Newbie

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, Bee, I thought I had read it all, but I missed something.

Maybe it is because of a language problem, maybe not.

What I mean is: stop right away eating refined products and stick to

whole grains. Is that any better. I did mean to give Therese support and

I'm glad you understood what I meant to do.

I really think it is a good way to start on a limited basis for a few

days or weeks, so long as it takes to learn about it all, in order to

experience that it does work for you.

I was interested to find out that flax seeds are a no-no, for I have

been taking that for quite some time. I didn't know it was damaging. In

Holland this is a general advice, to take flax seeds in combination with

flax oil. But hey, there are more ways to Rome, and probably better ways

too.

I do understand that this is not a regular posting circuit, but giving

support to one another, is that not what it takes too?

Thank you for all your effort, Bee!

Regards, a

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

Van:

[mailto: ] Namens Bee Wilder

Verzonden: zondag 11 december 2005 2:39

Aan:

Onderwerp: [ ] Newbie

a wrote:

>

> Try it for a while, doing without sugar and white stuff (flour,

pasta's, rice and all, and switch to all bran products). It good for

your health any way!

==>Dearest a. You were so understanding with Theresa, and it

seems like you want to help and have a lot of understanding. That's

wonderful. We're so glad you're with us.

==>At the same please do read my article and the files before posting

advices like the above. I started this group based on the principles

of giving the body what it needs to heal, and on traditional basic

good foods, with no fads or false information. Bran is definitely a

no-no on the diet. It is extremely damaging to the intestines, as

all fibre is. Please read the article on Fibre located in the

Digestion Folder and also in the Candida Diet folder to understand

all about it.

Kind regards,

Bee

P.S. Sorry, to hit you with something else, but please do trim your

messages. There are many people who only receive emails and when you

leave so much information that isn't relevant in your post they are

forced to scroll through it to get to what they want to read. Please

read the instructions in our Group Info Folder. Thanks a bunch!

>

[Guest guest]

a wrote:

>

> I'm sorry, Bee, I thought I had read it all, but I missed

something. Maybe it is because of a language problem, maybe not.

What I mean is: stop right away eating refined products and stick to

whole grains. Is that any better.

==>No problem my friend. See, members of this group agree with the

principles upon which this group is based, which is contained in my

main article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " where it states

that no grains of any kind are allowed, not even whole grains. The

article explains why.

>I did mean to give Therese support and I'm glad you understood what

I meant to do.

==>You are obviously a real sweetheart.

> I really think it is a good way to start on a limited basis for a

few days or weeks, so long as it takes to learn about it all, in

order to experience that it does work for you.

==>Yes, always start one step at a time making any changes so you and

your body do not become overwhelmed. But you shouldn't take more

than a month to completely follow the diet. You do want to get on

with it, and get rid of this beastly candida before it does any more

damage. Read the Success Stories in our Files about members of our

group that have found this candida program is the best there is!!

There is no question that you will do well on it, if you follow it

completely. I'll post a separate message from one of our long-time

members, , to give you an idea what I mean.

>

> I was interested to find out that flax seeds are a no-no, for I have

> been taking that for quite some time. I didn't know it was

damaging. In Holland this is a general advice, to take flax seeds in

combination with flax oil. But hey, there are more ways to Rome, and

probably better ways too.

>

> I do understand that this is not a regular posting circuit, but

giving support to one another, is that not what it takes too?

==>Support is definitely a very important part of what makes this

group so fabulous, as well as the good control myself and the

moderators maintain so it is a good place to be. Please understand

lots of advice from many different people is very confusing. You

don't know who to believe or what to do. You do not get that

confusion in this group.

That is because it is based on the principles and facts contained in

my article. Like the introduction says, if you do not agree with

those principles you are free to unsubscribe. Maybe it would help if

you would read the Group Info sent to you when you joined, or go to

the Group Info Folder and read the Introduction and Group Guidelines

and Rules.

A group is only as happy as there are certain policies and guidelines

that they all follow in addition to their common goal. In this case

our common goal is to get rid of candida overgrowth and be able to

maintain health throughout life.

>

> Thank you for all your effort, Bee!

==>You are so welcome a. This candida program works, where many

others have failed. Education is very important to your success as

well. Please do read and study the information. If you have to use a

dictionary to look up some words, please do. If you go past a word

you do not understand it will cause problems. If you need my help in

re-wording anything please let me know. Myself or the moderators

would be very happy to help you.

Warm regards,

Bee

P.S. a, were you able to find out how to trim your messages

yet? You are sending so much extra information with your messages

which causes people who receive emails difficulties. Thanks in

advance.

[Guest guest]

Hi Newbie,

Before having any surgery, make sure you know your Dr. history, talk to

other patients.

I had surgery and it left in worst shape than I went in. I had two disc

done, L4, L5. I went back to my 9 day follow up, and the next day I called for

pain pills and the Dr. was gone from the hospital and clinic because of too

many law suits. I would have been one, if I knew where the S.O.B. went.

