Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 , You wrote: > > ... His depth of knowledge of > this subject, as well as on many others is vast [sorry to embarrass you, > Chuck]. > Many days I feel as if my knowledge seems to be only half-vast. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Well you can find things to support what you believe and so can I... I've lived with all my symptoms http://hypothyroidism2blog.com/symptoms/ most of them all my life. Anything in there not sound like hypoT to you? I swear those are my symptoms and some I don't mention because it's too embarrassing. :-) How do you explain that I have all the same symptoms and that I'm responding well to the meds except that I'm HypoT? Tami ________________________________ From: <res075oh@...> hypothyroidism ; JAMES <res075oh@...> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:53:44 PM Subject: Re:Newbie I have. It appears very similar to other things I've read; not something new. Does any of the below sound familiar? .. .. > For about ten years, " functional *hypothyroidism* " has been promoted > as " 's Syndrome, " a term concocted by E. Denis , M.D., who > practiced in Florida in the early 1990s. The syndrome's supposed > manifestations include fatigue, headaches, PMS, hair loss, > irritability, fluid retention, depression, decreased memory, low sex > drive, unhealthy nails, easy weight gain, and about 60 other symptoms. > claims to have discovered a type of abnormally low thyroid > function in which routine blood tests of thyroid are often normal. He > states that the main diagnostic sign is a body temperature that > averages below 98.6� F (oral), and that the diagnosis is confirmed if > the patient responds to treatment with a " special thyroid hormone > treatment. " .. .. And how about this: .. .. > " Low thyroid " (*hypothyroidism*) was likewise unjustifiably diagnosed > in many cases of fatigue and/or obesity. Today's " fad " diagnoses used > to explain various common symptoms are chronic fatigue syndrome, > hypoglycemia, food allergies, parasites, " environmental illness, " > " candidiasis hypersensitivity, " " 's Syndrome, " " leaky gut > syndrome, " and " mercury amalgam toxicity. " Some products are or have > been sold with claims based on cockeyed theories about " oxygen > deficiency " and " magnetic deficiency. " The first four on this list are > legitimate conditions that unscientific practitioners overdiagnose. > The rest are figments of pseudoscientific imagination. > > Doctors who overdiagnose *hypothyroidism* often base their diagnosis > on " low " temperature readings determined by placing the thermometer > under the armpit. This is not a valid test of thyroid function. Proper > diagnosis requires blood tests that measure thyroid hormone levels. > .. .. You might be aware of how Dr. Peatfield diagnosed and treated hypothyroidism [before he lost his license to practice medicine]: .. .. > *Consumer Health Digest, May 21, 2001 > <http://www.ncahf.org/digest/01-21.html>*, 7/12/2004British " thyroid > doctor " suspended. The license of Barry Durrant Peatfield, of Purley, > Surrey, has been suspended from practice for 18 months while the > General Medical Council investigates whether improperly diagnosed and > treated patients that he claimed were suffering from *hypothyroidism* > Although this may or may not lead to disciplinary action, the doctor > states that he cannot afford to fight to clear his name and will > therefore retire. According to a press report, he has relied on a body > temperature test for diagnosis and used a desiccated thyroid product > for treatment. .. .. If you have fallen for the homeopathy scam you aren't going to believe what is written here; no matter how valid it is. It would probably be a good idea to read it anyway, because if you're reasonably intelligent and you keep researching the subject you will find most of the postulates indisputable: .. .. > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html Luck, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> tamijmoore > <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:10 pm (PDT) > > > > Have you googled Hypothyroidism Type 2? > > ...I could really do without the name calling... > > Tami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 As I said she is repeating the blood tests to make sure that i don't go out of the normal or if i shift within or out of the normal ranges now that I'm on meds. She wanted to rule out Hashimotos and...is it 's? But she is watching me like a hawk because we are going outside the accepted norm to treat me and we need to make sure that we stay on top of everything. She is also giving me Iodine...I'm really really low in Iodine...makes sense. And, my adrenals are a bit wacked...signs of a mis-spent youth! We've also treated me for Candida because I had a live blood analysis done it showed a problem there. Actually I think that all these things plus moving to the high-desert, having (yes) 10 fillings replaced in one month from those awful mercury ones that we used to use to fill teeth and aging gave way to the last 5 years of increased symptoms. Tami ________________________________ From: Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:58:29 PM Subject: Re: Re:Newbie Tami, You wrote: > > Chuck, I don't know what to tell you...I feel better and my symptoms > are dissipating on thyroid medication. > > My doctor is satisfied with the tests and she is repeating them to > make sure that they thyroid medication doesn't make me HyperT. The > tests continue to be normal. > > Could it be that what I'm experiencing isn't what you've experienced > or have knowledge about? I'm just asking... > I'm glad you feel better with the Armour, but the list has no way to judge whether what you are doing is truly optimal without the specific test results. Again, there are inconsistencies we cannot address without more information. If your doctor judges your tests to be normal, then why keep repeating the tests that measure binding potential and antibodies. Do you have Hashimoto's? Do you have a familial or idiopathic form? The tests could tell us, but those tests don't need to be repeated, once we know the cause. Just trying to help. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 It's definitely Been there, done that and is still here... How do you KNOW I'm wrong? Have you read the books, read the internet, talked to people with this particular problem? No, you have a blood diagnosed problem. Historical proof doesn't make it not relevent today. I have been truthful and forthcoming and been nice and that doesn't make me a scam artist. ha! Kinda funny really... Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Tami ________________________________ From: <res075oh@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:04:16 PM Subject: Re:Newbie Tami, we don't need to " ...update our knowledge... " with something that is so blatantly " been there, done that " . What is so " new, wonderful and miraculous " to you is old, stale and extremely tiring/boring to those of us who have been through it so many times before. You can believe whatever you want. As you continue your research I would suggest you try to develop some method to differentiate scams, con artists and quacks from credible information. You owe it to yourself, even if you didn't care a whit about those you might mislead with false information. Luck, .. .. > > > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> tamijmoore > <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:19 pm (PDT) > > > > You are amazing... > > If you know about this information and know it isn't new why don't you > believe that I suffer from HypoT-type 2? That it is a condition that > exists and is under-treated? > > I make no money off of those sites...none. I'm not spamming I'm trying > to educate and share my experiences with others. I'm not here to argue > or make you wrong. I'm trying to help others who are feeling Hypo > symptoms and being told that they aren't sick from it because their > blood work is fine. > > What is so hard to believe about this if you are so familiar with the > research and people who need thyroid treatment and aren't getting it? > > Would you mis-direct people who come here for information because you > refuse to update your...knowledge? > > Tami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 , brick walls are usually do not absorb intelligent information very well. Neither do holograms. