

> > I am familiar with several ways to be hypoT and still have test results

> > within the reference range. Again, just because a test result is in the

> > reference range, does NOT mean you are normal. Please share specific

> > results and reference ranges.

> >

> > Although your list of tests addresses many of these possibilities, you

> > are not even close to your claim of taking " all " thyroid tests, as I

> > correctly surmised. A few tests you left out include TT4, FTI, TRH, RAI

> > uptake, TBG, FT3I, T3U, TRAb, TMAb, Tg (distinct from TgAB). Then there

> > are various scans and peripheral tests involving adrenals or the

> > pituitary. That does not include the tests used primarily in research.

> >

> > OTOH, I would not recommend doing most of these tests every five weeks.

> > Once you have eliminated binding or conversion issues as an underlying

> > problem, you do not need to keep repeating that process or trying

> > alternative tests that give the same information. The frees and RT3 are

> > more dynamic and probably should be monitored until you get a handle on

> > the cause.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

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