I never went back to work, and my surgery was in 85.

Do your homework before letting anyone touch you, and get a second Dr. to

look at you before anything else. I sure wish I had.

Prayers and thoughts go your way.

Hoolihanma

[Guest guest]

Thanks. So far, I'm not sure that this forum is for me,

since I actually haven't seen a lot of support going on.

I've got 6 severely herniated discs in the lumbar area that

are pinching the sciatic nerve and I'm losing strength in

my legs quickly. I have had 3 other doctors tell me I need

surgery on those discs in the past, but this is the first

one that I actually trust to do it. He is doing some

fusion in there, but how much depends on how many discs he

needs to remove.

Thanks,

Rechelle

[Guest guest]

Rechelle, I also was losing my ability to walk and I

had to make a choice to either have the surgery or to

be paralyzed. I opted for the surgery despite the fact

of my husbands failed back surgeries. So far their is

great improvement. Sure , there is still pain but I

hear that the surgury Ive had could take a year or

more to repair. I wanted to stay mobile so I made the

choice. I hope you find the forum that you are looking

for. This was the only one I could find so far. You

are in my prayers. Eileen

--- Rechelle Blair <rechelle1974@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Thanks. So far, I'm not sure that this forum is for

me,

since I actually haven't seen a lot of support going

on.

I've got 6 severely herniated discs in the lumbar area

that

are pinching the sciatic nerve and I'm losing strength

in

my legs quickly. I have had 3 other doctors tell me I

need

surgery on those discs in the past, but this is the

first

one that I actually trust to do it. He is doing some

fusion in there, but how much depends on how many

discs he

needs to remove.

Thanks,

Rechelle

[Guest guest]

Welcome .

I am 36 and dx with RA at the age of 3 - so I KNOW what ya mean about it

being a hard disease to live with. I do NOT remember ever NOT hvaing RA. I

have

it in most all of my body - artificial knucles on both hands- right ankle

fused 1986 (my SENIOR yr of high school) -and currently in healing process from

having left ankle fused. I will eventually have to have both knees and both

hips replaced - I am holding out as lon as possible.

This is a WONDERFUL group of people who are there -have been there and WILL

BE here for you.

I am on Prednisone (2 mg /day) and Celebrex (400 mg/day) as well as a

supplement called Gluchosamine Chondrotin (it has worked wonders for me).

My husband of 16 yrs (17 in April) Greg and our 5 year old daughter Destiny

live in Alabama.

Again welcome.

love, prayers and blessings,

(poly)

wife to Greg 16 years

Mommy to Destiny 5

[Guest guest]

Hello !

It's always nice to meet a fellow Texan! There are a lot of people on this

list that are adults with jra. My daughter is 8 and was diagnosed at 5. We

live in Round Rock. What part of Texas are you from? We are origanally from

Burleson, south of Fort Worth, home of son. (sadly, it's my only

closest thing to fame!)

Summer-Colten 11, Gabi 8, poly, 7

showingchristslove <TXcowgirl4God@...> wrote:

I just joined the group.. and just wanted to say hi and give you a lil

info about me. I'm a 22 yr old lady from Texas that was diagnosed with

JRA at the age of 10. It's a hard disease to live with.. but God has

brought me through SO much! He is the ONLY way I made it through my

childhood!! I know what it's like to have your classmates not

understand why your " different " . Kids can be very mean! Now dealing

with it as an adult, it's a little better, but you still get some of

the same stuff, but like I said.. God gets me through it all! If you

have any questions.. feel free to ask!

~God Bless~

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply! it's hard having this, but I'm glad to see

that some of you have children even though you have it. Gives me

hope!! I don't have any artificial joints yet, but my knee is giveing

me some problems.. they are thinkin about doin it. They have drained

it twice, and it just keeps it up. My left wrist is frozen, and two

on my knuckles (sorry can't spell) are just aobut there too on my

left hand.

~God Bless~

>

> Welcome .

> I am 36 and dx with RA at the age of 3 - so I KNOW what ya mean

about it

> being a hard disease to live with. I do NOT remember ever NOT

hvaing RA. I have

> it in most all of my body - artificial knucles on both hands- right

ankle

> fused 1986 (my SENIOR yr of high school) -and currently in healing

process from

> having left ankle fused. I will eventually have to have both knees

and both

> hips replaced - I am holding out as lon as possible.

> This is a WONDERFUL group of people who are there -have been there

and WILL

> BE here for you.

> I am on Prednisone (2 mg /day) and Celebrex (400 mg/day) as well as

a

> supplement called Gluchosamine Chondrotin (it has worked wonders

for me).

> My husband of 16 yrs (17 in April) Greg and our 5 year old daughter

Destiny

> live in Alabama.

> Again welcome.