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re:Newbie hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 4:33 PM Still it might be helpful to us in our quest for knowledge to know what your test results were as well as the ranges. Sometimes you can be within range but your position within the range when compared to another result position in the range can be enlightening. Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> tamijmoore > <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 12:28 pm (PDT) > > > > I don't need any help interpreting the normalcy of my tests. The labs > have rated my tests as normal and my doctor agrees that all my tests > are showing as normal. Except of course my temperature readings are low. > > " It's called knowledge " .. > .you are learning about something new and I'm not mistaken or > misinterpreting my results. > > Please read more in my blog www.hypothyroidblog.com there are several > resources and links that you might be interested in viewing. I'm not > surprised that you don't believe me. My own doctors wouldn't diagnose > me until I found one who would! > > Tami > > > > > > If you could post your own results for these tests, and the ranges > from the lab for each one someone could help you to interpret the > " normalcy " of them. > > > > > > <>Roni ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Many of them can come from many other reasons than hypothyroidism. Some of them I don't remember ever seeing as a symptom; but maybe I did. I cannot personally diagnose you and I could not even if you posted your lab results AND they were a _complete_ series. But there are people on this list who have a pretty good handle on lab results [with ranges] and they could probably see things I would certainly miss. I'm sure you know that there are a number of reasons why you might be feeling great on the particular medication that you are taking besides the obvious one that it may actually be therapeutic for your particular ailment. If all of the symptoms you have listed have gone away I think I'd keep taking whatever you are taking regardless of whether there's likely any way it could be expected to help. I would advise that you learn very well the symptoms of hypErthyroidism and look out for them. Also follow up on any possible effects of same: Perhaps bone density readings and regular EKG's among others??? Luck, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 7:34 pm (PDT) > > > > Well you can find things to support what you believe and so can I... > > I've lived with all my symptoms > http://hypothyroidism2blog.com/symptoms/ > <http://hypothyroidism2blog.com/symptoms/> most > of them all my life. Anything in there not sound like hypoT to you? I > swear > those are my symptoms and some I don't mention because it's too > embarrassing. > :-) How do you explain that I have all the same symptoms and that I'm > responding well to the meds except that I'm HypoT? > > Tami > > ____________ > ____________________ > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>; JAMES <res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:53:44 PM > Subject: Re:Newbie > > I have. It appears very similar to other things I've read; not something > new. Does any of the below sound familiar? > . > . > > > For about ten years, " functional *hypothyroidism* " has been promoted > > as " 's Syndrome, " a term concocted by E. Denis , M.D., who > > practiced in Florida in the early 1990s. The syndrome's supposed > > manifestations include fatigue, headaches, PMS, hair loss, > > irritability, fluid retention, depression, decreased memory, low sex > > drive, unhealthy nails, easy weight gain, and about 60 other symptoms. > > claims to have discovered a type of abnormally low thyroid > > function in which routine blood tests of thyroid are often normal. He > > states that the main diagnostic sign is a body temperature that > > averages below 98.6� F (oral), and that the diagnosis is confirmed if > > the patient responds to treatment with a " special thyroid hormone > > treatment. " > . > . > And how about this: > . > . > > " Low thyroid " (*hypothyroidism*) was likewise unjustifiably diagnosed > > in many cases of fatigue and/or obesity. Today's " fad " diagnoses used > > to explain various common symptoms are chronic fatigue syndrome, > > hypoglycemia, food allergies, parasites, " environmental illness, " > > " candidiasis hypersensitivity, " " 's Syndrome, " " leaky gut > > syndrome, " and " mercury amalgam toxicity. " Some products are or have > > been sold with claims based on cockeyed theories about " oxygen > > deficiency " and " magnetic deficiency. " The first four on this list are > > legitimate conditions that unscientific practitioners overdiagnose. > > The rest are figments of pseudoscientific imagination. > > > > Doctors who overdiagnose *hypothyroidism* often base their diagnosis > > on " low " temperature readings determined by placing the thermometer > > under the armpit. This is not a valid test of thyroid function. Proper > > diagnosis requires blood tests that measure thyroid hormone levels. > > > . > . > You might be aware of how Dr. Peatfield diagnosed and treated > hypothyroidism [before he lost his license to practice medicine]: > . > . > > *Consumer Health Digest, May 21, 2001 > > <http://www.ncahf.org/digest/01-21.html > <http://www.ncahf.org/digest/01-21.html>>*, 7/12/2004British " thyroid > > doctor " suspended. The license of Barry Durrant Peatfield, of Purley, > > Surrey, has been suspended from practice for 18 months while the > > General Medical Council investigates whether improperly diagnosed and > > treated patients that he claimed were suffering from *hypothyroidism* > > Although this may or may not lead to disciplinary action, the doctor > > states that he cannot afford to fight to clear his name and will > > therefore retire. According to a press report, he has relied on a body > > temperature test for diagnosis and used a desiccated thyroid product > > for treatment. > . > . > If you have fallen for the homeopathy scam you aren't going to believe > what is written here; no matter how valid it is. It would probably be a > good idea to read it anyway, because if you're reasonably intelligent > and you keep researching the subject you will find most of the > postulates indisputable: > . > . > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > <http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html> > > Luck, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 What specifically makes you think you're low on iodine? .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 7:42 pm (PDT) > > > > As I said she is repeating the blood tests to make sure that i don't > go out of > the normal or if i shift within or out of the normal ranges now that > I'm on > meds. She wanted to rule out Hashimotos and...is it 's? But she is > watching me like a hawk because we are going outside the accepted norm > to treat > me and we need to make sure that we stay on top of everything. She is > also > giving me Iodine...I'm really really low in Iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there, Roni. And, no I'm not dumb as a stump...I'm a six-figure woman and have my own technical business installing networks. I lead multi-million dollar projects with large teams. I volunteer my time to several organizations, some for the handicapped, foreign exchange students and government projects. And, I love learning new things how about you? Tami ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 10:26:37 PM Subject: Re: Re:Newbie , brick walls are usually do not absorb intelligent information very well. Neither do holograms. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re:Newbie hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 4:33 PM Still it might be helpful to us in our quest for knowledge to know what your test results were as well as the ranges. Sometimes you can be within range but your position within the range when compared to another result position in the range can be enlightening. Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> tamijmoore > <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 12:28 pm (PDT) > > > > I don't need any help interpreting the normalcy of my tests. The labs > have rated my tests as normal and my doctor agrees that all my tests > are showing as normal. Except of course my temperature readings are low. > > " It's called knowledge " .. > .you are learning about something new and I'm not mistaken or > misinterpreting my results. > > Please read more in my blog www.hypothyroidblog.com there are several > resources and links that you might be interested in viewing. I'm not > surprised that you don't believe me. My own doctors wouldn't diagnose > me until I found one who would! > > Tami > > > > > > If you could post your own results for these tests, and the ranges > from the lab for each one someone could help you to interpret the > " normalcy " of them. > > > > > > <>Roni ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 My symptoms come from reading books and the internet and that's why they are included in the list. They are by no means gone but are getting better. My nails are starting to grow better, my hair is getting thicker, my face isn't as puffy. But, I'm still dealing with the weight gain, skin conditions, horrible monthly cycles and some anxiety. It's my understanding that it's pretty straight forward if you have a racing heart, headaches, moodiness, etc. you are going into hyperT which means I would be taking too much thyroid medication. I've studied about HyperT and from what I understand people with thyroid issues can go back and forth. I've gotten to that point where the meds were too strong, oh it was horrible! ha! but am back down to my low dosage and have had energy to catch-up on all the things I couldn't do while I've been sick. My to-dos that have been neglected due to my extreme fatigue and it's so lovely to finally be able to start tackling them. I would be interested to get a bone density reading, I've gotten my reproduction hormones tested and have a few base line measurements, I'm 48 and not in menopause...yet...and my results all fell within the normal range. That is where I first went trying to diagnose that perhaps I was going into menopause and ruled that out after trying out meds and my symptoms didn't change. Tami ________________________________ From: <res075oh@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:33:13 PM Subject: Re: Newbie Many of them can come from many other reasons than hypothyroidism. Some of them I don't remember ever seeing as a symptom; but maybe I did. I cannot personally diagnose you and I could not even if you posted your lab results AND they were a _complete_ series. But there are people on this list who have a pretty good handle on lab results [with ranges] and they could probably see things I would certainly miss. I'm sure you know that there are a number of reasons why you might be feeling great on the particular medication that you are taking besides the obvious one that it may actually be therapeutic for your particular ailment. If all of the symptoms you have listed have gone away I think I'd keep taking whatever you are taking regardless of whether there's likely any way it could be expected to help. I would advise that you learn very well the symptoms of hypErthyroidism and look out for them. Also follow up on any possible effects of same: Perhaps bone density readings and regular EKG's among others??? Luck, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 7:34 pm (PDT) > > > > Well you can find things to support what you believe and so can I... > > I've lived with all my symptoms > http://hypothyroidism2blog.com/symptoms/ > <http://hypothyroidism2blog.com/symptoms/> most > of them all my life. Anything in there not sound like hypoT to you? I > swear > those are my symptoms and some I don't mention because it's too > embarrassing. > :-) How do you explain that I have all the same symptoms and that I'm > responding well to the meds except that I'm HypoT? > > Tami > > ____________ > ____________________ > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>; JAMES <res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 7:53:44 PM > Subject: Re:Newbie > > I have. It appears very similar to other things I've read; not something > new. Does any of the below sound familiar? > . > . > > > For about ten years, " functional *hypothyroidism* " has been promoted > > as " 's Syndrome, " a term concocted by E. Denis , M.D., who > > practiced in Florida in the early 1990s. The syndrome's supposed > > manifestations include fatigue, headaches, PMS, hair loss, > > irritability, fluid retention, depression, decreased memory, low sex > > drive, unhealthy nails, easy weight gain, and about 60 other symptoms. > > claims to have discovered a type of abnormally low thyroid > > function in which routine blood tests of thyroid are often normal. He > > states that the main diagnostic sign is a body temperature that > > averages below 98.6� F (oral), and that the diagnosis is confirmed if > > the patient responds to treatment with a " special thyroid hormone > > treatment. " > . > . > And how about this: > . > . > > " Low thyroid " (*hypothyroidism*) was likewise unjustifiably diagnosed > > in many cases of fatigue and/or obesity. Today's " fad " diagnoses used > > to explain various common symptoms are chronic fatigue syndrome, > > hypoglycemia, food allergies, parasites, " environmental illness, " > > " candidiasis hypersensitivity, " " 's Syndrome, " " leaky gut > > syndrome, " and " mercury amalgam toxicity. " Some products are or have > > been sold with claims based on cockeyed theories about " oxygen > > deficiency " and " magnetic deficiency. " The first four on this list are > > legitimate conditions that unscientific practitioners overdiagnose. > > The rest are figments of pseudoscientific imagination. > > > > Doctors who overdiagnose *hypothyroidism* often base their diagnosis > > on " low " temperature readings determined by placing the thermometer > > under the armpit. This is not a valid test of thyroid function. Proper > > diagnosis requires blood tests that measure thyroid hormone levels. > > > . > . > You might be aware of how Dr. Peatfield diagnosed and treated > hypothyroidism [before he lost his license to practice medicine]: > . > . > > *Consumer Health Digest, May 21, 2001 > > <http://www.ncahf.org/digest/01-21.html > <http://www.ncahf.org/digest/01-21.html>>*, 7/12/2004British " thyroid > > doctor " suspended. The license of Barry Durrant Peatfield, of Purley, > > Surrey, has been suspended from practice for 18 months while the > > General Medical Council investigates whether improperly diagnosed and > > treated patients that he claimed were suffering from *hypothyroidism* > > Although this may or may not lead to disciplinary action, the doctor > > states that he cannot afford to fight to clear his name and will > > therefore retire. According to a press report, he has relied on a body > > temperature test for diagnosis and used a desiccated thyroid product > > for treatment. > . > . > If you have fallen for the homeopathy scam you aren't going to believe > what is written here; no matter how valid it is. It would probably be a > good idea to read it anyway, because if you're reasonably intelligent > and you keep researching the subject you will find most of the > postulates indisputable: > . > . > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > <http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html> > > Luck, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 My doctor has tested me several times and I'm really low in iodine. My doctor told me that T3 has 3 iodine molecules and T4 has four so being low in iodine also points to a probable mis-function of my thyroid somehow. My liver enzymes where so bad that I was diagnosed with Fatty Liver disease but have since throught diet, supplements and excerise reversed that condition and my liver is testing normal again. Although I'm sure that the poor thing is probably struggling with the whole T2/T4/T2/T1 process and might have a lot to do with having symptoms and normal blood tests. Thank you for the questions ! Tami ________________________________ From: <res075oh@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:37:14 PM Subject: Re: Newbie What specifically makes you think you're low on iodine? .