>

>

>

>

>

> love, prayers and blessings,

> (poly)

> wife to Greg 16 years

> Mommy to Destiny 5

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm living in North Richland hills, around the HEB area kinda...

north of cowtown by about 20-25 mins. Glad to find another texan on

here too!

~God Bless~

> I just joined the group.. and just wanted to say hi and give you

a lil

> info about me. I'm a 22 yr old lady from Texas that was diagnosed

with

> JRA at the age of 10. It's a hard disease to live with.. but God

has

> brought me through SO much! He is the ONLY way I made it through

my

> childhood!! I know what it's like to have your classmates not

> understand why your " different " . Kids can be very mean! Now

dealing

> with it as an adult, it's a little better, but you still get some

of

> the same stuff, but like I said.. God gets me through it all! If

you

> have any questions.. feel free to ask!

>

> ~God Bless~

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Edie,

You wrote:

> ... I, however, am finding that Synthroid is doing nothing for me

> yet. Of course, some of that could be because the doctor started me out on

> a baby dose of .025 mg. But from what I've read here, I understand that

> Synthroid probably won't alleviate any of my symptoms like depression,

> migraines, cold sensitivity, etc. ...

To the contrary, synthetic T4 is quite satisfactory to the vast majority

of people with hypoT. That is one reason why doctors do not seem to

handle the exceptions very well; it's precisely because they are

exceptions.

The only way to find out is to try it. As you seem to be aware, 25 mcg.

is NOT really trying anything. You probably need about ten times that

amount. Why has your doctor not increased the dose? What tests have you

done? Please be sure to include lab ranges.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Edie- taking a supplement to keep the suicidal thoughts out of your head scares

me. Please contact a doctor for anti-depressants. I know some people will tell

you that armour is a magic pill and will cure this too... but for most it takes

some time and for me it did not at all. Anti-dep meds are not great, but they do

get you over the hurtle in life sometimes, and if you've had those thoughts, you

need to get some help now. I take synthroid and Lexapro. Supplemts are super

important too, but you can read as many different opinions on those as you can

hit websites. Read Shomans book and check out the section on vitamins. Or,

go on line to her site. I mostly like my Iron, CoQ10, magnesium, C, D, and

multi's... but I take a whole handful of others too. Good luck to you. NOTE:

There is NO magic pill. Every person is different. BUT you have to keep

trying. (Call your doctor for a new prescription. There are many you can try to

get you thru the hard parts of depression, then you can work on the thyroid.

Eventually, you can get back off them possibly, too. )

Newbie

I'm new to this group. My name is Edie (pronounced ee-dee) and I was just

diagnosed hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I suspect I've been hypo

since around 1999. My symptoms got bad in 2002 with depression setting in,

but this past year the depression has gotten really, really bad.

From what I've read thus far, I imagine I need to ask my doctor for Armour

in order to alleviate some of my symptoms? My oldest son (17 yrs) was

diagnosed with Graves in 2003 and had surgery in June of that year to remove

his thyroid. He has since been stable on 50 mg of Synthroid with no

complaints. I, however, am finding that Synthroid is doing nothing for me

yet. Of course, some of that could be because the doctor started me out on

a baby dose of .025 mg. But from what I've read here, I understand that

Synthroid probably won't alleviate any of my symptoms like depression,

migraines, cold sensitivity, etc. My doctor prescribed Trazadone also (for

sleep and depression) which worked wonderfully for about the first month.

Now, it does nothing for me.

I also started taking Selenium because I read that any hypo patient should

be taking that. How much Selenium should I take? Can you tell me what

other types of supplements any of you take and for what? How much do you

take? Although my doctor told me to stop taking St. 's Wort, I started

taking it again after the Trazadone quit working just so I could keep the

suicidal thoughts out of my head.

Any assistance in understanding this disease and my recovery/maintenance

would be greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Also, I want to add that Chuck is right... that dose of synthroid is really low.

I'd die on that dose! Im on 200... but Ive had radiation and no function left.

so, you'll be different.

Newbie

I'm new to this group. My name is Edie (pronounced ee-dee) and I was just

diagnosed hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I suspect I've been hypo

since around 1999. My symptoms got bad in 2002 with depression setting in,

but this past year the depression has gotten really, really bad.

From what I've read thus far, I imagine I need to ask my doctor for Armour

in order to alleviate some of my symptoms? My oldest son (17 yrs) was

diagnosed with Graves in 2003 and had surgery in June of that year to remove

his thyroid. He has since been stable on 50 mg of Synthroid with no

complaints. I, however, am finding that Synthroid is doing nothing for me

yet. Of course, some of that could be because the doctor started me out on

a baby dose of .025 mg. But from what I've read here, I understand that

Synthroid probably won't alleviate any of my symptoms like depression,

migraines, cold sensitivity, etc. My doctor prescribed Trazadone also (for

sleep and depression) which worked wonderfully for about the first month.

Now, it does nothing for me.

I also started taking Selenium because I read that any hypo patient should

be taking that. How much Selenium should I take? Can you tell me what

other types of supplements any of you take and for what? How much do you

take? Although my doctor told me to stop taking St. 's Wort, I started

taking it again after the Trazadone quit working just so I could keep the

suicidal thoughts out of my head.

Any assistance in understanding this disease and my recovery/maintenance

would be greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Edie - I also had suicidal thoughts and taking enough T3 stopped my

depression . You have to take ENOUGH of it - it took me quite large

doses of T3 to get rid of depression and it was almost entirely

accidental - in months of internet searching I came up with one lone

article on the experimental use of T3 with bi-polar patients. So in

desperation I tried it - and it worked.

Of course I can't say it would work for everyone but I had tried

antidepressants and they made me very sick and didn't even help the

depression.

Synthroid in small doses can be more dangerous than none at all....my

doc started me on 50mcg and within 2 weeks I was a mess - very

depressed - my body needed so much hormone that 50 mcg was a jreally bad

joke. I now take 200 mcg of T4 and 60 of T3.

If you have severe symptoms especially depression don't fool around

with small doses of synthroid......get yourself some armour and get your

dose titrated up as soon as possible.

I take 200mcg of Selenium per day. As well as iodine drops.

Why did your doc tell you to stop St 's Wort? Also for depression

look up info on 5HTP, tyrosine, B3. I take Melatonin at night to help my

sleep and it also is very helpful for moods.

You may also need to check your sex hormones - maybe you are low on

testosterone or progesterone.

All these deficiencies can cause depression - anti-depressants will just

cover up the symptoms (if you're one of the lucky ones) and leave the

problem in place only to surface again later with more health problems.

Regards,

Kerry

Newbie

I'm new to this group. My name is Edie (pronounced ee-dee) and I was

just diagnosed hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I suspect I've been

hypo since around 1999. My symptoms got bad in 2002 with depression

setting in, but this past year the depression has gotten really, really

bad.

>From what I've read thus far, I imagine I need to ask my doctor for

>Armour

in order to alleviate some of my symptoms? My oldest son (17 yrs) was

diagnosed with Graves in 2003 and had surgery in June of that year to

remove his thyroid. He has since been stable on 50 mg of Synthroid with

no complaints. I, however, am finding that Synthroid is doing nothing

for me yet. Of course, some of that could be because the doctor started

me out on a baby dose of .025 mg. But from what I've read here, I

understand that Synthroid probably won't alleviate any of my symptoms

like depression, migraines, cold sensitivity, etc. My doctor prescribed

Trazadone also (for sleep and depression) which worked wonderfully for

about the first month. Now, it does nothing for me.

I also started taking Selenium because I read that any hypo patient

should be taking that. How much Selenium should I take? Can you tell

me what other types of supplements any of you take and for what? How

much do you take? Although my doctor told me to stop taking St. 's

Wort, I started taking it again after the Trazadone quit working just so

I could keep the suicidal thoughts out of my head.

Any assistance in understanding this disease and my recovery/maintenance

would be greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

OMG I completely disagree.

If you are on $inthroid then you will have to take lexapro, but Armour,

cortef and DHEA are much better choices. Do you wanna be well. or fill big

pharma's coffers?

Gracia

> Edie- taking a supplement to keep the suicidal thoughts out of your head

> scares me. Please contact a doctor for anti-depressants. I know some

> people will tell you that armour is a magic pill and will cure this too...

> but for most it takes some time and for me it did not at all. Anti-dep

> meds are not great, but they do get you over the hurtle in life sometimes,

> and if you've had those thoughts, you need to get some help now. I take

> synthroid and Lexapro. Supplemts are super important too, but you can read

> as many different opinions on those as you can hit websites. Read

> Shomans book and check out the section on vitamins. Or, go on line to her

> site. I mostly like my Iron, CoQ10, magnesium, C, D, and multi's... but I

> take a whole handful of others too. Good luck to you. NOTE: There is NO

> magic pill. Every person is different. BUT you have to keep trying.

> (Call your doctor for a new prescription. There are many you can try to

> get you thru the hard parts of depression, then you can work on the

> thyroid. Eventually, you can get back off them possibly, too. )

>

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[Guest guest]

If ANYONE is saying they are suicidal.... and you say try dinking around with

doses of Armour, that is crazy! If anyone says they are suicidal you do not play

around with that!!! Antidepressants could save a life. Take them forever? No

way! I agree that correct doses of thyroid hormone will be the answer... but we

ALL KNOW that takes a while to get to. What, someone is supposed to WAIT if they

are having thoughts? You guys need to reevaluate what you are advising people.

This scares me. Im no expert either, I know. BUT wait and see IS WRONG.

Re: Newbie

OMG I completely disagree.

If you are on $inthroid then you will have to take lexapro, but Armour,

cortef and DHEA are much better choices. Do you wanna be well. or fill big

pharma's coffers?