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 7:42 pm (PDT) > > > > As I said she is repeating the blood tests to make sure that i don't > go out of > the normal or if i shift within or out of the normal ranges now that > I'm on > meds. She wanted to rule out Hashimotos and...is it 's? But she is > watching me like a hawk because we are going outside the accepted norm > to treat > me and we need to make sure that we stay on top of everything. She is > also > giving me Iodine...I'm really really low in Iodine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Tami, I've read in several places that body temperature can indicate low thyroid - there are people who believe that and people who don't. I'm certainly not an expert with in depth knowledge like others here and I'm open to all alternative viewpoints. I actually signed on to this list because I thought it *was* looking at alternatives - that's what the list description states - however it seems that's not the orientation of the list anymore. Fine. However, I think what people are saying is that they are more than familiar with what you are saying about body temperature and just would like to put more pieces of the puzzle together. You don't have to post your blood work, of course. The bigger issue for me is what happened to the original orientation of the list! Description from home page: Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group - Alternative medicine, diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism = Too Little Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open forum for discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism and preventing reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine, Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine, Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury, Hg, Amalgam, Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites, toxins, heavy metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam, nickel, root fillings, cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney stones), liver and Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal formulas, Parasite killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob Beck's Silver Pulser, Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil Selenium Coenzyme Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni Colloidal minerals chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17 Enzymes seaweed kelp kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B. Gerson, Dr.Budwig Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar aspartame meat)... --We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr. Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr. Bob Beck-Royal Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are only some ideas for discussion--General subject is Health ! We can all learn from each other. Good luck. Cathryn. > > > > ... I'm not surprised that you don't believe me. My own doctors > > wouldn't diagnose me until I found one who would! > > > I don't believe you for the simple reason that what you stated was > patently and demonstrably false. You said you had taken " all " the > thyroid tests over and over. However, you only listed a handful out of > many tests that you did not take. > > If you want to believe that your tests were normal without letting > anyone else know what they are, that is your business. However, contrary > to what you claim, labs do NOT rate blood tests as " normal. " Rather they > give you a number with units and a reference range. Labs will typically > indicate if you are outside a range, but even that may be " normal, " > depending on the circumstances. If anyone is interpreting a position for > results within that reference range as normal, it might be your doctor > or you, not the lab. However, lab reference ranges are determined > experimentally from an a-symptomatic population and the labs reagents. > They rarely have the same meaning for someone taking medication, which > is how we might be able to help you. > > You seem to be unwilling to give us those results and ranges. Given your > several misstatements and exaggerations, I am inclined to wonder whether > you actually did take all those tests every five weeks. > > Chuck > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Please read my post carefully. Nowhere did I call you a scam artist or any other pejoritive. Rather I have suggested that you have been the victim of same. Yes, I've read the books, the internet and communicated with people with the exact same symptoms in some [not all] cases . I didn't find it necessary to read all of them. You probably wouldn't have to eat all of a poop sandwich to decide you didn't like it. Often a very quick scan of a book or an internet page is all that is needed. As soon as you can see a number of falsehoods then you don't need to read all the rest. Beyond that con artists, scammers and quacks so often follow almost the exact same pattern that it becomes very easy to eliminate from serious consideration a great number of them with little more than a few seconds of perusal. There is a wealth of information in the faq that Chuck posted a day or so ago. There is precious little if any support for the existence of 's Syndrome or Type 2 Hypothyroidism in most of the credible literature that I have seen, but Chuck is far more familiar with that than I am. Whatever support I've seen for any type of sub-clinical hypothyroidism derives as far as I can tell more from a disagreement about what level of TSH actually indicates " normal " than anything else. I think in the UK the range for " normal " is _much_ higher than in the US. Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Sun Sep 5, 2010 7:49 pm (PDT) > > > > It's definitely Been there, done that and is still here... > > How do you KNOW I'm wrong? Have you read the books, read the internet, > talked > to people with this particular problem? No, you have a blood diagnosed > problem. Historical proof doesn't make it not relevent today. I have been > truthful and forthcoming and been nice and that doesn't make me a scam > artist. > ha! Kinda funny really... > > Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. > > Tami > > ____________ > ____________________ > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 8:04:16 PM > Subject: Re:Newbie > > Tami, we don't need to " ...update our knowledge... " with something that > is so blatantly " been there, done that " . What is so " new, wonderful and > miraculous " to you is old, stale and extremely tiring/boring to those of > us who have been through it so many times before. > > You can believe whatever you want. As you continue your research I > would suggest you try to develop some method to differentiate scams, con > artists and quacks from credible information. You owe it to yourself, > even if you didn't care a whit about those you might mislead with false > information. > > Luck, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Tami, many extremely well educated and intelligent people have been convinced by false information; some of them leading scientists. Not exactly the same thing [at all], but do you remember the ballyhoo about cold fusion? And there have been quite a number of medical discoveries that were honestly given huge support by those very intelligent and educated people, yet they were eventually found to be without merit. There is so much information on the internet... And so much of it if flat out wrong. Until you can begin to pick out the patterns that so many of the con artists follow it's very difficult to tell fact from fiction. Successful con artists are successful in part because the figure out what people want to hear, and they say it. And in the medical field they typically spread the symptoms so widely that everybody will almost certainly suffer from one or many of them at one time or another. And when you see something that is guaranteed to cure everything from cancer to hang nail... IT WON'T. Luck, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:32 am (PDT) > > > > Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there, Roni. > > And, no I'm not dumb as a stump...I'm a six-figure woman and have my own > technical business installing networks. I lead multi-million dollar > projects > with large teams. I volunteer my time to several organizations, some > for the > handicapped, foreign exchange students and government projects. And, I > love > learning new things how about you? > > Tami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 The swinging from hypEr to hypO typically happens mostly [or maybe exclusively?] with those who have Hashimoto's. Do you have/have you been tested for that? It's my understanding that you can at times have some of the same symptoms for hypEr as from hypO. How often this occurs I don't know. In my case I very frequently had a racing heart although I was hypO rather than hypEr. There are multiple possible causes for many symptoms. I think there are probably hypo conditions where T3 can be very beneficial [binding or conversion problems], although I don't know if there is a great deal of credible research to support that notion. One of my reasons for requesting your lab results was that if you have a complete thyroid panel sometimes those more educated on the subject than I can pick out whether you probably have such a condition [even when all readings are within " normal " range]. Luck, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:50 am (PDT) > > > > My symptoms come from reading books and the internet and that's why > they are > included in the list. They are by no means gone but are getting > better. My > nails are starting to grow better, my hair is getting thicker, my face > isn't as > puffy. But, I'm still dealing with the weight gain, skin conditions, > horrible > monthly cycles and some anxiety. > > It's my understanding that it's pretty straight forward if you have a > racing > heart, headaches, moodiness, etc. you are going into hyperT which > means I would > be taking too much thyroid medication. I've studied about HyperT and > from what > I understand people with thyroid issues can go back and forth. I've > gotten to > that point where the meds were too strong, oh it was horrible! ha! but > am back > down to my low dosage and have had energy to catch-up on all the things I > couldn't do while I've been sick. My to-dos that have been neglected > due to my > extreme fatigue and it's so lovely to finally be able to start > tackling them. > > I would be interested to get a bone density reading, I've gotten my > reproduction > hormones tested and have a few base line measurements, I'm 48 and not in > menopause... > yet...and my results all fell within the normal range. That is > where I first went trying to diagnose that perhaps I was going into > menopause > and ruled that out after trying out meds and my symptoms didn't change. > > Tami > > ________________________________ > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:33:13 PM > Subject: Re: Newbie > > Many of them can come from many other reasons than hypothyroidism. Some > of them I don't remember ever seeing as a symptom; but maybe I did. > > I cannot personally diagnose you and I could not even if you posted your > lab results AND they were a _complete_ series. But there are people on > this list who have a pretty good handle on lab results [with ranges] and > they could probably see things I would certainly miss. > > I'm sure you know that there are a number of reasons why you might be > feeling great on the particular medication that you are taking besides > the obvious one that it may actually be therapeutic for your particular > ailment. If all of the symptoms you have listed have gone away I think > I'd keep taking whatever you are taking regardless of whether there's > likely any way it could be expected to help. I would advise that you > learn very well the symptoms of hypErthyroidism and look out for them. > Also follow up on any possible effects of same: Perhaps bone density > readings and regular EKG's among others??? > > Luck, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 What I'm trying to find out is what specific test did your doctor do that indicates low iodine? What test, what result, what ranges? I'm no expert but if you make plenty of T4, T3 [all ranges " normal " ] then I'm wondering how you could be low in iodine. In the US most of us typically get about 200% of the RDA in our diets. Thanks, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:55 am (PDT) > > > > My doctor has tested me several times and I'm really low in iodine. My > doctor > told me that T3 has 3 iodine molecules and T4 has four so being low in > iodine > also points to a probable mis-function of my thyroid somehow. > > My liver enzymes where so bad that I was diagnosed with Fatty Liver > disease but > have since throught diet, supplements and excerise reversed that > condition and > my liver is testing normal again. Although I'm sure that the poor > thing is > probably struggling with the whole T2/T4/T2/T1 process and might have > a lot to > do with having symptoms and normal blood tests. > > Thank you for the questions ! > > Tami > > ____________ > ____________________ > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:37:14 PM > Subject: Re: Newbie > > What specifically makes you think you're low on iodine? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 We are open to discussing these things. However, not everyone has or has to have the same opinions. Suffice it to say there are members who have very alternative ideas about treatment and there are others who have very allopathic ideas about treatment. Then there are others that have both alternative and allopathic ideas about treatment. It's a case of whatever works for you. Some of the things on the list have been researched over and over and tried over and over and have found to be wanting. Others have gone through the same scrutiny and have been found to have merit. Feel free to bring up whatever you like. The current negativism emanating from the Newbie thread has come about because the mis-statements and superiority attitude is not one that is easily tolerated. Several of us have tried to help her. She has stated she doesn't want help. What she wants is for us to click on the links she has provided. There are people who get paid for getting others to click on their provided links. Given the lack of real knowledge and understanding she puts forth, this is the only conclusion to which I can reach. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: cathrynbe2002 <cathryn.be@...