Gracia

> Edie- taking a supplement to keep the suicidal thoughts out of your head

> scares me. Please contact a doctor for anti-depressants. I know some

> people will tell you that armour is a magic pill and will cure this too...

> but for most it takes some time and for me it did not at all. Anti-dep

> meds are not great, but they do get you over the hurtle in life sometimes,

> and if you've had those thoughts, you need to get some help now. I take

> synthroid and Lexapro. Supplemts are super important too, but you can read

> as many different opinions on those as you can hit websites. Read

> Shomans book and check out the section on vitamins. Or, go on line to her

> site. I mostly like my Iron, CoQ10, magnesium, C, D, and multi's... but I

> take a whole handful of others too. Good luck to you. NOTE: There is NO

> magic pill. Every person is different. BUT you have to keep trying.

> (Call your doctor for a new prescription. There are many you can try to

> get you thru the hard parts of depression, then you can work on the

> thyroid. Eventually, you can get back off them possibly, too. )

>

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[Guest guest]

Sorry if you are offended but there is no proof whatsoever that

antidepressants stop people from suiciding. And as someone who was

desperate and depressed and for whom drugs just made things worse - what

do you expect me to say?

can't with any conscience send someone of to get a script thinking

this will solve their problems. Depression is a very tricky animal -

there is a biochemical component and an emotional component - both must

be addressed. If I missed anything with Edie's letter it was to ask her

if she needs help with her emotional life. Being suicidal and thinking

suicidal thoughts are two entirely different things. Are you aware of

this?

This is just a forum - advice given is just that given with the best

intentions from our own personal experience.

BTW it took me THREE WEEKS to get rid of a deep depression that had

plagued me for many years including time spent on drugs with zero relief

- if you call that dinking around then you are welcome to your opinion.

For me I am just grateful.

Kerry

Re: Newbie

If ANYONE is saying they are suicidal.... and you say try dinking around

with doses of Armour, that is crazy! If anyone says they are suicidal

you do not play around with that!!! Antidepressants could save a life.

Take them forever? No way! I agree that correct doses of thyroid hormone

will be the answer... but we ALL KNOW that takes a while to get to.

What, someone is supposed to WAIT if they are having thoughts? You guys

need to reevaluate what you are advising people. This scares me. Im no

expert either, I know. BUT wait and see IS WRONG.

Re: Newbie

OMG I completely disagree.

If you are on $inthroid then you will have to take lexapro, but

Armour,

cortef and DHEA are much better choices. Do you wanna be well. or

fill big

pharma's coffers?

Gracia

> Edie- taking a supplement to keep the suicidal thoughts out of your

head

> scares me. Please contact a doctor for anti-depressants. I know some

> people will tell you that armour is a magic pill and will cure this

too...

> but for most it takes some time and for me it did not at all.

Anti-dep

> meds are not great, but they do get you over the hurtle in life

sometimes,

> and if you've had those thoughts, you need to get some help now. I

take

> synthroid and Lexapro. Supplemts are super important too, but you

can read

> as many different opinions on those as you can hit websites. Read

> Shomans book and check out the section on vitamins. Or, go on line

to her

> site. I mostly like my Iron, CoQ10, magnesium, C, D, and multi's...

but I

> take a whole handful of others too. Good luck to you. NOTE: There

is NO

> magic pill. Every person is different. BUT you have to keep

trying.

> (Call your doctor for a new prescription. There are many you can try

to

> get you thru the hard parts of depression, then you can work on the

> thyroid. Eventually, you can get back off them possibly, too. )

>

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[Guest guest]

Edie,

I'm sorry that I missed asking you this in my last reply - when you say

suicidal thoughts - are you worried about acting on them? When I had

them I knew I wouldn't ever do it because I love my girls too much for

one and I want to live and be healthy again - if you are concerned you

should find a counsellor (I like them because they are more gentle than

shrinks) but what ever works for you that is what you should do -

Theresa is right if your thoughts are more than thoughts you need

professional help. This forum can't replace professional help but we can

certainly be here to talk to you whenever you need to get stuff out.

You know I have a daughter who was born with a serious disease and I see

you son has had illness - as mothers we find it hard when our kids are

suffering - I wouldn't be surprised if you are feeling his pain as well

as your own. I don't have the answer to this but it seems that being

aware of it does help and maybe sharing it helps too.

Take good care of yourself,

Kerry

Newbie

I'm new to this group. My name is Edie (pronounced ee-dee) and I was

just diagnosed hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I suspect I've been

hypo since around 1999. My symptoms got bad in 2002 with depression

setting in, but this past year the depression has gotten really, really

bad.