> Subject: Re:Newbie hypothyroidism Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:24 AM Tami, I've read in several places that body temperature can indicate low thyroid - there are people who believe that and people who don't. I'm certainly not an expert with in depth knowledge like others here and I'm open to all alternative viewpoints. I actually signed on to this list because I thought it *was* looking at alternatives - that's what the list description states - however it seems that's not the orientation of the list anymore. Fine. However, I think what people are saying is that they are more than familiar with what you are saying about body temperature and just would like to put more pieces of the puzzle together. You don't have to post your blood work, of course. The bigger issue for me is what happened to the original orientation of the list! Description from home page: Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group - Alternative medicine, diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism = Too Little Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open forum for discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism and preventing reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine, Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine, Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury, Hg, Amalgam, Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites, toxins, heavy metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam, nickel, root fillings, cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney stones), liver and Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal formulas, Parasite killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob Beck's Silver Pulser, Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil Selenium Coenzyme Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni Colloidal minerals chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17 Enzymes seaweed kelp kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B. Gerson, Dr.Budwig Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar aspartame meat)... --We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr. Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr. Bob Beck-Royal Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are only some ideas for discussion--General subject is Health ! We can all learn from each other. Good luck. Cathryn. > > > > ... I'm not surprised that you don't believe me. My own doctors > > wouldn't diagnose me until I found one who would! > > > I don't believe you for the simple reason that what you stated was > patently and demonstrably false. You said you had taken " all " the > thyroid tests over and over. However, you only listed a handful out of > many tests that you did not take. > > If you want to believe that your tests were normal without letting > anyone else know what they are, that is your business. However, contrary > to what you claim, labs do NOT rate blood tests as " normal. " Rather they > give you a number with units and a reference range. Labs will typically > indicate if you are outside a range, but even that may be " normal, " > depending on the circumstances. If anyone is interpreting a position for > results within that reference range as normal, it might be your doctor > or you, not the lab. However, lab reference ranges are determined > experimentally from an a-symptomatic population and the labs reagents. > They rarely have the same meaning for someone taking medication, which > is how we might be able to help you. > > You seem to be unwilling to give us those results and ranges. Given your > several misstatements and exaggerations, I am inclined to wonder whether > you actually did take all those tests every five weeks. > > Chuck > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 The owner of the list has abandoned it with only one moderator, Ira Fine. Said owner totally ignores this list or any efforts to contact him. Ira has asked me to serve as his assistant, there being too much for one person to handle; especially since Ira has many other groups [iIRC] as well as health problems. So the list is what we make it. We discuss and cuss both allopathic and alternative methods of treating hypothyroidism. My world view, as I have stated many times, is from the allopathic/scientific viewpoint, although I have no credentials whatsoever. Others have taken alternative positions; each comes under attack or is provided support according to the view of the poster. Alternative practices that have any validity often over time may become more accepted into allopathic medicine. I'm pretty sure that now many doctors accept the possibility of things like sub-clinical hypothyroidism, although many may not. IMHO the changing of the TSH " normal " range may well be at least partially due to the influence of alternative viewpoints. Best, .. .. > > Posted by: " cathrynbe2002 " cathryn.be@... > <mailto:cathryn.be@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANewbie> > cathrynbe2002 <cathrynbe2002> > > > Mon Sep 6, 2010 7:24 am (PDT) > > > > Tami, > > I've read in several places that body temperature can indicate low > thyroid - there are people who believe that and people who don't. I'm > certainly not an expert with in depth knowledge like others here and > I'm open to all alternative viewpoints. I actually signed on to this > list because I thought it *was* looking at alternatives - that's what > the list description states - however it seems that's not the > orientation of the list anymore. Fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 , I find having a conversation with you is like talking to two people one minute you want to engage in a conversation and the next you are accusatory and plain mean... From what I've read about HyperT vs. HypoT that a lot of people go back and forth between the two. I think that I might have been HyperT in my youth and as I matured and had some events pass that I've gone into HypoT. There is a lot of research I believe, however, it is more historical. People don't die in droves anymore from thyroid issues. We just suffer now. I realize you are trying to prove once and for all that I don't have HypoT through my blood work but it's simply not true...believe it or not . Tami > > The swinging from hypEr to hypO typically happens mostly [or maybe > exclusively?] with those who have Hashimoto's. Do you have/have you > been tested for that? > > It's my understanding that you can at times have some of the same > symptoms for hypEr as from hypO. How often this occurs I don't know. > In my case I very frequently had a racing heart although I was hypO > rather than hypEr. There are multiple possible causes for many symptoms. > > I think there are probably hypo conditions where T3 can be very > beneficial [binding or conversion problems], although I don't know if > there is a great deal of credible research to support that notion. One > of my reasons for requesting your lab results was that if you have a > complete thyroid panel sometimes those more educated on the subject than > I can pick out whether you probably have such a condition [even when all > readings are within " normal " range]. > > Luck, > > . > . > > > > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > > > > Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:50 am (PDT) > > > > > > > > My symptoms come from reading books and the internet and that's why > > they are > > included in the list. They are by no means gone but are getting > > better. My > > nails are starting to grow better, my hair is getting thicker, my face > > isn't as > > puffy. But, I'm still dealing with the weight gain, skin conditions, > > horrible > > monthly cycles and some anxiety. > > > > It's my understanding that it's pretty straight forward if you have a > > racing > > heart, headaches, moodiness, etc. you are going into hyperT which > > means I would > > be taking too much thyroid medication. I've studied about HyperT and > > from what > > I understand people with thyroid issues can go back and forth. I've > > gotten to > > that point where the meds were too strong, oh it was horrible! ha! but > > am back > > down to my low dosage and have had energy to catch-up on all the things I > > couldn't do while I've been sick. My to-dos that have been neglected > > due to my > > extreme fatigue and it's so lovely to finally be able to start > > tackling them. > > > > I would be interested to get a bone density reading, I've gotten my > > reproduction > > hormones tested and have a few base line measurements, I'm 48 and not in > > menopause... > > yet...and my results all fell within the normal range. That is > > where I first went trying to diagnose that perhaps I was going into > > menopause > > and ruled that out after trying out meds and my symptoms didn't change. > > > > Tami > > > > ________________________________ > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > > hypothyroidism > > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:33:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Newbie > > > > Many of them can come from many other reasons than hypothyroidism. Some > > of them I don't remember ever seeing as a symptom; but maybe I did. > > > > I cannot personally diagnose you and I could not even if you posted your > > lab results AND they were a _complete_ series. But there are people on > > this list who have a pretty good handle on lab results [with ranges] and > > they could probably see things I would certainly miss. > > > > I'm sure you know that there are a number of reasons why you might be > > feeling great on the particular medication that you are taking besides > > the obvious one that it may actually be therapeutic for your particular > > ailment. If all of the symptoms you have listed have gone away I think > > I'd keep taking whatever you are taking regardless of whether there's > > likely any way it could be expected to help. I would advise that you > > learn very well the symptoms of hypErthyroidism and look out for them. > > Also follow up on any possible effects of same: Perhaps bone density > > readings and regular EKG's among others??? > > > > Luck, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 , my doctor uses a liquid on my arm and I believe that is the same solution that is used for first aid. She places a large circle on my arm and can tell from that, if it dissipates quickly I'm fine if it fades slowly I'm low on Iodine. I believe there are blood tests too. If you would rather have something more clinical. Your information is old , there is a serious rise in Iodine deficiency from what I've read in many places here are a few reasons. People are using less salt in their diets, aren't buying iodized salt and using sea salt, like me. Tami ________________________________ From: <res075oh@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 11:16:58 AM Subject: Re: Newbie What I'm trying to find out is what specific test did your doctor do that indicates low iodine? What test, what result, what ranges? I'm no expert but if you make plenty of T4, T3 [all ranges " normal " ] then I'm wondering how you could be low in iodine. In the US most of us typically get about 200% of the RDA in our diets. Thanks, .. .. > Posted by: " Tami " tamijmoore@... > <mailto:tamijmoore@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Newbie> > tamijmoore <tamijmoore> > > > Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:55 am (PDT) > > > > My doctor has tested me several times and I'm really low in iodine. My > doctor > told me that T3 has 3 iodine molecules and T4 has four so being low in > iodine > also points to a probable mis-function of my thyroid somehow. > > My liver enzymes where so bad that I was diagnosed with Fatty Liver > disease but > have since throught diet, supplements and excerise reversed that > condition and > my liver is testing normal again. Although I'm sure that the poor > thing is > probably struggling with the whole T2/T4/T2/T1 process and might have > a lot to > do with having symptoms and normal blood tests. > > Thank you for the questions ! > > Tami > > ____________ > ____________________ > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:37:14 PM > Subject: Re: Newbie > > What specifically makes you think you're low on iodine? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Roni, that is not it and I've suggested several times that you google Hypothyroidism Type 2 or read some of the books on the subject or the history. And, no you are not open to discussing anything new. Tami ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 11:50:57 AM Subject: Re: Re:Newbie We are open to discussing these things. However, not everyone has or has to have the same opinions. Suffice it to say there are members who have very alternative ideas about treatment and there are others who have very allopathic ideas about treatment. Then there are others that have both alternative and allopathic ideas about treatment. It's a case of whatever works for you. Some of the things on the list have been researched over and over and tried over and over and have found to be wanting. Others have gone through the same scrutiny and have been found to have merit. Feel free to bring up whatever you like. The current negativism emanating from the Newbie thread has come about because the mis-statements and superiority attitude is not one that is easily tolerated. Several of us have tried to help her. She has stated she doesn't want help. What she wants is for us to click on the links she has provided. There are people who get paid for getting others to click on their provided links. Given the lack of real knowledge and understanding she puts forth, this is the only conclusion to which I can reach. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: cathrynbe2002 <cathryn.be@...> Subject: Re:Newbie hypothyroidism Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:24 AM Tami, I've read in several places that body temperature can indicate low thyroid - there are people who believe that and people who don't. I'm certainly not an expert with in depth knowledge like others here and I'm open to all alternative viewpoints. I actually signed on to this list because I thought it *was* looking at alternatives - that's what the list description states - however it seems that's not the orientation of the list anymore. Fine. However, I think what people are saying is that they are more than familiar with what you are saying about body temperature and just would like to put more pieces of the puzzle together. You don't have to post your blood work, of course. The bigger issue for me is what happened to the original orientation of the list! Description from home page: Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group - Alternative medicine, diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism = Too Little Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open forum for discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism and preventing reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine, Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine, Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury, Hg, Amalgam, Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites, toxins, heavy metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam, nickel, root fillings, cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney stones), liver and Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal formulas, Parasite killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob Beck's Silver Pulser, Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil Selenium Coenzyme Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni Colloidal minerals chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17 Enzymes seaweed kelp kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B. Gerson, Dr.Budwig Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar aspartame meat)... --We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr. Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr. Bob Beck-Royal Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are only some ideas for discussion--General subject is Health ! We can all learn from each other. Good luck. Cathryn. > > > > ... I'm not surprised that you don't believe me. My own doctors > > wouldn't diagnose me until I found one who would! > > > I don't believe you for the simple reason that what you stated was > patently and demonstrably false. You said you had taken " all " the > thyroid tests over and over. However, you only listed a handful out of > many tests that you did not take. > > If you want to believe that your tests were normal without letting > anyone else know what they are, that is your business. However, contrary > to what you claim, labs do NOT rate blood tests as " normal. " Rather they > give you a number with units and a reference range. Labs will typically > indicate if you are outside a range, but even that may be " normal, " > depending on the circumstances. If anyone is interpreting a position for > results within that reference range as normal, it might be your doctor > or you, not the lab. However, lab reference ranges are determined > experimentally from an a-symptomatic population and the labs reagents. > They rarely have the same meaning for someone taking medication, which > is how we might be able to help you. > > You seem to be unwilling to give us those results and ranges. Given your > several misstatements and exaggerations, I am inclined to wonder whether > you actually did take all those tests every five weeks. > > Chuck > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2010 Report Share Posted September 7, 2010 Tami, You wrote: > > My T3 and T4 are fine coming and going out of my thyroid. ... > If you are taking Armour, at least a fraction of your T3 and T4 are NOT coming from your thyroid. Either way, NONE are going out through the thyroid; they are metabolized elsewhere. > I believe that T2 and > T1 are still unknown how they're used or where they are created and > frankly you > don't know what my body is doing with or without T2 and T1. And, blood > tests > aren't going to tell you my T2/T1 levels.... > Then your beliefs betray your ignorance of this subject. T2 and T1 were discovered, studied, and measured decades ago. Their specific metabolic activity has been measured and is published in textbooks on endocrinology. T2 has been synthesized and taken by body builders, who found that if you take enough, it has activity that can cause a dangerous state of hyperT to rival that caused by T3. Both T4 and T3 are metabolized by de-iodizing enzymes scattered throughout the body. T4 and T3 are 100%, molecule by molecule, converted eventually by these enzymes into T2. Thus, at equilibrium your blood levels of T2 equal those of T4 plus T3 taken. For someone taking T4 only, T2 levels match the T4. In contrast, the T2 measured in dessicated glands is a fraction of a percent of the T4, perhaps because the thyroid gland's role is to convert T2 and other iodine compounds INTO T4, rather than remove the iodine. That is done elsewhere. Although there are no routine blood tests for T2 or T1, they have been assayed and tracked using precise research techniques. These assay techniques have not been calibrated or standardized for routine testing, because everyone knows that T2 and T1 follow the T4/T3 levels precisely, have only a tiny percentage of their physiological efficacy, and are considered metabolic waste. > I'm just taking a chance on it, > testing it on my own body, to see if I respond to it any better than the > synthetic that i tried first. From what I've read about Armour or > desiccated > meds is that they come under so much scrutiny (as they should!) they > test 2-3 > times before creating the pill. So it would seem strange that it would be > created for the level of a pig instead of a human since that is who their > customers are.... > Armour is not " created for the level of a pig, " it is a mix of dried glands taken FROM a pig, which naturally has a higher T4/T3 ratio than humans. In addition, the T4 is more fragile and is only 80% absorbed at best with no food, while the T3 is 100% absorbed, whether there is food present or not. Thus, Armour is T3 heavy, even without food. With food, it becomes almost exclusively a T3 medication. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Tami, You wrote: > > My doctor has tested me several times and I'm really low in iodine.... > I thought all your tests were normal? Which iodine test did she order? > My doctor > told me that T3 has 3 iodine molecules and T4 has four so being low in > iodine > also points to a probable mis-function of my thyroid somehow. > T3 has three iodine ATOMs per molecule; T4 has four iodine atoms. Low iodine correlates with goiter. High iodine seems to correlate with Hashimoto's. Do you have either? I find it strange that your doctor orders " all " the mainstream thyroid tests, even more frequently than recommended, at too short an interval for the blood levels to reach equilibrium, yet she seems to agree with many of the crackpot approaches that disapprove of any testing. Mainstream medicine does not accept 's syndrome, adrenal insufficiency, or any benefit of iodine beyond the RDA. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 What's Up Chuck? Still beating that same opinion? And, looking for ways to manipulate what I'm saying to suit yourself and your opinions? Not working...perhaps you are just behind on the book I've nearly written over the past few days here... Tami ________________________________ From: Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 5:29:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: Newbie Tami, You wrote: > > My doctor has tested me several times and I'm really low in iodine.... > I thought all your tests were normal? Which iodine test did she order? > My doctor > told me that T3 has 3 iodine molecules and T4 has four so being low in > iodine > also points to a probable mis-function of my thyroid somehow. > T3 has three iodine ATOMs per molecule; T4 has four iodine atoms. Low iodine correlates with goiter. High iodine seems to correlate with Hashimoto's. Do you have either? I find it strange that your doctor orders " all " the mainstream thyroid tests, even more frequently than recommended, at too short an interval for the blood levels to reach equilibrium, yet she seems to agree with many of the crackpot approaches that disapprove of any testing. Mainstream medicine does not accept 's syndrome, adrenal insufficiency, or any benefit of iodine beyond the RDA. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 On 9/7/2010 11:36 AM, Tami wrote: > > , my doctor uses a liquid on my arm and I believe that is the > same solution > that is used for first aid. She places a large circle on my arm and > can tell > from that, if it dissipates quickly I'm fine if it fades slowly I'm > low on > Iodine.... > The iodine skin test was totally discredited in 1932. Almost no iodine in the tincture gets through our skin. What the test actually measures is how fast iodine evaporates (actually sublimates) into air. Any doctor that would recommend or rely on that test is a quack. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Have you read anything newer than 1932? Believe anything new or historical for that matter? Tami ________________________________ From: Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 6:18:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: Newbie On 9/7/2010 11:36 AM, Tami wrote: > > , my doctor uses a liquid on my arm and I believe that is the > same solution > that is used for first aid. She places a large circle on my arm and > can tell > from that, if it dissipates quickly I'm fine if it fades slowly I'm > low on > Iodine.... > The iodine skin test was totally discredited in 1932. Almost no iodine in the tincture gets through our skin. What the test actually measures is how fast iodine evaporates (actually sublimates) into air. Any doctor that would recommend or rely on that test is a quack. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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