>From what I've read thus far, I imagine I need to ask my doctor for

>Armour

in order to alleviate some of my symptoms? My oldest son (17 yrs) was

diagnosed with Graves in 2003 and had surgery in June of that year to

remove his thyroid. He has since been stable on 50 mg of Synthroid with

no complaints. I, however, am finding that Synthroid is doing nothing

for me yet. Of course, some of that could be because the doctor started

me out on a baby dose of .025 mg. But from what I've read here, I

understand that Synthroid probably won't alleviate any of my symptoms

like depression, migraines, cold sensitivity, etc. My doctor prescribed

Trazadone also (for sleep and depression) which worked wonderfully for

about the first month. Now, it does nothing for me.

I also started taking Selenium because I read that any hypo patient

should be taking that. How much Selenium should I take? Can you tell

me what other types of supplements any of you take and for what? How

much do you take? Although my doctor told me to stop taking St. 's

Wort, I started taking it again after the Trazadone quit working just so

I could keep the suicidal thoughts out of my head.

Any assistance in understanding this disease and my recovery/maintenance

would be greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Thyroid meds do help alleviate depression to some extent.From prsonal

experience,my moods are much better since starting on thyroxine.But I have also

tried to completely cut out things (including people!!) from my life which

were earlier a source of sorrow.

Edie <ediemarie@...> wrote: I'm new to this group. My name is Edie

(pronounced ee-dee) and I was just

diagnosed hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I suspect I've been hypo

since around 1999. My symptoms got bad in 2002 with depression setting in,

but this past year the depression has gotten really, really bad.

From what I've read thus far, I imagine I need to ask my doctor for Armour

in order to alleviate some of my symptoms? My oldest son (17 yrs) was

diagnosed with Graves in 2003 and had surgery in June of that year to remove

his thyroid. He has since been stable on 50 mg of Synthroid with no

complaints. I, however, am finding that Synthroid is doing nothing for me

yet. Of course, some of that could be because the doctor started me out on

a baby dose of .025 mg. But from what I've read here, I understand that

Synthroid probably won't alleviate any of my symptoms like depression,

migraines, cold sensitivity, etc. My doctor prescribed Trazadone also (for

sleep and depression) which worked wonderfully for about the first month.

Now, it does nothing for me.

I also started taking Selenium because I read that any hypo patient should

be taking that. How much Selenium should I take? Can you tell me what

other types of supplements any of you take and for what? How much do you

take? Although my doctor told me to stop taking St. 's Wort, I started

taking it again after the Trazadone quit working just so I could keep the

suicidal thoughts out of my head.

Any assistance in understanding this disease and my recovery/maintenance

would be greatly appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the replies and the concern for my well being. Yes,

suicidal thoughts, but no to acting on them. As soon as I started feeling

that way, I was on the phone to my doctor's office. She told me to take

more Trazadone. I had been taking 100 mg and she raised it to 150 mg.

After a few days and that not really helping much, I called her again. She

said she was going to refer me to mental health for a different

anti-depressant. So far, I haven't heard anything on the referral, but

haven't really followed up on it since I went back to St. 's Wort and am

feeling better than I did when I called her. I like to consider myself an

intelligent and rational woman, so I would definitely call someone or go to

a hospital before acting upon such thoughts.

In 1999, my lab results were:

T Uptake 33.7 (24.3-39.0)

T4 Thyroxine 6.9 (4.5-12.0)

FTI 2.3 (1.5-3.8)

TSH 8.1 (0.4-5.5)

Also, CO2 was low at 22 (ref 23-30). And my LDL to HDL cholesterol ratios

were low even though my cholesterol was within normal range.

At that time, the doctor did nothing. She never even told me my lab results

-- never mentioned that my TSH was high. The stupid part is that the reason

I went to see her was because I wasn't feeling right. I was complaining of

fatigue and weight gain. I told her that diabetes ran in my family (my

father and both his parents) and asked her if I could be checked for that.

She said she would plus she would check my thyroid. I don't understand why

she didn't put two and two together to come up with weight gain and fatigue

and high TSH. She simply told me that everything was okay. I'm assuming

she may have done that since the Uptake and T4 were fine. So what is FTI?

I notice there wasn't any result for T3, so is FTI possibly related to that?

This past year the weight gain, fatigue, cold insensitivity, depression,

etc. have all been getting considerably worse. I started looking for

answers as to why I was feeling this way. I signed up for a medical study

relating to PMS and PMDD thinking that was part of my problem. That's when

they did labs on me, and my TSH was 14.3. I've no idea what my T3 or T4

results are since that wasn't done at the time. I am due to have labs drawn

in two more days.

If my TSH is still high, I'm assuming that the doctor will bump me from .025

up to .050. Then I'll have to be that way for another 8 weeks before she'll

raise it again. I asked her about raising it more quickly, but she said she

couldn't do that.

I know that it'll probably be recommended that I find a different doctor. I

can't. I'm a disabled veteran with no insurance, so I have to be seen at

the VA hospital. And because I'm a woman, I have to be seen at the women's

clinic where there isn't really a doctor, but a nurse practitioner. What

I'm hoping to do is bombard her with literature or something to show her

that I need a larger dose or possibly a different medication. Anybody out

there have any success with trying something like that? Anybody out there

have any literature you could share with me so I can pass it on to her?

[Guest guest]

FTI stands for Free Thyroxine Index.It is obtained by multiplying the (Total

T4) times (T3 Uptake) to obtain an index.FTI is elevated in hyperthyroidism

and depressed in hypothyroidism.

T3 is metabolically a more active form of thyroid hormone.Your body converts

T4 to T3 which is then used at the cellular level.T3 is mostly bound to plasma

proteins, and the remainder (FT3) is unbound.

It would seem your were not tested for Free t3 .Some HypoT ppl have

difficulty converting T4 to T3 and hence need T3 supplements in addition to the

T4 (Thyroxine).You should get tested for Free t3 levels to be sure on this.

In your labs the TSH is elevated even though the T4 is within normal

range.This could mean a T4 to T3 conversion problem.But you must discuss with

your doc and get tested to be sure.

Also,TSH alone is not an accurate indicator.You must insist on getting tested

for Free T3,T4 and TSH.If possible,get tested for " Anti thyroid antibodies "

..This will tell you the cause for your HypoT.

Edie <ediemarie@...> wrote: Thank you for all the replies and the

concern for my well being. Yes,

suicidal thoughts, but no to acting on them. As soon as I started feeling

that way, I was on the phone to my doctor's office. She told me to take

more Trazadone. I had been taking 100 mg and she raised it to 150 mg.

After a few days and that not really helping much, I called her again. She

said she was going to refer me to mental health for a different

anti-depressant. So far, I haven't heard anything on the referral, but

haven't really followed up on it since I went back to St. 's Wort and am

feeling better than I did when I called her. I like to consider myself an

intelligent and rational woman, so I would definitely call someone or go to

a hospital before acting upon such thoughts.

In 1999, my lab results were:

T Uptake 33.7 (24.3-39.0)

T4 Thyroxine 6.9 (4.5-12.0)

FTI 2.3 (1.5-3.8)

TSH 8.1 (0.4-5.5)

Also, CO2 was low at 22 (ref 23-30). And my LDL to HDL cholesterol ratios

were low even though my cholesterol was within normal range.

At that time, the doctor did nothing. She never even told me my lab results

-- never mentioned that my TSH was high. The stupid part is that the reason

I went to see her was because I wasn't feeling right. I was complaining of

fatigue and weight gain. I told her that diabetes ran in my family (my

father and both his parents) and asked her if I could be checked for that.

She said she would plus she would check my thyroid. I don't understand why

she didn't put two and two together to come up with weight gain and fatigue

and high TSH. She simply told me that everything was okay. I'm assuming

she may have done that since the Uptake and T4 were fine. So what is FTI?

I notice there wasn't any result for T3, so is FTI possibly related to that?

This past year the weight gain, fatigue, cold insensitivity, depression,

etc. have all been getting considerably worse. I started looking for

answers as to why I was feeling this way. I signed up for a medical study

relating to PMS and PMDD thinking that was part of my problem. That's when

they did labs on me, and my TSH was 14.3. I've no idea what my T3 or T4

results are since that wasn't done at the time. I am due to have labs drawn

in two more days.

If my TSH is still high, I'm assuming that the doctor will bump me from .025

up to .050. Then I'll have to be that way for another 8 weeks before she'll

raise it again. I asked her about raising it more quickly, but she said she

couldn't do that.

I know that it'll probably be recommended that I find a different doctor. I

can't. I'm a disabled veteran with no insurance, so I have to be seen at

the VA hospital. And because I'm a woman, I have to be seen at the women's

clinic where there isn't really a doctor, but a nurse practitioner. What

I'm hoping to do is bombard her with literature or something to show her

that I need a larger dose or possibly a different medication. Anybody out

there have any success with trying something like that? Anybody out there

have any literature you could share with me so I can pass it on to her?

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[Guest guest]

This is really outrageous. If you do a little reading you will realize you

have a lawsuit, but I don't know if you can sue the VA. You have gotten

absolutely negligent care, even by conventional standards. Increasing the

T4 med to 50mcg will do nothing. I urge you to order thyroid meds (Armour)

over the internet. You must understand that the doc has no clue what she

is doing, and she is endangering your life. Confront her, complain, report

to state board, whatever you can, so others aren't hurt. At this point you

desperately need proper care, I would not bother to educate the doc, she's

an absolute idiot.

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

httP://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Gracia

Thank you for all the replies and the concern for my well being. Yes,

suicidal thoughts, but no to acting on them. As soon as I started feeling

that way, I was on the phone to my doctor's office. She told me to take

more Trazadone. I had been taking 100 mg and she raised it to 150 mg.

After a few days and that not really helping much, I called her again. She

said she was going to refer me to mental health for a different

anti-depressant. So far, I haven't heard anything on the referral, but

haven't really followed up on it since I went back to St. 's Wort and am

feeling better than I did when I called her. I like to consider myself an

intelligent and rational woman, so I would definitely call someone or go to

a hospital before acting upon such thoughts.

In 1999, my lab results were:

T Uptake 33.7 (24.3-39.0)

T4 Thyroxine 6.9 (4.5-12.0)

FTI 2.3 (1.5-3.8)

TSH 8.1 (0.4-5.5)

Also, CO2 was low at 22 (ref 23-30). And my LDL to HDL cholesterol ratios

were low even though my cholesterol was within normal range.

At that time, the doctor did nothing. She never even told me my lab results

-- never mentioned that my TSH was high. The stupid part is that the reason

I went to see her was because I wasn't feeling right. I was complaining of

fatigue and weight gain. I told her that diabetes ran in my family (my

father and both his parents) and asked her if I could be checked for that.

She said she would plus she would check my thyroid. I don't understand why

she didn't put two and two together to come up with weight gain and fatigue

and high TSH. She simply told me that everything was okay. I'm assuming

she may have done that since the Uptake and T4 were fine. So what is FTI?

I notice there wasn't any result for T3, so is FTI possibly related to that?

This past year the weight gain, fatigue, cold insensitivity, depression,

etc. have all been getting considerably worse. I started looking for

answers as to why I was feeling this way. I signed up for a medical study

relating to PMS and PMDD thinking that was part of my problem. That's when

they did labs on me, and my TSH was 14.3. I've no idea what my T3 or T4

results are since that wasn't done at the time. I am due to have labs drawn

in two more days.

If my TSH is still high, I'm assuming that the doctor will bump me from .025

up to .050. Then I'll have to be that way for another 8 weeks before she'll

raise it again. I asked her about raising it more quickly, but she said she

couldn't do that.

I know that it'll probably be recommended that I find a different doctor. I

can't. I'm a disabled veteran with no insurance, so I have to be seen at

the VA hospital. And because I'm a woman, I have to be seen at the women's

clinic where there isn't really a doctor, but a nurse practitioner. What

I'm hoping to do is bombard her with literature or something to show her

that I need a larger dose or possibly a different medication. Anybody out

there have any success with trying something like that? Anybody out there

have any literature you could share with me so I can pass it on to her?

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[Guest guest]

The doctor I saw in 1999 is not the same one treating me now. I was on

active duty in 1999 and stationed in an area of the country where there

wasn't a military base, so I saw a civilian practitioner. She's the one who

never informed me of the high TSH level. I do believe I probably have a

malpractice suit against her, but what's the point?

I'm frustrated because I underwent back surgery in 2004 because of a

herniated disk that caused numbness and tingling in my legs and feet. I

also had back pain. The injury to my back occurred in 1996. I had a lot of

pain along with numbness and tingling initially, but I seemed to heal just

fine after a few months. Then around 1998 or 1999 was when the pain,

numbness and tingling came back for no reason. I now wonder if some of that

wasn't partially due to being hypo. Maybe if I had been diagnosed as hypo

and started on medication in 1999, I never would've had the back surgery. I

would also still be on active duty in the military. After my back surgery,

the pain worsened and I was medically discharged in May 2005 with 16 years

of service. I was only four years away from retirement. I can't help but

wonder if I might possibly still be on active duty and looking at a

retirement in the next few years.

[Guest guest]

Edie,

You wrote:

> ... I'm frustrated because I underwent back surgery in 2004 because of a

> herniated disk that caused numbness and tingling in my legs and feet. I

> also had back pain. ...

These are all associated with hypoT. You have our sincerest sympathy.

However, I don't know how this would fly as a malpractice suit. Having

spent the last several years dealing with an army of lawyers, I confess

to developing an aversion to all who call themselves " professionals. "

Chuck

[Guest guest]

What usually happens is that when someone FINALLY gives you some treatment,

you will get lots of blood tests and a tiny bit of synthetic T4 med. That

is b/c drug companies educate docs. Many of us think this is horse puckey,

so read up a bit. Look at http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

http://www.optimox.com

Glad you found your way here and you will be fine.

gracia

p.s. specialists and endos don't usually make the best docs. They are T4/TSH

people.

Hi guys. Thanks for having this group on here and thank you for

allowing my membership. It is a blessing finding you guys on here.

My name is Cherish. I am a mom to four boys (10,8,6,4). I am 31 years

old and a month ago diagnosed hypothyroidism.

I am waiting on my specialist appt at University of Washington with

their Endocrinology Center. Finally got a call yesterday that I will

be seen June 29. Is this typical of the wait after diagnosis to get

treated?

My doc has not put me on any meds yet. I am not certain if it is

because he doesn't know what to do or if it is because it is Community

Health.

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[Guest guest]

Cherish,

I would suggest you call the doctor who has seen you and ask for a

prescription on the basis of the TSH until you can be seen by your

specialist. The sooner you get started on your titration dosage the

sooner you will start to feel better. This could take six weeks anyway.

Chuck